I cannot load the page now--is it the story that the older girl is sweet and broad-interested but relys on her parents to push her to study--does not explore things by herself; the younger (in K) is independent but focusing on rather narrower fields?
I cannot load the page now--is it the story that the older girl is sweet and broad-interested but relys on her parents to push her to study--does not explore things by herself; the younger (in K) is independent but focusing on rather narrower fields?
I think that 推 and 放 are not just YES and NO. Each has its degree. Some parents go further; some don't. I'd try to present as much opportunity as possible for my kids, and encourage them to explore whatever they likes.
Hehe, I don't have much 遗憾 with myself; yes I do have my own weakness and I try to work on them. That has nothing to do with my kids. :) My parents gave me very much freedom as I grew up--maybe that why I don't have any 遗憾. I shaped myself to who I am today. So it's my own choice; nothing to regret. :P
Hehe, I don't have much 遗憾 with myself; yes I do have my own weakness and I try to work on them. That has nothing to do with my kids. :) My parents gave me very much freedom as I grew up--maybe that why I don't have any 遗憾. I shaped myself to who I am today. So it's my own choice; nothing to regret. :P
What's ur point? Sorry I don't get it. My own case, I love my parents, but I'm not very interested in going back all the time; I'm always attracted by the outside world. :)
No. Only 5'3. For me, knee-length makes me look slimmer (but need some heels); like knee-length skirt flirts me better than shorter ones. I think that it's because my upper legs are too strong, called 'elephant legs' by my hubby. :P
总结1100-1120 资源:图书打包下载库 by summerhole:http://www.packtxhuaren.us/ Cyprus 以下是引用SunshineInWinter在4/22/2010 9:24:00 AM的发言: 我曾经很模糊的想过,如果当初能有一些条件,我或许能走得更远;但很快,我就明白,以我父母当时的情况,我已经得到了能得到的所有。现在的我,或者说大多 数时间的我,都是快乐的,就足够了。 My parents have already done their best on me--rather exceeded expectation from their colleagues. Whether or not I would go further in a different family, I don't know. But since every choice was made by myself, no regrets. :)
之前的环境太顺利,或者说我的个性太顺应环 境,所以这样的孩子,要明白自己的内心,能真实的面对自己,要靠契机和顿悟了吧。 I don't know about whether it's late or not. I don't give too much focus on it. If I want something, I start now. What happened in the past has past, no help keep looking back.
One example, I didn't want to pursue PhD at all before joining the program; and I thought about quitting during the time. Then I gave myself a deadline and started enjoy the progress. Nowadays I'm really happy that I did it.
Cyprus I gave myself one more semester to try and I made quite some progress during that semester--both my adviser and I were happy with it. So I didn't quit.
Thinking back, I think that before that semester, I was not doing research in a proactive way--thanks to the education I got in China (:P). After making my mind to give the last try, I started working with real independent mind. I worked on what I liked and what I was good at, not just wait and follow my adviser's lead, of course within the scope he suggested. The independence really made doing research fun!
My parents have already done their best on me--rather exceeded expectation from their colleagues. Whether or not I would go further in a different family, I don't know. But since every choice was made by myself, no regrets. :)
大家早上好
red早上好!
我用reward checking,一个月刷10次debit card就好了,4%的利息,一般有个20000到25000的上限,超过这个上限的部分利息就很少了。
很多人嫌麻烦,我用着还好,一般就是买10块钱以下的小东西时候刷一下,比如说买杯咖啡啦,买个快餐了什么的,很快就积累到10次了。一年利息也有小一千呢。
这是哪家的卡?有没有年费?
其实你不胖,但是总给人有点虎背熊腰的感觉,这么说不要生气哈,关键是你的好资源没能好好利用呀
这也是我的问题。骨架大,没办法。
这也是我的问题。骨架大,没办法。
要多看看相同体型的名人,看看他们怎么穿衣服的
你先整照片,我去渣个果汁,5-10分钟后回来
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这是哪家的卡?有没有年费?
