你老公如果想做高层的话,那就把绿卡等到。国内的人现在非常实际,你跟人家说你们放弃了绿卡和10万美金的年薪回国,人家都不信你们的。如果你有绿卡,很多时候你拿到的待遇和没有绿卡的是很不一样的。不知道你老公性格如何,是什么样的人。我实话实说,要想做到高层,也不那么容易的。智商情商都得高,不能光是业务强,还要了解中国国情,顺应中国国情,要不然人家觉得你装大鼻子象。 we just want to give it a try, if cannot do it, just accept the fact, but at least we tried.
你老公如果想做高层的话,那就把绿卡等到。国内的人现在非常实际,你跟人家说你们放弃了绿卡和10万美金的年薪回国,人家都不信你们的。如果你有绿卡,很多时候你拿到的待遇和没有绿卡的是很不一样的。不知道你老公性格如何,是什么样的人。我实话实说,要想做到高层,也不那么容易的。智商情商都得高,不能光是业务强,还要了解中国国情,顺应中国国情,要不然人家觉得你装大鼻子象。 I said pretty much the same thing to LZ in one of my previous posts...she kind of laughed it off...
你老公如果想做高层的话,那就把绿卡等到。国内的人现在非常实际,你跟人家说你们放弃了绿卡和10万美金的年薪回国,人家都不信你们的。如果你有绿卡,很多时候你拿到的待遇和没有绿卡的是很不一样的。不知道你老公性格如何,是什么样的人。我实话实说,要想做到高层,也不那么容易的。智商情商都得高,不能光是业务强,还要了解中国国情,顺应中国国情,要不然人家觉得你装大鼻子象。 we will keep this in mind and don't tell people that we abandoned green card, just be humble.
green card can only be kept if we go back to US every half year, after several years, we will abandon green card anyway, so we will face this problem anyway... I want to know ihly gg's opinion about this, thanks.
妹妹呀,我不是劝你humble, 在这个弱肉强食的世界,humble没用的(当然也不能太嚣张)。你能做的就是让自己变成强食,而不是弱肉。这个negotiation,就看你没有leverage.。你说你放弃了绿卡,也就是你没有绿卡了,那你这个leverage就没有了,跟人家说了也没用。要是你们绿卡可以很快拿到的话,可以等等呀。哪怕你一心想回国,多个leverage也好呀。 and being desperate for Chinese food is certainly not a leverage in any way...:-)
green card can only be kept if we go back to US every half year, after several years, we will abandon green card anyway, so we will face this problem anyway... 回美国最多就是1500美刀的事情,大可不必在乎钱。如果每年花3000刀就能拿绿卡,恐怕这里的F1蜂拥而上了吧?个人观点....
just ingore him Remember: I am teaching you a lesson this way. In America, you can choose to ignore a lot of people and things; but once back in China, the choice is totally out of your control.
妹妹呀,我不是劝你humble, 在这个弱肉强食的世界,humble没用的(当然也不能太嚣张)。你能做的就是让自己变成强食,而不是弱肉。这个negotiation,就看你没有leverage.。你说你放弃了绿卡,也就是你没有绿卡了,那你这个leverage就没有了,跟人家说了也没用。要是你们绿卡可以很快拿到的话,可以等等呀。哪怕你一心想回国,多个leverage也好呀。 green card is really hard to keep for too long, but we can keep it for 2 years.
mm, what's your opinion about this: I don't think I am better than my college classmates just because I came to US, if I want to be better than them, I need to work harder than them and have better results. My biggest leverage is my ability, if not, then I just have to accept the fact that they are better.
唉,你还真是小妹妹,其实那个gg说的也都是实在话,ignore人家就是你态度不好了。虽然他说的话你听起来刺耳,但是里面很多的道理还是没有错的。 his attitute is very bad, don't respect other people at all. [此贴子已经被作者于2009-4-21 9:56:21编辑过]
green card is really hard to keep for too long, but we can keep it for 2 years.
mm, what's your opinion about this: I don't think I am better than my college classmates just because I came to US, if I want to be better than them, I need to work harder than them and have better results. My biggest leverage is my ability, if not, then I just have to accept the fact that they are better.
green card is really hard to keep for too long, but we can keep it for 2 years.
mm, what's your opinion about this: I don't think I am better than my college classmates just because I came to US, if I want to be better than them, I need to work harder than them and have better results. My biggest leverage is my ability, if not, then I just have to accept the fact that they are better. You are wrong...you will be perceived better than your college classmates just because you came to the US, which should be your biggest leverage in the form of green card and US company experience. In China, it's all about perception -- perception is the reality per se. And you certainly will be perceived a loser who could not get a greencard and lost her job in the US if you return this way, no matter what you say to people.
Your biggest leverage is your ability? -- maybe but don't just count on it solely because that way you will be disappointed...
唉,你还真是小妹妹,其实那个gg说的也都是实在话,ignore人家就是你态度不好了。虽然他说的话你听起来刺耳,但是里面很多的道理还是没有错的。 I've met some people like that, they don't receive feedback from other people, they don't bother to be considerate. If he is my boss or my mom or my mother-in-law, I have to tolerate him and fight with him, but in this situation, why should I bother?
There are always some people who you cannot tolerate in life, of course I cannot change them, but I can ignore them.
我还真跟你有不同意见,你怎么就看出来他态度不好呢?而且就算你觉得他态度不好,也可以从他的发言里学到有用的知识呀。张良的故事你知道吧?要是张良看黄石公态度不好扭头就走,他就不是后来的张良了。大家在网上萍水相逢,谁也不认识谁,人家愿意花时间回你的贴,说一些有用的信息,其实真的很难得的。如果你回了国,你会见到一大批态度又不好,还不愿意帮你,还为难你的人。那你怎么办?不理人家? He is really interested in discovering my inside, study me and judge me based on so little. He claims I am definitely going to fail, which is not nice at all.
