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【 在 uper (天天向上) 的大作中提到: 】 A response to your petition on "Meet the Flockers": Thanks for taking the time to sign this petition on the We the People platform. The First Amendment protects the freedom of speech in the United States. The White House doesn't make decisions about whether particular songs are available publicly. Individual platforms determine their choice of content and the rules of participation and conduct for their sites. We encourage you to use the We the People platform to petition the Administration to take action on the policy issues you care about, and appreciate your interest in using the platform to make your voices heard. ...................
【 在 uper (天天向上) 的大作中提到: 】 A response to your petition on "Meet the Flockers": Thanks for taking the time to sign this petition on the We the People platform. The First Amendment protects the freedom of speech in the United States. The White House doesn't make decisions about whether particular songs are available publicly. Individual platforms determine their choice of content and the rules of participation and conduct for their sites. We encourage you to use the We the People platform to petition the Administration to take action on the policy issues you care about, and appreciate your interest in using the platform to make your voices heard. ...................
【 在 uper (天天向上) 的大作中提到: 】 A response to your petition on "Meet the Flockers": Thanks for taking the time to sign this petition on the We the People platform. The First Amendment protects the freedom of speech in the United States. The White House doesn't make decisions about whether particular songs are available publicly. Individual platforms determine their choice of content and the rules of participation and conduct for their sites. We encourage you to use the We the People platform to petition the Administration to take action on the policy issues you care about, and appreciate your interest in using the platform to make your voices heard. ...................
【 在 uper (天天向上) 的大作中提到: 】 A response to your petition on "Meet the Flockers": Thanks for taking the time to sign this petition on the We the People platform. The First Amendment protects the freedom of speech in the United States.
【 在 uper (天天向上) 的大作中提到: 】 A response to your petition on "Meet the Flockers": Thanks for taking the time to sign this petition on the We the People platform. The First Amendment protects the freedom of speech in the United States. The White House doesn't make decisions about whether particular songs are available publicly. Individual platforms determine their choice of content and the rules of participation and conduct for their sites. We encourage you to use the We the People platform to petition the Administration to take action on the policy issues you care about, and appreciate your interest in using the platform to make your voices heard. ...................
【 在 uper (天天向上) 的大作中提到: 】 A response to your petition on "Meet the Flockers": Thanks for taking the time to sign this petition on the We the People platform. The First Amendment protects the freedom of speech in the United States. The White House doesn't make decisions about whether particular songs are available publicly. Individual platforms determine their choice of content and the rules of participation and conduct for their sites. We encourage you to use the We the People platform to petition the Administration to take action on the policy issues you care about, and appreciate your interest in using the platform to make your voices heard. ...................
【 在 uper (天天向上) 的大作中提到: 】 A response to your petition on "Meet the Flockers": Thanks for taking the time to sign this petition on the We the People platform. The First Amendment protects the freedom of speech in the United States. The White House doesn't make decisions about whether particular songs are available publicly. Individual platforms determine their choice of content and the rules of participation and conduct for their sites. We encourage you to use the We the People platform to petition the Administration to take action on the policy issues you care about, and appreciate your interest in using the platform to make your voices heard. ...................
【 在 uper (天天向上) 的大作中提到: 】 A response to your petition on "Meet the Flockers": Thanks for taking the time to sign this petition on the We the People platform. The First Amendment protects the freedom of speech in the United States. The White House doesn't make decisions about whether particular songs are available publicly. Individual platforms determine their choice of content and the rules of participation and conduct for their sites. We encourage you to use the We the People platform to petition the Administration to take action on the policy issues you care about, and appreciate your interest in using the platform to make your voices heard. ...................
【 在 uper (天天向上) 的大作中提到: 】 A response to your petition on "Meet the Flockers": Thanks for taking the time to sign this petition on the We the People platform. The First Amendment protects the freedom of speech in the United States. The White House doesn't make decisions about whether particular songs are available publicly. Individual platforms determine their choice of content and the rules of participation and conduct for their sites. We encourage you to use the We the People platform to petition the Administration to take action on the policy issues you care about, and appreciate your interest in using the platform to make your voices heard. ...................
