What most distinguished EDVAC from ENIAC is that it used stored programs, so that instructions did not have to be input repeatedly. Von Neumann, an ambitious and talented mathematician, had learned of the ENIAC project in August, 1944, during a chance conversation with Herman Goldstine while awaiting a train. https://www.amphilsoc.org/exhibits/treasures/vonneuma.htm#:~:text=What% 20most%20distinguished%20EDVAC%20from,Goldstine%20while%20awaiting%20a% 20train.
【 在 guvest (我爱你老婆Anna) 的大作中提到: 】 : What most distinguished EDVAC from ENIAC is that it used stored programs, so : that instructions did not have to be input repeatedly. Von Neumann, an : ambitious and talented mathematician, had learned of the ENIAC project in : August, 1944, during a chance conversation with Herman Goldstine while : awaiting a train. : https://www.amphilsoc.org/exhibits/treasures/vonneuma.htm#:~:text=What% : 20most%20distinguished%20EDVAC%20from,Goldstine%20while%20awaiting%20a% : 20train. : 冯诺依曼如何混成千千万万无数人脑子里的第一代计算机的代表的。 : 那就是个高端技巧了。 : ...................
The first complete mathematical formulation of this approach, known as the Dirac–von Neumann axioms, is generally credited to John von Neumann's 1932 book Mathematical Foundations of Quantum Mechanics, although Hermann Weyl had already referred to Hilbert spaces (which he called unitary spaces) in his 1927 classic paper and book. It was developed in parallel with a new approach to the mathematical spectral theory based on linear operators rather than the quadratic forms that were David Hilbert's approach a generation earlier. Though theories of quantum mechanics continue to evolve to this day, there is a basic framework for the mathematical formulation of quantum mechanics which underlies most approaches and can be traced back to the mathematical work of John von Neumann. In other words, discussions about interpretation of the theory, and extensions to it, are now mostly conducted on the basis of shared assumptions about the mathematical foundations.
【 在 Caravel (克拉维尔) 的大作中提到: 】 : 数学基础对进一步发展非常重要，物理学家基本是不会证明的。现在学advanced : quantum mechanics就是用的Von Neumann的框架，Hilbert space，obeservable这些东 : 西。如果是refactoring，这也是non-trivial refactoring。 : The first complete mathematical formulation of this approach, known as the : Dirac–von Neumann axioms, is generally credited to John von Neumann's 1932 : book Mathematical Foundations of Quantum Mechanics, although Hermann Weyl : had already referred to Hilbert spaces (which he called unitary spaces) in : his 1927 classic paper and book. It was developed in parallel with a new : approach to the mathematical spectral theory based on linear operators : rather than the quadratic forms that were David Hilbert's approach a : ...................
但是如果看這世界上大部分名人，其實都不是靠的他實際的產出，而是一種人設。 【 在 guvest (我爱你老婆Anna) 的大作中提到: 】 : What most distinguished EDVAC from ENIAC is that it used stored programs, so : that instructions did not have to be input repeatedly. Von Neumann, an : ambitious and talented mathematician, had learned of the ENIAC project in : August, 1944, during a chance conversation with Herman Goldstine while : awaiting a train. : https://www.amphilsoc.org/exhibits/treasures/vonneuma.htm#:~:text=What% : 20most%20distinguished%20EDVAC%20from,Goldstine%20while%20awaiting%20a% : 20train. : 冯诺依曼如何混成千千万万无数人脑子里的第一代计算机的代表的。 : 那就是个高端技巧了。 : ...................
充分说明了火车要准点的重要性、 【 在 guvest (我爱你老婆Anna) 的大作中提到: 】 : What most distinguished EDVAC from ENIAC is that it used stored programs, so : that instructions did not have to be input repeatedly. Von Neumann, an : ambitious and talented mathematician, had learned of the ENIAC project in : August, 1944, during a chance conversation with Herman Goldstine while : awaiting a train. : https://www.amphilsoc.org/exhibits/treasures/vonneuma.htm#:~:text=What% : 20most%20distinguished%20EDVAC%20from,Goldstine%20while%20awaiting%20a% : 20train. : 冯诺依曼如何混成千千万万无数人脑子里的第一代计算机的代表的。 : 那就是个高端技巧了。 : ...................