怎么是水深火热呢,国内是灯红酒绿呀。只是国内和美国太不一样了,所以回国要再经历一下culture shock. right, that's why I want to do it while I am young, the culture shock will be bigger when I am older and stay in US for longer.
green card is really hard to keep for too long, but we can keep it for 2 years.
mm, what's your opinion about this: I don't think I am better than my college classmates just because I came to US, if I want to be better than them, I need to work harder than them and have better results. My biggest leverage is my ability, if not, then I just have to accept the fact that they are better.
green card is really hard to keep for too long, but we can keep it for 2 years.
mm, what's your opinion about this: I don't think I am better than my college classmates just because I came to US, if I want to be better than them, I need to work harder than them and have better results. My biggest leverage is my ability, if not, then I just have to accept the fact that they are better. MM,你说的理论上对,可是实际上并不work的,你这么说有点点理想主义,认为有能力的人一定会出头,可现实社会并不是这样子的。。。即使在美国也不是
He is really interested in discovering my inside, study me and judge me based on so little. He claims I am definitely going to fail, which is not nice at all. Being nice won't help you in this case. I did predict that you will be disappointed and probably fail (depending on my criteria for sure) in two to three years time. But again I am not negating your credentials, your ability and your IQ. If you can learn from this whole thing, you sure have a bright future in front of you no matter where you go. Do follow your heart, but don't follow your stomach...and what's wrong with trying to discover your inside...don't you think that only this way I can provide help in a more targeted manner? [此贴子已经被作者于2009-4-21 10:10:20编辑过]
He is really interested in discovering my inside, study me and judge me based on so little. He claims I am definitely going to fail, which is not nice at all.
有人帮你分析内心也不错呀,也许他分析的不完全符合你,但是你可以想想他说的有没有道理,而不是简单的排斥。很多时候,人其实不知道自己内心真正想要的是什么,否则就不会有围城效应了。你确定,你现在就没有这个围城效应? right, even I cannot say I know my inside, how can he say? If I believe him, that's equal to I admit I am going to fail.
of course in China I will miss a lot of nice things in US, I miss these already.
小妹妹,如果你只是因为他说的你要fail的那句话就完全听不进去他的意见,这不是一个明智的态度。 sigh, ok, I did listen to him, I just don't like him.
I did change my area a little after I go back to China, I think the job in China fits me better than my current job. but that's done without his suggestion. [此贴子已经被作者于2009-4-21 10:35:27编辑过]
sigh, ok, I did listen to him, I just don't like him.
I did change my area a little after I go back to China, I think the job in China fits me better than my current job. but that's done without his suggestion. [此贴子已经被作者于2009-4-21 10:35:27编辑过] You will like me as long as you are listening to me now...I don't expect you to like me now...and it seems I was right in my analysis saying that you don't like your current job...
You will like me as long as you are listening to me now...I don't expect you to like me now...and it seems I was right in my analysis saying that you don't like your current job...
国内银行愿意招统计海龟吗?好像招finance的多巴 that's true, but they do accept stat phds, especially with experiences in US banks. However, those people do not want to go back China as they are earning a good fortune here.
As the credit card business in China is prospering, I see more banks hiring stat people in the future.
that's true, but they do accept stat phds, especially with experiences in US banks. However, those people do not want to go back China as they are earning a good fortune here.
As the credit card business in China is prospering, I see more banks hiring stat people in the future.
only PhDs? How about stats masters with an engineering PhD?
He is really interested in discovering my inside, study me and judge me based on so little. He claims I am definitely going to fail, which is not nice at all.
that's true, but they do accept stat phds, especially with experiences in US banks. However, those people do not want to go back China as they are earning a good fortune here.
As the credit card business in China is prospering, I see more banks hiring stat people in the future. 国内银行信用卡部门招统计Phd都是做些什么呢? 待遇怎么样? [此贴子已经被作者于2009-4-21 12:05:18编辑过]
国内银行信用卡部门招统计Phd都是做些什么呢? 待遇怎么样? [此贴子已经被作者于2009-4-21 12:05:18编辑过] I don't know if they are recruiting stat people now. I just think this is an industry that might need stat, as US banks do, as US Pharma do.
For what Stat does in US credit card companies, I believe risk analysis and control should be the main focus including generalized logistic models and discriminant analysis. I am not working in this area.... please don't take my words seriously...
你老公如果想做高层的话,那就把绿卡等到。国内的人现在非常实际,你跟人家说你们放弃了绿卡和10万美金的年薪回国,人家都不信你们的。如果你有绿卡,很多时候你拿到的待遇和没有绿卡的是很不一样的。不知道你老公性格如何,是什么样的人。我实话实说,要想做到高层,也不那么容易的。智商情商都得高,不能光是业务强,还要了解中国国情,顺应中国国情,要不然人家觉得你装大鼻子象。
we just want to give it a try, if cannot do it, just accept the fact, but at least we tried.
你老公如果想做高层的话,那就把绿卡等到。国内的人现在非常实际,你跟人家说你们放弃了绿卡和10万美金的年薪回国,人家都不信你们的。如果你有绿卡,很多时候你拿到的待遇和没有绿卡的是很不一样的。不知道你老公性格如何,是什么样的人。我实话实说,要想做到高层,也不那么容易的。智商情商都得高,不能光是业务强,还要了解中国国情,顺应中国国情,要不然人家觉得你装大鼻子象。
I said pretty much the same thing to LZ in one of my previous posts...she kind of laughed it off...
