【求助】被ebates黑掉了上千,求招

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xiaoerlang
楼主 (未名空间)
RT,黑掉了上千。完全是正确的方式网上下单的。之前一年多都没问题。

结果ebates就说不会给cashback,问理由就说商家没有给commission,明显就是瞎扯淡。之前用了一年多都好好的,就这一批的90%的单都给黑了。

求问怎么解决?现在想的是先等这一期的cashback拿到手后上小额法庭。但是下的单太多会不会给自己引火上身(没有身份)。或者有什么其他方法么?

谢谢!
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mmqing
2 楼
周期不是三个月吗?你三个月搞了上千?
【 在 xiaoerlang (小二郎) 的大作中提到: 】
RT,黑掉了上千。完全是正确的方式网上下单的。之前一年多都没问题。
结果ebates就说不会给cashback,问理由就说商家没有给commission,明显就是瞎扯淡
。之前用了一年多都好好的,就这一批的90%的单都给黑了。
求问怎么解决?现在想的是先等这一期的cashback拿到手后上小额法庭。但是下的单太
多会不会给自己引火上身(没有身份)。或者有什么其他方法么?
谢谢!
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xiaoerlang
3 楼
是的,被黑了太多,不甘心
【 在 mmqing (david) 的大作中提到: 】
周期不是三个月吗?你三个月搞了上千?
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owenxguo
4 楼
我去年thxgiving一个月搞了800,所以三个月上千感觉没啥难度,但是商家没给
commission是他们的问题,凭啥不给你。
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gomakeitreal
5 楼
you may need to read the terms and conditions.
if it says they will only pay after they get commission, it is legal that
they don't pay you.

i don't think we can force them to pay us if they do not get commission.
they can also forfeit their commission for whatever reason, and under that
situation, it is legal for them not to pay you, b/c they gets no commission.
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xiaoerlang
6 楼
谢谢回复。
但是我下单的完全符合拿cashback的条件。而且之前都好好的,就这一批基本上都黑掉。我觉得他们说的没有拿到commission的理由完全只是为了应付一下。他们怎么证明他们真的没有收到commission额?
【 在 gomakeitreal (benben) 的大作中提到: 】
you may need to read the terms and conditions.
if it says they will only pay after they get commission, it is legal that : they don't pay you.
i don't think we can force them to pay us if they do not get commission.
they can also forfeit their commission for whatever reason, and under that
situation, it is legal for them not to pay you, b/c they gets no
commission.
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Skyriverrr
7 楼
一个猜想。

如果 ebates 真的没从商家那拿回 commission,可能的原因是商家认为你的购买模式
有 Reselling 的嫌疑,所以拒绝 payout。

一个例子,之前有某个英文博客因为 amazon affiliated links 的流量太大,被
amazon 怀疑,然后就没有 payout,并且撤回了该博客的 affiliated links 的资格
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xiaoerlang
8 楼
恩,但是他们的条款并没有说reseller不能用,而且他们也没办法证明是reselling哈。
那你觉得我应该怎么做呢?谢谢
【 在 Skyriverrr (Skyriv3r) 的大作中提到: 】
一个猜想。
如果 ebates 真的没从商家那拿回 commission,可能的原因是商家认为你的购买模式
有 Reselling 的嫌疑,所以拒绝 payout。
一个例子,之前有某个英文博客因为 amazon affiliated links 的流量太大,被
amazon 怀疑,然后就没有 payout,并且撤回了该博客的 affiliated links 的资格
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Skyriverrr
9 楼
我也没有这方面的经验,刚才去读了一下 T&C,把相关的信息给你粘一下。

“The determination of whether or not a purchase made through an Ebates
Affiliate Store qualifies for Cash Back is at the sole discretion of Ebates. If an Affiliate Store fails to report a transaction to Ebates or withholds payment to Ebates for any reason, Ebates reserves the right to cancel the
Cash Back associated with that transaction. If Ebates has any reason to
suspect fraudulent activity is associated with your account, Ebates reserves the right to delay or withhold payment of Cash Back.”

是不是可以进一步问Ebates,商家是以什么理由不付 commission。当然这是假设
Ebates 不是故意赖账。

Ebates 鸡贼的地方在于:“Should you disagree with any adjustments made to
your account or payments made to you, your sole remedy is to withdraw from
the Program“..."Member agrees to indemnify and hold Ebates, harmless from
any claim or demand, including reasonable attorney's fees, made by any party due to or arising out of Member's use of the Program"

