以下是引用世间帅哥归我有在12/17/2009 12:40:00 PM的发言： I passed! With no writing needed! Back to life again! does jolin start to speak? Big congs! I'll be back later and talk to you girls
Sometimes I feel the 'translation' is not exactly the same as the origin... quite biasd by the author. So I found what's most useful to me is still the original words, because I translate them upon my own needs.
'We don't need to cut-off the absolute ppl or things; if we need to do so, it means that we have not really let them go; rather, we need format and method (to let them go). We cannot let anything dissapear, unless like you said till we disappear ourselves...Life goes up in 螺旋式, it's normal that we meet some situation familiar (Deja Vu!).
'We don't need to cut-off the absolute ppl or things; if we need to do so, it means that we have not really let them go; rather, we need format and method (to let them go). We cannot let anything dissapear, unless like you said till we disappear ourselves...Life goes up in 螺旋式, it's normal that we meet some situation familiar (Da Ja xxo!).
'We don't need to cut-off the absolute ppl or things; if we need to do so, it means that we have not really let them go; rather, we need format and method (to let them go). We cannot let anything dissapear, unless like you said till we disappear ourselves...Life goes up in 螺旋式, it's normal that we meet some situation familiar (Da Ja Woo!). [此贴子已经被作者于2009/12/17 13:26:49编辑过]
Now you got my biased opinion--don't blame me later aaaah...
From Wiki:
'Deja vu', is the experience of feeling sure that one has witnessed or experienced a new situation previously (an individual feels as though an event has already happened or has happened in the recent past), although the exact circumstances of the previous encounter are uncertain.
As to the turning point, in fact we have been shouting the truth to ourselves since long back. yet our unwillingness to "hurt others' feelings" roots back to our own needs and wants. With anything and anyone, there must be a point where we feel we should "let it all go", right then and there. Yet in the future there might be multiple occasions that we feel our past haunting us again. 后面不懂
As to the turning point, in fact we have been shouting the truth to ourselves since long back. yet our unwillingness to "hurt others' feelings" roots back to our own needs and wants. With anything and anyone, there must be a point where we feel we should "let it all go", right then and there. Yet in the future there might be multiple occasions that we feel our past haunting us again. 后面不懂
"让我们再次犹豫是否应该回下头，是想要还是需要？到底有没有真的失去什么在安静的距离中？"
we hesitate again if we should go back (to before the turning point). Do we WANT or do we NEED (go back)? Did we really lose anything after setting up the distance and keeping quiet?
When you feel you are unable to do something, you just don't want it bad enough. We need our "needs" to survive in the real world. We use our "wants" to survive in our imaginary world. If we decide to live in the "now", it would be easy to decide what we need. yet if we live in the imaginary world, it is only natural we feel it hard to decide (between needs and wants?)
Now you got my biased opinion--don't blame me later aaaah...
From Wiki:
'Deja vu', is the experience of feeling sure that one has witnessed or experienced a new situation previously (an individual feels as though an event has already happened or has happened in the recent past), although the exact circumstances of the previous encounter are uncertain.
As to the turning point, in fact we have been shouting the truth to ourselves since long back. yet our unwillingness to "hurt others' feelings" roots back to our own needs and wants. With anything and anyone, there must be a point where we feel we should "let it all go", right then and there. Yet in the future there might be multiple occasions that we feel our past haunting us again. 后面不懂
Did we actually miss out in the peaceful path that we ended up choosing???
When you feel you are unable to do something, you just don't want it bad enough. We need our "needs" to survive in the real world. We use our "wants" to survive in our imaginary world. If we decide to live in the "now", it would be easy to decide what we need. yet if we live in the imaginary world, it is only natural we feel it hard to decide (between needs and wants?)
以下是引用enen^_^在12/17/2009 12:25:00 PM的发言： 小Jolin太可爱了，你什么时候回来？ 说到这个点，其实老早就在我们的心底呐喊了，但是我们不愿意伤害＂他人的ganqing＂其实还是顾及自己的内心需要。我想说的是，任何人和任何事情，会有那么一个点让我们觉得结束了，但事实上还会有那么无数个点在未来出现，让我们再次犹豫是否应该回下头，是想要还是需要？到底有没有真的失去什么在安静的距离中？ As to the turning point, in fact we have been shouting the truth to ourselves since long back. yet our unwillingness to "hurt others' feelings" roots back to our own needs and wants. With anything and anyone, there must be a point where we feel we should "let it all go", right then and there. 加(We made the decide to let it all go and continue our lives in the real world. )Yet in the future there might be multiple occasions that we feel our past haunting us again. 后面继续. We'd go back and have the same doubts about our needs and wants all over again. We wonder, whether we have missed out on anything (when we decide to focus on the now and are keeping a safe distance from our imaginary world??)后面一句篡改添加很多，根据debbie/cyprus 的翻译来的。
以下是引用enen^_^在12/17/2009 1:10:00 PM的发言： 我好象没有用＂希望＂吧？我用的就是想要和需要，这就好象是个分水岭吧，事情不是一定要如何才能如何，放下很多纠结也清晰多了吧－－－－－－－－－－－－再来： I did not use the word "hope". To me there are only two types of (personal feelings???) - needs and wants. 后面给了个翻译但是我觉得完全是曲解了。This is where we disagree. Not everything happen for a reason. If we give up the quest for finding this reason, we'd end up less ambiguous on making decisions????
