Last week, news broke that famous UK-based artificial intelligence research lab DeepMind was stacking up huge losses for its parent company Alphabet Inc. According to documents filed with the UK’s Companies House registry, DeepMind’s incurred $570 million in losses in 2018, up from $341 million in 2017.
【 在 Caravel (克拉维尔) 的大作中提到: 】 : 一年要烧570million，虽然他们研究做的确实不错，不时能做点头条出来，还有做基础 : 理论。但是每年亏损，也不长久啊 : Last week, news broke that famous UK-based artificial intelligence research : lab DeepMind was stacking up huge losses for its parent company Alphabet Inc : . According to documents filed with the UK’s Companies House registry, : DeepMind’s incurred $570 million in losses in 2018, up from $341 million in : 2017.
除了工资和机器，他们还有什么支出吗？为什么会亏这么多 【 在 Caravel (克拉维尔) 的大作中提到: 】 : 一年要烧570million，虽然他们研究做的确实不错，不时能做点头条出来，还有做基础 : 理论。但是每年亏损，也不长久啊 : Last week, news broke that famous UK-based artificial intelligence research : lab DeepMind was stacking up huge losses for its parent company Alphabet Inc : . According to documents filed with the UK’s Companies House registry, : DeepMind’s incurred $570 million in losses in 2018, up from $341 million in : 2017.
【 在 Caravel (克拉维尔) 的大作中提到: 】 : 一年要烧570million，虽然他们研究做的确实不错，不时能做点头条出来，还有做基础 : 理论。但是每年亏损，也不长久啊 : Last week, news broke that famous UK-based artificial intelligence research : lab DeepMind was stacking up huge losses for its parent company Alphabet Inc : . According to documents filed with the UK’s Companies House registry, : DeepMind’s incurred $570 million in losses in 2018, up from $341 million in : 2017.
Google fought off Facebook to acquire DeepMind — a London-based artificial intelligence (AI) lab working on solving artificial general intelligence — in 2014 for a reported $600 million but not everyone at Google saw it as a smart move.
The lack of revenue generated by DeepMind is reportedly one of the main issues for some Google staff. Others are annoyed by the fact that DeepMind has a "special status" within the Alphabet group that allows it to work on projects that may not deliver results for decades.
The report states that DeepMind also failed to successfully develop improved video recommendation software for YouTube. Teams from DeepMind and YouTube reportedly struggled to work across time zones, while there were also disagreements about data sharing.
【 在 Caravel(克拉维尔) 的大作中提到: 】 <br>: 这里有些爆料 <br>: https://www.forbes.com/sites/samshead/2018/04/20/googles-complex- <br>: relationship-with-deepmind-gets-exposed/#31d9a7a817d6 <br>: Google fought off Facebook to acquire DeepMind — a London-based artificial <br>: intelligence (AI) lab working on solving artificial general intelligence — <br>: in 2014 for a reported $600 million but not everyone at Google saw it as a <br>: smart move. <br>: The lack of revenue generated by DeepMind is reportedly one of the main <br>: issues for some Google staff. Others are annoyed by the fact that DeepMind <br>: has a "special status" within the Alphabet group that allows it to work on : ................... <br>
【 在 Caravel (克拉维尔) 的大作中提到: 】 : 这里有些爆料 : https://www.forbes.com/sites/samshead/2018/04/20/googles-complex- : relationship-with-deepmind-gets-exposed/#31d9a7a817d6 : Google fought off Facebook to acquire DeepMind — a London-based artificial : intelligence (AI) lab working on solving artificial general intelligence — : in 2014 for a reported $600 million but not everyone at Google saw it as a : smart move. : The lack of revenue generated by DeepMind is reportedly one of the main : issues for some Google staff. Others are annoyed by the fact that DeepMind : has a "special status" within the Alphabet group that allows it to work on : ...................
一年要烧570million，虽然他们研究做的确实不错，不时能做点头条出来，还有做基础理论。但是每年亏损，也不长久啊
Last week, news broke that famous UK-based artificial intelligence research lab DeepMind was stacking up huge losses for its parent company Alphabet Inc. According to documents filed with the UK’s Companies House registry,
DeepMind’s incurred $570 million in losses in 2018, up from $341 million in 2017.
大AI这么火、当然可以一直烧下去
这点钱根本不算事
小钱。
【 在 Caravel (克拉维尔) 的大作中提到: 】
: 一年要烧570million，虽然他们研究做的确实不错，不时能做点头条出来，还有做基础
: 理论。但是每年亏损，也不长久啊
: Last week, news broke that famous UK-based artificial intelligence
research
: lab DeepMind was stacking up huge losses for its parent company Alphabet
Inc
: . According to documents filed with the UK’s Companies House registry,
: DeepMind’s incurred $570 million in losses in 2018, up from $341 million in
: 2017.
