我不相信很多华人faculty第一次投票给共和党

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cscope
101 楼
说奥巴马砍funding的人真是脑子浆糊了,也不看看这八年谁在不遗余力的砍
discretional spending,甚至以government shutdown 来要挟?现在床普上台加上共
和党国会,真的只能说呵呵了
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rinse
102 楼
老中主要集中在数理化生基础专业

GOP比较看重传统工业,但是这部分基本都是敏感专业,一水白人(犹太)天下,连老
印都看不见几个

【 在 digua (姚之FAN) 的大作中提到: 】
当然是美国这边,现在国内有的是研究经费。前面有人说了,美国不需要paper。
创新? 那都是精英们自己说的,不可相信。
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buckshot000
103 楼
全都回家算了,科研有个狗屁价值,还不如种玉米卖红薯实在。

【 在 digua (姚之FAN) 的大作中提到: 】
当然是美国这边,现在国内有的是研究经费。前面有人说了,美国不需要paper。
创新? 那都是精英们自己说的,不可相信。
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hanchi2010
104 楼
我们的研究方向国内几乎100%是跟风。

【 在 digua (姚之FAN) 的大作中提到: 】
当然是美国这边,现在国内有的是研究经费。前面有人说了,美国不需要paper。
创新? 那都是精英们自己说的,不可相信。
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bigbull
105 楼
请仔细阅读原句。

【 在 Tianshu (天书) 的大作中提到: 】
大部分亚裔和犹太人都是知识界的?你果然是象牙塔里的
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bigbull
106 楼
我听见和看见的只有反对的声音, 而没有支持的。你可以举出知识界哪一个(一个就
行)重镇支持川普吗?

【 在 absentminded (得意而忘形) 的大作中提到: 】
大家表述自己的意见就好了,没必要拉上自己认识的社科老师,更不要轻言整个知识界
。你我说不定就认识,但面对面的时候我们多半不会谈这些话题。左派这些年的做法颇
多过激之处,激进左派对话语权的控制直接导致了很多人在很多场合选择沉默。
希拉里和川普问题都很多,选谁对我来说取决于一个判断:谁是lesser of the two : evils。我认为这是个见仁见智的问题,有很多不确定性在里边,选谁都是个基于不

全信息的bet,都不是绝对真理,都可以讨论和商榷。
从学术角度看,这次大选结果也充分说明了学界相当一部分人跟现实的脱节。关起门来
在象牙塔里自说自话,以知识分子甚至精英自居,听不得不同意见,对现实的了解主要
依赖数据和媒体,缺乏对各地区各阶层各行业的感性认识,这样搞社会科学是有问题的。
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digua
107 楼
我信,但有什么用呢?大家都是狗屁精英,不可信。

【 在 hanchi2010 (热风) 的大作中提到: 】
我们的研究方向国内几乎100%是跟风。
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buckshot000
108 楼
跟一堆支持trump的发考题说“听见和看见的只有反对的声音”,是证明自己眼睛耳朵
不好吗?

口口声声知识界,是想说知识界对国家现状的认识高过经济界工业界,政治界,还是高过普通老百姓?一边要求各种平等一边内心各种偏见。一边号称有知识,一边避谈独立的基于事实的具体观点,顶个知识界的头衔就要求别人接受你的结论?

【 在 bigbull (bigbull) 的大作中提到: 】
我听见和看见的只有反对的声音, 而没有支持的。你可以举出知识界哪一个(一个就
行)重镇支持川普吗?

的。
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stoppingtime
109 楼
的确是没有支持的。因为支持川大爷的教授都被开除出知识界了。呵呵。

【 在 bigbull (bigbull) 的大作中提到: 】
我听见和看见的只有反对的声音, 而没有支持的。你可以举出知识界哪一个(一个就
行)重镇支持川普吗?

的。
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stoppingtime
110 楼
哪有这事儿?

【 在 rinse (东城 西就) 的大作中提到: 】
但现在貌似是反过来,中国政府外包给美国(华裔)教授
一到假期,中国老师纷纷飞回国拉项目
SCI评价体系不改,中国学术圈发文章还得找美国这批人合作
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bigbull
111 楼
我当然不是指这儿的华人教授了。我指的是土生土长的,而且我主要指知识界重镇,
我们这儿有吗?是的话, 网都不怎么上, 有时间来废话吗。你看人Donald Kruth 连
电子邮件都不用。无偏见不等同于人人都一样。知识界理论上对事物的认识高于一般人,否则怎么教别人呢。如果教授不是社会的精英, 难道是红脖吗。为了辩论甘愿自贬
。但这并不说知识界就高于别人, 而不尊重别人。我从没强迫别人接受我的意见, 但我可以有说的权利, 蔑视别人的权利。教授可以和红脖辩论吗,这是鸡同鸭讲。说不
好听, 你清楚啥叫民主吗,什么是民主的局限性吗,三权分立的来历吗,什么事
Robert's Rule of Order 吗。 别知道个三权分立,选举人制就了不起,这是美国小学的社会课内容。你知道为啥搞选举人制吗。先去读几本书,别老上Wikipedia搞知识快
餐。社会科学没你想象的那么简单。

【 在 buckshot000 () 的大作中提到: 】
跟一堆支持trump的发考题说“听见和看见的只有反对的声音”,是证明自己眼睛耳朵
不好吗?
口口声声知识界,是想说知识界对国家现状的认识高过经济界工业界,政治界,还是高
过普通老百姓?一边要求各种平等一边内心各种偏见。一边号称有知识,一边避谈独立
的基于事实的具体观点,顶个知识界的头衔就要求别人接受你的结论?
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bigbull
112 楼
Just for your reference, Hillary won the popular vote. Probably you don't
even understand what I was talking about. Either having a pathetic
vocabulary or simply you just don't follow the election statistics.