我无意替白宫和民主党,左派辩解,我是坚定支持保守派的,但是很遗憾的是就这个事件而言,根据最高法院2015年关于Elonis v. United States的判决,在歌词里面煽动 犯罪是属于言论自由保护的。这里并不是说最高法院的判决是对的,我也很讨厌这种煽动暴力针对中国人的歌词,只是说这是目前确立的判例。
早在2010年之前,自称饶舌歌曲词作家的Elonis在facebook上引用了一段来自The Whitest Kids U' Know的歌词,但他把里面的president改成了他的前妻 Did you know that it's illegal for me to say I want to kill my wife? It's illegal. It's indirect criminal contempt. It's one of the only sentences that I'm not allowed to say. Now it was okay for me to say it right then because I was just telling you that it's illegal for me to say I want to kill my wife... 而且结尾还是"Art is about pushing limits. I'm willing to go to jail for my constitutional rights. Are you?"
然后他还继续扬言要杀一个FBI的探员,因为他前妻报警并申请法庭禁制令,这个探员 来警告他不要再骚扰他前妻, ...Took all the strength I had not to turn the bitch ghost Pull my knife, flick my wrist, and slit her throat Leave her bleedin’ from her jugular in the arms of her partner..." (这个 FBI探员是女的)。
我无意替白宫和民主党,左派辩解,我是坚定支持保守派的,但是很遗憾的是就这个事 件而言,根据最高法院2015年关于Elonis v. United States的判决,在歌词里面煽动 犯罪是属于言论自由保护的。这里并不是说最高法院的判决是对的,我也很讨厌这种煽 动暴力针对中国人的歌词,只是说这是目前确立的判例。
早在2010年之前,自称饶舌歌曲词作家的Elonis在facebook上引用了一段来自The Whitest Kids U' Know的歌词,但他把里面的president改成了他的前妻 Did you know that it's illegal for me to say I want to kill my wife? It's illegal. It's indirect criminal contempt. It's one of the only sentences that I'm not allowed to say. Now it was okay for me to say it right then because I was just telling you that it's illegal for me to say I want to kill my wife... 而且结尾还是"Art is about pushing limits. I'm willing to go to jail for my constitutional rights. Are you?"
然后他还继续扬言要杀一个FBI的探员,因为他前妻报警并申请法庭禁制令,这个探员 来警告他不要再骚扰他前妻, ...Took all the strength I had not to turn the bitch ghost Pull my knife, flick my wrist, and slit her throat Leave her bleedin’ from her jugular in the arms of her partner..." (这个: FBI探员是女的)。
【 在 easy5819 (easy) 的大作中提到: 】 我无意替白宫和民主党,左派辩解,我是坚定支持保守派的,但是很遗憾的是就这个事 件而言,根据最高法院2015年关于Elonis v. United States的判决,在歌词里面煽动 犯罪是属于言论自由保护的。这里并不是说最高法院的判决是对的,我也很讨厌这种煽 动暴力针对中国人的歌词,只是说这是目前确立的判例。 早在2010年之前,自称饶舌歌曲词作家的Elonis在facebook上引用了一段来自The Whitest Kids U' Know的歌词,但他把里面的president改成了他的前妻 Did you know that it's illegal for me to say I want to kill my wife? It's illegal. It's indirect criminal contempt. It's one of the only sentences that I'm not allowed to say. ...................
【 在 easy5819 (easy) 的大作中提到: 】 我无意替白宫和民主党,左派辩解,我是坚定支持保守派的,但是很遗憾的是就这个事 件而言,根据最高法院2015年关于Elonis v. United States的判决,在歌词里面煽动 犯罪是属于言论自由保护的。这里并不是说最高法院的判决是对的,我也很讨厌这种煽 动暴力针对中国人的歌词,只是说这是目前确立的判例。 早在2010年之前,自称饶舌歌曲词作家的Elonis在facebook上引用了一段来自The Whitest Kids U' Know的歌词,但他把里面的president改成了他的前妻 Did you know that it's illegal for me to say I want to kill my wife? It's illegal. It's indirect criminal contempt. It's one of the only sentences that I'm not allowed to say. ...................
【 在 uper (天天向上) 的大作中提到: 】 A response to your petition on "Meet the Flockers": Thanks for taking the time to sign this petition on the We the People platform. The First Amendment protects the freedom of speech in the United States. The White House doesn't make decisions about whether particular songs are available publicly. Individual platforms determine their choice of content and the rules of participation and conduct for their sites. We encourage you to use the We the People platform to petition the Administration to take action on the policy issues you care about, and appreciate your interest in using the platform to make your voices heard. ...................