楼主英文好像很一般,估计即使想做也做不了美国公司的高层,中国公司还是有可能的。
我觉得如果光讨论英文的话,做到美国公司在中国分公司的高层还是可以的。我有朋友就是英文一般,在美国读了MBA之后回国做了跨国公司的高层,过得很爽。不过他是个非常聪明的人,点子也多。
你老公如果想做高层的话,那就把绿卡等到。国内的人现在非常实际,你跟人家说你们放弃了绿卡和10万美金的年薪回国,人家都不信你们的。如果你有绿卡,很多时候你拿到的待遇和没有绿卡的是很不一样的。不知道你老公性格如何,是什么样的人。我实话实说,要想做到高层,也不那么容易的。智商情商都得高,不能光是业务强,还要了解中国国情,顺应中国国情,要不然人家觉得你装大鼻子象。
we will keep this in mind and don't tell people that we abandoned green card, just be humble.
我觉得如果光讨论英文的话,做到美国公司在中国分公司的高层还是可以的。我有朋友就是英文一般,在美国读了MBA之后回国做了跨国公司的高层,过得很爽。不过他是个非常聪明的人,点子也多。
MBA就完全是另外一种情况了。在美国这边MBA毕业的(尤其是top school的)我都一直在鼓励他们赶紧回去。
we just want to give it a try, if cannot do it, just accept the fact, but at least we tried.
其实我很鼓励你们去try,我不是想打击你们。我的意思是,一定要有心理准备,国内比美国的生活要复杂得多。也许你回了国,就会感受到“了解中国国情,顺应中国国情”是多么重要的一件事情。
其实我很鼓励你们去try,我不是想打击你们。我的意思是,一定要有心理准备,国内比美国的生活要复杂得多。也许你回了国,就会感受到“了解中国国情,顺应中国国情”是多么重要的一件事情。
yep, totally with you.
green card can only be kept if we go back to US every half year, after several years, we will abandon green card anyway, so we will face this problem anyway...
I want to know ihly gg's opinion about this, thanks.
we will keep this in mind and don't tell people that we abandoned green card, just be humble.
妹妹呀,我不是劝你humble, 在这个弱肉强食的世界,humble没用的(当然也不能太嚣张)。你能做的就是让自己变成强食,而不是弱肉。这个negotiation,就看你没有leverage.。你说你放弃了绿卡,也就是你没有绿卡了,那你这个leverage就没有了,跟人家说了也没用。要是你们绿卡可以很快拿到的话,可以等等呀。哪怕你一心想回国,多个leverage也好呀。
妹妹呀,我不是劝你humble, 在这个弱肉强食的世界,humble没用的(当然也不能太嚣张)。你能做的就是让自己变成强食,而不是弱肉。这个negotiation,就看你没有leverage.。你说你放弃了绿卡,也就是你没有绿卡了,那你这个leverage就没有了,跟人家说了也没用。要是你们绿卡可以很快拿到的话,可以等等呀。哪怕你一心想回国,多个leverage也好呀。
and being desperate for Chinese food is certainly not a leverage in any way...:-)
and being desperate for Chinese food is certainly not a leverage in any way...:-)
对小妹妹,要厚道,要厚道。
对小妹妹,要厚道,要厚道。
just ingore him
green card can only be kept if we go back to US every half year, after several years, we will abandon green card anyway, so we will face this problem anyway...
回美国最多就是1500美刀的事情,大可不必在乎钱。如果每年花3000刀就能拿绿卡,恐怕这里的F1蜂拥而上了吧?个人观点....
绿卡10年有效,保你几年无忧 (你还要多做research,这方面我白纸一张,有点信口开河)。几年之后中国的发展也就定型了,不会象现在这样充满不确定性。
另外我觉得有了绿卡之后abandon,可以解释为曾有移民倾向而现在没了,所以abandon绿卡,对签证有利。没拿到绿卡也可以这样解释,不过签证官怎么想就不一定了(同样,最好看看之前绿卡海归族是怎么处理这个问题的)
实话说这方面我没啥发言权,话不可靠
just ingore him
唉,你还真是小妹妹,其实那个gg说的也都是实在话,ignore人家就是你态度不好了。虽然他说的话你听起来刺耳,但是里面很多的道理还是没有错的。
just ingore him
Remember: I am teaching you a lesson this way. In America, you can choose to ignore a lot of people and things; but once back in China, the choice is totally out of your control.
妹妹呀,我不是劝你humble, 在这个弱肉强食的世界,humble没用的(当然也不能太嚣张)。你能做的就是让自己变成强食,而不是弱肉。这个negotiation,就看你没有leverage.。你说你放弃了绿卡,也就是你没有绿卡了,那你这个leverage就没有了,跟人家说了也没用。要是你们绿卡可以很快拿到的话,可以等等呀。哪怕你一心想回国,多个leverage也好呀。
green card is really hard to keep for too long, but we can keep it for 2 years.
mm, what's your opinion about this: I don't think I am better than my college classmates just because I came to US, if I want to be better than them, I need to work harder than them and have better results. My biggest leverage is my ability, if not, then I just have to accept the fact that they are better.
唉,你还真是小妹妹,其实那个gg说的也都是实在话,ignore人家就是你态度不好了。虽然他说的话你听起来刺耳,但是里面很多的道理还是没有错的。
his attitute is very bad, don't respect other people at all.
[此贴子已经被作者于2009-4-21 9:56:21编辑过]
green card is really hard to keep for too long, but we can keep it for 2 years.
mm, what's your opinion about this: I don't think I am better than my college classmates just because I came to US, if I want to be better than them, I need to work harder than them and have better results. My biggest leverage is my ability, if not, then I just have to accept the fact that they are better.