【 在 bigbull (bigbull) 的大作中提到: 】
我当然不是指这儿的华人教授了。我指的是土生土长的,而且我主要指知识界重镇,
我们这儿有吗?是的话, 网都不怎么上, 有时间来废话吗。你看人Donald Kruth 连
电子邮件都不用。无偏见不等同于人人都一样。知识界理论上对事物的认识高于一般人
,否则怎么教别人呢。如果教授不是社会的精英, 难道是红脖吗。为了辩论甘愿自贬
。但这并不说知识界就高于别人, 而不尊重别人。我从没强迫别人接受我的意见, 但
我可以有说的权利, 蔑视别人的权利。教授可以和红脖辩论吗,这是鸡同鸭讲。说不
好听, 你清楚啥叫民主吗,什么是民主的局限性吗,三权分立的来历吗,什么事
Robert's Rule of Order 吗。 别知道个三权分立,选举人制就了不起,这是美国小学
的社会课内容。你知道为啥搞选举人制吗。先去读几本书,别老上Wikipedia搞知识快
餐。社会科学没你想象的那么简单。
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buckshot000
113 楼
I broke out in laughter, literally. Knowing Robert's rule demonstrates your unfathomably deep understanding of democracy and proves sociology professors are elites? It is astonishing how quickly you admitted that you will always despise everyday american people who are the very foundation of the
democracy. You are an epitome of the DEM voters living in an aquarium and
feeding on every flaky news piece dropped by mainstream media, shocked by
reality, degrading into full angst and bitter denial.

I refuse to believe that you represent sociology as a discipline, but you
successfully move the needle on my scale in terms of believing that there
often is a coupled rock-bottom competence and sky-high arrogance in some
self-claimed elites in humanities.

【 在 bigbull (bigbull) 的大作中提到: 】
我当然不是指这儿的华人教授了。我指的是土生土长的,而且我主要指知识界重镇,
我们这儿有吗?是的话, 网都不怎么上, 有时间来废话吗。你看人Donald Kruth 连
电子邮件都不用。无偏见不等同于人人都一样。知识界理论上对事物的认识高于一般人
,否则怎么教别人呢。如果教授不是社会的精英, 难道是红脖吗。为了辩论甘愿自贬
。但这并不说知识界就高于别人, 而不尊重别人。我从没强迫别人接受我的意见, 但
我可以有说的权利, 蔑视别人的权利。教授可以和红脖辩论吗,这是鸡同鸭讲。说不
好听, 你清楚啥叫民主吗,什么是民主的局限性吗,三权分立的来历吗,什么事
Robert's Rule of Order 吗。 别知道个三权分立,选举人制就了不起,这是美国小学
的社会课内容。你知道为啥搞选举人制吗。先去读几本书,别老上Wikipedia搞知识快
餐。社会科学没你想象的那么简单。
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bigbull
114 楼
I have to say you are pathetic for what you did and said. You know what I am talking about here. You and your like-minded people exactly represent the
kind of characters you people are being despised for. Trump's character and his people's :)

【 在 buckshot000 () 的大作中提到: 】
I broke out in laughter, literally. Knowing Robert's rule demonstrates
your
unfathomably deep understanding of democracy and proves sociology
professors
are elites? It is astonishing how quickly you admitted that you will
always
despise everyday american people who are the very foundation of the
democracy. You are an epitome of the DEM voters living in an aquarium and : feeding on every flaky news piece dropped by mainstream media, shocked by : reality, degrading into full angst and bitter denial.
I refuse to believe that you represent sociology as a discipline, but you : successfully move the needle on my scale in terms of believing that there : often is a coupled rock-bottom competence and sky-high arrogance in some
...................
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bigbull
115 楼
By the way, don't try to use those big words to prove I am wrong. You are
exactly showing how narrow-minded you are and care so much about my
criticism while moving away from the fact that Trump is a crook and not a
member of gentry who will never be accepted. I am bursting into laughter
while I am typing these words.

【 在 buckshot000 () 的大作中提到: 】
I broke out in laughter, literally. Knowing Robert's rule demonstrates
your
unfathomably deep understanding of democracy and proves sociology
professors
are elites? It is astonishing how quickly you admitted that you will
always
despise everyday american people who are the very foundation of the
democracy. You are an epitome of the DEM voters living in an aquarium and : feeding on every flaky news piece dropped by mainstream media, shocked by : reality, degrading into full angst and bitter denial.
I refuse to believe that you represent sociology as a discipline, but you : successfully move the needle on my scale in terms of believing that there : often is a coupled rock-bottom competence and sky-high arrogance in some
...................
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pingshantang
116 楼
看看这个吧。换种思路。http://bbs.wforum.com/wmf/bbsviewer.php?trd_id=338581