【 在 uper (天天向上) 的大作中提到: 】 A response to your petition on "Meet the Flockers": Thanks for taking the time to sign this petition on the We the People platform. The First Amendment protects the freedom of speech in the United States. The White House doesn't make decisions about whether particular songs are available publicly. Individual platforms determine their choice of content and the rules of participation and conduct for their sites. We encourage you to use the We the People platform to petition the Administration to take action on the policy issues you care about, and appreciate your interest in using the platform to make your voices heard. ...................
【 在 easy5819 (easy) 的大作中提到: 】 我无意替白宫和民主党,左派辩解,我是坚定支持保守派的,但是很遗憾的是就这个事 件而言,根据最高法院2015年关于Elonis v. United States的判决,在歌词里面煽动 犯罪是属于言论自由保护的。这里并不是说最高法院的判决是对的,我也很讨厌这种煽 动暴力针对中国人的歌词,只是说这是目前确立的判例。 早在2010年之前,自称饶舌歌曲词作家的Elonis在facebook上引用了一段来自The Whitest Kids U' Know的歌词,但他把里面的president改成了他的前妻 Did you know that it's illegal for me to say I want to kill my wife? It's illegal. It's indirect criminal contempt. It's one of the only sentences that I'm not allowed to say. ...................
【 在 uper (天天向上) 的大作中提到: 】 : A response to your petition on "Meet the Flockers": : Thanks for taking the time to sign this petition on the We the People : platform. : The First Amendment protects the freedom of speech in the United States. The : White House doesn't make decisions about whether particular songs are : available publicly. Individual platforms determine their choice of content : and the rules of participation and conduct for their sites. : We encourage you to use the We the People platform to petition the : Administration to take action on the policy issues you care about, and : appreciate your interest in using the platform to make your voices heard. : ...................
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这会儿想起来1st amendment了,靠。前一段儿他们反对alt-right,反对Bannon的时候怎么就没想起来呢?
【 在 egelone (Go trump! Make america greate again!) 的大作中提到: 】
: 真的假的?虽然俺也猜到这个结局,但是这么无耻没有下限我也很难想到。
【 在 nengneng (能能) 的大作中提到: 】
: 真的。我也签名了,所以刚刚也收到了,都没好意思往这里转载。
: 这会儿想起来1st amendment了,靠。前一段儿他们反对alt-right,反对Bannon的时候
: 怎么就没想起来呢?
黄左让猪党操死才好呢
【 在 uper (天天向上) 的大作中提到: 】
: 再次证明民主党就是披着人皮的畜生,它可以咬你,这是它的自由,但你不能批评它,
: 少有批评你就是racist, alt-right, far-right, nazi, islamphobia, redneck
你根本不懂什么叫言论自由。什么叫第一修正案。你跟Donald Trump一样对美国宪法一无所知
远了
【 在 uper (天天向上) 的大作中提到: 】
: A response to your petition on
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 13
老毛说了---枪杆子里面出政权
二、就算是共和党当家,你猜共和党会给你什么不一样的答案?
请愿是现有法律框架无法解决,没办法的举动。
那个天天总指挥呢?这是个做实事,得到更多华人支持的好机会,不要错过
撕破脸皮羞辱我们,也没想过给他们自己一个台阶。
毫无疑问是针对这次大选华人史无前列的出台、爆发以前所未有的激烈方式支持trump
的后遗症。
我不认为最大的伤害者是我们,应该是80-20之类的民主党华人,他们以后的日子才是
真正的难过,如果他们不反省的话继续分裂出售(我没写错,不是背叛,是出售)华人族群。
同样,我认为我们有必要通过某个渠道让trump团队和支持trump的主流社会知道华人此次的牺牲和面临的风险。
十万人就白签名了 ?今天刚刚听到的消息,一个学生鼓励另一个学生自杀,企图用言
论自由来开脱,被法官驳回;那么这个视频鼓励抢劫暴力,反而倒成了言论自由 ??
那些华人议员政客呢,干什么吃的 ? 80-20 呢, 这个时候没了影了 ?!
抢劫是犯罪
只要你不怕
可以将抢劫犯当场击毙
去找黑皮裁判黑皮
当然没什么公道
雖然是傻逼,也是有當傻逼的權利的,中國人為啥就不懂這個事情呢?
我不知道什么时候美国的言论自由这么宽松的? 如果黄人说杀光黑人,杀光白人,估
计早被禁了。这就是美国左逼的宣言: White and black lives matter! 黄人呢,自然就死光最好。
NoDAPL 在印第安人圣地上建油管,违反了合同,违反了法律。但奥巴马代表石油公司
强推。警察全副城市战武装,完全被石油公司支配。对手无寸铁的人群密集橡皮子弹射击,一人被射入眼睛,被直接爆头死亡。然后直接上枪榴弹,一女孩逃跑中被炸掉一条手臂。镇压黄人的时候左逼真是无所不用其极。但这事儿在媒体上没有引起一丝波澜,大家都直接忽视了。这就是美国黄人的现实,没人在乎你!