赞mm 心态~
其实我很鼓励你们去try,我不是想打击你们。我的意思是,一定要有心理准备,国内比美国的生活要复杂得多。也许你回了国,就会感受到“了解中国国情,顺应中国国情”是多么重要的一件事情。
大部分人不都是从国内过来吗?在国内生活了十多二十多年了,在美国呆几年再回去就不适应了?国内那么多亲戚熟人不都是各个活的好好的?也没见谁水深火热啊
green card is really hard to keep for too long, but we can keep it for 2 years.
mm, what's your opinion about this: I don't think I am better than my college classmates just because I came to US, if I want to be better than them, I need to work harder than them and have better results. My biggest leverage is my ability, if not, then I just have to accept the fact that they are better.
You are wrong...you will be perceived better than your college classmates just because you came to the US, which should be your biggest leverage in the form of green card and US company experience. In China, it's all about perception -- perception is the reality per se. And you certainly will be perceived a loser who could not get a greencard and lost her job in the US if you return this way, no matter what you say to people.
Your biggest leverage is your ability? -- maybe but don't just count on it solely because that way you will be disappointed...
his attibute is very bad, don't respect other people at all.
我还真跟你有不同意见,你怎么就看出来他态度不好呢?而且就算你觉得他态度不好,也可以从他的发言里学到有用的知识呀。张良的故事你知道吧?要是张良看黄石公态度不好扭头就走,他就不是后来的张良了。大家在网上萍水相逢,谁也不认识谁,人家愿意花时间回你的贴,说一些有用的信息,其实真的很难得的。如果你回了国,你会见到一大批态度又不好,还不愿意帮你,还为难你的人。那你怎么办?不理人家?
唉,你还真是小妹妹,其实那个gg说的也都是实在话,ignore人家就是你态度不好了。虽然他说的话你听起来刺耳,但是里面很多的道理还是没有错的。
I've met some people like that, they don't receive feedback from other people, they don't bother to be considerate. If he is my boss or my mom or my mother-in-law, I have to tolerate him and fight with him, but in this situation, why should I bother?
There are always some people who you cannot tolerate in life, of course I cannot change them, but I can ignore them.
大部分人不都是从国内过来吗?在国内生活了十多二十多年了,在美国呆几年再回去就不适应了?国内那么多亲戚熟人不都是各个活的好好的?也没见谁水深火热啊
怎么是水深火热呢,国内是灯红酒绿呀。只是国内和美国太不一样了,所以回国要再经历一下culture shock.
我还真跟你有不同意见,你怎么就看出来他态度不好呢?而且就算你觉得他态度不好,也可以从他的发言里学到有用的知识呀。张良的故事你知道吧?要是张良看黄石公态度不好扭头就走,他就不是后来的张良了。大家在网上萍水相逢,谁也不认识谁,人家愿意花时间回你的贴,说一些有用的信息,其实真的很难得的。如果你回了国,你会见到一大批态度又不好,还不愿意帮你,还为难你的人。那你怎么办?不理人家?
He is really interested in discovering my inside, study me and judge me based on so little. He claims I am definitely going to fail, which is not nice at all.
怎么是水深火热呢,国内是灯红酒绿呀。只是国内和美国太不一样了,所以回国要再经历一下culture shock.
right, that's why I want to do it while I am young, the culture shock will be bigger when I am older and stay in US for longer.
green card is really hard to keep for too long, but we can keep it for 2 years.
mm, what's your opinion about this: I don't think I am better than my college classmates just because I came to US, if I want to be better than them, I need to work harder than them and have better results. My biggest leverage is my ability, if not, then I just have to accept the fact that they are better.
在谈判的时候,最重要的是对方眼里你的leverage是什么,而不是你眼里的leverage。
green card is really hard to keep for too long, but we can keep it for 2 years.
mm, what's your opinion about this: I don't think I am better than my college classmates just because I came to US, if I want to be better than them, I need to work harder than them and have better results. My biggest leverage is my ability, if not, then I just have to accept the fact that they are better.
MM,你说的理论上对,可是实际上并不work的,你这么说有点点理想主义,认为有能力的人一定会出头,可现实社会并不是这样子的。。。即使在美国也不是
看得出你对自己能力还是很有自信,这是一件好事,面试甚至以后工作的时候体现了这种自信对你也是leverage
唉,你还真是小妹妹,其实那个gg说的也都是实在话,ignore人家就是你态度不好了。虽然他说的话你听起来刺耳,但是里面很多的道理还是没有错的。
nod nod
虽然态度不咋地
说的还是挺在点子上
He is really interested in discovering my inside, study me and judge me based on so little. He claims I am definitely going to fail, which is not nice at all.
Being nice won't help you in this case. I did predict that you will be disappointed and probably fail (depending on my criteria for sure) in two to three years time. But again I am not negating your credentials, your ability and your IQ. If you can learn from this whole thing, you sure have a bright future in front of you no matter where you go. Do follow your heart, but don't follow your stomach...and what's wrong with trying to discover your inside...don't you think that only this way I can provide help in a more targeted manner?
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He is really interested in discovering my inside, study me and judge me based on so little. He claims I am definitely going to fail, which is not nice at all.
有人帮你分析内心也不错呀,也许他分析的不完全符合你,但是你可以想想他说的有没有道理,而不是简单的排斥。很多时候,人其实不知道自己内心真正想要的是什么,否则就不会有围城效应了。你确定,你现在就没有这个围城效应?
I've met some people like that, they don't receive feedback from other people, they don't bother to be considerate.
这话那个ybzh也可以这么说诶
怎么是水深火热呢,国内是灯红酒绿呀。只是国内和美国太不一样了,所以回国要再经历一下culture shock.
这个和个人性格有关吧,有的人就是喜欢一个人不和别人交朋友搞社交,那可能就比较适合在美国生存。不过现在在国内也有这样的城市,人和人之间的关系比较淡,就是不多而已。
Do follow your heart, but don't follow your stomach...