【 在 bigbull (bigbull) 的大作中提到: 】
By the way, don't try to use those big words to prove I am wrong. You are : exactly showing how narrow-minded you are and care so much about my
criticism while moving away from the fact that Trump is a crook and not a : member of gentry who will never be accepted. I am bursting into laughter
while I am typing these words.
your
professors
always
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buckshot000
117 楼
This is not funny any more. Let's review the conversation:

1. You called me "narrow-minded", while you think only American born
academics know the "truth", not regular American people not foreign born
academics.
---"You are exactly showing how narrow-minded"
---"我当然不是指这儿的华人教授了。我指的是土生土长的,"

2. You think you are not biased, while hinting red-necks are not worthy of a debate.
---"无偏见不等同于人人都一样。"
---"教授可以和红脖辩论吗,这是鸡同鸭讲"

3. You think you know better about democracy, while telling us the president-elect and half of the nation should be despised and will never be accepted.---"你清楚啥叫民主吗"
---"You and your like-minded people exactly represent the
kind of characters you people are being despised for. Trump's character and his people's :)"
---"Trump is a crook and not a member of gentry who will never be accepted"

4. You postulate about my "pathetic vocabulary", followed by criticizing me using "big words" to distract from facts. So I numbered them 1-4 to make the facts slightly more self-explaining.
---"don't try to use those big words to prove I am wrong"
---"Either having a pathetic vocabulary or simply you j"


P.S. I do take criticism seriously. Although I honestly do not know which
words used in my previous post were below or above your comfort zone, but I swear I am trying my best to speak plainly in this one. Please do not repeat my line nearly verbatim, because that's draining my last bit of interest in replying.



【 在 bigbull (bigbull) 的大作中提到: 】
By the way, don't try to use those big words to prove I am wrong. You are : exactly showing how narrow-minded you are and care so much about my
criticism while moving away from the fact that Trump is a crook and not a : member of gentry who will never be accepted. I am bursting into laughter
while I am typing these words.
your
professors
always
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LoveinGod
118 楼
大选之前,不讨论,现在都选定了还讨论个屁啊,不管今后怎么样,做好自己的本职工作,说来说去也改变不了结果。

民主党做了八年,也就那样,经济毫无起色就算了,还搞了一大堆不属于大众胃口的法律,同性婚姻合法化,男女共用厕所,少数民族有优先权,非法移民合法化。全民医保。最后还要来一个之前败给奥巴马的希拉里,奥巴马都只是如此,难道人们还要再次选希拉里,让未来的日子一眼望到边?

共和党好不好谁也不知道,这次选民只是对民主党失去了信心,如果共和党真的不行,民主党四年之后可以卷土重来!
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bigbull
119 楼
I don't think this is getting any where funny either. You said in your
original post that Hillary lost both (popular and electoral). This is simply wrong. So my assumption is either you don't know what is popular vote as
part of your vocabulary repertoire or you don't follow the news. Am I right on this account? Then you got offended, and started to use those "big," "
assuming" and long words strings to prove that's not true. You have have
high self-esteem :) Well, see my responses below

【 在 buckshot000 () 的大作中提到: 】
This is not funny any more. Let's review the conversation:
1. You called me "narrow-minded", while you think only American born
academics know the "truth", not regular American people not foreign born
academics.
Already responded and you know what I was referring to. Low and base....
2. You think you are not biased, while hinting red-necks are not worthy of a
debate.
I never said red-necks are not worthy of a debate, but simply the fact that they don't have much education and a natural progression from that
assumption then would be they are more likely to err
3. You think you know better about democracy, while telling us the
president
-elect and half of the nation should be despised and will never be
accepted.
Clearly incorrect. The turn-out rate is around 55%, all time low in the last 20 years since 1996; plus, plus, yes there is a plus among these 55%, more than half voted Hillary Clinton (because she won the popular vote as a fact). She did lose on electoral votes, that I admit.
4. You postulate about my "pathetic vocabulary", followed by criticizing
me
using "big words" to distract from facts. So I numbered them 1-4 to make
the
...................
Already responded at the beginning.
This would be my easist R&R memo ever written :)
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absentminded
120 楼
我举不出来。不过我理解的知识界,大部分人并不归属于某个“重镇”;大部分“重镇”并没有对两个候选人发表意见;大部分发表意见的,不管是人是镇,都是self-
select的。精英们真的该意识到,沉默的大多数是真实存在。

不过有一点我同意你:想要发自内心地支持川普,很难。这次川普能当选,最大的功臣是希拉里;换了拜登,川普一点希望都没有。

【 在 bigbull (bigbull) 的大作中提到: 】
我听见和看见的只有反对的声音, 而没有支持的。你可以举出知识界哪一个(一个就
行)重镇支持川普吗?

的。
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bigbull
121 楼
I disagree. See below:

Political Scientisthttps://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7l0lh4nmE3OSkpCWjJJNGVoNXc/view

Economistshttp://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2016/11/01/prominent-economists-including-eight-nobel-laureates-do-not-vote-for-donald-trump/

This never happened in the history of America, where academic elites are
supposed to stay quiet without exposing their collective preferences before any presidential election. But they did. Why? Because he "trumped" the
democratic foundation of this country in serious ways (see my previous post).

【 在 absentminded (得意而忘形) 的大作中提到: 】
我举不出来。不过我理解的知识界,大部分人并不归属于某个“重镇”;大部分“重镇
”并没有对两个候选人发表意见;大部分发表意见的,不管是人是镇,都是self-
select的。精英们真的该意识到,沉默的大多数是真实存在。
不过有一点我同意你:想要发自内心地支持川普,很难。这次川普能当选,最大的功臣
是希拉里;换了拜登,川普一点希望都没有。
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bigbull
122 楼
This is not about democratic or republican victory or AA and anti-AA, uni-
sex bathroom, which many Chinese view it is. It is about having a crooked
president or an alternative.

【 在 bigbull (bigbull) 的大作中提到: 】
I disagree. See below:
Political Scientist
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7l0lh4nmE3OSkpCWjJJNGVoNXc/view
Economists
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2016/11/01/prominent-economists-including-eight-nobel-laureates-do-not-vote-for-donald-trump/
This never happened in the history of America, where academic elites are
supposed to stay quiet without exposing their collective preferences
before
any presidential election. But they did. Why? Because he "trumped" the
democratic foundation of this country in serious ways (see my previous
post).
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stoppingtime
123 楼
嗯,以后就请教授们来选总统。屁民们没有资格的。

【 在 bigbull (bigbull) 的大作中提到: 】
I disagree. See below:
Political Scientist
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7l0lh4nmE3OSkpCWjJJNGVoNXc/view
Economists
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2016/11/01/prominent-economists-including-eight-nobel-laureates-do-not-vote-for-donald-trump/
This never happened in the history of America, where academic elites are
supposed to stay quiet without exposing their collective preferences
before
any presidential election. But they did. Why? Because he "trumped" the
democratic foundation of this country in serious ways (see my previous
post).
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buckshot000
124 楼
The mainstream media declared H won popular votes with large number of
ballots uncounted. Given their all time failure in predicting anything in
this election, I doubted it. there are some twits from couple days ago
claiming T actually
won the popular votes. but after digging a little more, you are likely
correct about popular votes, although the final counts are not out yet. I
jumped to conclusion too early about that.

【 在 bigbull (bigbull) 的大作中提到: 】
I don't think this is getting any where funny either. You said in your
original post that Hillary lost both (popular and electoral). This is
simply
wrong. So my assumption is either you don't know what is popular vote as : part of your vocabulary repertoire or you don't follow the news. Am I
right
on this account? Then you got offended, and started to use those "big," "
assuming" and long words strings to prove that's not true. You have have
high self-esteem :) Well, see my responses below
Already responded and you know what I was referring to. Low and base....
a
I never said red-necks are not worthy of a debate, but simply the fact
that
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nonpareil
125 楼
根据当前的AP election results,希拉里在全国赢了63万票。其中希拉里
在加州赢了275万票,在纽约州赢了150万票。
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/features/2016-election-results/

【 在 buckshot000 () 的大作中提到: 】
The mainstream media declared H won popular votes with large number of
ballots uncounted. Given their all time failure in predicting anything in : this election, I doubted it. there are some twits from couple days ago
claiming T actually
won the popular votes. but after digging a little more, you are likely
correct about popular votes, although the final counts are not out yet. I : jumped to conclusion too early about that.
simply
right
that
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guoke
126 楼
你这人脑子坏到了不可救药的程度。
民主党牺牲亚裔的利益大力推行AA难道是对亚裔好,不排外?民主党要放非法移民的水,难道不是在冲击合法移民的利益?连基本事实都搞不清楚,书是读到屁股里面去了。

交税这个事情,其实还真没有多少人关心,一年就是千把块钱的区别而已。但是民主党搞的政策是交税的人还要对领救济的人低三下四,各种打着反对歧视旗号进行明目张胆,瞠目结舌的逆向歧视。这些你都看不到的话,你真是病得不轻。

川普不是什么好人,但是正是因为民主党,尤其是希拉里肯定坏,很多华人才不得不投川普的票。投希拉里,那是往更深的泥潭里面陷,投川普,至少因为他的不确定性,还是一个合理的赌博。

不要随便说人家心存黑暗,我看反倒是你的心理有问题,不仅如此,脑子也有很大问题。

【 在 Foxman (今狐冲) 的大作中提到: 】
漂亮话都会说,我就问投了DT的发考题们
如果DT让赛西施暂停职业移民
各位敢跟你们的中国学生直承你选了DT吗?
恐怕到时候都成了隐私了吧
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buckshot000
127 楼
I found it amusing again. I had no idea what you are tying to achieve in
this thread. Now I know. you are role-playing as Hillary to recreate the
epic loss of her campaign.

You are dissing and belittling Chinese on a Chinese bbs and somehow hoping
to win the argument, just like calling her own voter deplorable.

You are hyping issues that won't resonate with the audience, feeling
compassionate and victorious without realizing the level of inconsistency
and hypocrisy between your stance and arguments. Calling T crooked is just
like Hillary calling Trump puppet in a debate.

you don't even know where the goal is in a discussion like this, but
feeling
you are scoring so many points. Just like after debate, Hillary yelling: why am I not up by 15%.

You were and still are bathing in the mainstream media Disneyland, just
Hillary waiting for a landslide win on election night.

you probably studied sociology for years but failed to understand the
election, just like Hillary lost the game with 30 years of experience in
politics.

The degree of similarity between H and her supporters is breathtaking. They don't really want to know how the world works. They do things mostly to
massage their ideology and ego, in a bubble, and still cannot stop doing so even after the bubble popped. Friendly reminder the election is over.

This is legitimately hilarious.

