I have thought about PM should be next step, but after reconstrauction, managers gone, PM take bigger role, PM won't be easy for me now. my company has a team called channel managers, they are coordinating between developers and business. is there any roles like this in your company?
depending on the project delivery life cycle and process, BA could be a good choice and easy to transit.
I know a friend and her friend too changed to BA, but does it need a lot of writing skill? I am worried about that. ALthough we can always have template from previous project, but writing is headache.
my company has a team called channel managers, they are coordinating between developers and business. is there any roles like this in your company? no, it's like PM or BA here. But since the PM's responsibility changed today, they are also not called PM any more .
I know a friend and her friend too changed to BA, but does it need a lot of writing skill? I am worried about that. ALthough we can always have template from previous project, but writing is headache. writing, making presentations, facilitating meetings such as working sessions, review meetings, user survey, .etc. the skillset for BA has quite some overlapping with PM role. so in some companies PM will do both project manament and business analysis tasks. In your company, the PM role sounds more like Program Manager, not only managing projects but personnel as well.
不善于做PM的话 是不是可以做PRODUCT MANAGER...architect... architect really need the intelligence, I don't have that, I know some architect, worse than developers, so they can not be in that position for long.
architect really need the intelligence, I don't have that, I know some architect, worse than developers, so they can not be in that position for long. you need to be in tech lead role for several years to get chances of becoming architect. It's pretty hard.
writing, making presentations, facilitating meetings such as working sessions, review meetings, user survey, .etc. the skillset for BA has quite some overlapping with PM role. so in some companies PM will do both project manament and business analysis tasks. In your company, the PM role sounds more like Program Manager, not only managing projects but personnel as well. yes, they were only project manager, now they are more like program manager, not clear about their new title yet.
architect really need the intelligence, I don't have that, I know some architect, worse than developers, so they can not be in that position for long. our company是 developer 上面是, 1,2,3,4, 然后 team lead...etc...then, product manager... 主要是我觉得PM太繁琐了...要做很多吃力不讨好的事情... 还不如就做个TEAM LEAD管几个人来得轻松
our company是 developer 上面是, 1,2,3,4, 然后 team lead...etc...then, product manager... 主要是我觉得PM太繁琐了...要做很多吃力不讨好的事情... 还不如就做个TEAM LEAD管几个人来得轻松 team lead can be manager later. but after the structure change, i felt confused of my career path, it ruined my plan. [此贴子已经被作者于2008-11-6 14:51:19编辑过]
architect really need the intelligence, I don't have that, I know some architect, worse than developers, so they can not be in that position for long. my suggestion is, if they offer you the opportunity to transit to BA, training courses and mentor are available, then take it. The assumption is you do want to leave the development work. Your programming experiences are always a plus for careers like BA or PM. You doneed to put some effort on improving interpersonal skills and business domain knowledge to excel in new role.
team lead can be manager later. but after the structure change, i felt confused of my career path, it ruined my plan. [此贴子已经被作者于2008-11-6 14:51:19编辑过]
Did yu talk to your manager about you plan? A good manager is supposed to help you with your plan also. You need to let him know what you want to do with your career, and he shuold provide the opportunity.
my suggestion is, if they offer you the opportunity to transit to BA, training courses and mentor are available, then take it. The assumption is you do want to leave the development work. Your programming experiences are always a plus for careers like BA or PM. You doneed to put some effort on improving interpersonal skills and business domain knowledge to excel in new role. thanks still water and all else who replied my question
my suggestion is, if they offer you the opportunity to transit to BA, training courses and mentor are available, then take it. The assumption is you do want to leave the development work. Your programming experiences are always a plus for careers like BA or PM. You doneed to put some effort on improving interpersonal skills and business domain knowledge to excel in new role. very goood point
Did yu talk to your manager about you plan? A good manager is supposed to help you with your plan also. You need to let him know what you want to do with your career, and he shuold provide the opportunity. he becomes developers today!
偶要向你学习...明年.