哈哈,很喜欢你说的这句话。不过你对人家小妹妹也别死缠烂打,揪住这个茬不放了。要厚道,要厚道。
MM,你说的理论上对,可是实际上并不work的,你这么说有点点理想主义,认为有能力的人一定会出头,可现实社会并不是这样子的。。。即使在美国也不是
甭说了
劝人这回事
是最吃力不讨好的而且多半没啥用
想想自己有多顽固就很容易放弃这种无谓的努力了
Do follow your heart, but don't follow your stomach...
hehe
在谈判的时候,最重要的是对方眼里你的leverage是什么,而不是你眼里的leverage。
en, that's very true.
这话那个ybzh也可以这么说诶
then that's a win-win, we just don't belong to the same circle.
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MM,你说的理论上对,可是实际上并不work的,你这么说有点点理想主义,认为有能力的人一定会出头,可现实社会并不是这样子的。。。即使在美国也不是
看得出你对自己能力还是很有自信,这是一件好事,面试甚至以后工作的时候体现了这种自信对你也是leverage
right, I am prepared to face the reality in China.
有人帮你分析内心也不错呀,也许他分析的不完全符合你,但是你可以想想他说的有没有道理,而不是简单的排斥。很多时候,人其实不知道自己内心真正想要的是什么,否则就不会有围城效应了。你确定,你现在就没有这个围城效应?
right, even I cannot say I know my inside, how can he say? If I believe him, that's equal to I admit I am going to fail.
of course in China I will miss a lot of nice things in US, I miss these already.
right, even I cannot say I know my inside, how can he say? If I believe him, that's equal to I admit I am going to fail.
of course in China I will miss a lot of nice things in US, I miss these already.
小妹妹,如果你只是因为他说的你要fail的那句话就完全听不进去他的意见,这不是一个明智的态度。
小妹妹,如果你只是因为他说的你要fail的那句话就完全听不进去他的意见,这不是一个明智的态度。
sigh, ok, I did listen to him, I just don't like him.
I did change my area a little after I go back to China, I think the job in China fits me better than my current job. but that's done without his suggestion.
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sigh, ok, I did listen to him, I just don't like him.
I did change my area a little after I go back to China, I think the job in China fits me better than my current job. but that's done without his suggestion.
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You will like me as long as you are listening to me now...I don't expect you to like me now...and it seems I was right in my analysis saying that you don't like your current job...
请看中国的信用制度,发展了10几年了,国家投资也很大,效果你也能看到
不过就象我刚才说的,其实你也不是需要特别care制药前景,你的统计知识活学活用,任何行业都有你的用武之地
问个问题,除了制药业,可能还有marketing research,国内还有哪些别的行业用统计知识?
既然有这么多富有经验的过来人在这儿指正,我也披个马夹问个问题。象我这种来美国快十年,却连绿卡都没有申请过的人,如果回国,是否人们直接就把我定位为loser啊?我和公司谈判工薪的时候是不是压跟就别提绿卡的事?如果公司问起,我该如何回应呢?
我觉得有绿卡这件事并不一定对在国内找工作有利,你说自己有绿卡,公司可能就会觉得你在他那里留下来的决心不够,就是随时干的不高兴就可以走人,这种情况一般公司还挺忌讳的。我的看法啊,不知道对不对。还有,说实在的,我不觉得回国就是loser,拿我自己的感觉说,美国是比中国好,但已经没有好到天上地下的程度了,这个程度并不值得你留在美国一辈子。在美国学习工作一段时间回国发展挺正常的,你诚恳的说出自己的感受,人家都是理解的。
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You will like me as long as you are listening to me now...I don't expect you to like me now...and it seems I was right in my analysis saying that you don't like your current job...
这位gg你真是够执着的~~~
这位gg你真是够执着的~~~
that's because I care...
问个问题,除了制药业,可能还有marketing research,国内还有哪些别的行业用统计知识?
Banks, search engines, advertising, etc.
Banks, search engines, advertising, etc.
国内银行愿意招统计海龟吗?好像招finance的多巴
国内银行愿意招统计海龟吗?好像招finance的多巴
that's true, but they do accept stat phds, especially with experiences in US banks. However, those people do not want to go back China as they are earning a good fortune here.
As the credit card business in China is prospering, I see more banks hiring stat people in the future.
that's true, but they do accept stat phds, especially with experiences in US banks. However, those people do not want to go back China as they are earning a good fortune here.
As the credit card business in China is prospering, I see more banks hiring stat people in the future.
only PhDs? How about stats masters with an engineering PhD?
only PhDs? How about stats masters with an engineering PhD?
I have no idea. I am only talking about LZMM's major. I never indicated "only phds" :-)
对小妹妹,要厚道,要厚道。
我支持concord mm
I have no idea. I am only talking about LZMM's major. I never indicated "only phds" :-)
Oh, I was just wondering. Sorry to detour the discussion. This is a very nice post, almost best I've seen on huren chats so far.
He is really interested in discovering my inside, study me and judge me based on so little. He claims I am definitely going to fail, which is not nice at all.
我想他的意思并不是说你一定会fail,而是觉得现实跟你的perception有不少出入,你可能会失望,这种状态会影响你归之后的实际工作和生活。其他几个表达保留意见的id大概也是这个意思。
你不喜欢他说话的方式没关系,但是他的意见和信息还是有不少中肯之处的。这也就是在网上大家顾忌不那么多,在现实生活中,要碰到这么直言不讳的人还不容易呢。附和赞同最容易了,又讨好又不用承担责任。
that's true, but they do accept stat phds, especially with experiences in US banks. However, those people do not want to go back China as they are earning a good fortune here.