【 在 bigbull (bigbull) 的大作中提到: 】
This is not about democratic or republican victory or AA and anti-AA, uni-: sex bathroom, which many Chinese view it is. It is about having a crooked : president or an alternative.
before
post).
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absentminded
128 楼
知识界不仅仅只是这几个社会科学学科。即便是这几个学科,除政治学外,其他学科的人有30%选川普我是不会觉得奇怪。

再说,就算是知识界99%的人都反对川普又怎么样呢?精英阶层的共识也不总是对的,
中世纪时候地心说也是共识。还是应该就事论事地讨论。你那个解释说明的回复,观点先不说,态度我还是赞同的。

【 在 bigbull (bigbull) 的大作中提到: 】
I disagree. See below:
Political Scientist
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7l0lh4nmE3OSkpCWjJJNGVoNXc/view
Economists
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2016/11/01/prominent-economists-including-eight-nobel-laureates-do-not-vote-for-donald-trump/
This never happened in the history of America, where academic elites are
supposed to stay quiet without exposing their collective preferences
before
any presidential election. But they did. Why? Because he "trumped" the
democratic foundation of this country in serious ways (see my previous
post).
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digua
129 楼
Sigh, I got the feeling of sitting in a committee and watching two
colleagues kill the time in an artistic manner.

【 在 buckshot000 () 的大作中提到: 】
I found it amusing again. I had no idea what you are tying to achieve in
this thread. Now I know. you are role-playing as Hillary to recreate the
epic loss of her campaign.
You are dissing and belittling Chinese on a Chinese bbs and somehow hoping
to win the argument, just like calling her own voter deplorable.
You are hyping issues that won't resonate with the audience, feeling
compassionate and victorious without realizing the level of inconsistency : and hypocrisy between your stance and arguments. Calling T crooked is just
like Hillary calling Trump puppet in a debate.
you don't even know where the goal is in a discussion like this, but
...................
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buckshot000
130 楼
右派一般都知道。这次连我facebook上投希拉里的看完这个county map也觉得popular votes没啥意义。http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2016/11/daily-chart-7

【 在 nonpareil (一失足成千古恨,再回头已百年身) 的大作中提到: 】
根据当前的AP election results,希拉里在全国赢了63万票。其中希拉里
在加州赢了275万票,在纽约州赢了150万票。
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/features/2016-election-results/
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WhereIsMyGCU
131 楼
这个我倒觉得你太急于宣布川普代表的东西胜利了。(如果川普搞砸了, 在四年【或
者两年】后,不知道你又会说什么。估计到时你一定会找出另外一个自相矛盾的说法来圆场。政治这种东西翻盘也快得很。)

而且,按照你的逻辑,美国的内战早就结束150 周年了,这些红脖子怎么还在卡车上挂上两面南方的旗帜拖着到处跑呢? 这不是失败了还不认输吗? 问题是人家不仅干了, 而且现在还杀回来了。

我倒觉得bigbull 的说法有些道理。 在这个社会上,法官和教师应当是东西对和错的
最后一道防线。他们应当有一些较常人高的底线。即使这个社会短期走了弯路,法官和教师应当坚持, 即使他们的行为被当时的社会觉得错了。

当然, 在实际生活中,不是所有的法官和教师都能做到这一点。但是这样的法官和教
师还是不少的。(至少在我的一个官司中, 一个保守的法官的最后判决还是令我佩服
的。)我也认识几个老师有这种特点。 但是,华人中的老师这样的少。从大陆来的华
人老师很容易就接受一个短期的既定事实, 然后找理由来解释。 不知道这个是与我们的文化背景有关, 还是因为生存的原因。

【 在 buckshot000 () 的大作中提到: 】
I found it amusing again. I had no idea what you are tying to achieve in
this thread. Now I know. you are role-playing as Hillary to recreate the
epic loss of her campaign.
You are dissing and belittling Chinese on a Chinese bbs and somehow hoping
to win the argument, just like calling her own voter deplorable.
You are hyping issues that won't resonate with the audience, feeling
compassionate and victorious without realizing the level of inconsistency : and hypocrisy between your stance and arguments. Calling T crooked is just
like Hillary calling Trump puppet in a debate.
you don't even know where the goal is in a discussion like this, but
...................
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buckshot000
132 楼
我希望的是左右小幅摇摆,现在该担心的是左派4年后还是没好的人选,希拉里是民主
党很差的选择,这次失败可能导致民主党转向极左。

【 在 WhereIsMyGCU (LifeIsTough) 的大作中提到: 】
这个我倒觉得你太急于宣布川普代表的东西胜利了。(如果川普搞砸了, 在四年【或
者两年】后,不知道你又会说什么。估计到时你一定会找出另外一个自相矛盾的说法来
圆场。政治这种东西翻盘也快得很。)
而且,按照你的逻辑,美国的内战早就结束150 周年了,这些红脖子怎么还在卡车上挂
上两面南方的旗帜拖着到处跑呢? 这不是失败了还不认输吗? 问题是人家不仅干了,
而且现在还杀回来了。
我倒觉得bigbull 的说法有些道理。 在这个社会上,法官和教师应当是东西对和错的
最后一道防线。他们应当有一些较常人高的底线。即使这个社会短期走了弯路,法官和
教师应当坚持, 即使他们的行为被当时的社会觉得错了。
当然, 在实际生活中,不是所有的法官和教师都能做到这一点。但是这样的法官和教
...................
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coarsening
133 楼
据最新数据,Hillary输掉了popular vote