我是美国留学生中最菜的
如果我都能做到
你一定可以
不一样不一样
我先天的
嫩后天遭受不幸
我每次犯错
小白爸爸就要疯掉了
从最开始觉得我傻得可爱
到后来觉得我傻得让他受不了
他一想发火的时候
就想
她这样都过了三十年了，她多可怜啊，不骂她了。
我家zt要能够这么想就好了！
y
depending on the project delivery life cycle and process, BA could be a good choice and easy to transit.
yeah
how long is it between her return of first visa, and application of 2nd visa?
I think you need to be in that position for certain years before you can get the certificate...not just the exams
I have thought about PM should be next step, but after reconstrauction, managers gone, PM take bigger role, PM won't be easy for me now.
who are you reporting to then?
PM
呼唤你!!!
我这饭吃的怎么这是时候。
ben ba, i haven't see you............
我这饭吃的怎么这是时候。
精华，快携夫君一起奔！
精华，快携夫君一起奔！
精华，快携夫君一起奔！
I think you need to be in that position for certain years before you can get the certificate...not just the exams
yup.... but it is a career path.
精华，快携夫君一起奔！
精华，快携夫君一起奔！
I have thought about PM should be next step, but after reconstrauction, managers gone, PM take bigger role, PM won't be easy for me now.
my company has a team called channel managers, they are coordinating between developers and business. is there any roles like this in your company?
depending on the project delivery life cycle and process, BA could be a good choice and easy to transit.
I know a friend and her friend too changed to BA, but does it need a lot of writing skill? I am worried about that. ALthough we can always have template from previous project, but writing is headache.
以下是引用baomeima在2008-11-6 14:37:00的发言：
精华，快携夫君一起奔！
精华，快携夫君一起奔！
好吧，找一张年轻时候的合影。
等。。
是不是可以做PRODUCT MANAGER...architect...
my company has a team called channel managers, they are coordinating between developers and business. is there any roles like this in your company?
no, it's like PM or BA here. But since the PM's responsibility changed today, they are also not called PM any more .
精华回我的帖子打太多的字了，对不住了。
和尚妈要是愿意陪奔,大家更开心...
好吧，找一张年轻时候的合影。
s=================================
和尚妈要是愿意陪奔,大家更开心...
wake up
wake up
I know a friend and her friend too changed to BA, but does it need a lot of writing skill? I am worried about that. ALthough we can always have template from previous project, but writing is headache.
writing, making presentations, facilitating meetings such as working sessions, review meetings, user survey, .etc.
the skillset for BA has quite some overlapping with PM role. so in some companies PM will do both project manament and business analysis tasks.
In your company, the PM role sounds more like Program Manager, not only managing projects but personnel as well.
不善于做PM的话
是不是可以做PRODUCT MANAGER...architect...
architect really need the intelligence, I don't have that, I know some architect, worse than developers, so they can not be in that position for long.
不善于做PM的话
是不是可以做PRODUCT MANAGER...architect...
这个也不好做，技术更新很快，得不停地学新东西。。
我现在最想做的是医生，以前老爸老妈软硬兼施我死活不肯，现在后悔也来不及了。。
too
late
[此贴子已经被作者于2008-11-6 14:45:07编辑过]
architect really need the intelligence, I don't have that, I know some architect, worse than developers, so they can not be in that position for long.
you need to be in tech lead role for several years to get chances of becoming architect. It's pretty hard.
writing, making presentations, facilitating meetings such as working sessions, review meetings, user survey, .etc.
the skillset for BA has quite some overlapping with PM role. so in some companies PM will do both project manament and business analysis tasks.
In your company, the PM role sounds more like Program Manager, not only managing projects but personnel as well.
yes, they were only project manager, now they are more like program manager, not clear about their new title yet.
以下内容需要威望达到5才可以浏览
太有夫妻相了.
有福气和夫妻相的两口子
非常的有夫妻相
以下内容需要威望达到5才可以浏览
soooooo cute , sooooooooo young , soooooooooooo sweet
so cute..........very fu qi xiang....11 looks like u a lot
2min， 过时不补。
youth is just so good! cgx it
zt - adhoc
清葱岁月啊。。俊男倩女
你夫君也很有福气相
以下内容需要威望达到5才可以浏览
真般配的一对呀！
architect really need the intelligence, I don't have that, I know some architect, worse than developers, so they can not be in that position for long.
our company是 developer 上面是, 1,2,3,4, 然后 team lead...etc...then, product manager...