As the credit card business in China is prospering, I see more banks hiring stat people in the future.
国内银行信用卡部门招统计Phd都是做些什么呢? 待遇怎么样?
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如果你继续在跨国公司工作,并有雄心成为高层,国际间行走是必然的。如果你公司总部在美国,你又来不了,后果是什么呢?就是公司的高高层根本不认识你,如此你又如何成为高层呢?
你申请过绿卡了,为了国内一份工作回去,也就可能为了美国一份工作再回来,移民倾向显然存在,B1签证倒不是一定被拒,只是风险很高。这样就显得你之前申请绿卡很不智。我觉得绿卡一定要拿,除非美国移民政策变了
个人浅见
楼主有没有可能拿个H1回去啊?我觉得这样是最保险的,而且税上来讲,可以file个dual status, 不用全交美国税。
有人帮你分析内心也不错呀,也许他分析的不完全符合你,但是你可以想想他说的有没有道理,而不是简单的排斥。很多时候,人其实不知道自己内心真正想要的是什么,否则就不会有围城效应了。你确定,你现在就没有这个围城效应?
agree。
人终归是有局限性的,对自己再怎么了解,总难免有死角或偏颇之处,所以说“不识庐山真面目,只缘身在此山中”。其他人的看法不一定100%地反应自己,但也可能reveal自己从来没注意到某些方面呢。
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哈哈,很喜欢你说的这句话。不过你对人家小妹妹也别死缠烂打,揪住这个茬不放了。要厚道,要厚道。
就是,就是。
ybzh说的许多话还是很有道理的,LZMM也是聪明人,我想她也体会ybzh的话中有道理的、跟她相关的部分。如果死缠烂打,让LZ彻底烦了,什么都不想听了,不也辜负了自己规劝的好意和打字的辛苦么?
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就是,就是。
ybzh说的许多话还是很有道理的,LZMM也是聪明人,我想她也体会ybzh的话中有道理的、跟她相关的部分。如果死缠烂打,让LZ彻底烦了,什么都不想听了,不也辜负了自己规劝的好意和打字的辛苦么?
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我觉得ybzh不辛苦,心里很快乐呢。
国内银行信用卡部门招统计Phd都是做些什么呢? 待遇怎么样?
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I don't know if they are recruiting stat people now. I just think this is an industry that might need stat, as US banks do, as US Pharma do.
For what Stat does in US credit card companies, I believe risk analysis and control should be the main focus including generalized logistic models and discriminant analysis. I am not working in this area.... please don't take my words seriously...
我觉得ybzh不辛苦,心里很快乐呢。
那么多帖子也是一个字一个字码起来的,当然,快乐肯定是快乐的。
我怎么感觉好像楼主并没有想做高层的意思呢?其实我们女人,很多时候就是想自己过得舒服一些,家庭美满一些,好像在事业方面倒不那么看重。我很理解楼主想国内的美食,因为我也很想回去吃好吃的,当然我还没有海归的意思,我觉得海燕满好的。
i am 100% with you,我也喜欢飞来飞去。
那么多帖子也是一个字一个字码起来的,当然,快乐肯定是快乐的。
当然快乐。码字是我的爱好之一,所以国内我还经常发表个文章啥的。如果能用来帮助别人就是added bonus了。
i am 100% with you,我也喜欢飞来飞去。
太频繁的飞来飞去也很累。记得有一年来回飞了15次,而且有一次是刚回美国的第二天就需要飞回去,当时哭的心都有。一年4到6回比较好。
太频繁的飞来飞去也很累。记得有一年来回飞了15次,而且有一次是刚回美国的第二天就需要飞回去,当时哭的心都有。一年4到6回比较好。 15
15次是15个单程还是来回?
有一次,我每6个星期飞一次国际长途(有些比回中国短程一些)。就觉得很郁闷了。
太频繁的飞来飞去也很累。记得有一年来回飞了15次,而且有一次是刚回美国的第二天就需要飞回去,当时哭的心都有。一年4到6回比较好。
妈呀,我肯定不能跟你比拉,我顶多一年回去两次,觉得已经足够了。主要是我回去也是吃喝玩乐,你有business不一样。
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当然快乐。码字是我的爱好之一,所以国内我还经常发表个文章啥的。如果能用来帮助别人就是added bonus了。
你再码个100篇,就可以要威望了
妈呀,我肯定不能跟你比拉,我顶多一年回去两次,觉得已经足够了。主要是我回去也是吃喝玩乐,你有business不一样。
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每年回趟国就把假给用干净了,这点比较不爽~
15次是15个单程还是来回?
有一次,我每6个星期飞一次国际长途(有些比回中国短程一些)。就觉得很郁闷了。
15个来回。最频繁的一年。而且那年事情都堆在一块了:公司刚起步,两个男娃刚出生。所以会两头跑的最频繁,还好挺过来了。
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每年回趟国就把假给用干净了,这点比较不爽~
那就两年回一次,另外一年去其它国家。
15个来回。最频繁的一年。而且那年事情都堆在一块了:公司刚起步,两个男娃刚出生。所以会两头跑的最频繁,还好挺过来了。
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想知道生双胞胎有什么诀窍吗?
15个来回。最频繁的一年。而且那年事情都堆在一块了:公司刚起步,两个男娃刚出生。所以会两头跑的最频繁,还好挺过来了。
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你家两口子都很了不起。
想知道生双胞胎有什么诀窍吗?
No clue. It just happened. You probably don't want to have this type of thing over-engineered.
那就两年回一次,另外一年去其它国家。
只有慢慢熬了~
什么时候能象ybzh那样干半年活休息半年就好啦!
只有慢慢熬了~
什么时候能象ybzh那样干半年活休息半年就好啦!