年景好不在乎，一差就扛不住了
【 在 ananpig (●○ 安安猪) 的大作中提到: 】
: 小钱。
: research
: Inc
: in
除了工资和机器，他们还有什么支出吗？为什么会亏这么多
【 在 Caravel (克拉维尔) 的大作中提到: 】
: 一年要烧570million，虽然他们研究做的确实不错，不时能做点头条出来，还有做基础
: 理论。但是每年亏损，也不长久啊
: Last week, news broke that famous UK-based artificial intelligence
research
: lab DeepMind was stacking up huge losses for its parent company Alphabet
Inc
: . According to documents filed with the UK’s Companies House registry,
: DeepMind’s incurred $570 million in losses in 2018, up from $341 million in
: 2017.
差旅費，營銷費在軟件公司也是大頭。
另外一個做算法的可能不少馬公支持寫軟件，搞數據等等。
【 在 hahan(从一个胜利走向另一个胜利) 的大作中提到: 】
<br>: 除了工资和机器，他们还有什么支出吗？为什么会亏这么多
<br>: research
<br>: Inc
<br>: in
<br>
office租金，utilities，各种benefits，都是钱。
【 在 hahan (从一个胜利走向另一个胜利) 的大作中提到: 】
: 除了工资和机器，他们还有什么支出吗？为什么会亏这么多
: research
: Inc
: in
他们好像金主很多。
当然他们估计也没指望挣钱吧。先花个十年再说
賺錢對他們來說並不難。難的是拿到可以賺錢的崗位。要走好幾年。
【 在 goodtudou(goodtudou) 的大作中提到: 】
: 他们好像金主很多。
: 当然他们估计也没指望挣钱吧。先花个十年再说
狗家欧洲赚的钱拿回来要交税，还不如养个PR团队
【在 Caravel(克拉维尔)的大作中提到：】
：一年要烧570million，虽然他们研究做的确实不错，不时能做点头条出来，还有做基础理论。但是每年亏损，也不长久啊
：
不觉得，靠人工智能直接搞出这么多收入不容易。如果能justify价值，他们的
internal accounting 出来的profit会是正的。
【 在 guvest (我爱你老婆Anna) 的大作中提到: 】
: 賺錢對他們來說並不難。難的是拿到可以賺錢的崗位。要走好幾年。
:
: 他们好像金主很多。
:
: 当然他们估计也没指望挣钱吧。先花个十年再说
:
更多是广告效应，当初AI击败李世石可是轰动全世界，狗家省了多少忽悠年轻人的广告费。
【 在 Caravel (克拉维尔) 的大作中提到: 】
: 不觉得，靠人工智能直接搞出这么多收入不容易。如果能justify价值，他们的
: internal accounting 出来的profit会是正的。
当年读大学的时候，系里的大牛院士对研究生师兄是这么说的：
我又拿到了多少钱，你们帮忙花掉。要买什么书订什么期刊升级电脑说，要开会报销路费也说，如果你们找到人来报告和访问，我们就去搓一顿。
你们不用担心花钱太快。你们不花钱不参加会议，企业和政府反而不会来找我。
【 在 Caravel (克拉维尔) 的大作中提到: 】
: 一年要烧570million，虽然他们研究做的确实不错，不时能做点头条出来，还有做基础
: 理论。但是每年亏损，也不长久啊
: Last week, news broke that famous UK-based artificial intelligence
research
: lab DeepMind was stacking up huge losses for its parent company Alphabet
Inc
: . According to documents filed with the UK’s Companies House registry,
: DeepMind’s incurred $570 million in losses in 2018, up from $341 million in
: 2017.