主要是我觉得PM太繁琐了...要做很多吃力不讨好的事情...
还不如就做个TEAM LEAD管几个人来得轻松
[Power=5]
too
late
[此贴子已经被作者于2008-11-6 14:45:07编辑过]
啊!!!!精华啊,不可以这样!!!!
我就去了一下厕所就错过了??!!!!
啊!!!!精华啊,不可以这样!!!!
我就去了一下厕所就错过了??!!!!
我就憋着没去厕所，现在可以轻松得去了！
以下内容需要威望达到5才可以浏览
幸福的一对
我竟然发现我可以看见WW5...谁加的呀...谢谢谢谢
我像毛主席保证眼皮也不眨地等着.
our company是 developer 上面是, 1,2,3,4, 然后 team lead...etc...then, product manager...
主要是我觉得PM太繁琐了...要做很多吃力不讨好的事情...
还不如就做个TEAM LEAD管几个人来得轻松
PM要开很多会,不自由.
幸福的一对
我竟然发现我可以看见WW5...谁加的呀...谢谢谢谢
干妈, you are so lucky today!
这个也不好做，技术更新很快，得不停地学新东西。。
我现在最想做的是医生，以前老爸老妈软硬兼施我死活不肯，现在后悔也来不及了。。
还来得及...
偶知道某米国人50多岁去学医了...
偶不行,虽然偶也想...可是看见血的时间长了,偶就晕
our company是 developer 上面是, 1,2,3,4, 然后 team lead...etc...then, product manager...
主要是我觉得PM太繁琐了...要做很多吃力不讨好的事情...
还不如就做个TEAM LEAD管几个人来得轻松
team lead can be manager later. but after the structure change, i felt confused of my career path, it ruined my plan.
[此贴子已经被作者于2008-11-6 14:51:19编辑过]
嗯，有肉肉的鼻子是旺夫的
哈哈，这倒是头一次听说。希望这是真的。 yiyi鼻子也随我。
呵呵，谢谢大家。那会儿是年轻啊。夫妻相，可能有点？一般没人说。因为我们俩体积上相差比较大，大概这个差异比较吸引注意力？
没看见,遗憾呀遗憾,你再奔个一分钟,威望4好不
呵呵，谢谢大家。那会儿是年轻啊。夫妻相，可能有点？一般没人说。因为我们俩体积上相差比较大，大概这个差异比较吸引注意力？
1分钟,1分钟!!!!
我以后都憋着不随便去厕所了.
干妈, you are so lucky today!
恩恩
architect really need the intelligence, I don't have that, I know some architect, worse than developers, so they can not be in that position for long.
my suggestion is, if they offer you the opportunity to transit to BA, training courses and mentor are available, then take it. The assumption is you do want to leave the development work.
Your programming experiences are always a plus for careers like BA or PM. You doneed to put some effort on improving interpersonal skills and business domain knowledge to excel in new role.
要是一头先杂进来，正好看到精华。
我错过了
今天来不及了。没看到的。回头到msn上补一个。
没有msn,大哭!!!!
今天来不及了。没看到的。回头到msn上补一个。
好的好的,我也不用玩命刷评了,你就贴菜园子里吧
没有msn,大哭!!!!
give me your email
还来得及...
偶知道某米国人50多岁去学医了...
偶不行,虽然偶也想...可是看见血的时间长了,偶就晕
偶觉得偶是学医的料.
我敢杀活鱼,活龙虾,还有活田鸡.
而且给鸡鸭剔骨头,那是干净利索.
team lead can be manager later. but after the structure change, i felt confused of my career oath, it ruined my plan.
其实偶自己觉得越做到后面越迷糊...真的不知道应该怎么走...
team lead can be manager later. but after the structure change, i felt confused of my career path, it ruined my plan.