没说清楚阿,不是credit card,是个checking account,一般都是local银行提供的,没年费
只要你满足一些条件,它就给你4%的利息,条件一般包括用electronic statements,有direct deposit,还有就是我说的账户配套的debit card每个月刷10次等。
下面这个链接里面有提供这类账户的银行名单:
http://www.depositaccounts.com/us/checking/reward-checking-accounts.html
肥钱包上也有讨论的帖子。
其实你不胖,但是总给人有点虎背熊腰的感觉,这么说不要生气哈,关键是你的好资源没能好好利用呀
不生气。。我这个特色我知道。。。
要多看看相同体型的名人,看看他们怎么穿衣服的
是啊,我正找呢,还没找着呢。。。
你有推荐的吗?
以下内容只有回复后才可以浏览
两个楼一人开的?
以下是引用ninjarabbit在4/22/2010 8:12:00 AM的发言:
不生气。。我这个特色我知道。。。
对着镜子,抬头挺胸,试着改变站姿,还有,每天贴着墙站一会
两个楼一人开的?
对
没说清楚阿,不是credit card,是个checking account,一般都是local银行提供的,没年费
只要你满足一些条件,它就给你4%的利息,条件一般包括用electronic statements,有direct deposit,还有就是我说的账户配套的debit card每个月刷10次等。
下面这个链接里面有提供这类账户的银行名单:
http://www.depositaccounts.com/us/checking/reward-checking-accounts.html
肥钱包上也有讨论的帖子。
谢谢!我去看看。
两个楼一人开的?
貌似
对着镜子,抬头挺胸,试着改变站姿,还有,每天贴着墙站一会
red姿势挺正的,不驼背。我也不驼背。就是胸背比较厚。
red姿势挺正的,不驼背。我也不驼背。就是胸背比较厚。
那怎么办?
没说清楚阿,不是credit card,是个checking account,一般都是local银行提供的,没年费
只要你满足一些条件,它就给你4%的利息,条件一般包括用electronic statements,有direct deposit,还有就是我说的账户配套的debit card每个月刷10次等。
下面这个链接里面有提供这类账户的银行名单:
http://www.depositaccounts.com/us/checking/reward-checking-accounts.html
肥钱包上也有讨论的帖子。
thx
帖子在这里,lz很真诚,看后面的回复挺有意思的。
那怎么办?
咦?你不是正在教导我们该怎么做吗?我不知道该怎么办的。
迄今为止,我的心得:
1.我喜欢的品牌:anne klein,calvin klein, Esprit,banana republic
2.喜欢的式样:A-Line掐腰连衣裙,polo shirt + 短裤,中长大衣+紧身裤+长靴。
问题:
肩宽,穿吊带裙,要细吊带,还是粗吊带?
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t1/Parenting/31432749_0_1.html
帖子在这里,lz很真诚,看后面的回复挺有意思的。
关于小孩教育的?
我就跳过啦。。。
咦?你不是正在教导我们该怎么做吗?我不知道该怎么办的。
迄今为止,我的心得:
1.我喜欢的品牌:anne klein,calvin klein, Esprit,gap.com" target=new>banana republic
2.喜欢的式样:A-Line掐腰连衣裙,polo shirt + 短裤,中长大衣+紧身裤+长靴。
问题:
肩宽,穿吊带裙,要细吊带,还是粗吊带?
那要试试才知道吧,
我觉得他俩孩子的缺点我闺女都有
你看后面的回复,更发人深省。
等下去洗衣房洗床上用品。
关于小孩教育的?
我就跳过啦。。。
嗯,我想的有些是性格方面的,包括我自己的。
对
都是那个大姑子开的?太不厚道了吧
我也被bed bug咬了。
等下去洗衣房洗床上用品。
床垫最好用个密封套子套起来,它们最喜欢呆在那儿
你看后面的回复,更发人深省。
What did u 深省 with? Love to discuss...
我也被bed bug咬了。
等下去洗衣房洗床上用品。
啊
摸摸
What did u 深省 with? Love to discuss...
我慢慢写,没方便的汉语输入,又不想用英语。你也随便写随便问,好开阔我的思路。
这件Trench coat怎么样?虎背熊腰的人适不适合穿?
这个好看
床垫最好用个密封套子套起来,它们最喜欢呆在那儿
哪里找密封套子呢?
