假如有500万美元,夫妻两个人都50岁,每年按4%withdraw作为花费, Obama care买起来,一个月1500到2000撑死了,投资就按7%的盈利算,每年还有增长,不太明白怎么不够退休了?求大神们给指点指点。 There are some people say 7% is not possible. But please check this out. The average return for ETF investing varies significantly depending on the specific ETF, as returns are tied to the underlying index or asset class, market conditions, and investment timeframe. However, broad market ETFs, like those tracking the S&P 500, have historically delivered average annual returns in the 7-10% range after accounting for inflation over the long term. For example, the S&P 500 index has averaged around a 10% annual return since its inception, with some growth-focused ETFs achieving even higher returns like 15% or more in recent favorable periods.
ChatGPT 的答案两口人50退休需要多少钱, assuming a 3.25% safe withdrawal rate. Annual Spendin Needed Portfolio (3.5% WR) $60,000~$1.7 million $80,000~$2.3 million $100,000~$2.85 million $120,000~$3.4 million 一年12万我觉得对很多人已经很多了吧
The average return for ETF investing varies significantly depending on the specific ETF, as returns are tied to the underlying index or asset class, market conditions, and investment timeframe. However, broad market ETFs, like those tracking the S&P 500, have historically delivered average annual returns in the 7-10% range after accounting for inflation over the long term. For example, the S&P 500 index has averaged around a 10% annual return since its inception, with some growth-focused ETFs achieving even higher returns like 15% or more in recent favorable periods. why 7% is not possible?
lifeisgood2017 发表于 2025-09-02 22:17 The average return for ETF investing varies significantly depending on the specific ETF, as returns are tied to the underlying index or asset class, market conditions, and investment timeframe. However, broad market ETFs, like those tracking the S&P 500, have historically delivered average annual returns in the 7-10% range after accounting for inflation over the long term. For example, the S&P 500 index has averaged around a 10% annual return since its inception, with some growth-focused ETFs achieving even higher returns like 15% or more in recent favorable periods. why 7% is not possible?
lifeisgood2017 发表于 2025-09-02 22:17 The average return for ETF investing varies significantly depending on the specific ETF, as returns are tied to the underlying index or asset class, market conditions, and investment timeframe. However, broad market ETFs, like those tracking the S&P 500, have historically delivered average annual returns in the 7-10% range after accounting for inflation over the long term. For example, the S&P 500 index has averaged around a 10% annual return since its inception, with some growth-focused ETFs achieving even higher returns like 15% or more in recent favorable periods. why 7% is not possible?
lifeisgood2017 发表于 2025-09-02 22:17 The average return for ETF investing varies significantly depending on the specific ETF, as returns are tied to the underlying index or asset class, market conditions, and investment timeframe. However, broad market ETFs, like those tracking the S&P 500, have historically delivered average annual returns in the 7-10% range after accounting for inflation over the long term. For example, the S&P 500 index has averaged around a 10% annual return since its inception, with some growth-focused ETFs achieving even higher returns like 15% or more in recent favorable periods. why 7% is not possible?
average since its inception。。。这个你不能这么看,现在大家对SPY这么有信心因为过去十年的确长势凶猛。我的理解是过去十年因为聪明手机的普及完全改变了整个ecosystem,消费和生活方式,所以GDP有个spike,你再往前看00-10年那个时候是不是美国还挺"great", 但是SPY就比较平缓,00年10年一头一尾还经历两个悲催market crash。 00年我还是个高中生对此一无所知。09年次贷危机的时候就看到很多人说自己的退休金腰斩甚至膝斩,现在我们能比较confident地说美股总会涨回来的。但是看看SPY从08年底crash一直到13年才bounce back,4-5年时间,家有大学娃正好这4-5年需要529付学费的,损失惨重,毕竟日子可以抠搜过少取点退休金,但是大学学费不会给你打折,只有吐血卖股票从529拿钱。我们80后90后才3-40的年纪这辈子就已经经历了3个market crash,who knows when's the next ... betting on 7% annual return 退休,你觉得呢。。。
There are some people say 7% is not possible. But please check this out.
The average return for ETF investing varies significantly depending on the specific ETF, as returns are tied to the underlying index or asset class, market conditions, and investment timeframe. However, broad market ETFs, like those tracking the S&P 500, have historically delivered average annual returns in the 7-10% range after accounting for inflation over the long term. For example, the S&P 500 index has averaged around a 10% annual return since its inception, with some growth-focused ETFs achieving even higher returns like 15% or more in recent favorable periods.
“够不够”压根就不是个标准 人 哪有够的
记得白雪公主的后妈吗,每天问魔镜她是不是世界上最美,他们不是问退休够不够,他们是确定他们站金字塔顶层迎风招展,现实里又不能在额头上纹身表示身价也怕被人盯上,在论坛问问又安全又不花钱又同时达到炫富的三合一。
这么多存款,还qualify Obama Care吗?
看收入不看资产? 不过有这么多资产被动收入应该也过线了。 1500-2000应该是商业保险的价格,每个人。
这东西没标准,物价通胀地税啥的,关键在于,别生病!健健康康绝大多数人绝对够了
你觉得够了你就退啊,别人觉得不够不退,就不退呗。退休都要一刀切么?对大部分美国人民,不到5百万也可以退了,但华人上有500万也还不退的,我觉得也没啥问题。我周围50上下的同事,家里这些年资产应该可以的人,好几个都说最完美的退休时间是等着被雷拿包裹“强制”退休。
那就别想了,接着干!