[此贴子已经被作者于2008-11-6 14:51:19编辑过]
Did yu talk to your manager about you plan?
A good manager is supposed to help you with your plan also. You need to let him know what you want to do with your career, and he shuold provide the opportunity.
偶觉得偶是学医的料.
我敢杀活鱼,活龙虾,还有活田鸡.
而且给鸡鸭剔骨头,那是干净利索.
then, go go go
next time we can all have free consultations
[此贴子已经被作者于2008-11-6 14:55:06编辑过]
my suggestion is, if they offer you the opportunity to transit to BA, training courses and mentor are available, then take it. The assumption is you do want to leave the development work.
Your programming experiences are always a plus for careers like BA or PM. You doneed to put some effort on improving interpersonal skills and business domain knowledge to excel in new role.
thanks still water and all else who replied my question
上来哭一下，珂珂昨晚发烧到104度，吓死我了！一宿就看着她不停的量体温了！
//pat pat
给药给水少穿衣看医生
上来哭一下，珂珂昨晚发烧到104度，吓死我了！一宿就看着她不停的量体温了！
现在好了没？Bless!
上来哭一下，珂珂昨晚发烧到104度，吓死我了！一宿就看着她不停的量体温了！
pat pat
这么高，除了吃药还要用水擦身物理降温
bless
my suggestion is, if they offer you the opportunity to transit to BA, training courses and mentor are available, then take it. The assumption is you do want to leave the development work.
Your programming experiences are always a plus for careers like BA or PM. You doneed to put some effort on improving interpersonal skills and business domain knowledge to excel in new role.
very goood point
上来哭一下，珂珂昨晚发烧到104度，吓死我了！一宿就看着她不停的量体温了！
bless bless..... mei gui zhen ??
上来哭一下，珂珂昨晚发烧到104度，吓死我了！一宿就看着她不停的量体温了！
抱抱!!!今天好点吗?
then, go go go
next time we can all have free consultation
可惜, 我这把年龄, 背不动那些医学术语了...
愿望彻底破灭.
我指望三宝里有一个去学医.
Did yu talk to your manager about you plan?
A good manager is supposed to help you with your plan also. You need to let him know what you want to do with your career, and he shuold provide the opportunity.
he becomes developers today!
上来哭一下，珂珂昨晚发烧到104度，吓死我了！一宿就看着她不停的量体温了！
Does the temperature go down now?
偶觉得偶是学医的料.
我敢杀活鱼,活龙虾,还有活田鸡.
而且给鸡鸭剔骨头,那是干净利索.
我讲个笑话，我小时候去我妈单位找她，结果我妈出去办事了。我呢正好赶上、她们单位分鸡，一人一只（我们单位每个月啥都分，我长好大都不知道这些东西还要钱，以为哪都是分的）。
我妈单位的叔叔看我来，要我带回去，我那个不情愿呀！没办法，我就自己拿回去。
怎么拿的，到现在我同学还学我，我让别人用长绳子把鸡脚拴着，我倒着领着绳，手平行与地面，我给领回去了，还累得我回家写作业，手都发抖。
我跳进来吼一下，我能带购安家粉灰条的裙子，要的姐妹去排队。
在哪呀？
上来哭一下，珂珂昨晚发烧到104度，吓死我了！一宿就看着她不停的量体温了！
这么高,是不是有炎症?
偶觉得偶是学医的料.
我敢杀活鱼,活龙虾,还有活田鸡.
而且给鸡鸭剔骨头,那是干净利索.
上来哭一下，珂珂昨晚发烧到104度，吓死我了！一宿就看着她不停的量体温了！
抱抱，现在降了没？小声问，这么高的温度应该去医院了吧！
上来哭一下，珂珂昨晚发烧到104度，吓死我了！一宿就看着她不停的量体温了！
现在好点没有？
he becomes developers today!
what?
在哪呀？
你要得话，不用排队。肯定有。
上来哭一下，珂珂昨晚发烧到104度，吓死我了！一宿就看着她不停的量体温了！
how about now? still that high? bless bless