now i got it, 回头读原文，觉得enen似乎用的是英文或者古文语法？通假动词，名词和形容词。明白rules下次应该容易点了。感谢cyprus 和 debbie~~~~~
saw ur questions based on my biased experience, i think to read enen's post, u can't use rules. because when enen types in the words, she seems not using any rules, might not choosing the exact characters. i think she tries to express the exact flow of thoughts such that she doesn't have time for wording. u, or actually I just read those characters in my mind, listen to the sound and feel/stretch to make sense of them. sort of like a verbal 3-d picture. u have to loose some focus to see the actual shape in the picture
以下是引用enen^_^在12/17/2009 12:25:00 PM的发言： 小Jolin太可爱了，你什么时候回来？ 说到这个点，其实老早就在我们的心底呐喊了，但是我们不愿意伤害＂他人的ganqing＂其实还是顾及自己的内心需要。我想说的是，任何人和任何事情，会有那么一个点让我们觉得结束了，但事实上还会有那么无数个点在未来出现，让我们再次犹豫是否应该回下头，是想要还是需要？到底有没有真的失去什么在安静的距离中？ As to the turning point, in fact we have been shouting the truth to ourselves since long back. yet our unwillingness to "hurt others' feelings" roots back to our own needs and wants. With anything and anyone, there must be a point where we feel we should "let it all go", right then and there. 加(We made the decide to let it all go and continue our lives in the real world. )Yet in the future there might be multiple occasions that we feel our past haunting us again. 后面继续. We'd go back and have the same doubts about our needs and wants all over again. We wonder, whether we have missed out on anything (when we decide to focus on the now and are keeping a safe distance from our imaginary world??)后面一句篡改添加很多，根据debbie/cyprus 的翻译来的。
[此贴子已经被作者于2009/12/17 13:51:23编辑过]
Hehe, because Debbie and I have different understanding of the last sentense. It's intersting to see differnt views. :)
saw ur questions based on my biased experience, i think to read enen's post, u can't use rules. because when enen types in the words, she seems not using any rules, might not choosing the exact characters. i think she tries to express the exact flow of thoughts such that she doesn't have time for wording. u, or actually I just read those characters in my mind, listen to the sound and feel/stretch to make sense of them. sort of like a verbal 3-d picture. u have to loose some focus to see the actual shape in the picture
As to the turning point, in fact we have been shouting the truth to ourselves since long back. yet our unwillingness to "hurt others' feelings" roots back to our own needs and wants. With anything and anyone, there must be a point where we feel we should "let it all go", right then and there. Yet in the future there might be multiple occasions that we feel our past haunting us again. 后面不懂
saw ur questions based on my biased experience, i think to read enen's post, u can't use rules. because when enen types in the words, she seems not using any rules, might not choosing the exact characters. i think she tries to express the exact flow of thoughts such that she doesn't have time for wording. u, or actually I just read those characters in my mind, listen to the sound and feel/stretch to make sense of them. sort of like a verbal 3-d picture. u have to loose some focus to see the actual shape in the picture
[此贴子已经被作者于2009/12/17 13:56:17编辑过]
Beautiful!
Looks to me the perfect way to understand enen's words upon one's own needs.
Heihei, now I can refer to the book 'Advice to Young Investigators'. The author claimed the same 'rule' for scientific research. In a word, forget about rules...
When you feel you are unable to do something, you just don't want it bad enough. We need our "needs" to survive in the real world. We use our "wants" to survive in our imaginary world. If we decide to live in the "now", it would be easy to decide what we need. yet if we live in the imaginary world, it is only natural we feel it hard to decide (between needs and wants?)
以下是引用enen^_^在12/17/2009 1:10:00 PM的发言： 我好象没有用＂希望＂吧？我用的就是想要和需要，这就好象是个分水岭吧，事情不是一定要如何才能如何，放下很多纠结也清晰多了吧－－－－－－－－－－－－再来： I did not use the word "hope". To me there are only two types of (personal feelings???) - needs and wants. 后面给了个翻译但是我觉得完全是曲解了。This is where we disagree. Not everything happen for a reason. If we give up the quest for finding this reason, we'd end up less ambiguous on making decisions????
we hesitate again if we should go back (to before the turning point). Do we WANT or do we NEED (go back)? Did we really lose anything after setting up the distance and keeping quiet?