当年被推的过了,现在就想放自己孩子;
当年觉得父母太放了,现在就想推推孩子。
当然还有环境的因素了。
啊
摸摸
对着镜子,抬头挺胸,试着改变站姿,还有,每天贴着墙站一会
我是胸位低又散orz,就显得胸前一片辽阔大平原,还是找胸衣去了。。
都是那个大姑子开的?太不厚道了吧
也许压根就是挖坑
哪里找密封套子呢?
我的是pest control公司给的,上次jolin说bed bath beyond有卖
也许压根就是挖坑
我倒觉得事情是真的,真相就难说了
这个好看
热
我是胸位低又散orz,就显得胸前一片辽阔大平原,还是找胸衣去了。。
有的是好玩的胸衣,我见过连肥肉都没有的太平公主都可以搞出沟沟来的
我慢慢写,没方便的汉语输入,又不想用英语。你也随便写随便问,好开阔我的思路。
I cannot load the page now--is it the story that the older girl is sweet and broad-interested but relys on her parents to push her to study--does not explore things by herself; the younger (in K) is independent but focusing on rather narrower fields?
I cannot load the page now--is it the story that the older girl is sweet and broad-interested but relys on her parents to push her to study--does not explore things by herself; the younger (in K) is independent but focusing on rather narrower fields?
yes. this one! your thoughts about this?
讨论里面有一句话是,当父母的自己想要什么,就会给孩子什么。
当年被推的过了,现在就想放自己孩子;
当年觉得父母太放了,现在就想推推孩子。
当然还有环境的因素了。
是哦
我是胸位低又散orz,就显得胸前一片辽阔大平原,还是找胸衣去了。。
上次她们说AE的好,你试试看?
有的是好玩的胸衣,我见过连肥肉都没有的太平公主都可以搞出沟沟来的
Agree. So far I'm OK with VS.
有的是好玩的胸衣,我见过连肥肉都没有的太平公主都可以搞出沟沟来的
小red不用啦,她有料
讨论里面有一句话是,当父母的自己想要什么,就会给孩子什么。
当年被推的过了,现在就想放自己孩子;
当年觉得父母太放了,现在就想推推孩子。
当然还有环境的因素了。
I think that 推 and 放 are not just YES and NO. Each has its degree. Some parents go further; some don't.
I'd try to present as much opportunity as possible for my kids, and encourage them to explore whatever they likes.
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我现在就希望能提醒自己,尽量不要从自己的角度,而是能从孩子的角度,给她引导。她做一件事情,是因为她感兴趣,而不是我喜欢。
Agree. And I always try to persuade my hubby do not disturb her when she's into sth.
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回头看自己的父母,自己的路。自己的错误,颇有些触目惊心的感觉;还有那么些遗憾,那么多如果。。。或许就是这种感觉,让父母想在孩子身上得到一次修正的机会。
要多看看相同体型的名人,看看他们怎么穿衣服的
目前我看见体型类似的名人,只有maria cary(?)
我看她咋穿也没啥变化
其他的,生活,怎么引导?
回头看自己的父母,自己的路。自己的错误,颇有些触目惊心的感觉;还有那么些遗憾,那么多如果。。。或许就是这种感觉,让父母想在孩子身上得到一次修正的机会。
Hehe, I don't have much 遗憾 with myself; yes I do have my own weakness and I try to work on them. That has nothing to do with my kids. :)
My parents gave me very much freedom as I grew up--maybe that why I don't have any 遗憾. I shaped myself to who I am today. So it's my own choice; nothing to regret. :P
目前我看见体型类似的名人,只有maria cary(?)
我看她咋穿也没啥变化
她就算了,她自己衣服穿的也不咋地
这件Trench coat怎么样?虎背熊腰的人适不适合穿?
I like the black one. Where are they from?
And I like the knee-length. :)
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I like the black one. Where are they from?
