现在每年有2万人，不是在判定为脑死亡（brain dead）之后才开始有器官移植的人入场。而是医生主观判定无法恢复自主循环（所谓circulatory death）之后，在意识清醒，还有大脑活动的情况下，只要家属同意就直接拔管子，开始摘除器官 很多时候器官移植负责人会 aggressively pursuing circulatory death donors and pushing families and doctors toward surgery Workers in several states said they had seen coordinators persuading hospital clinicians to administer morphine, propofol and other drugs to hasten the death of potential donors. “In Miami in 2023, a potential donor who had broken his neck began crying and biting on his breathing tube, which a procurement organization worker said he interpreted as him not wanting to die. But clinicians sedated the patient, withdrew life support, waited for death and removed the organs, according to the worker and a colleague he told at the time. In West Virginia, doctors were taken aback after Benjamin Parsons, a 27-year-old man paralyzed in a car accident, was brought to an operating room and asked to consent to donating his organs as he was coming off sedatives. Communicating through blinks, he indicated that he did not give permission. Still, coordinators initially went to move forward, according to text messages and interviews.
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Circulatory death donation is different. These patients are on life support, often in a coma. Their prognoses are more of a medical judgment call.
They are alive, with some brain activity, but doctors have determined that they are near death and won’t recover. If relatives agree to donation, doctors withdraw life support and wait for the patient’s heart to stop. This has to happen within an hour or two for the organs to be considered viable. After the person is declared dead, surgeons go in.
The Times found that some organ procurement organizations — the nonprofits in each state that have federal contracts to coordinate transplants — are aggressively pursuing circulatory death donors and pushing families and doctors toward surgery. Hospitals are responsible for patients up to the moment of death, but some are allowing procurement organizations to influence treatment decisions.
Fifty-five medical workers in 19 states told The Times they had witnessed at least one disturbing case of donation after circulatory death.
Workers in several states said they had seen coordinators persuading hospital clinicians to administer morphine, propofol and other drugs to hasten the death of potential donors.
“I think these types of problems are happening much more than we know,” said Dr. Wade Smith, a longtime neurologist at the University of California, San Francisco, who frequently evaluates potential donors and has studied donation after circulatory death.
A recent federal investigation — prompted by the case of a Kentucky man whose organs were pursued even as he shook his head and drew his knees to his chest — found that the state’s procurement organization had ignored signs of increasing consciousness in 73 potential donors.
In interviews with health care workers, as well as a review of internal records, audio recordings and text messages, The Times confirmed 12 additional cases in nine states that troubled medical workers or were being investigated.
Most of these patients ultimately died, so it is impossible to know what they experienced. Doctors expressed worry that some patients might have recovered if given more time on life support. Other patients may have felt pain or emotional distress in the last hours of their lives.
The questions have taken on greater urgency as this type of donation has grown rapidly in the last five years, driven in part by federal pressure on procurement organizations to increase transplants. At the same time, the government has largely allowed the transplant system to police itself.
In 2022, when she was 38 and homeless, Ms. Gallegos was hospitalized and went into a coma. Doctors at Presbyterian Hospital in Albuquerque told her family she would never recover.
Her relatives agreed to donation, but as preparations began, they saw tears in her eyes. Their concerns were dismissed, according to interviews with the family and eight hospital workers. Donation coordinators said the tears were a reflex. (Tears can be an involuntary response to irritants.)
On the day of the planned donation, Ms. Gallegos was taken to a pre-surgery room, where her two sisters held her hands. A doctor arrived to withdraw life support. Then a sister announced she had seen Ms. Gallegos move. The doctor asked her to blink her eyes, and she complied. The room erupted in gasps.
Still, hospital workers said, the procurement organization wanted to move forward. A coordinator said it was just reflexes and suggested morphine to reduce movements. The hospital refused. Instead, workers brought her back to her room, and she made a full recovery.
Presbyterian made the treatment decisions, but hospital workers said they faced pressure from the procurement organization, New Mexico Donor Services.
“All they care about is getting organs,” said Neva Williams, a veteran intensive care nurse at the hospital. “They’re so aggressive. It’s sickening.”