【 在 guvest (我爱你老婆Anna) 的大作中提到: 】 : What most distinguished EDVAC from ENIAC is that it used stored programs, so : that instructions did not have to be input repeatedly. Von Neumann, an : ambitious and talented mathematician, had learned of the ENIAC project in : August, 1944, during a chance conversation with Herman Goldstine while : awaiting a train. : https://www.amphilsoc.org/exhibits/treasures/vonneuma.htm#:~:text=What% : 20most%20distinguished%20EDVAC%20from,Goldstine%20while%20awaiting%20a% : 20train. : 冯诺依曼如何混成千千万万无数人脑子里的第一代计算机的代表的。 : 那就是个高端技巧了。 : ...................
【1】https://www.historyofinformation.com/detail.php?id=639 On October 19, 1973 Eckert and Mauchly’s ENIAC patent was ruled invalid in the case of Honeywell Inc. v. Sperry Rand Corporation et alOffsite Link, largely because of John von Neumann's prior theoretical description of the machine that was circulated in his First Draft of a Report on the EDVAC.
【2】 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Draft_of_a_Report_on_the_EDVAC The treatment of the preliminary report as a publication (in the legal sense) was the source of bitter acrimony between factions of the EDVAC design team for two reasons.[3] First, publication amounted to a public disclosure that prevented the EDVAC from being patented; second, some on the EDVAC design team contended that the stored-program concept had evolved out of meetings at the University of Pennsylvania's Moore School of Electrical Engineering predating von Neumann's activity as a consultant there, and that much of the work represented in the First Draft was no more than a translation of the discussed concepts into the language of formal logic in which von Neumann was fluent. Hence, failure of von Neumann and Goldstine to list others as authors on the First Draft led credit to be attributed to von Neumann alone. (See Matthew effect and Stigler's law.)
Friends, there must be a name for a person who knows every single irrelevant detail abt the business but has absolutely no idea what's going on. Has a conversation rich in buzzwords, is present at every function, convention, etc. That person exists in every single activity. ----NNT新发的twitter
What most distinguished EDVAC from ENIAC is that it used stored programs, so that instructions did not have to be input repeatedly. Von Neumann, an
ambitious and talented mathematician, had learned of the ENIAC project in
August, 1944, during a chance conversation with Herman Goldstine while
awaiting a train.
https://www.amphilsoc.org/exhibits/treasures/vonneuma.htm#:~:text=What%
20most%20distinguished%20EDVAC%20from,Goldstine%20while%20awaiting%20a%
20train.
冯诺依曼如何混成千千万万无数人脑子里的第一代计算机的代表的。
那就是个高端技巧了。
这个故事告诉我们，在生活中似乎应该少与聪明人交谈。
只与懂得“朴”这个概念之人相处。
不懂这个道理的，吃亏醒悟之后可能会精神病，例如下面这位：
n6fNXtzkRbTP9teVXgl00eg-BJH2iS9ow
他原创性和持久性差一点，但是确实跑得快。不可否认，确实智力超群，学什么都快。30年代，很多物理学家都还没有学明白量子力学，他已经看懂了，还奠定了量子力学的数学基础，希尔伯特空间这些。
game theory，随便搞搞也开创一个领域
还有元胞自动机，最初也是von Neumann的一个小文章
再加上计算机。
【 在 guvest (我爱你老婆Anna) 的大作中提到: 】
: What most distinguished EDVAC from ENIAC is that it used stored programs, so
: that instructions did not have to be input repeatedly. Von Neumann, an
: ambitious and talented mathematician, had learned of the ENIAC project in : August, 1944, during a chance conversation with Herman Goldstine while
: awaiting a train.
: https://www.amphilsoc.org/exhibits/treasures/vonneuma.htm#:~:text=What%
: 20most%20distinguished%20EDVAC%20from,Goldstine%20while%20awaiting%20a%
: 20train.