【 在 bigbull (bigbull) 的大作中提到: 】
Just for your reference, Hillary won the popular vote. Probably you don't : even understand what I was talking about. Either having a pathetic
vocabulary or simply you just don't follow the election statistics.
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digua
134 楼
CNN说的?已经更正说搞错了。

【 在 coarsening (草枯鹰眼疾, 雪尽马蹄轻) 的大作中提到: 】
据最新数据,Hillary输掉了popular vote
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Emerald01
135 楼
老太上来办卡慢点,但不会卡你也不会关你。老创上来说不准啊,玩意来个一锅端,到时候是公平了,没拿卡的甭管老莫老中全是非法移民了,特别公平。。。第二步,现在合法的也可以再审。。。第三步,警察看到长相不合群的说话有口音的,拿不出护照就地遣返。。。以后老中华裔天天把蓝皮贴额头上怕被骚扰,好日子到时就没边了

【 在 xigua2015 (天时地利人和) 的大作中提到: 】
我觉得很奇怪啊,难道H上台你们就能很容易拿卡吗?
H是对非法移民大方,好像也从来没说过给合法移民福利吧
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Roshou16
136 楼
先生们为什么没人觉得,破坏三权分立是个大事儿?政治正确高于三权分立,这在历史上从来没有好结果吧?

说到短期利益,我觉得主党的所作所为离驱逐华人更近,比如细分和以公平为名的各种歧视。先生们觉得还不够?

Trump只要不准备葬送美国经济,他就不敢把华人怎么样,先生们怎么看?
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lobby
137 楼
我想知道这所有投给明主党的选票里有多少是非法移民/不具备投票资格人投的非法票。
目前为止所见的所有龌龊事都是明主党支持者干的:推特等社交媒体上伪造独对投川普的中国人的所谓“白人歧视”,选票舞弊,左派媒体歪曲事实煽风点火,败选就打砸烧无所不用其极(你见过共和党支持者这么对奥巴马当选吗)……

【 在 bigbull (bigbull) 的大作中提到: 】
Hillary won the popular vote plus the turn-out rate is rather low. Can the
Trump's victory represent the whole electorate? Clearly no. Procedurally, : yes Trump did win. There is another term, probably you never hear of, it's
called tyranny of the majority. 还有一点,这个国家都是文科生统治的, 没你的
份。请分清文科和社会科学不是一回事。
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lobby
138 楼
我想知道这所有投给民主党的选票里有多少是非法移民/不具备投票资格人投的非法票。
目前为止所见的所有龌龊事都是民主党支持者干的:推特等社交媒体上伪造独对投川普的中国人的所谓“白人歧视”,选票舞弊,左派媒体歪曲事实煽风点火,败选就打砸烧无所不用其极(你见过共和党支持者这么对奥巴马当选吗)……

【 在 bigbull (bigbull) 的大作中提到: 】
Hillary won the popular vote plus the turn-out rate is rather low. Can the
Trump's victory represent the whole electorate? Clearly no. Procedurally, : yes Trump did win. There is another term, probably you never hear of, it's
called tyranny of the majority. 还有一点,这个国家都是文科生统治的, 没你的
份。请分清文科和社会科学不是一回事。
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bigbull
139 楼
Just a correction to your again incorrect wild guess, I spent 80% of my time in graduate school studying mathematics and statistics. Sorry on another
account.

【 在 buckshot000 () 的大作中提到: 】
I found it amusing again. I had no idea what you are tying to achieve in
this thread. Now I know. you are role-playing as Hillary to recreate the
epic loss of her campaign.
You are dissing and belittling Chinese on a Chinese bbs and somehow hoping
to win the argument, just like calling her own voter deplorable.
You are hyping issues that won't resonate with the audience, feeling
compassionate and victorious without realizing the level of inconsistency : and hypocrisy between your stance and arguments. Calling T crooked is just
like Hillary calling Trump puppet in a debate.
you don't even know where the goal is in a discussion like this, but
...................
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WhereIsMyGCU
140 楼
> 你见过共和党支持者这么对奥巴马当选吗

太多了。比如奥巴的出生证, 比如说奥巴的宗教信仰, 比如故意夸大选举作弊实际上自己想搞选举压迫,。。。

这些政治上的恶劣行径两党都干。哪方更可接受些完全取决于个人。

【 在 lobby (Judy) 的大作中提到: 】
我想知道这所有投给民主党的选票里有多少是非法移民/不具备投票资格人投的非法
票。
目前为止所见的所有龌龊事都是民主党支持者干的:推特等社交媒体上伪造独对投川普
的中国人的所谓“白人歧视”,选票舞弊,左派媒体歪曲事实煽风点火,败选就打砸烧
无所不用其极(你见过共和党支持者这么对奥巴马当选吗)……
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digua
141 楼
两边的激进份子都差不多吧...
http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/13/politics/donald-trump-60-minutes-first-interview/index.html

Washington (CNN)Donald Trump on Sunday told his supporters to stop harassing minorities, in his first televised sit-down interview since becoming
President-elect.

"I am so saddened to hear that," Trump told CBS' Lesley Stahl on "60 Minutes" when she said Latinos and Muslims are facing harassment. "And I say, 'Stop it.' If it -- if it helps, I will say this, and I will say right to the
cameras: 'Stop it.'"