The modern, Big Pharma-controlled sick-care system was largely the creation of oil tycoon John D. Rockefeller, who used his fortune to discredit and suppress preventative natural medicine, in favour of using petroleum-based pharmaceuticals to treat the mere symptoms of illness. pic.twitter.com/PzsycohYXt — Wide Awake Media (@wideawake_media) June 7, 2025
做为参与器官移植过程的医护人员之一，DNR (do not resuscitate) order, 就是不救患者的决定，一定要由患者本身（如果有能力做决策），或患者的health Care proxy（如果患者意识模糊） 来做的。医生没有这个权利决定任何人的生死。他们的作用是解释病情，对危重病人根据患者或家人的医疗决策来决定下一步是治还是不治。所以这个人说看到患者哭，四处张望，然后医生拔管这个事，也许是她表面上看到的，但拔管这个事，包括器官移植一定需要患者或家属同意才能进行。哪怕患者在最后一刻后悔，希望医生治疗，都不能不治。但人将死之前伤心可能难免，所以这一幕被这个人看到，不了解背景而自己错误解读（就是患者或家人本身已经做了不救的决定而她不知道，而只有医生能执行这个决定）。后来她也不做这行了，对这行的流程更无从了解。有的患者拔呼吸管以后，几个小时内还有自主呼吸，器官移植过程就会终止，然后再重新给病人做评估。医疗的本质是人能救就会救，这跟黑道贩卖器官有本质区别。器官从一个人身上摘除是最简单的步骤，黑道会拿去换大钱，但在医疗系统之内，这才是花钱的开始，之后复杂的移植去救活另一个人，或几个人，一般需要外科病理麻醉数个科室在半夜工作（白天手术室都有繁忙的手术安排，所以器官移植一般在晚上凌晨做以节省资源），而接受移植的患者的护理，都是要花很多医疗资源的。医生能拿到什么回扣？反正我做为医生之一从未听说。我们就是拿一个W2, 晚上的值班费都没有。 当然，不信任美国医疗，而选择不捐器官，这完全是个人自由。但说这边医疗系统是草菅人命，你当然可以选择有病自己扛或回国治就好。
SingMom 发表于 2025-07-26 08:57 做为参与器官移植过程的医护人员之一，DNR (do not resuscitate) order, 就是不救患者的决定，一定要由患者本身（如果有能力做决策），或患者的health Care proxy（如果患者意识模糊） 来做的。医生没有这个权利决定任何人的生死。他们的作用是解释病情，对危重病人根据患者或家人的医疗决策来决定下一步是治还是不治。所以这个人说看到患者哭，四处张望，然后医生拔管这个事，也许是她表面上看到的，但拔管这个事，包括器官移植一定需要患者或家属同意才能进行。哪怕患者在最后一刻后悔，希望医生治疗，都不能不治。但人将死之前伤心可能难免，所以这一幕被这个人看到，不了解背景而自己错误解读（就是患者或家人本身已经做了不救的决定而她不知道，而只有医生能执行这个决定）。后来她也不做这行了，对这行的流程更无从了解。有的患者拔呼吸管以后，几个小时内还有自主呼吸，器官移植过程就会终止，然后再重新给病人做评估。医疗的本质是人能救就会救，这跟黑道贩卖器官有本质区别。器官从一个人身上摘除是最简单的步骤，黑道会拿去换大钱，但在医疗系统之内，这才是花钱的开始，之后复杂的移植去救活另一个人，或几个人，一般需要外科病理麻醉数个科室在半夜工作（白天手术室都有繁忙的手术安排，所以器官移植一般在晚上凌晨做以节省资源），而接受移植的患者的护理，都是要花很多医疗资源的。医生能拿到什么回扣？反正我做为医生之一从未听说。我们就是拿一个W2, 晚上的值班费都没有。 当然，不信任美国医疗，而选择不捐器官，这完全是个人自由。但说这边医疗系统是草菅人命，你当然可以选择有病自己扛或回国治就好。
普渡医药为了赚钱，一家企业就差不多搞死了几十万美国人。。 而这种企业应该不是个例。。。 Purdue Pharma developed aggressive marketing tactics persuading doctors to prescribe OxyContin in particular. Doctors were enticed with free trips to pain-management seminars (which were effectively all-expenses-paid vacations) and paid speaking engagements. Sales of their drugs soared, as did the number of people dying from overdoses.[3] From 1999 to 2020, nearly 841,000 people died from drug overdoses in the United States, with prescription and illicit opioids responsible for 500,000 of those deaths
贴个全文 People across the United States have endured rushed or premature attempts to remove their organs. Some were gasping, crying or showing other signs of life. Last spring at a small Alabama hospital, a team of transplant surgeons prepared to cut into Misty Hawkins. The clock was ticking. Her organs wouldn't be usable for much longer. Days earlier, she had been a vibrant 42-year-old with a playful sense of humor and a love for the Thunder Beach Motorcycle Rally. But after Ms. Hawkins choked while eating and fell into a coma, her mother decided to take her off life support and donate her organs. She was removed from a ventilator and, after 103 minutes, declared dead. A surgeon made an incision in her chest and sawed through her breastbone. That's when the doctors discovered her heart was beating. She appeared to be breathing. They were slicing into Ms. Hawkins while she was alive. Across the United States, an intricate system of hospitals, doctors and nonprofit donation coordinators carries out tens of thousands of lifesaving transplants each year. At every step, it relies on carefully calibrated protocols to protect both donors and recipients. But in recent years, as the system has pushed to increase transplants, a growing number of patients have endured premature or bungled attempts to retrieve their organs. Though Ms. Hawkins's case is an extreme example of what can go wrong, a New York Times examination revealed a pattern of rushed decision-making that has prioritized the need for more organs over the safety of potential donors. In New Mexico, a woman was subjected to days of preparation for donation, even after her family said that she seemed to be regaining consciousness, which she eventually did. In Florida, a man cried and bit on his breathing tube but was still withdrawn from life support. In West Virginia, doctors were appalled when coordinators asked a paralyzed man coming off sedatives in an operating room for consent to remove his organs. Stories like these have emerged as the transplant system has increasingly turned to a type of organ removal called donation after circulatory death. It accounted for a third of all donations last year: about 20,000 organs, triple the number from five years earlier. Most donated organs in the United States come from people who are brain-dead -- an irreversible state -- and are kept on