: 冯诺依曼如何混成千千万万无数人脑子里的第一代计算机的代表的。
: 那就是个高端技巧了。
: ...................
量子力学有个毛的数学基础。
各路专家做的事情，类似于软件之refactor，
那都是为了在学校里割韭菜。教育方便。
看过大话西游吗？紧箍咒就是给你定做的。
“说起
那个金刚圈，去年我在陈家村认识了一位铁匠，他手工精美、价钱又公道、童叟无欺，干脆我介绍你再定做一个吧！”
【2】
流体力学你找个10年以上的一线工程师问问。
最后就是实验科学，瞎fitting。更何况量子力学。
干活能靠背别人的refactor吗？
【3】
这又好比AMD涨了一百倍之后，股神出来给咱们讲个理论，
这是为啥为啥发生的。怎么怎么样，谁是什么什么的代表，谁多神奇，多牛逼。
股票版一堆这种笨蛋就喜欢跟从这些refactor大师，wrapper大师的马后炮总结。
这是类似的。
【 在 Caravel (克拉维尔) 的大作中提到: 】
: 他原创性和持久性差一点，但是确实跑得快。不可否认，确实智力超群，学什么都快。
: 30年代，很多物理学家都还没有学明白量子力学，他已经看懂了，还奠定了量子力学的
: 数学基础，希尔伯特空间这些。
: game theory，随便搞搞也开创一个领域
: 还有元胞自动机，最初也是von Neumann的一个小文章
: 再加上计算机。
: so
数学基础对进一步发展非常重要，物理学家基本是不会证明的。现在学advanced
quantum mechanics就是用的Von Neumann的框架，Hilbert space，obeservable这些东西。如果是refactoring，这也是non-trivial refactoring。
The first complete mathematical formulation of this approach, known as the
Dirac–von Neumann axioms, is generally credited to John von Neumann's 1932 book Mathematical Foundations of Quantum Mechanics, although Hermann Weyl
had already referred to Hilbert spaces (which he called unitary spaces) in
his 1927 classic paper and book. It was developed in parallel with a new
approach to the mathematical spectral theory based on linear operators
rather than the quadratic forms that were David Hilbert's approach a
generation earlier. Though theories of quantum mechanics continue to evolve to this day, there is a basic framework for the mathematical formulation of quantum mechanics which underlies most approaches and can be traced back to the mathematical work of John von Neumann. In other words, discussions about interpretation of the theory, and extensions to it, are now mostly
conducted on the basis of shared assumptions about the mathematical
foundations.
【 在 chebyshev (......) 的大作中提到: 】
: 量子力学有个毛的数学基础。
: 各路专家做的事情，类似于软件之refactor，
: 那都是为了在学校里割韭菜。教育方便。
: 看过大话西游吗？紧箍咒就是给你定做的。
: “说起
: 那个金刚圈，去年我在陈家村认识了一位铁匠，他手工精美、价钱又公道、童叟无欺，
: 干脆我介绍你再定做一个吧！”
: 流体力学你找个10年以上的一线工程师问问。
: 最后就是实验科学，瞎fitting。更何况量子力学。
: 干活能靠背别人的refactor吗？
: ...................
你应该说：在学校学advanced XXX 以及考试用的是von neumann的框架。
refactor当然有竞争。我对此没什么看法。也不关心。
但那不属于科学发现的逻辑的一部分。是另一个阶段的事情。
我其实不褒贬什么东西。
但是希望把category分准确。不然就糊涂了。该用钳子的时候，拿出了
裤衩就麻烦了。
【 在 Caravel (克拉维尔) 的大作中提到: 】
: 数学基础对进一步发展非常重要，物理学家基本是不会证明的。现在学advanced
: quantum mechanics就是用的Von Neumann的框架，Hilbert space，obeservable这些东
: 西。如果是refactoring，这也是non-trivial refactoring。
: The first complete mathematical formulation of this approach, known as the
: Dirac–von Neumann axioms, is generally credited to John von Neumann's
1932
: book Mathematical Foundations of Quantum Mechanics, although Hermann Weyl : had already referred to Hilbert spaces (which he called unitary spaces) in
: his 1927 classic paper and book. It was developed in parallel with a new
: approach to the mathematical spectral theory based on linear operators
: rather than the quadratic forms that were David Hilbert's approach a
: ...................