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqSpk99bLYIRhTrDy1WU4xR5xqTDT4KCP
根本就不知道神马人去开头闹,一帮人跟着瞎闹
犯罪是属于言论自由保护的。这里并不是说最高法院的判决是对的,我也很讨厌这种煽动暴力针对中国人的歌词,只是说这是目前确立的判例。
早在2010年之前,自称饶舌歌曲词作家的Elonis在facebook上引用了一段来自The
Whitest Kids U' Know的歌词,但他把里面的president改成了他的前妻
Did you know that it's illegal for me to say I want to kill my wife?
It's illegal.
It's indirect criminal contempt.
It's one of the only sentences that I'm not allowed to say.
Now it was okay for me to say it right then because I was just telling you
that it's illegal for me to say I want to kill my wife...
而且结尾还是"Art is about pushing limits. I'm willing to go to jail for my
constitutional rights. Are you?"
然后他还继续扬言要杀一个FBI的探员,因为他前妻报警并申请法庭禁制令,这个探员
来警告他不要再骚扰他前妻,
...Took all the strength I had not to turn the bitch ghost
Pull my knife, flick my wrist, and slit her throat
Leave her bleedin’ from her jugular in the arms of her partner..." (这个
FBI探员是女的)。
之后他还继续威胁当地警察,同事,还扬言要去当地幼儿园大开杀戒。
然后2010年这老兄就被抓起来告上法庭,并坐牢3年8个月,他就一直打官司打到最高法院,在2015年最高法院反转了下级法院的判决,认为Elonis的歌词受到言论自由的保护。而且出乎意料的是判决并不是传统意义上保守派和自由派的对决。判决是以7:1:1
反转判决的,多数方除了四名自由派大法官,还加上温和保守派肯尼迪,首席大法官小罗伯茨和著名保守派大将斯卡利亚。而强硬保守大法官阿利托是部分同意部分不同意,只有天天被自由派骂翻天的黑人大法官托马斯是投反对票,认为Elonis的死亡威胁歌词不受言论自由保护。
在多数意见书中,首席大法官罗伯茨,布什总统提名的保守派大法官,认定他没有主动去实施犯罪,光是说说属于他的言论自由。也就是说Elonis除了嘴上说说,并没有实施买刀买枪等犯罪动作,所以是言论自由。
说这么多并不是要支持这些煽动性歌词应该属于言论自由的保护,事实上这在社会中也是一个争议性的话题,很多rapper的歌词,比如痞子阿姆,都有许多类似犯罪行为的描述,而最高法院的判决书也正好引用了痞子阿姆的一段歌词。在美国社会,尤其是法律界,为了保护言论自由,对言论自由的容忍度是很高的,或者是认定是很宽泛的。
专门制定法律说歌词里面可以说,平时日常生活中不可以说,这就是给黑人的特别通行证,因为只有他们的rap才是动不动就说暴力内容的。
抛开是否违法不说,也不论官司赢面多大,这个歌词已经伤害了华人,而且已经有人听了这个歌去实施了对华人的攻击,那么作为华人就还应该起来喊,起来斗,看看那些黑人怎么干的,法律不裁定警察有罪黑人就必须消停了?何况我们纯粹无辜受威胁,要更理直气壮得多。
对方可以用言论自由做挡箭牌,我们起来示威抗议,难道不是同样受法律保护?
包括美国某些州星期四晚上可以打老婆就是这个道理.
因为当初被判无罪的打老婆的那个拳头够大.
包括德州的affluenza
而之前, 大家记得么, 有人在推特上开了个米雪的玩笑就丢了工作
苍天在上, 上帝绝不会绕了那些邪恶之人的
操他妈了逼
虽然知道总统并不能直接做什么 但是作为国家的leader 抛开种族问题 从道德的角度提出不能鼓励犯罪和暴力也做不到吗??
【 在 uper (天天向上) 的大作中提到: 】
: A response to your petition on "Meet the Flockers":
: Thanks for taking the time to sign this petition on the We the People
: platform.
: The First Amendment protects the freedom of speech in the United States.