machines only to maintain their organs. Circulatory death donation is different. These patients are on life support, often in a coma. Their prognoses are more of a medical judgment call. They are alive, with some brain activity, but doctors have determined that they are near death and won't recover. If relatives agree to donation, doctors withdraw life support and wait for the patient's heart to stop. This has to happen within an hour or two for the organs to be considered viable. After the person is declared dead, surgeons go in. The Times found that some organ procurement organizations -- the nonprofits in each state that have federal contracts to coordinate transplants -- are aggressively pursuing circulatory death donors and pushing families and doctors toward surgery. Hospitals are responsible for patients up to the moment of death, but some are allowing procurement organizations to influence treatment decisions. Fifty-five medical workers in 19 states told The Times they had witnessed at least one disturbing case of donation after circulatory death. Workers in several states said they had seen coordinators persuading hospital clinicians to administer morphine, propofol and other drugs to hasten the death of potential donors. ''I think these types of problems are happening much more than we know,'' said Dr. Wade Smith, a longtime neurologist at the University of California, San Francisco, who frequently evaluates potential donors and has studied donation after circulatory death. A recent federal investigation -- prompted by the case of a Kentucky man whose organs were pursued even as he shook his head and drew his knees to his chest -- found that the state's procurement organization had ignored signs of increasing consciousness in 73 potential donors. In interviews with health care workers, as well as a review of internal records, audio recordings and text messages, The Times confirmed 12 additional cases in nine states that troubled medical workers or were being investigated. Most of these patients ultimately died, so it is impossible to know what they experienced. Doctors expressed worry that some patients might have recovered if given more time on life support. Other patients may have felt pain or emotional distress in the last hours of their lives. The questions have taken on greater urgency as this type of donation has grown rapidly in the last five years, driven in part by federal pressure on procurement organizations to increase transplants. At the same time, the government has largely allowed the transplant system to police itself. In interviews, leaders of the system said that donation after circulatory death was safe and critical to saving thousands of lives every year. The Association of Organ Procurement Organizations, a trade group, said in a statement that potential donors receive the same quality of care as any other patient until a doctor declares them dead. The group attributed any errors to hospitals. The association said it was misguided to focus on a small number of cases with bad outcomes. ''These stories paint a frightening, inaccurate and unbalanced view of our system,'' it said. Several groups representing hospitals didn't respond to requests for comment. The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, whose agencies oversee hospitals and procurement organizations, said in a statement that it was improving patient protections. Dr. Robert Cannon, a transplant surgeon at the University of Alabama at Birmingham, said he believed the system was hesitant to confront safety lapses during circulatory death donations, out of fear that people would stop donating. ''I don't know the scope of the problem. I don't know that anybody does,'' he said. ''That's the scary thing.'' A Beating Heart Ms. Hawkins, who had a lifelong cognitive disability, lived with her mother and stepfather in Midland City, Ala. She loved movies and dancing around the living room to Alan Jackson songs. She insisted on celebrating her birthday for the entire month of August. She was eating lunch at home on May 21, 2024, when she choked on a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. Her stepfather called 911, and doctors at Flowers Hospital in nearby Dothan removed the obstruction, but her brain suffered oxygen deprivation that left her comatose on a ventilator, records show. Her mother, Faye Johnson, raced to the hospital from her job at a car dealership. Doctors said Ms. Hawkins would never again breathe on her own and gave her mother 72 hours to decide whether to move her to a nursing home or withdraw life support. Ms. Johnson did not want her daughter to suffer. She asked about organ donation, she said, because she wanted some good to come of the tragedy. Alabama's procurement organization, Legacy of Hope, coordinated the donation. It ran tests, chose recipients and arranged for an outside company, TransMedics, to send surgeons to remove the organs. Ms. Hawkins was wheeled to an operating room. Her family said a final goodbye. Flowers Hospital is a Level III trauma center, meaning it lacks some of the capabilities of larger institutions. It rarely handles circulatory death donation, data shows. Ms. Hawkins was one of just three attempts last year. In the operating room, a hospital doctor took Ms. Hawkins off the ventilator and gave her drugs for comfort. The doctor declared her dead 103 minutes later, near the outer limit of organ viability. The surgeons entered the room. They began operating after a five-minute waiting period. All circulatory death donations require a waiting period to ensure the heart does not restart. Almost immediately, they saw Ms. Hawkins's heart moving. Records reviewed by The Times characterized the movement differently: Legacy of Hope called it ''reanimation,'' as did Flowers, which also said the heart ''fluttered.'' An H.H.S. review of the case said the heart was beating strongly enough to pump blood through the body. Records from the procurement organization also noted ''subsequent gasping respirations,'' a type of breathing. The surgeons stopped and left the room. Another doctor sewed up Ms. Hawkins. It is unclear if she was given any anesthetic. Twelve minutes later, she was again declared dead. Ms. Johnson was on her way home when she received a call from Legacy of Hope. A coordinator said her daughter's organs had not been used, but did not tell her what had happened. Nor did Flowers. Ms. Johnson learned the details from The Times more than a year later. Five doctors with expertise in critical care who independently reviewed Ms. Hawkins's records at The Times's request said it was all but impossible that her heart restarted after the waiting period. Research has found that when people are taken off life support, their hearts do not restart on their own after five minutes. The doctors said they were particularly struck by indications that Ms. Hawkins was breathing, which meant she had at least minimal brain activity. They each said the declaration of death was very likely premature. ''I highly doubt that proper procedures were followed, because if they're followed correctly, this could not happen,'' said Dr. Robert Truog, a Harvard University bioethicist who serves on a transplant system working group on circulatory death donation. In a statement, Flowers Hospital said it had correctly followed its protocols. ''Misty Hawkins was declared deceased by a very experienced and highly reputable member of our medical staff, and that happened only after five minutes with no cardiopulmonary function or vital signs,'' it said. The hospital declined to comment on the improbability of a heart restarting after five minutes or on the procurement organization's records saying Ms. Hawkins was breathing. TransMedics said in a statement that its surgeons ''immediately stopped the procedure once they saw that the donor's heart was beating'' and notified Legacy of Hope. The procurement organization declined to comment on the case. A contractor working for H.H.S. investigated and found ''no deficiencies'' at the hospital or procurement organization, according to letters reviewed by The Times. H.H.S. declined to provide further details. Ms. Johnson said she was still struggling to understand the loss of her daughter and desperately hoped she had not suffered during surgery. More than a year later, she still speaks to her every day. Her daughter's bedroom remains as it was when she was alive. ''I just wish I knew what really happened,'' she said. Rushing Donations Circulatory death donation used to be largely forbidden. That began to change in the 1990s, when a dying patient asked the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center to remove her life support and donate her organs. The hospital honored her wishes, then spent two years creating guidelines for future cases. Use of the practice gradually spread. Procurement organizations attributed the procedure's recent growth to technological advances. Dozens of employees at the organizations said it was largely because of government pressure. Citing the number of Americans waiting for organs, H.H.S. said in 2020 that it would begin grading procurement organizations on how many transplants they arranged. The department has threatened to end its contracts with groups performing below average, starting next year. Many have