2. social security 的政府网站也明确说了这个不是public assistance.
2. What is Considered Public Assistance As used in this section, public assistance is the use of public funds to support a needy individual or family. It must be in cash or in the form of support in a publicly funded facility. SSI payments, VA service and nonservice related disability pensions and AFDC payments are public assistance. Food stamps, State medical assistance, unemployment benefits and workers' compensation are not public assistance.
新法规显然还没有生效： Q. When does this rule go into effect? A. With the advance posting of the NPRM on its website and in the Federal Register, DHS is announcing a proposed rule, not a final rule. After DHS carefully considers public comments received on the proposed rule, DHS plans to issue a final public charge rule that will include an effective date. In the interim, and until a final rule is in effect, USCIS will continue to apply the current public charge policy (i.e., the 1999 INS Interim Field Guidance). Source: https://www.uscis.gov/legal-resources/proposed-change-public-charge-ground-inadmissibility
目前的法规： Benefits Not Subject to Public Charge Consideration
Under the agency guidance, non-cash benefits and special-purpose cash benefits that are not intended for income maintenance are not subject to public charge consideration. Such benefits include:
Medicaid and other health insurance and health services (including public assistance for immunizations and for testing and treatment of symptoms of communicable diseases, use of health clinics, short-term rehabilitation services, prenatal care and emergency medical services) other than support for long-term institutional care Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP) Nutrition programs, including the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP)- commonly referred to as Food Stamps, the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants and Children (WIC), the National School Lunch and School Breakfast Program, and other supplementary and emergency food assistance programs Source: https://www.uscis.gov/news/fact-sheets/public-charge-fact-sheet
你自己非要去扣这个字眼，英语不好还在那里扣字眼。you become a public charge/ you receive public assistance. public assistance 和 public charge 是exactly the same thing。你接受的时候就是接受assistance, 你成为的时候就是成为public charge，但说的是同一件事情。 https://www.uscis.gov/news/fact-sheets/public-charge-fact-sheet
以这个为准。今后碰到这样类似的问题的申请者放心大胆的写No. 自己英语不好的请律师帮你填。
Benefits Not Subject to Public Charge Consideration
Under the agency guidance, non-cash benefits and special-purpose cash benefits that are not intended for income maintenance are not subject to public charge consideration. Such benefits include:
Medicaid and other health insurance and health services (including public assistance for immunizations and for testing and treatment of symptoms of communicable diseases, use of health clinics, short-term rehabilitation services, prenatal care and emergency medical services) other than support for long-term institutional care Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP) Nutrition programs, including the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP)- commonly referred to as Food Stamps, the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants and Children (WIC), the National School Lunch and School Breakfast Program, and other supplementary and emergency