以下是引用enen^_^在12/17/2009 1:10:00 PM的发言： 我好象没有用＂希望＂吧？我用的就是想要和需要，这就好象是个分水岭吧，事情不是一定要如何才能如何，放下很多纠结也清晰多了吧－－－－－－－－－－－－再来： I did not use the word "hope". To me there are only two types of (personal feelings???) - needs and wants. 后面给了个翻译但是我觉得完全是曲解了。This is where we disagree. Not everything happen for a reason. If we give up the quest for finding this reason, we'd end up less ambiguous on making decisions????
what if i'm curious about how you come all the way to who you are now, purely for the sake of curiosity? Would you tell? I'm interested in seeing different forms of life. Just asking.
what if i'm curious about how you come all the way to who you are now, purely for the sake of curiosity? Would you tell? I'm interested in seeing different forms of life. Just asking.
what if i'm curious about how you come all the way to who you are now, purely for the sake of curiosity? Would you tell? I'm interested in seeing different forms of life. Just asking.
恐怕不会，此时不会我的意思是。我日常生活中也是极少会说到我自己的。但是我不是我不会说自己，而是看重share the moment。这种类似讲自己故事来作为谈话一部分的事情，我不拒绝别人做，但是不是我会选择，支持或鼓励的。且，讲自己的故事给别人是拉住过去来增加自我价值的表现之一。
恐怕不会，此时不会我的意思是。我日常生活中也是极少会说到我自己的。但是我不是我不会说自己，而是看重share the moment。这种类似讲自己故事来作为谈话一部分的事情，我不拒绝别人做，但是不是我会选择，支持或鼓励的。且，讲自己的故事给别人是拉住过去来增加自 我价值的表现之一。 你平时说话也这样能省则省么？还是古文习惯啊？
I passed! With no writing needed! Back to life again!
does jolin start to speak? Big congs! I'll be back later and talk to you girls
恭喜恭喜
到这个回贴我把看了你的贴子后想说的话就都说出来了。也许，我们并怒需要cut off我是纯粹的其他人或事，如果我们需要那么做，那说明我们还没能真的放下而需要形式和手段，我们无法让任何消失，除非如你所说的直到我们自己的消失...
人生是呈螺旋式上升的，似曾相识是必然的:-)
明白了
I passed! With no writing needed! Back to life again!
does jolin start to speak? Big congs! I'll be back later and talk to you girls
今天好事多！！！！
恭喜恭喜！！！！
谢谢谢谢，嘻嘻。
更糊涂了
常常有这样的情况，理智说放下放下，可是心里却很不情愿，总是在放电影一样的一遍遍的重现一些事情，既然想放不能放，那就是还有什么没得到？
不是不能恐怕还是不想，需要的是用来幸存的，想要的是为了想像的，所以活在当下的话决定是清晰明确的，而活在想像中，自然会难以取舍。
到这个回贴我把看了你的贴子后想说的话就都说出来了。也许，我们并怒需要cut off我是纯粹的其他人或事，如果我们需要那么做，那说明我们还没能真的放下而需要形式和手段，我们无法让任何消失，除非如你所说的直到我们自己的消失...
人生是呈螺旋式上升的，似曾相识是必然的:-)
现在高兴我就满足了，将来的谁知道呢，过好每一天。
今天老朋友来看小朋友，说我脸上一直笑嘻嘻的，说几句就笑，说我几年前脸上很少看到笑容，哈哈，我自己都不知道现在和以前居然有这么大的不同。
[此贴子已经被作者于2009/12/17 12:49:25编辑过]
不是不能恐怕还是不想，需要的是用来幸存的，想要的是为了想像的，所以活在当下的话决定是清晰明确的，而活在想像中，自然会难以取舍。
醍醐灌顶
空空是不是回国了？也没见她上来，她要是露面了，我得告诉她这个好消息，还有concord和red。
jolin, 看看到了你的好消息。
我看完了，心里也轻松了好多。
不是不能恐怕还是不想，需要的是用来幸存的，想要的是为了想像的，所以活在当下的话决定是清晰明确的，而活在想像中，自然会难以取舍。
I see
jolin, 看看到了你的好消息。
我看完了，心里也轻松了好多。
I passed! With no writing needed! Back to life again!
does jolin start to speak? Big congs! I'll be back later and talk to you girls
恭喜恭喜。
不是不能恐怕还是不想，需要的是用来幸存的，想要的是为了想像的，所以活在当下的话决定是清晰明确的，而活在想像中，自然会难以取舍。
我们需要的实在微乎其微，一箪食， 一瓢饮，足矣。希望得到的和你这里的“想要的” 又有什么区别？
I passed! With no writing needed! Back to life again!
does jolin start to speak? Big congs! I'll be back later and talk to you girls
Congrats! Now enjoy the holidays!!