And I like the knee-length. :)
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你是不是比较高
那个风衣,要短一点才好看,看这个http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?boardid=225&topicid=736625&page=0&star=1
真是各有各的好看。
话说我风衣的草是看《smallville》和《bones》种的。smallville里就是短的。bones里就是长的。
Hehe, I don't have much 遗憾 with myself; yes I do have my own weakness and I try to work on them. That has nothing to do with my kids. :)
My parents gave me very much freedom as I grew up--maybe that why I don't have any 遗憾. I shaped myself to who I am today. So it's my own choice; nothing to regret. :P
你好幸福
讨论里面有一句话是,当父母的自己想要什么,就会给孩子什么。
当年被推的过了,现在就想放自己孩子;
当年觉得父母太放了,现在就想推推孩子。
当然还有环境的因素了。
自己感到自己当年是被放的,或者是被束缚的,多看到的首先还是自己"失去"的,这是在任何事情开始前已经已经定位了。带着不满开始新的旅程,心中的声音是我要做的比你们更好。想要用"超过"这个事实来证明的不是自己可以做的更好,甚至不是还有其他的方式,而是自己认为自己应该可以获得的而没能获得的,面对的是自己的父母,所以承认自己内心真实的翻滚会更加不容易。
其次,我们以为我们可以多么不一样,甚至相反,事实上我们经历过的是我们唯一真正知道的,所以这里面没有那么多的比较,做我们可以,应该的,对的,和好的。
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t1/Parenting/31432749_0_1.html
帖子在这里,lz很真诚,看后面的回复挺有意思的。
后面的恢复好多火药味儿挺浓的,看着不舒服
我就是老大那样儿的,又有老二的缺点
谢谢兔子的照片,总结了一下,周末去实施 我决定周末把我的衣服都照张照片,好的留下,不合适的就淘汰
目前我看见体型类似的名人,只有maria cary(?)
我看她咋穿也没啥变化
她不太会穿衣服,不classy。。。
I like the black one. Where are they from?
And I like the knee-length. :)
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overstock
http://www.overstock.com/Clothing-Shoes/London-Fog-Womens-Double-breasted-Trench-Coat/4583281/product.html
但更多的,是回味起来很温馨的感觉。回复里有一句话,父母的家在孩子成人之后,是一直想回去的感觉;我再加一句,但外面的天空更加吸引孩子,这样,算是尽责了吧。
我老公就是成人以后再也不想回家的
真是杯具
但更多的,是回味起来很温馨的感觉。回复里有一句话,父母的家在孩子成人之后,是一直想回去的感觉;我再加一句,但外面的天空更加吸引孩子,这样,算是尽责了吧。
What's ur point? Sorry I don't get it.
My own case, I love my parents, but I'm not very interested in going back all the time; I'm always attracted by the outside world. :)
我的是pest control公司给的,上次jolin说bed bath beyond有卖
我去看看。谢谢雪花。
目前我看见体型类似的名人,只有maria cary(?)
我看她咋穿也没啥变化
我觉得还是要多试试,尤其是试一试自己以前不怎么穿的牌子和样式
我决定周末把我的衣服都照张照片,好的留下,不合适的就淘汰
照了要奔!
非常喜欢那个穿紫红上衣蓝裙子的id的回帖
我的血照阿血照~
我也被bed bug咬了。
等下去洗衣房洗床上用品。
摸摸,是不是要请人来杀虫?
你是不是比较高
No. Only 5'3. For me, knee-length makes me look slimmer (but need some heels); like knee-length skirt flirts me better than shorter ones. I think that it's because my upper legs are too strong, called 'elephant legs' by my hubby. :P
我决定周末把我的衣服都照张照片,好的留下,不合适的就淘汰
好主意。我也该整理自己的衣橱了。
摸摸,是不是要请人来杀虫?
先洗洗,找个罩子。不行的话就等请人来了。
我老公就是成人以后再也不想回家的
真是杯具
Why 杯具? I'm the same--不想回家
overstock
http://www.overstock.com/Clothing-Shoes/London-Fog-Womens-Double-breasted-Trench-Coat/4583281/product.html
Thanks!
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Cyprus
以下是引用SunshineInWinter在4/22/2010 9:24:00 AM的发言:
我曾经很模糊的想过,如果当初能有一些条件,我或许能走得更远;但很快,我就明白,以我父母当时的情况,我已经得到了能得到的所有。现在的我,或者说大多 数时间的我,都是快乐的,就足够了。
My parents have already done their best on me--rather exceeded expectation from their colleagues. Whether or not I would go further in a different family, I don't know. But since every choice was made by myself, no regrets. :)
Cyprus
以下是引用SunshineInWinter在4/22/2010 9:39:00 AM的发言:
还是说说我的遗憾吧:很晚才明白自己真正想做什么;很晚才明白怎么去做自己想做的事情。
之前的环境太顺利,或者说我的个性太顺应环 境,所以这样的孩子,要明白自己的内心,能真实的面对自己,要靠契机和顿悟了吧。
I don't know about whether it's late or not. I don't give too much focus on it. If I want something, I start now. What happened in the past has past, no help keep looking back.