food assistance programs Housing benefits Child care services Energy assistance, such as the Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program ( LIHEAP) Emergency disaster relief Foster care and adoption assistance Educational assistance (such as attending public school), including benefits under the Head Start Act and aid for elementary, secondary or higher education Job training programs In-kind, community-based programs, services or assistance (such as soup kitchens, crisis counseling and intervention, and short-term shelter) Non-cash benefits under TANF such as subsidized child care or transit subsidies Cash payments that have been earned, such as Title II Social Security benefits, government pensions, and veterans' benefits, and other forms of earned benefits Unemployment compensation
9年前我全职读MBA，没有奖学金。老婆陪读，生孩子用了medicate和WIC，纽约州。
首先，485上这一条必须写yes，否则直接out，这些是明确的public assistance，填no是说谎。这一项，是我们唯一的yes
近些年收入也在$400k以上，完全不会有未来申请public assistance的concern
上周四面试时，不知道是我们运气不好还是怎么说，面试官抓住这点穷追猛打。说
medicate和WIC是给公民或永久居民的，当时没有收入就不应该在美国生孩子，应该回
你自己的国家。你们当年滥用纳税人的钱, blablabla，态度不容置疑，而且很坚决。
还说你之前入关进美国的时候，没有人质疑你们么？
面试完，我老婆认为她作为副申请人肯定要被deny了，还害怕影响我的主申请。
Medicate和WIC以前都不算public charge，但现在改成public assistance了，两个都
算。
建议有此情况的，一定要打印出medicate的申请单带着，上面在申请人一条上虽然要求了公民或永久居民，但是额外有一个exception，就是孕妇，可以例外。拿出这条给面
试官看。他们有的可能不清楚这些细节。我们就低估了这一点的难度，当时没带着，后来回家查了才发现。
总的来说要有ssn，有报税才能使用medicaid。可能移民官只知道这个总体概念，不知
道细节。估计现在只能等到结论以后再dispute了。不过我有朋友之前是旅游签证用了
medicaid生孩子，入关的时候被拦住，后来把钱还清了，又进来了。给楼主参考一下
虽然已经是过去时了，会不会有律师陪同更保险一些？我不是很懂，请律师陪同面试常见吗？
你只要把钱还回去，就解决问题了。
【 在 WhateverLi (whateverli) 的大作中提到: 】
: 9年前我全职读MBA，没有奖学金。老婆陪读，生孩子用了medicate和WIC，纽约州。
: 首先，485上这一条必须写yes，否则直接out，这些是明确的public assistance，填no
: 是说谎。这一项，是我们唯一的yes
: 近些年收入也在$400k以上，完全不会有未来申请public assistance的concern
: 上周四面试时，不知道是我们运气不好还是怎么说，面试官抓住这点穷追猛打。说
: medicate和WIC是给公民或永久居民的，当时没有收入就不应该在美国生孩子，应该回
: 你自己的国家。你们当年滥用纳税人的钱, blablabla，态度不容置疑，而且很坚决。
: 面试完，我老婆认为她作为副申请人肯定要被deny了，还害怕影响我的主申请。
: 建议有此情况的，一定要打印出medicate的申请单带着，上面在申请人一条上虽然要求
: 了公民或永久居民，但是额外有一个exception，就是孕妇，可以例外。拿出这条给面
: ...................
遇到变态面试官了，但485还是有希望通过的。
USCIS网上明确写了，Medicaid 和 WIC 都不算Public Charge，USCIS没有正当理由拒
你们。https://www.uscis.gov/news/fact-sheets/public-charge-fact-sheet
有用过Medcaid和WIC的，可以把这个USCIS网页也打下来带去面试。
【 在 WhateverLi (whateverli) 的大作中提到: 】
: 9年前我全职读MBA，没有奖学金。老婆陪读，生孩子用了medicate和WIC，纽约州。
: 首先，485上这一条必须写yes，否则直接out，这些是明确的public assistance，填no
: 是说谎。这一项，是我们唯一的yes
: 近些年收入也在$400k以上，完全不会有未来申请public assistance的concern
:
: 上周四面试时，不知道是我们运气不好还是怎么说，面试官抓住这点穷追猛打。说
: medicate和WIC是给公民或永久居民的，当时没有收入就不应该在美国生孩子，应该回
: 你自己的国家。你们当年滥用纳税人的钱, blablabla，态度不容置疑，而且很坚决。
: 面试完，我老婆认为她作为副申请人肯定要被deny了，还害怕影响我的主申请。
:
: 建议有此情况的，一定要打印出medicate的申请单带着，上面在申请人一条上虽然要求
: 了公民或永久居民，但是额外有一个exception，就是孕妇，可以例外。拿出这条给面
: 试官看。他们有的可能不清楚这些细节。我们就低估了这一点的难度，当时没带着，后
: 来回家查了才发现。
带律师去的很少。我觉得带律师的话，她的口气至少会平和一点。
【 在 feifeihouzi () 的大作中提到: 】
: 虽然已经是过去时了，会不会有律师陪同更保险一些？我不是很懂，请律师陪同面试常
: 见吗？
意思是如果当时有收入，纳税，用wic就没有问题了？
【 在 WhateverLi (whateverli) 的大作中提到: 】
: 9年前我全职读MBA，没有奖学金。老婆陪读，生孩子用了medicate和WIC，纽约州。
: 首先，485上这一条必须写yes，否则直接out，这些是明确的public assistance，填no
: 是说谎。这一项，是我们唯一的yes
: 近些年收入也在$400k以上，完全不会有未来申请public assistance的concern
: 上周四面试时，不知道是我们运气不好还是怎么说，面试官抓住这点穷追猛打。说
: medicate和WIC是给公民或永久居民的，当时没有收入就不应该在美国生孩子，应该回
: 你自己的国家。你们当年滥用纳税人的钱, blablabla，态度不容置疑，而且很坚决。
: 还说你之前入关进美国的时候，没有人质疑你们么？
: 面试完，我老婆认为她作为副申请人肯定要被deny了，还害怕影响我的主申请。
: Medicate和WIC以前都不算public charge，但现在改成public assistance了，两个都
: ...................