我特别惭愧的老是读不懂enen的话，单个字都认得，组合起来不认得，好似读英文一样。。。。。:S
I always read at least twice, plus some grammer analysis...
I always read at least twice, plus some grammer analysis...
有什么tips么
我们需要的实在微乎其微，一箪食， 一瓢饮，足矣。希望得到的和你这里的“想要的” 又有什么区别？
我好象没有用＂希望＂吧？我用的就是想要和需要，这就好象是个分水岭吧，事情不是一定要如何才能如何，放下很多纠结也清晰多了吧
有什么tips么
For myself, it helps to cut each sentense into pieces...
我特别惭愧的老是读不懂enen的话，单个字都认得，组合起来不认得，好似读英文一样。。。。。:S
因为你不需要呀
For myself, it helps to cut each sentense into pieces...
我经常是看不太出来从那里短句，一个名词是跟上面还是下面。不知道我是不是一个人。
因为你不需要呀
这。。。。同样的话，有时候别人帮忙“翻译”一下，又可以懂了。。。。下次我还是用铅笔划屏幕断断句吧
我经常是看不太出来从那里短句，一个名词是跟上面还是下面。不知道我是不是一个人。
Same here.
But it really worths the effort to understand, for me... :)
Same here.
But it really worths the effort to understand, for me... :)
从大家的反映看肯定很值得读，所以我才很抓狂
这。。。。同样的话，有时候别人帮忙“翻译”一下，又可以懂了。。。。下次我还是用铅笔划屏幕断断句吧
Sometimes I feel the 'translation' is not exactly the same as the origin... quite biasd by the author. So I found what's most useful to me is still the original words, because I translate them upon my own needs.
从大家的反映看肯定很值得读，所以我才很抓狂
Understand. Forget about those strict grammer rules also helps. :)
从大家的反映看肯定很值得读，所以我才很抓狂
哈哈
I passed! With no writing needed! Back to life again!
does jolin start to speak? Big congs! I'll be back later and talk to you girls
Cong!!!
jolin, 看看到了你的好消息。
我看完了，心里也轻松了好多。
啥也看不到的人也cong～～
从大家的反映看肯定很值得读，所以我才很抓狂
存下来以后看
到这个回贴我把看了你的贴子后想说的话就都说出来了。也许，我们并怒需要cut off我是纯粹的其他人或事，如果我们需要那么做，那说明我们还没能真的放下而需要形式和手段，我们无法让任何消失，除非如你所说的直到我们自己的消失...
人生是呈螺旋式上升的，似曾相识是必然的:-)
For kp, here's my biased understanding:
'We don't need to cut-off the absolute ppl or things; if we need to do so, it means that we have not really let them go; rather, we need format and method (to let them go). We cannot let anything dissapear, unless like you said till we disappear ourselves...Life goes up in 螺旋式, it's normal that we meet some situation familiar (Deja Vu!).
[此贴子已经被作者于2009/12/17 13:30:56编辑过]
For kp, here's my biased understanding:
'We don't need to cut-off the absolute ppl or things; if we need to do so, it means that we have not really let them go; rather, we need format and method (to let them go). We cannot let anything dissapear, unless like you said till we disappear ourselves...Life goes up in 螺旋式, it's normal that we meet some situation familiar (Da Ja xxo!).
翻译的太好了
翻译的太好了
热热热，太好了～～～～结尾括号里面是啥
For kp, here's my biased understanding:
'We don't need to cut-off the absolute ppl or things; if we need to do so, it means that we have not really let them go; rather, we need format and method (to let them go). We cannot let anything dissapear, unless like you said till we disappear ourselves...Life goes up in 螺旋式, it's normal that we meet some situation familiar (Da Ja Woo!).
[此贴子已经被作者于2009/12/17 13:26:49编辑过]
Déjà vu
热热热，太好了～～～～结尾括号里面是啥
Now you got my biased opinion--don't blame me later aaaah...
From Wiki:
'Deja vu', is the experience of feeling sure that one has witnessed or experienced
a new situation previously (an individual feels as though an event has
already happened or has happened in the recent past), although the
exact circumstances of the previous encounter are uncertain.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%A9j%C3%A0_vu
原来怒是个通假字。。。。。我在这里就卡了
I didn't understand it, so I just skip it.
Déjà vu
You got me...
I didn't understand it, so I just skip it.