One example, I didn't want to pursue PhD at all before joining the program; and I thought about quitting during the time. Then I gave myself a deadline and started enjoy the progress. Nowadays I'm really happy that I did it.
Cyprus
I gave myself one more semester to try and I made quite some progress during that semester--both my adviser and I were happy with it. So I didn't quit.
Thinking back, I think that before that semester, I was not doing research in a proactive way--thanks to the education I got in China (:P). After making my mind to give the last try, I started working with real independent mind. I worked on what I liked and what I was good at, not just wait and follow my adviser's lead, of course within the scope he suggested. The independence really made doing research fun!
Enen
我是这样看的,对的,好的就是对的和好的,也许有人会耐心和微笑着push,也许有人会制定严格的制度,并要求一定要完成…。无论选择的方式,也无论原始 选择的原因,这里面有一个事实是,是否今天的选择和坚持对于一个人的未来是有帮助和价值的?这里面是没有父母,子女 还有自己的。 但是,这里也有一个清晰切明确的分界线,如果,如果我们的内心有着一个声音在说,如果不按照这个如何就会如何,所以一定要如何,那么这已经不是 unconditional love了,没有人愿意感到自己是不足够的。
Windysnow
trench coat是经典款,值得投资, 最好是中性色,四季皆宜
不过我也舍不得上B家。。。 现在也在寻觅中
你 们可以看看AT, BR, Jcrew, HM 粉标, club Monaco, Benetton
个子小的话,单排扣好些,长度不 超过膝盖。我自己喜欢样式简洁利落,V领,到大腿中部的
长度可以改,肩膀和胸部要合适。怀疑我的去广州香港才能找到size
Cyprus
以下是引用windysnow在4/22/2010 12:28:00 PM的发言:
cyprus, I think u r from Mars :)
I miss empty... :)
现在想来我很感谢我爸妈,我觉得他们俩有个难得的共同点,就是没被他 们那一代的传统思想洗脑。这是昨天看老鬼的母亲杨末的想法--杨末被洗得太过了。我爸妈的同事里也有不少那样的,尤其一些工作能力特强的。当年家长会让我 妈发言,她说她什么也没做,别的家长都不信--我爸妈都不是特聪明的人,明摆着我也没什么神童的基因。但是我妈特爱陪我玩,从不强迫我,我爸给买书,益智 玩具,从不特别介意我的成绩。对我的爱天天写脸上。我就比较骄纵了,凡事都特爱自己拿主意。
冬日阳光灿烂
推荐一个牌子,我穿衣服觉得剪裁最合适我的,是theory;推荐试试看
Emichan
我觉得内衣要舍得花钱,我建议一开始还是多花点钱让店员专门给你做bra fitting,然后找最适合你的内衣,以后受益多多。要说女人胸部的黄金比例,从锁骨中间到乳头画花两条线,两个乳头中间再花一条直线构正一个三角形, 如果是等边三角那就是最完美的比例,如果有差,买内衣的时候就要注意,看哪种可以最大程度调节你的胸部成为黄金比例。穿对了内衣,你外面再穿其他的衣服也 比较好看。还可以防止胸部下垂变形。
我在vs做过custom fitting,也许是我这边店的问题,但是我觉得很不专业。当时我还穿着sweat shirt呢她就粗略量了一下,一点都不准。
后来我去这边一家boutique lingerie店,店员跟着我进了试衣间量的。穿着自己的内衣量一次,脱掉量一次。第二次的不量也可以。一开始我还有点不好意思,后来想开了,反正去妇 产科医生那里不也是被摸来摸去的。然后店员帮我找来很多内衣,全罩杯,3/4罩杯,半罩杯的,宽肩带细肩带的。不要嫌麻烦,每件穿上之后再套上外面的衣 服,这样才能看到整体效果。哦,最好去的时候穿一件比较贴身的tee,这样容易看出效果。