有收入，还纳税，就over qualify了吧
【 在 josephjj (josephjj) 的大作中提到: 】
: 意思是如果当时有收入，纳税，用wic就没有问题了？
: no
LZ大意了，写YES没错，但是在现在的政治环境下，一定要集火备战这条，并且带律师
【 在 WhateverLi (whateverli) 的大作中提到: 】
: 带律师去的很少。我觉得带律师的话，她的口气至少会平和一点。
已经找到相关的证据了：
1. wic 不算是public charge， atiger已经提供了uscis的网站
2. social security 的政府网站也明确说了这个不是public assistance.
2. What is Considered Public Assistance
As used in this section, public assistance is the use of public funds to
support a needy individual or family. It must be in cash or in the form of
support in a publicly funded facility. SSI payments, VA service and
nonservice related disability pensions and AFDC payments are public
assistance. Food stamps, State medical assistance, unemployment benefits and workers' compensation are not public assistance.
既然新的规定还没有生效，不是应该填No吗？
新法规显然还没有生效：
Q. When does this rule go into effect?
A. With the advance posting of the NPRM on its website and in the Federal
Register, DHS is announcing a proposed rule, not a final rule. After DHS
carefully considers public comments received on the proposed rule, DHS plans to issue a final public charge rule that will include an effective date. In the interim, and until a final rule is in effect, USCIS will continue to
apply the current public charge policy (i.e., the 1999 INS Interim Field
Guidance).
Source: https://www.uscis.gov/legal-resources/proposed-change-public-charge-ground-inadmissibility
目前的法规：
Benefits Not Subject to Public Charge Consideration
Under the agency guidance, non-cash benefits and special-purpose cash
benefits that are not intended for income maintenance are not subject to
public charge consideration. Such benefits include:
Medicaid and other health insurance and health services (including public
assistance for immunizations and for testing and treatment of symptoms of
communicable diseases, use of health clinics, short-term rehabilitation
services, prenatal care and emergency medical services) other than support
for long-term institutional care
Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP)
Nutrition programs, including the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP)- commonly referred to as Food Stamps, the Special Supplemental
Nutrition Program for Women, Infants and Children (WIC), the National School Lunch and School Breakfast Program, and other supplementary and emergency
food assistance programs
Source: https://www.uscis.gov/news/fact-sheets/public-charge-fact-sheet
【 在 WhateverLi (whateverli) 的大作中提到: 】
: 9年前我全职读MBA，没有奖学金。老婆陪读，生孩子用了medicate和WIC，纽约州。
: 首先，485上这一条必须写yes，否则直接out，这些是明确的public assistance，填no
: 是说谎。这一项，是我们唯一的yes
: 近些年收入也在$400k以上，完全不会有未来申请public assistance的concern
: 上周四面试时，不知道是我们运气不好还是怎么说，面试官抓住这点穷追猛打。说
: medicate和WIC是给公民或永久居民的，当时没有收入就不应该在美国生孩子，应该回
: 你自己的国家。你们当年滥用纳税人的钱, blablabla，态度不容置疑，而且很坚决。
: 还说你之前入关进美国的时候，没有人质疑你们么？
: 面试完，我老婆认为她作为副申请人肯定要被deny了，还害怕影响我的主申请。
: Medicate和WIC以前都不算public charge，但现在改成public assistance了，两个都
: ...................