看你怎么定义
goog核心的business比如ranking都是靠ml
当然不都是deepmind搞的就是了
【 在 Caravel (克拉维尔) 的大作中提到: 】
: 不觉得，靠人工智能直接搞出这么多收入不容易。如果能justify价值，他们的
: internal accounting 出来的profit会是正的。
算法加到imagine search那個button裡面，profit不就有了。
難點是，那塊不是一般人能進去的。但凡是profit channel，都是公司政治問題的焦點。
沒有好為人師的意思。我覺得senior developer 要弄清楚這個問題。然後中國人可以
多掌控
profit channel。或者和烙印合作掌控也可以。有了profit channel,如果自己有技術
可以自己做，不然可以招新的
老中合作。没有根据地不行。
之前我講過。全球X%的消費電子產品有我做的算法芯片。這是真的。當年的技術一個月就
ready 了
。其他障礙的逐步消除，然後走到市場，培訓全球支持的人，....到xxM的销量长有。
花了好
幾年時間。
我認為公司的競爭最後都是現金流掌控。如果連goog的現金流都看不懂。那只能長期在jobhunting版了。
【 在 Caravel(克拉维尔) 的大作中提到: 】
<br>: 不觉得，靠人工智能直接搞出这么多收入不容易。如果能justify价值，
他们的
<br>: internal accounting 出来的profit会是正的。
<br>
总算来个明白人。不在核心业务。那除了发文章和做广告，確實也无事可做。我觉得不是deepmind的人沒技術的問題。
goog的ML cloud倒是给了机会，没做好。
【 在 sinical(一江春水向东流) 的大作中提到: 】
<br>: 看你怎么定义
<br>: goog核心的business比如ranking都是靠ml
<br>: 当然不都是deepmind搞的就是了
<br>
search是Jeff Dean的google brain搞得吧，哈桑比斯主要做强化学习
【 在 guvest (我爱你老婆Anna) 的大作中提到: 】
: 总算来个明白人。不在核心业务。那除了发文章和做广告，確實也无事可做。我觉得不
: 是deepmind的人沒技術的問題。
: goog的ML cloud倒是给了机会，没做好。
:
: 看你怎么定义
:
: goog核心的business比如ranking都是靠ml
:
: 当然不都是deepmind搞的就是了
:
这里有些爆料https://www.forbes.com/sites/samshead/2018/04/20/googles-complex-
relationship-with-deepmind-gets-exposed/#31d9a7a817d6
Google fought off Facebook to acquire DeepMind — a London-based artificial intelligence (AI) lab working on solving artificial general intelligence — in 2014 for a reported $600 million but not everyone at Google saw it as a
smart move.
The lack of revenue generated by DeepMind is reportedly one of the main
issues for some Google staff. Others are annoyed by the fact that DeepMind
has a "special status" within the Alphabet group that allows it to work on
projects that may not deliver results for decades.
The report states that DeepMind also failed to successfully develop improved video recommendation software for YouTube. Teams from DeepMind and YouTube reportedly struggled to work across time zones, while there were also
disagreements about data sharing.
老魏不是說了嗎。爭取早日own產品。紙上談兵沒意思的。
老中不在印度人那個生意圈子裡。但是產品老中說了算我看是可以的。這樣下一代可以一個好基礎。
【 在 Caravel(克拉维尔) 的大作中提到: 】
<br>: 这里有些爆料
<br>: https://www.forbes.com/sites/samshead/2018/04/20/googles-complex-
<br>: relationship-with-deepmind-gets-exposed/#31d9a7a817d6
<br>: Google fought off Facebook to acquire DeepMind — a London-based
artificial
<br>: intelligence (AI) lab working on solving artificial general
intelligence —
<br>: in 2014 for a reported $600 million but not everyone at Google
saw it
as a
<br>: smart move.
<br>: The lack of revenue generated by DeepMind is reportedly one of
the
main
<br>: issues for some Google staff. Others are annoyed by the fact
that
DeepMind
<br>: has a "special status" within the Alphabet group that allows it to
work on
: ...................
<br>
这个是末节
【 在 Caravel (克拉维尔) 的大作中提到: 】
: search是Jeff Dean的google brain搞得吧，哈桑比斯主要做强化学习
没任何实锤啊
【 在 Caravel (克拉维尔) 的大作中提到: 】
: 这里有些爆料
: https://www.forbes.com/sites/samshead/2018/04/20/googles-complex-
: relationship-with-deepmind-gets-exposed/#31d9a7a817d6
: Google fought off Facebook to acquire DeepMind — a London-based
artificial
: intelligence (AI) lab working on solving artificial general intelligence
—
: in 2014 for a reported $600 million but not everyone at Google saw it as a
: smart move.
: The lack of revenue generated by DeepMind is reportedly one of the main
: issues for some Google staff. Others are annoyed by the fact that DeepMind
: has a "special status" within the Alphabet group that allows it to work on
: ...................
就是和波士顿机器人一样
高大上，但是不能和狗家产品文化很好整合
不过狗大概舍不得卖掉
也许有这种考量在里面
【 在 lightroom (吃一条鱼，思考一个问题，法号三丰) 的大作中提到: 】
: 标 题: Re: deepmind这生意能做多久？
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Aug 15 12:35:23 2019, 美东)
:
: 狗家欧洲赚的钱拿回来要交税，还不如养个PR团队
:
: 【在 Caravel(克拉维尔)的大作中提到：】
: ：一年要烧570million，虽然他们研究做的确实不错，不时能做点头条出来，还有做基
: 础理论。但是每年亏损，也不长久啊
: ：
:
: --