但是呢,Ebates 的这种免责声明在法庭上是不是站得住脚,楼主还是咨询一下专业人
士比较保险。
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michelin
10 楼
哪个网站,很多网站都不会给大单 cashback的,ralph lauren明确写清楚了一单多少,
一年多少 就算resell
【 在 xiaoerlang (小二郎) 的大作中提到: 】
谢谢回复。
但是我下单的完全符合拿cashback的条件。而且之前都好好的,就这一批基本上都黑掉。我觉得他们说的没有拿到commission的理由完全只是为了应付一下。他们怎么证明他们真的没有收到commission额?
【 在 gomakeitreal (benben) 的大作中提到: 】
you may need to read the terms and conditions.
if it says they will only pay after they get commission, it is legal that : they don't pay you.
i don't think we can force them to pay us if they do not get commission.
they can also forfeit their commission for whatever reason, and under that
situation, it is legal for them not to pay you, b/c they gets no
commission.
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utran
11 楼
一看就是reseller,谁家能买这么多,我每年不到100
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gomakeitreal
12 楼
ebate is pretty big. they don't need to lie. could be the operation side
with the vendor ran into issue that data is not passed back correctly, or
data missed, or whatever IT issue or the vendor agreement issue, which may
have nothing to do with you.

i don't think they are obligated to explain to you why they did not get
commission, even if you call them. -- it could be some even machine
learning model that decides you are reseller. they don't need to prove it to you. this is not like consumer lending where they are regulated that much
and had to explain the denial of credit. it might be totally up to their own interpretation.

of course, if you can get the court to issue subpoena, they probably would. but most people here will not spend the effort.
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zzxmm2
13 楼
现在有很多portal的,以后买东西可以分散开来,每家各攒几百,不那么容易被注意
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newmj
14 楼
继续和cs磨呗
我每三个月也就10——50左右
我自己都懒的查,总是某一天收到paypal通知说恭喜你,ebates给你送钱了,呵呵
【 在 xiaoerlang (小二郎) 的大作中提到: 】
RT,黑掉了上千。完全是正确的方式网上下单的。之前一年多都没问题。
结果ebates就说不会给cashback,问理由就说商家没有给commission,明显就是瞎扯淡
。之前用了一年多都好好的,就这一批的90%的单都给黑了。
求问怎么解决?现在想的是先等这一期的cashback拿到手后上小额法庭。但是下的单太
多会不会给自己引火上身(没有身份)。或者有什么其他方法么?
谢谢!
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Skyriverrr
15 楼
再举一个例子,虽然可能没有什么用。。。

Ebates 上对于 Walmart的Special Terms: Cash Back is not available on orders
deemed by Walmart to be for reselling purposes.

楼主要想实际解决问题,还是咨询律师吧。继续跟 Ebates 磨,他们估计也不会退让。
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xiaoerlang
16 楼
多谢,去问问看。
我下的是kohl's,感觉ebates对这个不管,因为很久之前他们问过我是不是reselling
,也没任何问题
【 在 Skyriverrr (Skyriv3r) 的大作中提到: 】
再举一个例子,虽然可能没有什么用。。。
Ebates 上对于 Walmart的Special Terms: Cash Back is not available on orders
deemed by Walmart to be for reselling purposes.
楼主要想实际解决问题,还是咨询律师吧。继续跟 Ebates 磨,他们估计也不会退让。
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xiaoerlang
17 楼
主要是总额比较大,不甘心
【 在 newmj (心想事成~~) 的大作中提到: 】
继续和cs磨呗
我每三个月也就10——50左右
我自己都懒的查,总是某一天收到paypal通知说恭喜你,ebates给你送钱了,呵呵
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xiaoerlang
18 楼
之前觉得ebates最靠谱,之前从来没出过问题。
【 在 zzxmm2 (TQQQ) 的大作中提到: 】
现在有很多portal的,以后买东西可以分散开来,每家各攒几百,不那么容易被注意
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xiaoerlang
19 楼
多谢多谢!
【 在 gomakeitreal (benben) 的大作中提到: 】
ebate is pretty big. they don't need to lie. could be the operation side
with the vendor ran into issue that data is not passed back correctly, or : data missed, or whatever IT issue or the vendor agreement issue, which may
have nothing to do with you.
i don't think they are obligated to explain to you why they did not get
commission, even if you call them. -- it could be some even machine
learning model that decides you are reseller. they don't need to prove it to
you. this is not like consumer lending where they are regulated that much
and had to explain the denial of credit. it might be totally up to their
own
interpretation.
...................
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sunshineway
20 楼
那你当时怎么回复的?说是转手卖?可能Kohl's现在改政策不给钱了?
【 在 xiaoerlang (小二郎) 的大作中提到: 】
多谢,去问问看。
我下的是kohl's,感觉ebates对这个不管,因为很久之前他们问过我是不是
reselling
,也没任何问题
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groundzyy
21 楼
kohls也能撸那么多?上次16%的时候撸gc了?
【 在 xiaoerlang (小二郎) 的大作中提到: 】
多谢,去问问看。
我下的是kohl's,感觉ebates对这个不管,因为很久之前他们问过我是不是
reselling
,也没任何问题
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navid
22 楼
Kohls其他网站的cash back也有问题,我通过UA shopping portal 6%下了$1000多的单,就给我1 mile的返利
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xmail
23 楼
俺有段时间在eBay 多下了几单,就被怀疑是reseller, 帐号也被关了