同在纽约，我们这个周一面试完，同样的原因填了yes
律师告诉我们只要是prenental purpose 的Medicaid 都没关系。
估计律师在场的一个好处是，如果officer 问的变态，律师可以帮忙解释
这些确实不是public charge，但是属于public assistance，后者包含的范围更广。
485表格中是去年把public charge改成public assistance的。
【 在 franklu(kevin) 的大作中提到: 】
: 既然新的规定还没有生效，不是应该填No吗？
: 新法规显然还没有生效：
: Q. When does this rule go into effect?
: A. With the advance posting of the NPRM on its website and in the
Federal
: Register, DHS is announcing a proposed rule, not a final rule. After
DHS
: carefully considers public comments received on the proposed rule, DHS plans
: to issue a final public charge rule that will include an effective
date. In
: the interim, and until a final rule is in effect, USCIS will continue to
: apply the current public charge policy (i.e., the 1999 INS Interim
Field
: Guidance).
: ...................
但是由于485有绝对自由裁决权。如果被拒了，你也没办法了。只有重交
楼主写的是假的 别上当 一个年收入40万以上的居然连Medicaid都拼写不出来？！本山喊你回家吃药了
爱信不信。
不信的，尽管把这条填no，然后什么也不用准备直接去面
【 在 ler7 (Gala) 的大作中提到: 】
: 楼主写的是假的 别上当 一个年收入40万以上的居然连Medicaid都拼写不出来？！本山
: 喊你回家吃药了
Did you get all your greed cards?
I still remember those IDs here cheering for the "interview" requirement
when dump government first rolled that out, vividly.
【 在 WhateverLi (whateverli) 的大作中提到: 】
: 爱信不信。
: 不信的，尽管把这条填no，然后什么也不用准备直接去面
一般年薪40万以上的是不会有小肚鸡肠之心去乱领福利的 有钱上mba却没钱看小病？！上了mba 年薪40万了连个Medicaid都拼写不出来？！您这位炸油锅的大爷也太搞笑了
【 在 WhateverLi (whateverli) 的大作中提到: 】
: 爱信不信。
: 不信的，尽管把这条填no，然后什么也不用准备直接去面
你时空错乱了么？读MBA是9年前，那时没收入，上学还有贷款呢。7年前毕业的时候年
薪才10万
medicaid那么多年也没用过了，谁care具体怎么拼。天天用的，自然绝对不会拼错。
40万是多还是怎么了？刺激到你了？你要是为了喷而喷，随意吧。
【 在 ler7 (Gala) 的大作中提到: 】
: 一般年薪40万以上的是不会有小肚鸡肠之心去乱领福利的 有钱上mba却没钱看小病？！
: 上了mba 年薪40万了连个Medicaid都拼写不出来？！您这位炸油锅的大爷也太搞笑了
WIC和Medicaid 假如都是给你小孩的，没有必要写上去，自找麻烦。你小孩和你是独立的个体，不要混为一谈！你是你，你小孩是你小孩。另外, USCIS 官网上说了WIC 和
小孩的Medicaid 不在考虑范围之内，你非要写上去让别人好好考虑一下。
【 在 WhateverLi(whateverli) 的大作中提到: 】
: 这些确实不是public charge，但是属于public assistance，后者包含的范围更广。
: 485表格中是去年把public charge改成public assistance的。
: Federal
: DHS
: plans
: date. In
: to
: Field
是老婆用的。我自己485这一项是no，但是我老婆这一项得填yes
谁用的谁填yes
【 在 LoveinGod (LoveinGod) 的大作中提到: 】
: WIC和Medicaid 假如都是给你小孩的，没有必要写上去，自找麻烦。你小孩和你是独立
: 的个体，不要混为一谈！你是你，你小孩是你小孩。另外, USCIS 官网上说了WIC 和
: 小孩的Medicaid 不在考虑范围之内，你非要写上去让别人好好考虑一下。
:
: 这些确实不是public charge，但是属于public assistance，后者包含的范围更
: 广。
:
: 485表格中是去年把public charge改成public assistance的。
:
: Federal
:
: DHS
:
: plans
:
: date. In
: ...................