考虑键盘位置，这个字是“不”
小Jolin太可爱了，你什么时候回来？
说到这个点，其实老早就在我们的心底呐喊了，但是我们不愿意伤害＂他人的ganqing＂其实还是顾及自己的内心需要。我想说的是，任何人和任何事情，会有那么一个点让我们觉得结束了，但事实上还会有那么无数个点在未来出现，让我们再次犹豫是否应该回下头，是想要还是需要？到底有没有真的失去什么在安静的距离中？
As to the turning point, in fact we have been shouting the truth to ourselves since long back. yet our unwillingness to "hurt others' feelings" roots back to our own needs and wants. With anything and anyone, there must be a point where we feel we should "let it all go", right then and there. Yet in the future there might be multiple occasions that we feel our past haunting us again. 后面不懂
考虑键盘位置，这个字是“不”
Good point!
我好象没有用＂希望＂吧？我用的就是想要和需要，这就好象是个分水岭吧，事情不是一定要如何才能如何，放下很多纠结也清晰多了吧
是我说的希望。比如说希望自己身体健康，家人平安，子孙满堂，事业发达blahblah的。这些是需要吗？是想要吗？都放下吗？
Déjà vu
真有文化，啧啧。
As to the turning point, in fact we have been shouting the truth to ourselves since long back. yet our unwillingness to "hurt others' feelings" roots back to our own needs and wants. With anything and anyone, there must be a point where we feel we should "let it all go", right then and there. Yet in the future there might be multiple occasions that we feel our past haunting us again. 后面不懂
"让我们再次犹豫是否应该回下头，是想要还是需要？到底有没有真的失去什么在安静的距离中？"
we hesitate again if we should go back (to before the turning point). Do we WANT or do we NEED (go back)? Did we really lose anything after setting up the distance and keeping quiet?
[此贴子已经被作者于2009/12/17 13:45:00编辑过]
不是不能恐怕还是不想，需要的是用来幸存的，想要的是为了想像的，所以活在当下的话决定是清晰明确的，而活在想像中，自然会难以取舍。
When you feel you are unable to do something, you just don't want it bad enough. We need our "needs" to survive in the real world. We use our "wants" to survive in our imaginary world. If we decide to live in the "now", it would be easy to decide what we need. yet if we live in the imaginary world, it is only natural we feel it hard to decide (between needs and wants?)
Now you got my biased opinion--don't blame me later aaaah...
From Wiki:
'Deja vu', is the experience of feeling sure that one has witnessed or experienced
a new situation previously (an individual feels as though an event has
already happened or has happened in the recent past), although the
exact circumstances of the previous encounter are uncertain.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%A9j%C3%A0_vu
似曾相识这样翻真恰当。记住了
我好象没有用＂希望＂吧？我用的就是想要和需要，这就好象是个分水岭吧，事情不是一定要如何才能如何，放下很多纠结也清晰多了吧
I did not use the word "hope". To me there are only two types of (??) - needs and wants. 后面不懂。
As to the turning point, in fact we have been shouting the truth to ourselves since long back. yet our unwillingness to "hurt others' feelings" roots back to our own needs and wants. With anything and anyone, there must be a point where we feel we should "let it all go", right then and there. Yet in the future there might be multiple occasions that we feel our past haunting us again. 后面不懂
Did we actually miss out in the peaceful path that we ended up choosing???
When you feel you are unable to do something, you just don't want it bad enough. We need our "needs" to survive in the real world. We use our "wants" to survive in our imaginary world. If we decide to live in the "now", it would be easy to decide what we need. yet if we live in the imaginary world, it is only natural we feel it hard to decide (between needs and wants?)
翻译得牛啊！！！太帮助理解了！
你们几个笑死我了，我是喜欢用长句的。哈哈，如果我说的不清楚，告诉我，我会再解释的。
Heiheihei, just found it's fun not only to read but also to translate your words!
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小Jolin太可爱了，你什么时候回来？ 说到这个点，其实老早就在我们的心底呐喊了，但是我们不愿意伤害＂他人的ganqing＂其实还是顾及自己的内心需要。我想说的是，任何人和任何事情，会有那么一个点让我们觉得结束了，但事实上还会有那么无数个点在未来出现，让我们再次犹豫是否应该回下头，是想要还是需要？到底有没有真的失去什么在安静的距离中？
As to the turning point, in fact we have been shouting the truth to ourselves since long back. yet our unwillingness to "hurt others' feelings" roots back to our own needs and wants. With anything and anyone, there must be a point where we feel we should "let it all go", right then and there. 加(We made the decide to let it all go and continue our lives in the real world. )Yet in the future there might be multiple occasions that we feel our past haunting us again. 后面继续. We'd go back and have the same doubts about our needs and wants all over again. We wonder, whether we have missed out on anything (when we decide to focus on the now and are keeping a safe distance from our imaginary world??)后面一句篡改添加很多，根据debbie/cyprus 的翻译来的。
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真有文化，啧啧。
hia hia,
我好象没有用＂希望＂吧？我用的就是想要和需要，这就好象是个分水岭吧，事情不是一定要如何才能如何，放下很多纠结也清晰多了吧－－－－－－－－－－－－再来：
I did not use the word "hope". To me there are only two types of (personal feelings???) - needs and wants. 后面给了个翻译但是我觉得完全是曲解了。This is where we disagree. Not everything happen for a reason. If we give up the quest for finding this reason, we'd end up less ambiguous on making decisions????