馮的是聰明，智力高，一般人這麼搞可能會被打壓，但是他成功地把這個搞成了一種人設，所以很多名頭得來全部費功夫。
但是如果看這世界上大部分名人，其實都不是靠的他實際的產出，而是一種人設。
【 在 guvest (我爱你老婆Anna) 的大作中提到: 】
: What most distinguished EDVAC from ENIAC is that it used stored programs, so
: that instructions did not have to be input repeatedly. Von Neumann, an
: ambitious and talented mathematician, had learned of the ENIAC project in : August, 1944, during a chance conversation with Herman Goldstine while
: awaiting a train.
: https://www.amphilsoc.org/exhibits/treasures/vonneuma.htm#:~:text=What%
: 20most%20distinguished%20EDVAC%20from,Goldstine%20while%20awaiting%20a%
: 20train.
: 冯诺依曼如何混成千千万万无数人脑子里的第一代计算机的代表的。
: 那就是个高端技巧了。
: ...................
麦克斯韦方程也是refactoring，那些定律都是别人做实验发现的，von neumann能第一个formulate量子理论也是重要贡献，当时全世界数学家有几个人懂量子力学？
隔行如隔山，当时von Neumann学习量子理论唯一的办法是去读物理学论文，光这一项
对大部分数学家都是一辈子的课题了。而这只是老冯5分之一的精力？
【 在 chebyshev (......) 的大作中提到: 】
: 你应该说：在学校学advanced XXX 以及考试用的是von neumann的框架。
: refactor当然有竞争。我对此没什么看法。也不关心。
: 但那不属于科学发现的逻辑的一部分。是另一个阶段的事情。
: 我其实不褒贬什么东西。
: 但是希望把category分准确。不然就糊涂了。该用钳子的时候，拿出了
: 裤衩就麻烦了。
: 1932
教学贡献归教学贡献。原创突破归原创突破。
我只是想弄准分类而已。并不是说教学与传播没有价值。
谁觉得什么东西有价值，那是个人的事情。
但是学习与办事的时候，弄不准分类，拿裤衩去钉钉子，
就会出问题。
【 在 Caravel (克拉维尔) 的大作中提到: 】
: 麦克斯韦方程也是refactoring，那些定律都是别人做实验发现的，von neumann能第一
: 个formulate量子理论也是重要贡献，当时全世界数学家有几个人懂量子力学？
: 隔行如隔山，当时von Neumann学习量子理论唯一的办法是去读物理学论文，光这一项
: 对大部分数学家都是一辈子的课题了。而这只是老冯5分之一的精力？
冯师傅转马工后，学了ENIAC，然后写个计算机设计的报告，单一作者。牛逼吧？
不说褒贬。反正这种事我干不出来。
所以碰到聪明人，我都是绕着走。
不然说不定被高级技能打晕了，还不知道怎么回事呢。
话说回来，韭菜那也是活该。你告诉他他不会听你的。
只能奉行君子远离庖厨房。
【 在 netghost (Up to Isomorphism) 的大作中提到: 】
: 馮的是聰明，智力高，一般人這麼搞可能會被打壓，但是他成功地把這個搞成了一種人
: 設，所以很多名頭得來全部費功夫。
: 但是如果看這世界上大部分名人，其實都不是靠的他實際的產出，而是一種人設。
: so
充分说明了火车要准点的重要性、
【 在 guvest (我爱你老婆Anna) 的大作中提到: 】
: What most distinguished EDVAC from ENIAC is that it used stored programs, so
: that instructions did not have to be input repeatedly. Von Neumann, an
: ambitious and talented mathematician, had learned of the ENIAC project in : August, 1944, during a chance conversation with Herman Goldstine while
: awaiting a train.