我休息不了那么长时间,现在基本上是美国一个月或者一个半月,中国两个月左右。
你家两口子都很了不起。
了不起谈不上。相信你在同样的情况下也会做到这一点的。当时最怕的就是生病。所以不管如何,我觉得锻炼身体的习惯很重要。
15个来回。最频繁的一年。而且那年事情都堆在一块了:公司刚起步,两个男娃刚出生。所以会两头跑的最频繁,还好挺过来了。
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你家老婆和孩子是留在美国还是在中国呀?也面临这样的选择,想听听你选择的理由。我家老公一年来回个7,8次吧。
你家老婆和孩子是留在美国还是在中国呀?也面临这样的选择,想听听你选择的理由。我家老公一年来回个7,8次吧。
他们在美国。应该算是我们一起选择的结果吧。没有什么特别的理由,除了我太太更喜欢美国这边的生活环境以外,还有就是我们都觉得应该让小孩在一个相对宽松的环境下成长。和很多选择留在美国的家庭应该大致相同了。我们家里其实当初我是最想回去的(因为我是比较爱玩的一个人),所以会先回去给跨国公司打工,在北京常驻了一段时间。后来为了维系家庭的完整和兼顾自己事业的发展,决定出来自己办公司,就这样变成了两头跑的“空中飞人”。时间久了,反而对当时向往的国内美食和娱乐产生了厌倦的心理,再加上以前的同学和朋友都需忙于生计,美食和娱乐更多地变成了生意场上用于交际和应酬的物事,自己一个人的时候往往是一碗面条或者一盘炒饭就打发了事。这可能也是为什么我会觉得楼主把口腹之欲作为主要原因海归而不值吧。
归根结底,起初主要是太太不想回去,当然她倒不是贪图美国这边的物质生活(她国内的家境非常好),主要是因为她属于那种与世无争、内向安静的性格,觉得美国的环境更适合自己而已。我两头跑得多了,看多了国内的热闹和浮躁,现在也开始觉得美国是一个放松身心的好地方,闲暇时间躺在沙发上看看书和陪陪家人成了我最大的乐趣。
他们在美国。应该算是我们一起选择的结果吧。没有什么特别的理由,除了我太太更喜欢美国这边的生活环境以外,还有就是我们都觉得应该让小孩在一个相对宽松的环境下成长。和很多选择留在美国的家庭应该大致相同了。我们家里其实当初我是最想回去的(因为我是比较爱玩的一个人),所以会先回去给跨国公司打工,在北京常驻了一段时间。后来为了维系家庭的完整和兼顾自己事业的发展,决定出来自己办公司,就这样变成了两头跑的“空中飞人”。时间久了,反而对当时向往的国内美食和娱乐产生了厌倦的心理,再加上以前的同学和朋友都需忙于生计,美食和娱乐更多地变成了生意场上用于交际和应酬的物事,自己一个人的时候往往是一碗面条或者一盘炒饭就打发了事。这可能也是为什么我会觉得楼主把口腹之欲作为主要原因海归而不值吧。
归根结底,起初主要是太太不想回去,当然她倒不是贪图美国这边的物质生活(她国内的家境非常好),主要是因为她属于那种与世无争、内向安静的性格,觉得美国的环境更适合自己而已。我两头跑得多了,看多了国内的热闹和浮躁,现在也开始觉得美国是一个放松身心的好地方,闲暇时间躺在沙发上看看书和陪陪家人成了我最大的乐趣。
谢谢分享经验,能看破浮华需要一定时间的沉淀, 恭喜你做到了。
lzmm应该是跟我差不多年纪的,呵呵。可是我还在念phD,baby也还在肚子里。呵呵。很多想法也还是类似的。LD也一直在跟我念叨要回国,他不太喜欢现在在美国的工作。说老实话,我也不喜欢我自己在美国的样子,都不像原来的我了。始终觉得是个边缘人。至于生活啊,孩子的教育啊,哪里好,哪里不好,都看你到底看中什么的。人各有志。看完这么多跟贴,决定还是应该开始打算回国,机会只给有准备的人吧。
这种男女双方都愿意回去的其实最好,起码回去以后如果有什么不开心的话谁也不能埋怨对方。
再来继续说说这个绿卡问题啊,我实话实说,希望不要offend到哪个mm。
这个绿卡,我们可以轻易地放弃,可能因为我们确实是很容易就拿到了,所以没觉得有啥好的。我觉得绿卡只是在美国survive的一个工具,和thrive一点关系也没有,又不是什么award。既然我们以后打算回国定居,这个绿卡就成鸡肋了,我们不想为了它每半年非来美国一次不可,我们年假有限,去欧洲去国内去哪都行,也可以来美国,就是不想被逼着每半年非得来。
我们一路走到现在,感觉总是有个奔头,总是很忙总是为了个目标奋斗,现在啥都得到了工作也上了轨道,自己5年后10年后的样子都能看见了,实在是觉得很没意思,很想折腾折腾,可能再过几年就会更喜欢安稳吧。
说这个绿卡对回国发展多有用,是基于美国人比中国人金贵的基础之上的吧?我向来不这么认为,所以没当回事。当然别人有可能当回事了,那我就不能控制了。
这种男女双方都愿意回去的其实最好,起码回去以后如果有什么不开心的话谁也不能埋怨对方。
这个得感谢我lg,呵呵,不枉我当初选择了他。
为什么只有在国内才是奋斗,在美国就不是奋斗呢?
没啥意思了,就是按部就班上班升职。而且升也升不太上去了。
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你是不是想说没有节制的欲望都是不好的?
为什么只有在国内才是奋斗,在美国就不是奋斗呢?