now i got it, 回头读原文，觉得enen似乎用的是英文或者古文语法？通假动词，名词和形容词。明白rules下次应该容易点了。感谢cyprus 和 debbie~~~~~
saw ur questions
based on my biased experience, i think to read enen's post, u can't use rules. because when enen types in the words, she seems not using any rules, might not choosing the exact characters. i think she tries to express the exact flow of thoughts such that she doesn't have time for wording.
u, or actually I just read those characters in my mind, listen to the sound and feel/stretch to make sense of them.
sort of like a verbal 3-d picture. u have to loose some focus to see the actual shape in the picture
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以下是引用enen^_^在12/17/2009 12:25:00 PM的发言：
小Jolin太可爱了，你什么时候回来？ 说到这个点，其实老早就在我们的心底呐喊了，但是我们不愿意伤害＂他人的ganqing＂其实还是顾及自己的内心需要。我想说的是，任何人和任何事情，会有那么一个点让我们觉得结束了，但事实上还会有那么无数个点在未来出现，让我们再次犹豫是否应该回下头，是想要还是需要？到底有没有真的失去什么在安静的距离中？
As to the turning point, in fact we have been shouting the truth to ourselves since long back. yet our unwillingness to "hurt others' feelings" roots back to our own needs and wants. With anything and anyone, there must be a point where we feel we should "let it all go", right then and there. 加(We made the decide to let it all go and continue our lives in the real world. )Yet in the future there might be multiple occasions that we feel our past haunting us again. 后面继续. We'd go back and have the same doubts about our needs and wants all over again. We wonder, whether we have missed out on anything (when we decide to focus on the now and are keeping a safe distance from our imaginary world??)后面一句篡改添加很多，根据debbie/cyprus 的翻译来的。
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Hehe, because Debbie and I have different understanding of the last sentense. It's intersting to see differnt views. :)
saw ur questions
based on my biased experience, i think to read enen's post, u can't use rules. because when enen types in the words, she seems not using any rules, might not choosing the exact characters. i think she tries to express the exact flow of thoughts such that she doesn't have time for wording.
u, or actually I just read those characters in my mind, listen to the sound and feel/stretch to make sense of them.
sort of like a verbal 3-d picture. u have to loose some focus to see the actual shape in the picture
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我这是典型理科男的思维方式。以后觉得每次都rephrase一下，如果不对麻烦大家（尤其是enen）指出。
As to the turning point, in fact we have been shouting the truth to ourselves since long back. yet our unwillingness to "hurt others' feelings" roots back to our own needs and wants. With anything and anyone, there must be a point where we feel we should "let it all go", right then and there. Yet in the future there might be multiple occasions that we feel our past haunting us again. 后面不懂
后面我是在说，如果仅仅是处于＂需要＂那么是必需的，我们自然至少应该知道该做什么和能做什么去获得，而想要的，这其中会有的是＂我觉得＂和＂如果＂就如何了，这是不同的，夹杂着想像后，就会改变事实，那么就在后面面对结果时会有＂困难＂
不知道是不是你想问的部分。
saw ur questions
based on my biased experience, i think to read enen's post, u can't use rules. because when enen types in the words, she seems not using any rules, might not choosing the exact characters. i think she tries to express the exact flow of thoughts such that she doesn't have time for wording.
u, or actually I just read those characters in my mind, listen to the sound and feel/stretch to make sense of them.
sort of like a verbal 3-d picture. u have to loose some focus to see the actual shape in the picture
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Beautiful!
Looks to me the perfect way to understand enen's words upon one's own needs.
Often format limits the content.
是我说的希望。比如说希望自己身体健康，家人平安，子孙满堂，事业发达blahblah的。这些是需要吗？是想要吗？都放下吗？
蛋你列举的这几个我会看作希望，那么就去努力，尽力使得自己获得。得不到时才涉及放下吧？
Beautiful!
Looks to me the perfect way to understand enen's words upon one's own needs.
Often format limits the content.
正所谓低手就看见剑光乱舞，而高手，杀人于无影无形。。。。。。。
正所谓低手就看见剑光乱舞，而高手，杀人于无影无形。。。。。。。
恩纳～
多亏王姑娘解释招数我才勉强看懂皮毛～～
恩纳～
多亏王姑娘解释招数我才勉强看懂皮毛～～
你咋知道cyprus姓王？
恩纳～
多亏王姑娘解释招数我才勉强看懂皮毛～～
她明明姓赵
正所谓低手就看见剑光乱舞，而高手，杀人于无影无形。。。。。。。
Heihei, now I can refer to the book 'Advice to Young Investigators'. The author claimed the same 'rule' for scientific research. In a word, forget about rules...