【 在 lobby (Judy) 的大作中提到: 】
我想知道这所有投给民主党的选票里有多少是非法移民/不具备投票资格人投的非法
票。
目前为止所见的所有龌龊事都是民主党支持者干的:推特等社交媒体上伪造独对投川普
的中国人的所谓“白人歧视”,选票舞弊,左派媒体歪曲事实煽风点火,败选就打砸烧
无所不用其极(你见过共和党支持者这么对奥巴马当选吗)……
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lobby
142 楼
你这是转移话题混淆视听,我的括号内容放在"打砸烧"后面,专指"打砸烧"。

【 在 WhereIsMyGCU (LifeIsTough) 的大作中提到: 】
> 你见过共和党支持者这么对奥巴马当选吗
太多了。比如奥巴的出生证, 比如说奥巴的宗教信仰, 比如故意夸大选举作弊实际上
自己想搞选举压迫,。。。
这些政治上的恶劣行径两党都干。哪方更可接受些完全取决于个人。
票。
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lobby
143 楼
有视频有图片吗?全是我"听说",还是左逼CNN的报道。

【 在 digua (姚之FAN) 的大作中提到: 】
两边的激进份子都差不多吧...
http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/13/politics/donald-trump-60-minutes-first-interview/index.html
Washington (CNN)Donald Trump on Sunday told his supporters to stop
harassing
minorities, in his first televised sit-down interview since becoming
President-elect.
"I am so saddened to hear that," Trump told CBS' Lesley Stahl on "60
Minutes
" when she said Latinos and Muslims are facing harassment. "And I say, '
Stop
it.' If it -- if it helps, I will say this, and I will say right to the
cameras: 'Stop it.'"
票。
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WhereIsMyGCU
144 楼
如果你经历过 2008 的选举,你应当对这个不奇怪。

如果你仍然觉得我“转移话题混淆视听,”我向你道歉。这个方面的进一步讨论在美新版更合适。

【 在 lobby (Judy) 的大作中提到: 】
你这是转移话题混淆视听,我的括号内容放在"打砸烧"后面,专指"打砸烧"。
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digua
145 楼
视频和图片,肯定也是你说的左逼拍的,不可信。除了左逼,谁会报道这些事呢。

【 在 lobby (Judy) 的大作中提到: 】
有视频有图片吗?全是我"听说",还是左逼CNN的报道。
harassing
Minutes
Stop
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bigbull
146 楼
还有一点我想指出来, 当有些人口口声声以事实为依据时,用的是name-calling, 左
逼左逼这么骂,这已经失去任何有意义讨论的基础了。这与文革红卫兵有何差别。

【 在 digua (姚之FAN) 的大作中提到: 】
视频和图片,肯定也是你说的左逼拍的,不可信。除了左逼,谁会报道这些事呢。
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lobby
147 楼
haha这还需要报道吗?这么多在美这么多年的合法中国移民投给共和党,他们遭受的所
有白人歧视加起来还没一个AA来得多。他们不反对付稅接济真正需要的人,他们反对的是賦稅给不劳而获,整天无所事事甚至犯罪的非法者.共和党也一直提案给高科技人才
绿卡工作机会,美国不需要只会动嘴皮子在网上唯恐天下不乱的"人才"。

【 在 digua (姚之FAN) 的大作中提到: 】
视频和图片,肯定也是你说的左逼拍的,不可信。除了左逼,谁会报道这些事呢。
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lobby
148 楼
那换句话说:美国不需要你这种只会动嘴皮子在网上唯恐天下不乱的"人才"。

【 在 bigbull (bigbull) 的大作中提到: 】
还有一点我想指出来, 当有些人口口声声以事实为依据时,用的是name-calling, 左
逼左逼这么骂,这已经失去任何有意义讨论的基础了。这与文革红卫兵有何差别。
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bigbull
149 楼
对此刻我会闭嘴的,不过我会动笔的 :) 那比在网上骂人逼要有效得多。千万别让你的孩子上大学不得不读我的文章。几率很大 :)

【 在 lobby (Judy) 的大作中提到: 】
那换句话说:美国不需要你这种只会动嘴皮子在网上唯恐天下不乱的"人才"。
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digua
150 楼
当年文革把人分成左派和右派,现在是左逼和右逼,sigh...

【 在 bigbull (bigbull) 的大作中提到: 】
还有一点我想指出来, 当有些人口口声声以事实为依据时,用的是name-calling, 左
逼左逼这么骂,这已经失去任何有意义讨论的基础了。这与文革红卫兵有何差别。
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lobby
151 楼
我还有正经工作要做,没工夫跟"您"在这里斗嘴皮。

在 bigbull (bigbull) 的大作中提到: 】
对此刻我会闭嘴的,不过我会动笔的 :) 那比在网上骂人逼要有效得多。千万别让你
的孩子上大学不得不读我的文章。几率很大 :)
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stoppingtime
152 楼
【 在 bigbull (bigbull) 的大作中提到: 】
还有一点我想指出来, 当有些人口口声声以事实为依据时,用的是name-calling, 左
逼左逼这么骂,这已经失去任何有意义讨论的基础了。这与文革红卫兵有何差别。
说得好。请你从自己做起。
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nonpareil
153 楼
我无意争论,只想听听您对这个学术争议的看法:

有几个搞社会科学的教授声称从数学上证明了
Diversity Trumps Ability,
写成了文章发在PNAS上,后来还写了书。但是UC Davis的一个数学教授发现了那个
所谓的证明里面的错误,写了一片稿子
Does Diversity Trump Ability?
发在Notices of the American Mathematical Society 上,然后就踩了那几个人的
尾巴,在后来的一期Notices of AMS上吵了起来。
http://www.ams.org/notices/201409/rnoti-p1024.pdfhttp://www.ams.org/notices/201501/rnoti-p9.pdf

【 在 bigbull (bigbull) 的大作中提到: 】
Just a correction to your again incorrect wild guess, I spent 80% of my
time
in graduate school studying mathematics and statistics. Sorry on another : account.
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Tianshu
154 楼
trump说了stop it! 打砸抢好几天了,奥巴马出来说过话吗
【 在 digua (姚之FAN) 的大作中提到: 】
两边的激进份子都差不多吧...
http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/13/politics/donald-trump-60-minutes-first-interview/index.html
Washington (CNN)Donald Trump on Sunday told his supporters to stop
harassing
minorities, in his first televised sit-down interview since becoming
President-elect.
"I am so saddened to hear that," Trump told CBS' Lesley Stahl on "60
Minutes
" when she said Latinos and Muslims are facing harassment. "And I say, '
Stop
it.' If it -- if it helps, I will say this, and I will say right to the
cameras: 'Stop it.'"
票。
e
ernst2002
155 楼
这人就是条疯狗

【 在 Foxman (今狐冲) 的大作中提到: 】
看来也知道丢人,注册个新手上路来开骂,这不是猥琐什么是猥琐
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Milanol
156 楼
希拉里是要继承奥巴马移民方案的。奥巴马就是DEM否决STEM绿卡的最后一道关口。GOP冲破过参院,但是没过总统这关。

他们否决的理由就是要把非法移民与合法移民绑在一起出台移民改革的法律。

希拉里什么时候承诺过单独立法给STEM绿卡了?明显是和1100万非法移民捆绑着一起解决。显然和党会拒绝接受大赦非法移民,然后希拉里就可以说,不是我不遵守竞选承诺,是共和党议员不给你们STEM绿卡。

现在的情况明摆着。如果参议院再次提出STEM绿卡,President Clinton会像他的前任
Obama一样否决,而President Trump一定会通过(哪怕Sessions不高兴)。

【 在 Foxman (今狐冲) 的大作中提到: 】
1. Hillary没说过暂停职业移民
2. Hillary承诺Stem Graduate Degree直接发绿卡
第二点Marco Rubio承诺过,Ted Cruz承诺过,Hillary 承诺过
恰恰川普没承诺。他最接近的一次就是一次辩论中附和Marco Rubio
但后来到Michigan来了一趟就back off,移民政策基本上交给Sessions了
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Dimos
157 楼
如果美国变成了充满穆斯林难民的北墨西哥,H1B或者绿卡还有什么意思?用脑子想想
什么更重要。
【 在 Foxman (今狐冲) 的大作中提到: 】
漂亮话都会说,我就问投了DT的发考题们
如果DT让赛西施暂停职业移民
各位敢跟你们的中国学生直承你选了DT吗?
恐怕到时候都成了隐私了吧
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bigbull
158 楼
This will be my last response in this thread since we are all busy people.
To be honest, I am not in a position to adjudicate between the two sides
since I don't have sufficient expertise on either; nor do I have time to
read both the article and the book for an in-depth understand of the problem. But it looks like the mathematician criticizes the "so-claimed" proved
mathematical theorem as a total sham whereas the two psychologists refute
that the mathematician missed a condition that they laid out in their book. I have to admit that math used outside the discipline of mathematics is kind of loose in one way or another, probably even including that in physics. In social sciences, proofs or derivations usually come with assumptions, and
sometimes even very strong assumptions. Maybe the mathematician missed
something here. Who knows? It is probably an overstatement that "diversity
is always a good thing even without the theorem." But in many cases/examples across a wide array of disciplines, this is simply a fact that's been
proven/observed many many times. Is the relationship causal? Not sure. To
extrapolate across the board? Well there is always exception.

【 在 nonpareil (一失足成千古恨,再回头已百年身) 的大作中提到: 】
我无意争论,只想听听您对这个学术争议的看法:
有几个搞社会科学的教授声称从数学上证明了
Diversity Trumps Ability,
写成了文章发在PNAS上,后来还写了书。但是UC Davis的一个数学教授发现了那个
所谓的证明里面的错误,写了一片稿子
Does Diversity Trump Ability?
发在Notices of the American Mathematical Society 上,然后就踩了那几个人的
尾巴,在后来的一期Notices of AMS上吵了起来。
http://www.ams.org/notices/201409/rnoti-p1024.pdf
http://www.ams.org/notices/201501/rnoti-p9.pdf
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GoLost
159 楼
前面已经说了无数次,川普不是传统意义的共和党,
川普是民主党极左民粹+共和党极右保守势力
如果还需要我再重复,只能证明我前面说的,就是你们其实根本不了解不关心移民问题你们只是把反非移作为一个口号来满足你们少缴税的实际目标。
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这属于毫不负责任的瞎扯蛋,你具体说说他哪一点支持你的结论,媒体的扭曲不算。