黑户上学都可以贷款呢 果然地位跟f学生不一样啊 那用社会福利可就见怪不怪了 都10年了挣40多万的工作居然现在还没绿卡 可真是太罕见了
【 在 WhateverLi (whateverli) 的大作中提到: 】
: 你时空错乱了么？读MBA是9年前，那时没收入，上学还有贷款呢。7年前毕业的时候年
: 薪才10万
: medicaid那么多年也没用过了，谁care具体怎么拼。天天用的，自然绝对不会拼错。: 40万是多还是怎么了？刺激到你了？你要是为了喷而喷，随意吧。
你老婆是不可以用Medicaid 的， 你确定你给她申请过？只有分娩的那三天可以cover, 但是那也是算在你小孩的头上的。WIC 不就是领了几罐奶粉吗？不也是你小孩吃的吗
？你老婆怎么能用到？不管怎么样，这些都算在你小孩头上。跟你老婆关系不大。网上说的很明白，清清楚楚，WIC不在考虑范围。
【 在 WhateverLi(whateverli) 的大作中提到: 】
: 是老婆用的。我自己485这一项是no，但是我老婆这一项得填yes
: 谁用的谁填yes
你自己非要去扣这个字眼，英语不好还在那里扣字眼。you become a public charge/
you receive public assistance. public assistance 和 public charge 是exactly the same thing。你接受的时候就是接受assistance, 你成为的时候就是成为public
charge，但说的是同一件事情。
https://www.uscis.gov/news/fact-sheets/public-charge-fact-sheet
以这个为准。今后碰到这样类似的问题的申请者放心大胆的写No. 自己英语不好的请律师帮你填。
Benefits Not Subject to Public Charge Consideration
Under the agency guidance, non-cash benefits and special-purpose cash
benefits that are not intended for income maintenance are not subject to
public charge consideration. Such benefits include:
Medicaid and other health insurance and health services (including public
assistance for immunizations and for testing and treatment of symptoms of
communicable diseases, use of health clinics, short-term rehabilitation
services, prenatal care and emergency medical services) other than support
for long-term institutional care
Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP)
Nutrition programs, including the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP)- commonly referred to as Food Stamps, the Special Supplemental
Nutrition Program for Women, Infants and Children (WIC), the National School Lunch and School Breakfast Program, and other supplementary and emergency
food assistance programs
Housing benefits
Child care services
Energy assistance, such as the Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program (
LIHEAP)
Emergency disaster relief
Foster care and adoption assistance
Educational assistance (such as attending public school), including benefits under the Head Start Act and aid for elementary, secondary or higher
education
Job training programs
In-kind, community-based programs, services or assistance (such as soup
kitchens, crisis counseling and intervention, and short-term shelter)
Non-cash benefits under TANF such as subsidized child care or transit
subsidies
Cash payments that have been earned, such as Title II Social Security
benefits, government pensions, and veterans' benefits, and other forms of
earned benefits
Unemployment compensation
【 在 WhateverLi(whateverli) 的大作中提到: 】
: 这些确实不是public charge，但是属于public assistance，后者包含的范围更广。
: 485表格中是去年把public charge改成public assistance的。
: Federal
: DHS
: plans
: date. In
: to
: Field