她明明姓赵
不是姓段？
蛋你列举的这几个我会看作希望，那么就去努力，尽力使得自己获得。得不到时才涉及放下吧？
恩。i c. 谢谢
When you feel you are unable to do something, you just don't want it bad enough. We need our "needs" to survive in the real world. We use our "wants" to survive in our imaginary world. If we decide to live in the "now", it would be easy to decide what we need. yet if we live in the imaginary world, it is only natural we feel it hard to decide (between needs and wants?)
是这个意思吧，我感觉最难的是自我的迷失，到感到纠结的时候多问的问题是，怎么是这样，怎么可以这样，我想说的是，答案一定会有在日后，此时如果想要从新振作自己继续前进，问题是，我想要的是什么，我需要的是什么，而不是外界的任何人。
她明明姓赵
不是姓段吗？
以下是引用enen^_^在12/17/2009 1:10:00 PM的发言：
我好象没有用＂希望＂吧？我用的就是想要和需要，这就好象是个分水岭吧，事情不是一定要如何才能如何，放下很多纠结也清晰多了吧－－－－－－－－－－－－再来：
I did not use the word "hope". To me there are only two types of (personal feelings???) - needs and wants. 后面给了个翻译但是我觉得完全是曲解了。This is where we disagree. Not everything happen for a reason. If we give up the quest for finding this reason, we'd end up less ambiguous on making decisions????
great english~~~~~~~~~
是这个意思吧，我感觉最难的是自我的迷失，到感到纠结的时候多问的问题是，怎么是这样，怎么可以这样，我想说的是，答案一定会有在日后，此时如果想要从新振作自己继续前进，问题是，我想要的是什么，我需要的是什么，而不是外界的任何人。
前一段纠结我的问题是，为什么？为什么是这样？到底为什么？
事到临头才发现，放下很难。不过每天抚摸着zt温暖的肚皮，很有帮助。
"让我们再次犹豫是否应该回下头，是想要还是需要？到底有没有真的失去什么在安静的距离中？"
we hesitate again if we should go back (to before the turning point). Do we WANT or do we NEED (go back)? Did we really lose anything after setting up the distance and keeping quiet?
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有这么以个点，这个决定做了之后，整个世界一片寂静，那个时候我知道我做了最对的选择。至于这个＂安静＂是我个人喜欢用的以个词，也是我喜欢的状态。
我这是典型理科男的思维方式。以后觉得每次都rephrase一下，如果不对麻烦大家（尤其是enen）指出。
zan progress~
有这么以个点，这个决定做了之后，整个世界一片寂静，那个时候我知道我做了最对的选择。至于这个＂安静＂是我个人喜欢用的以个词，也是我喜欢的状态。
前一段纠结我的问题是，为什么？为什么是这样？到底为什么？
事到临头才发现，放下很难。不过每天抚摸着zt温暖的肚皮，很有帮助。
你上了一个楼梯了！
你咋知道cyprus姓王？
Gush, had to go to bathroom and laugh... Debbie and kp, you owe my officemate an explaination of my 'chichichi'...
Who's 王姑娘, BTW? :) Not me. ---Ah, I know now. Thanks for the tip of DUAN.
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Gush, had to go to bathroom and laugh... Debbie and kp, you owe my officemate an explaination of my 'chichichi'...
Who's 王姑娘, BTW? :) Not me.
Gush, had to go to bathroom and laugh... Debbie and kp, you owe my officemate an explaination of my 'chichichi'...
Who's 王姑娘, BTW? :) Not me.
你们这些不看武侠的乖孩子～～
Beautiful!
Looks to me the perfect way to understand enen's words upon one's own needs.
Often format limits the content.
叉腰狂笑，我对我这个3-D画的通感比喻非常得意~~
你们这些不看武侠的乖孩子～～
Not me! I just forgot it... Maybe because I read too many of them... kakaka
你上了一个楼梯了！
没那么容易啦，还是会上上下下地，挣脱，纠结，再挣脱。
现在高兴我就满足了，将来的谁知道呢，过好每一天。
今天老朋友来看小朋友，说我脸上一直笑嘻嘻的，说几句就笑，说我几年前脸上很少看到笑容，哈哈，我自己都不知道现在和以前居然有这么大的不同。
叉腰狂笑，我对我这个3-D画的通感比喻非常得意~~
Super NIU!