美国当然也是奋斗,说国内是对我自己而言的。
没啥意思了,就是按部就班上班升职。而且升也升不太上去了。
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其实这是自己瞧不起自己的一种表现,没有人逼你们在美国就一定要按部就班上班吧。可以自己开公司,可以自己做咨询,选择很多的嘛。不过按照你的这种思维(年假有限、按部就班上班什么的),你回去不也是给人打工谋生吗?何谈thrive呢?
美食是吸引我回国的原因之一,但也不能武断的说是唯一原因。父母是原因之一,父母决定了早晚要回,但是没决定现在就要回。回国是肯定的。
再来继续说说这个绿卡问题啊,我实话实说,希望不要offend到哪个mm。
这个绿卡,我们可以轻易地放弃,可能因为我们确实是很容易就拿到了,所以没觉得有啥好的。我觉得绿卡只是在美国survive的一个工具,和thrive一点关系也没有,又不是什么award。既然我们以后打算回国定居,这个绿卡就成鸡肋了,我们不想为了它每半年非来美国一次不可,我们年假有限,去欧洲去国内去哪都行,也可以来美国,就是不想被逼着每半年非得来。
我们一路走到现在,感觉总是有个奔头,总是很忙总是为了个目标奋斗,现在啥都得到了工作也上了轨道,自己5年后10年后的样子都能看见了,实在是觉得很没意思,很想折腾折腾,可能再过几年就会更喜欢安稳吧。
说这个绿卡对回国发展多有用,是基于美国人比中国人金贵的基础之上的吧?我向来不这么认为,所以没当回事。当然别人有可能当回事了,那我就不能控制了。
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其实大家劝你拿绿卡,也是建议你留条后路。如果你觉得可以不要后路,那也无所谓。MM年纪轻,想折腾是好事。就是要做好适当的准备就是了。中国也不是天堂,也不意味着不是上班下班的平淡生活,保证一定会升职。不过文化上会有一些优势,生活会丰富些,和朋友亲人近些,这都是值得回去的理由。但在职场上要做好思想准备。
其实这是自己瞧不起自己的一种表现,没有人逼你们在美国就一定要按部就班上班吧。可以自己开公司,可以自己做咨询,选择很多的嘛。不过按照你的这种思维(年假有限、按部就班上班什么的),你回去不也是给人打工谋生吗?何谈thrive呢?
打工打得高一点好一点对我也算thrive啊,我在中国升的比美国容易我当然选捷径了啊。我觉得自己不适合创业,而且就算创业也还是中国方便一点,年轻了去摔跟头创业也比年龄大了好啊。
说半天还是没有让我留绿卡的很强的理由啊。
恩,看来绿卡最重要的用处就是我们在中国实在混不下去了好歹有条后路。
打工打得高一点好一点对我也算thrive啊,我在中国升的比美国容易我当然选捷径了啊。我觉得自己不适合创业,而且就算创业也还是中国方便一点,年轻了去摔跟头创业也比年龄大了好啊。
说半天还是没有让我留绿卡的很强的理由啊。
决定要你自己做,大家的PERSPECTIVE都不同,别人不过是说点不同意见罢了。
美食是吸引我回国的原因之一,但也不能武断的说是唯一原因。父母是原因之一,父母决定了早晚要回,但是没决定现在就要回。回国是肯定的。
再来继续说说这个绿卡问题啊,我实话实说,希望不要offend到哪个mm。
这个绿卡,我们可以轻易地放弃,可能因为我们确实是很容易就拿到了,所以没觉得有啥好的。我觉得绿卡只是在美国survive的一个工具,和thrive一点关系也没有,又不是什么award。既然我们以后打算回国定居,这个绿卡就成鸡肋了,我们不想为了它每半年非来美国一次不可,我们年假有限,去欧洲去国内去哪都行,也可以来美国,就是不想被逼着每半年非得来。
我们一路走到现在,感觉总是有个奔头,总是很忙总是为了个目标奋斗,现在啥都得到了工作也上了轨道,自己5年后10年后的样子都能看见了,实在是觉得很没意思,很想折腾折腾,可能再过几年就会更喜欢安稳吧。
说这个绿卡对回国发展多有用,是基于美国人比中国人金贵的基础之上的吧?我向来不这么认为,所以没当回事。当然别人有可能当回事了,那我就不能控制了。
每个人都有不同的价值观和追求,绿卡并不是每个人都看重的东西。有些人觉得重要的可能有些人看得却很淡的,有些人真的没必要把自己的观点强加给别人。lz的心态不错,回国也会有很好的发展的,支持和理解lz的决定。
决定要你自己做,大家的PERSPECTIVE都不同,别人不过是说点不同意见罢了。
我就是想看看别人的意见里有没有让我们等绿卡的理由,没有就算了。
其实这是自己瞧不起自己的一种表现,没有人逼你们在美国就一定要按部就班上班吧。可以自己开公司,可以自己做咨询,选择很多的嘛。不过按照你的这种思维(年假有限、按部就班上班什么的),你回去不也是给人打工谋生吗?何谈thrive呢?
04年我老公想海归,我就是这么劝他的。我说在哪里都可以干事业,不是一定在中国。你在美国面对的问题,在中国一样可能面对,不能把回国作为自己在美国干的不顺利、不开心的逃避。重要的IMPROVE自己!
现在不想归的是他了。所以说,人的想法会变的,尤其是随着境遇而变。
我就是想看看别人的意见里有没有让我们等绿卡的理由,没有就算了。
好像有人说了如果放弃绿卡以后签非移民签证会有问题。工作签证好像没关系,不过你得在中国找美国的工作。还是google一下看看吧。
恩,看来绿卡最重要的用处就是我们在中国实在混不下去了好歹有条后路。
不一定是混不下去,有可能混的很好,但想回美国的。