不觉得真的想着传给子孙后代,但未来几十年有很多不确定性,居安思危,快退休的人希望未来更稳妥些也没错了。想想当年的万元户,非万元户的普通人眼里,和现在的multi-million 差不多感觉。没几年,万元户就不值钱了。大部分人,一旦退休多年,就很难再返回职场找到当年退休时相当的工作了,所以,退休的决定是单行线,有条件的情况下,有的人喜欢保守些,也无可非议吧。就算是有的人就喜欢钱,喜欢钱越多越好,只要都是合法收入,也没碍着旁人吧。当然,鼓吹只有X百万才能退休之类的言论,贩卖焦虑,确实令人反感。
其实我一下子想起,也没几年前在reddit上看到一个湾区码农,应该是白人,35岁挣下3米存款加股票,就FIRE了。两娃5岁,7岁,老婆蹲家,好像没说房子,白人很多不在湾区买房。不知道他们现在怎么样了。不过白人有个好处是可以去阿拉巴马密苏里老家这些非常低col的地方生活,他们也不存在什么怕被歧视,也不嫌弃村。
笑死了,每日一问:魔镜啊魔镜,资产10米够退休吗?
您说的退休是65吧?楼主说的是55好吧
真不明白是数学不好算不明白呢还是贪婪到愚蠢了。
你同事的资产配置相当的极端啊
但是,有两点 1)绝大多数人不想把钱用光,多多少少还是希望留点给小孩 2)你不知道你几岁死,万一你100岁死怎么办?
你同事一天吃几顿上几次厕所是不是也跟你报告得清清楚楚的
wxc上, 疫情前口号还是攒够10个米,后来就变成50个米,现在是说攒够一个亿。 股市涨得也没这么疯,通货膨胀也没有涨10倍
看来wxc的通货膨胀比华人上的更厉害🤣🤣🤣
我和你赌一根黄瓜,年轻时候抠抠搜搜的人,老了会更葛朗台,绝对舍不得五星酒店和商务舱。
哈哈哈,魔镜这个比喻绝了
如果是湾区的房产的确不太行,还有多少贷款不好说,转化成房租没多少钱,还要交高额的地税。卖了的话税一交就又少了一大截。
ChatGPT 的答案两口人50退休需要多少钱, assuming a 3.25% safe withdrawal rate.
Annual Spendin Needed Portfolio (3.5% WR) $60,000~$1.7 million $80,000~$2.3 million $100,000~$2.85 million $120,000~$3.4 million
一年12万我觉得对很多人已经很多了吧
肯定的,上班每月有收入都抠抠搜搜的,到时没工资了,更要省着花了.
标准是4%withdraw rate, not even the return rate for retirement planning
真诚求教怎样才能有7%盈利?谢谢
没有人500万都在退休账户里,70多岁才有惩罚措施
不评论够不够。但是7%不太可能。
哪来的6000多
嗯,你就是比所有搞retirement planning 的都牛,别人都只能按最多4%算,但你最低7%。楼主就按7%算就好了,不需要说服网友。
你试试看好了。
对!单收入SS拿1.5倍大概率是到不了$6000的
两个人500万还是一个人
对,我也觉得主要是看流动资金,大部人房产的价值占nw太高了
估计那层主是想让她老公70岁退休…
其实拖到55岁退挺好,取401k没有10% penalty,之前还有收入不用担心流动资金。
这些回复真是臆想啊,我家就是现在退休,生活都一点问题没有,国内国外都有现成的房子,买的很早,两人都上班早,后来有机会来美国就来了,国内两人的社保医保都交满20年了,净资产也有几百万了,没觉得有任何问题啊,虽然是单收入,但我呆在家是我们家最舒服的模式吧
大部分…不稀奇
现在是股市高阶段,投资房比前也涨了不少,想退休就卖呗 没有什么高增长低现金流卖不掉的东西,不过是贪婪而已
all in spy啊
好多人自己401k选了啥都不看 平时也不理财 动不动质疑人家7%
这种的可能连401k是啥的都不知道,最多4%?30十年美国国债都有5%了好吧
50岁的时候,还没空巢,所以退休也不自由。不退休,在干熟了的工作上再混几年,也不需要咬牙,就能每年多收入几十万的,why not的感觉。
我退休的同事,都是娃们已经离家,空巢了的。
是的 所以有孩子的人就变成了工作机器 早上何时起床 晚上几点睡觉 一年中什么时候旅行 人生何时退休都是跟着孩子走的 孩子让人成为螺丝钉 标准化了
躺床上动不了要24小时贴身护理的,怎么可能活10年
average since its inception。。。这个你不能这么看,现在大家对SPY这么有信心因为过去十年的确长势凶猛。我的理解是过去十年因为聪明手机的普及完全改变了整个ecosystem,消费和生活方式,所以GDP有个spike,你再往前看00-10年那个时候是不是美国还挺"great", 但是SPY就比较平缓,00年10年一头一尾还经历两个悲催market crash。
00年我还是个高中生对此一无所知。09年次贷危机的时候就看到很多人说自己的退休金腰斩甚至膝斩,现在我们能比较confident地说美股总会涨回来的。但是看看SPY从08年底crash一直到13年才bounce back,4-5年时间,家有大学娃正好这4-5年需要529付学费的,损失惨重,毕竟日子可以抠搜过少取点退休金,但是大学学费不会给你打折,只有吐血卖股票从529拿钱。我们80后90后才3-40的年纪这辈子就已经经历了3个market crash,who knows when's the next ... betting on 7% annual return 退休,你觉得呢。。。
是的,我家净资产增值最多的就是401k