The
: White House doesn't make decisions about whether particular songs are
: available publicly. Individual platforms determine their choice of content
: and the rules of participation and conduct for their sites.
: We encourage you to use the We the People platform to petition the
: Administration to take action on the policy issues you care about, and
: appreciate your interest in using the platform to make your voices heard.
: ...................
【 在 mitbbs2715 (好吃不懒做) 的大作中提到: 】
: 当年ABC的主播也没屁事,现在黑人歌手公然鼓动大家打杀华人,也是属于言论自由,
: 我不知道什么时候美国的言论自由这么宽松的? 如果黄人说杀光黑人,杀光白人,估
: 计早被禁了。这就是美国左逼的宣言: White and black lives matter! 黄人呢,自然
: 就死光最好。
: NoDAPL 在印第安人圣地上建油管,违反了合同,违反了法律。但奥巴马代表石油公司
: 强推。警察全副城市战武装,完全被石油公司支配。对手无寸铁的人群密集橡皮子弹射
: 击,一人被射入眼睛,被直接爆头死亡。然后直接上枪榴弹,一女孩逃跑中被炸掉一条
: 手臂。镇压黄人的时候左逼真是无所不用其极。但这事儿在媒体上没有引起一丝波澜,
: 大家都直接忽视了。这就是美国黄人的现实,没人在乎你!
: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqSpk99bLYIRhTrDy1WU4xR5xqTDT4KCP
: ...................
【 在 fumanchu (Dr.Fumanchu) 的大作中提到: 】
: 标 题: 接到白宫通知,煽动抢劫中国人是言论自由
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Dec 1 15:54:46 2016, 美东)
:
: 搞个白宫情愿,为指出米雪像猩猩而横遭解雇的人喊冤,侵犯宪法权利。恶心一下这黑
: 驴!
:
: --
【 在 WSKing (猥琐之王) 的大作中提到: 】
: 鼓励你艹他家黄花闺女
:
: 0bama的老婆孩子最好给非法移民或者黑鬼奸杀。
:
: 操他妈了逼
:
我们只能做有用的。。。
: 靠, 凭什么, 煽动抢劫中国人是言论自由;
: 而之前, 大家记得么, 有人在推特上开了个米雪的玩笑就丢了工作
: 苍天在上, 上帝绝不会绕了那些邪恶之人的
出这个事之前和老板讨论过言论自由这件事。你也可以说杀光xx人,政府不会把你怎么样,这是言论自由。当然你老板可以因此炒你鱿鱼,你老婆可以因此和你离婚。但你还是可以说。
而加拿大是没有言论自由的。如果你说了那些话,会被抓到监狱去。
所以开犹太人玩笑的,开黑人玩笑的,不用等苦主抗议,雇主就行动了。而轮到华人的时候,只能苦哈哈地游行。但是,所有这些里面,是没有政府行为参与的。这就是言论自由。
我们说 “保障言论自由”,这个观念是指在法律这个层级,你不会因为说了什么话而
受到来自 *公权力* 的处罚(除了鼓吹暴力诽谤恐吓等等)。但保障言论自由的观念,并不适用在规章与道德层面;也就是说,如果你说了不恰当的话,你还是有可能会遭受到来自 *私权力* 的处罚/反应/后果。
洛杉矶快艇队被卖掉的事件里,就是因为前老板说了种族歧视的话,公权力单位(警察)没有把他抓起来,因为要保障言论自由。但是私权力单位,NBA,却因为他的言论违
反内部章程而处罚他。这不是不保障言论自由,而是因为那是属于私权力行为,他想要处罚不当的言论,别人管不着。
又比如说某些服装设计师,不愿意为川普老婆服务,因为川普的 locker room talk 构成了性别歧视。警察没把他抓起来,因为要保障言论自由。
但是私权力单位(服装设计师,个人也是一种私权力)有权处罚她们想要处罚的不当言论。
【 在 Topolino (Topolino) 的大作中提到: 】
: 出这个事之前和老板讨论过言论自由这件事。你也可以说杀光xx人,政府不会把你怎么
: 样,这是言论自由。当然你老板可以因此炒你鱿鱼,你老婆可以因此和你离婚。但你还
: 是可以说。
: 而加拿大是没有言论自由的。如果你说了那些话,会被抓到监狱去。
: 所以开犹太人玩笑的,开黑人玩笑的,不用等苦主抗议,雇主就行动了。而轮到华人的
: 时候,只能苦哈哈地游行。但是,所有这些里面,是没有政府行为参与的。这就是言论
: 自由。