: https://www.amphilsoc.org/exhibits/treasures/vonneuma.htm#:~:text=What%
: 20most%20distinguished%20EDVAC%20from,Goldstine%20while%20awaiting%20a%
: 20train.
: 冯诺依曼如何混成千千万万无数人脑子里的第一代计算机的代表的。
: 那就是个高端技巧了。
: ...................
你要是学过集合论，证明论，递归论的话，就不会有这个结论了。这是三门课程。古典逻辑还有一个模型论，不过在这里关系不是太大。
【 在 guvest (我爱你老婆Anna) 的大作中提到: 】
: What most distinguished EDVAC from ENIAC is that it used stored programs, so
: that instructions did not have to be input repeatedly. Von Neumann, an
: ambitious and talented mathematician, had learned of the ENIAC project in : August, 1944, during a chance conversation with Herman Goldstine while
: awaiting a train.
: https://www.amphilsoc.org/exhibits/treasures/vonneuma.htm#:~:text=What%
: 20most%20distinguished%20EDVAC%20from,Goldstine%20while%20awaiting%20a%
: 20train.
: 冯诺依曼如何混成千千万万无数人脑子里的第一代计算机的代表的。
: 那就是个高端技巧了。
: ...................
> 冯师傅转马工后，学了ENIAC，然后写个计算机设计的报告，单一作者。牛逼吧？
Bro, get your facts straight before whining. Johnny never put his own name
to "First Draft of a Report on the EDVAC" (somebody else did that)
【 在 chebyshev (......) 的大作中提到: 】
: 冯师傅转马工后，学了ENIAC，然后写个计算机设计的报告，单一作者。牛逼吧？
: 不说褒贬。反正这种事我干不出来。
: 所以碰到聪明人，我都是绕着走。
: 不然说不定被高级技能打晕了，还不知道怎么回事呢。
: 话说回来，韭菜那也是活该。你告诉他他不会听你的。
: 只能奉行君子远离庖厨房。
作者难道不是以发表的结果为准？"别人把名字放上去的",此说的根据何在。link?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Draft_of_a_Report_on_the_EDVAC#/media/
File:Firstdraftofrepo00vonn_0003.jpg
这个图上的作者名，是别人未经其许可放上去的？这个可能性大不大。
如果作者不是他，这个报告作为历史上影响力最大的之一，他有无数次机会来纠正，对不对。
ENIAC的专利官司打到了1973年。
我说的东西的根据在：
【1】https://www.historyofinformation.com/detail.php?id=639
On October 19, 1973 Eckert and Mauchly’s ENIAC patent was ruled invalid in the case of Honeywell Inc. v. Sperry Rand Corporation et alOffsite Link,
largely because of John von Neumann's prior theoretical description of the
machine that was circulated in his First Draft of a Report on the EDVAC.
【2】 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Draft_of_a_Report_on_the_EDVAC
The treatment of the preliminary report as a publication (in the legal sense) was the source of bitter acrimony between factions of the EDVAC design
team for two reasons.[3] First, publication amounted to a public disclosure that prevented the EDVAC from being patented; second, some on the EDVAC
design team contended that the stored-program concept had evolved out of
meetings at the University of Pennsylvania's Moore School of Electrical
Engineering predating von Neumann's activity as a consultant there, and that much of the work represented in the First Draft was no more than a
translation of the discussed concepts into the language of formal logic in
which von Neumann was fluent. Hence, failure of von Neumann and Goldstine to list others as authors on the First Draft led credit to be attributed to
von Neumann alone. (See Matthew effect and Stigler's law.)
【 在 dailygrind16(天天绞肉机) 的大作中提到: 】
:
Friends, there must be a name for a person who knows every single irrelevant detail abt the business but has absolutely no idea what's going on. Has a conversation rich in buzzwords, is present at every function, convention,
etc.
That person exists in every single activity.
----NNT新发的twitter
【 在 ytge (rabbit) 的大作中提到: 】
: 你要是学过集合论，证明论，递归论的话，就不会有这个结论了。这是三门课程。古典
: 逻辑还有一个模型论，不过在这里关系不是太大。
: so
von Neumann不应该是码农的祖师爷之一么