raised their numbers by pursuing more circulatory death donors. Employees said some organizations had blown past safeguards, potentially rushing the process. For instance, coordinators are not supposed to approach a patient's relatives until the family has decided to withdraw life support, but workers said that rule was frequently violated. After relatives agree, it can take several days to prepare for organ retrieval. During this time, the hospital is supposed to keep treating the patient, including looking for signs of recovery. In reality, said 16 workers at hospitals in a dozen states, once patients are approved for donation, hospitals sometimes put them in the care of young residents or fellows who tend to defer to procurement organizations. Dr. Alejandro Rabinstein, chair of hospital neurology at the Mayo Clinic, said medical workers sometimes lacked the experience to tell whether a patient's movements were a sign of recovery or meaningless reflexes. ''Training can be a real issue, especially in smaller hospitals,'' he said. The federal investigation noted that Kentucky's procurement organization often failed to recognize that illegal drugs or hospital-administered sedatives could make patients seem less neurologically healthy than they were. Recent research also has called into question longstanding assumptions about human consciousness. A study published last year in The New England Journal of Medicine reported that 25 percent of patients who were thought to be unresponsive actually might have awareness, even if they couldn't communicate. Another study, although small, found that when doctors predicted in the first 72 hours that a patient would not recover from a traumatic brain injury, they were frequently wrong. Still, circulatory death donation has come to be widely accepted as crucial to reducing the national organ shortage. Dr. Joseph Scalea, a transplant surgeon at the Medical University of South Carolina, called it ''one of the most impactful innovations in accessing more organs for patients in need.'' More than 100,000 people are waiting for an organ in the United States, and many won't receive one. Recently, the system has set transplant records largely because of circulatory death donation, data shows. Organs from these patients were transplanted into 43,500 people from 2020 through last year. 'What a Disaster' Health care workers across the country recounted cases that haunted them. Bryany Duff, a surgical technician in Colorado, said one patient, a middle-aged woman, was crying and looking around. But doctors sedated her and removed her from a ventilator, according to Ms. Duff and a former colleague. The patient did not die in time to donate organs but did so hours later. ''I felt like if she had been given more time on the ventilator, she could have pulled through,'' Ms. Duff said. ''I felt like I was part of killing someone.'' Afterward, Ms. Duff quit her job and temporarily left the field. ''It really messed with me for a long time,'' she said. ''It still does.'' In Miami in 2023, a potential donor who had broken his neck began crying and biting on his breathing tube, which a procurement organization worker said he interpreted as him not wanting to die. But clinicians sedated the patient, withdrew life support, waited for death and removed the organs, according to the worker and a colleague he told at the time. In West Virginia, doctors were taken aback after Benjamin Parsons, a 27-year-old man paralyzed in a car accident, was brought to an operating room and asked to consent to donating his organs as he was coming off sedatives. Communicating through blinks, he indicated that he did not give permission. Still, coordinators initially wanted to move forward, according to text messages and interviews. Mr. Parsons' brother Andrew told The Times that the family had authorized the donation and believed his brother had blinked his agreement several times in the hours before the procedure, when sedation had been dialed down. He changed his mind in the operating room, said Andrew Parsons, who added that the procurement organization had been compassionate. In a text exchange that day, doctors involved in the case said that without a full neurological exam under no sedation, it was unclear whether Mr. Parsons was lucid enough to consent. ''What a disaster and handled COMPLETELY inappropriately,'' one doctor wrote. Mr. Parsons chose to go off life support two days later and died without donating. A transplant system oversight committee has been investigating the case. The procurement organizations for Miami and that part of West Virginia declined to discuss the cases, citing privacy laws. The