我去的那家叫intimacy,www.myintimacy.com,我不知道你哪里有没有。啊,记错了,是top drawer lingerie, 我不知道这家是不是chain。
不过你可以去mall里看看有没有类似的内衣专卖店,然后问他们有没有custom bra fitting service。或者你可以google一下"custom bra fitting+城市名"
我觉得有没有挤出沟是次要的,先要看bra本身的fit,合适了就不会有副乳这类的麻烦。好的内衣会把侧面的肉肉也尽可能的收进去,而且也会有很好的support,这样沟很容易就出来了。
Emichan
《挺峰美人》——护胸书总结:
主要是要买合适的内衣,做适当的锻炼。
有一段我记得很清楚,成年女性胸部发育已经基本定型了,所以不存在锻炼之后会变平胸的问题。上半身有适当的锻炼反而可以让肌肤更有弹性,也可以加强胸部肌肉的力量,防止下垂。
[此贴子已经被作者于2010/4/22 19:32:13编辑过]
自己感到自己当年是被放的,或者是被束缚的,多看到的首先还是自己"失去"的,这是在任何事情开始前已经已经定位了。带着不满开始新的旅程,心中的声音是我要做的比你们更好。想要用"超过"这个事实来证明的不是自己可以做的更好,甚至不是还有其他的方式,而是自己认为自己应该可以获得的而没能获得的,面对的是自己的父母,所以承认自己内心真实的翻滚会更加不容易。
其次,我们以为我们可以多么不一样,甚至相反,事实上我们经历过的是我们唯一真正知道的,所以这里面没有那么多的比较,做我们可以,应该的,对的,和好的。
你每次都能让人去想更深刻的东西,谢谢嗯嗯!
风衣还是浅色的好。因为是春秋两季穿,亮色轻一些。冬天才适合穿黑的。
貌似我还真没有风衣,不知道是否适合我。
听说burberry的风衣不错,可是财迷我觉得有些贵。大家还有什么其它牌子推荐的吗?
我曾经很模糊的想过,如果当初能有一些条件,我或许能走得更远;但很快,我就明白,以我父母当时的情况,我已经得到了能得到的所有。现在的我,或者说大多数时间的我,都是快乐的,就足够了。
My parents have already done their best on me--rather exceeded expectation from their colleagues. Whether or not I would go further in a different family, I don't know. But since every choice was made by myself, no regrets. :)
自己感到自己当年是被放的,或者是被束缚的,多看到的首先还是自己"失去"的,这是在任何事情开始前已经已经定位了。带着不满开始新的旅程,心中的声音是我要做的比你们更好。想要用"超过"这个事实来证明的不是自己可以做的更好,甚至不是还有其他的方式,而是自己认为自己应该可以获得的而没能获得的,面对的是自己的父母,所以承认自己内心真实的翻滚会更加不容易。其次,我们以为我们可以多么不一样,甚至相反,事实上我们经历过的是我们唯一真正知道的,所以这里面没有那么多的比较,做我们可以,应该的,对的,和好的。
很同意呢。
Thanks!
他家的号超大。s估计你穿不了,我都不行。
Heihei, in NYC, black is IN anytime, anywhere. :P
你在NYC?
风衣还是浅色的好。因为是春秋两季穿,亮色轻一些。冬天才适合穿黑的。
Heihei, in NYC, black is IN anytime, anywhere. :P
咦?你不是正在教导我们该怎么做吗?我不知道该怎么办的。
迄今为止,我的心得:
1.我喜欢的品牌:anne klein,calvin klein, Esprit,gap.com" target=new>banana republic
2.喜欢的式样:A-Line掐腰连衣裙,polo shirt + 短裤,中长大衣+紧身裤+长靴。
问题:
肩宽,穿吊带裙,要细吊带,还是粗吊带?
腰背厚的似乎不适合吊带裙。
他家的号超大。s估计你穿不了,我都不行。
Yes u r right. And I think that London Fog does not have very feminine design...
I'm looking for some slim trench all the time.
你在NYC?
Close by. But have been brain-washed by its style. :P