不是不能恐怕还是不想，需要的是用来幸存的，想要的是为了想像的，所以活在当下的话决定是清晰明确的，而活在想像中，自然会难以取舍。
是不是，一个理想，或者说宁静的状态，就是一个生存无虞的核心，任何“想要”的实现都是锦上添花，很好；不实现，也没啥威胁没啥好纠结的？
我又想象了
以下是引用enen^_^在12/17/2009 1:10:00 PM的发言：
我好象没有用＂希望＂吧？我用的就是想要和需要，这就好象是个分水岭吧，事情不是一定要如何才能如何，放下很多纠结也清晰多了吧－－－－－－－－－－－－再来：
I did not use the word "hope". To me there are only two types of (personal feelings???) - needs and wants. 后面给了个翻译但是我觉得完全是曲解了。This is where we disagree. Not everything happen for a reason. If we give up the quest for finding this reason, we'd end up less ambiguous on making decisions????
于我个人，每件事情的发生都有原因，只是当时我未必懂得足够，我一样会在日后不停的去追问，只不过是我自己，而非他人，life goes on，唯一没有变的是我，那么得到答案也是从我自身，一次次拿回的是我自己的拼图，所以我说每件事都有解，只是我们是否找对了。
我有说过，我不问题，除非我怕自己理解错了，一个是我可以最大限度使用已经摆在我面前的条件，一个是我尽量避免＂对话＂。我不使用具体的例子，一个是我不愿意讲别人的故事，也几乎不会讲我自己，再就是如果我讲故事来让别人明白，那么这里的＂功利＂太强，怎么别人就要明白我说的？其次，我说的是故事前后，所以，经历过就会知道了。至少我是这么看的吧。
于我个人，每件事情的发生都有原因，只是当时我未必懂得足够，我一样会在日后不停的去追问，只不过是我自己，而非他人，life goes on，唯一没有变的是我，那么得到答案也是从我自身，一次次拿回的是我自己的拼图，所以我说每件事都有解，只是我们是否找对了。
我有说过，我不问题，除非我怕自己理解错了，一个是我可以最大限度使用已经摆在我面前的条件，一个是我尽量避免＂对话＂。我不使用具体的例子，一个是我不愿意讲别人的故事，也几乎不会讲我自己，再就是如果我讲故事来让别人明白，那么这里的＂功利＂太强，怎么别人就要明白我说的？其次，我说的是故事前后，所以，经历过就会知道了。至少我是这么看的吧。
what if i'm curious about how you come all the way to who you are now, purely for the sake of curiosity? Would you tell? I'm interested in seeing different forms of life.
Just asking.
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看到说要告诉我啦，等我回家的
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what if i'm curious about how you come all the way to who you are now, purely for the sake of curiosity? Would you tell? I'm interested in seeing different forms of life.
Just asking.
小red，知易行难。自己去做去体会。就像兔子曾经说的，你出去即使扶老大娘过马路，也是有益处的。
what if i'm curious about how you come all the way to who you are now, purely for the sake of curiosity? Would you tell? I'm interested in seeing different forms of life.
Just asking.
恐怕不会，此时不会我的意思是。我日常生活中也是极少会说到我自己的。但是我不是我不会说自己，而是看重share the moment。这种类似讲自己故事来作为谈话一部分的事情，我不拒绝别人做，但是不是我会选择，支持或鼓励的。且，讲自己的故事给别人是拉住过去来增加自我价值的表现之一。
mystery heightens the pleasure
神秘感？
恐怕不会，此时不会我的意思是。我日常生活中也是极少会说到我自己的。但是我不是我不会说自己，而是看重share the moment。这种类似讲自己故事来作为谈话一部分的事情，我不拒绝别人做，但是不是我会选择，支持或鼓励的。且，讲自己的故事给别人是拉住过去来增加自我价值的表现之一。
明白了
恐怕不会，此时不会我的意思是。我日常生活中也是极少会说到我自己的。但是我不是我不会说自己，而是看重share the moment。这种类似讲自己故事来作为谈话一部分的事情，我不拒绝别人做，但是不是我会选择，支持或鼓励的。且，讲自己的故事给别人是拉住过去来增加自我价值的表现之一。
Agree: moments are more inspiring than the whole track... Every star has its own shining track. :)
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以下是引用enen^_^在12/17/2009 2:39:00 PM的发言：
恐怕不会，此时不会我的意思是。我日常生活中也是极少会说到我自己的。但是我不是我不会说自己，而是看重share the
moment。这种类似讲自己故事来作为谈话一部分的事情，我不拒绝别人做，但是不是我会选择，支持或鼓励的。且，讲自己的故事给别人是拉住过去来增加自
我价值的表现之一。 你平时说话也这样能省则省么？还是古文习惯啊？
小red，知易行难。自己去做去体会。就像兔子曾经说的，你出去即使扶老大娘过马路，也是有益处的。
嘻嘻，正想这周末去干啥呢，没精神负担好爽好爽~~
嘻嘻，正想这周末去干啥呢，没精神负担好爽好爽~~
好。人是有惰性的。我也喜欢呆在自己的世界里。
嘻嘻，正想这周末去干啥呢，没精神负担好爽好爽~~
我们要疯狂采购。。。