Colorado group did not respond to requests for comment. The Times spoke with workers who described similar cases in North Dakota, Pennsylvania, Texas and Washington. For years, the transplant system, the Organ Procurement and Transplantation Network, has largely governed itself. Its oversight committee reviews complaints but has rarely acted against the hospitals and 55 procurement organizations that make up its membership, The Times has reported. The federal government increased oversight after an explosive House committee hearing last September. The hearing was about the general performance of the transplant system, but was upended by testimony about the Kentucky man, who awoke just as he was about to be removed from life support in 2021. The man, Anthony Thomas Hoover, is still alive. He has neurological injuries and cannot recount what he experienced. An investigation by the transplant system found ''no major issues.'' But an H.H.S. agency conducted its own inquiry and identified widespread problems, The Times has reported. The department directed the Kentucky procurement organization to perform regular neurological tests on potential donors and ordered transplant officials to develop a way for clinicians to pause donations when they believe patients are improving. The department is examining other cases, records show. But it has not disclosed any of its investigations or findings. The House committee has scheduled another hearing for Tuesday. Mr. Hoover's story shocked many people, but it sounded familiar to Danella Gallegos. In 2022, when she was 38 and homeless, Ms. Gallegos was hospitalized and went into a coma. Doctors at Presbyterian Hospital in Albuquerque told her family she would never recover. Her relatives agreed to donation, but as preparations began, they saw tears in her eyes. Their concerns were dismissed, according to interviews with the family and eight hospital workers. Donation coordinators said the tears were a reflex. (Tears can be an involuntary response to irritants.) On the day of the planned donation, Ms. Gallegos was taken to a pre-surgery room, where her two sisters held her hands. A doctor arrived to withdraw life support. Then a sister announced she had seen Ms. Gallegos move. The doctor asked her to blink her eyes, and she complied. The room erupted in gasps. Still, hospital workers said, the procurement organization wanted to move forward. A coordinator said it was just reflexes and suggested morphine to reduce movements. The hospital refused. Instead, workers brought her back to her room, and she made a full recovery. Two years later, after hearing about Mr. Hoover, Ms. Gallegos filed a complaint with H.H.S., which opened an investigation. Presbyterian made the treatment decisions, but hospital workers said they faced pressure from the procurement organization, New Mexico Donor Services. ''All they care about is getting organs,'' said Neva Williams, a veteran intensive care nurse at the hospital. ''They're so aggressive. It's sickening.'' In a statement, Donor Services said that it does not interfere with medical decision-making and that hospitals are in charge of patient care. Presbyterian noted that Donor Services was responsible for managing all aspects of the donation process but said it was reviewing Ms. Gallegos's case. Ms. Gallegos said in a recent interview she did not remember much about what had happened in the hospital. She recalled feeling fear but not pain. ''I feel so fortunate, obviously,'' she said, ''but it's also crazy to think how close things came to ending differently.''
很多时候器官移植负责人会 aggressively pursuing circulatory death donors and pushing families and doctors toward surgery
Workers in several states said they had seen coordinators persuading hospital clinicians to administer morphine, propofol and other drugs to hasten the death of potential donors.
“In Miami in 2023, a potential donor who had broken his neck began crying and biting on his breathing tube, which a procurement organization worker said he interpreted as him not wanting to die. But clinicians sedated the patient, withdrew life support, waited for death and removed the organs, according to the worker and a colleague he told at the time.
In West Virginia, doctors were taken aback after Benjamin Parsons, a 27-year-old man paralyzed in a car accident, was brought to an operating room and asked to consent to donating his organs as he was coming off sedatives. Communicating through blinks, he indicated that he did not give permission. Still, coordinators initially went to move forward, according to text messages and interviews.
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那人是不是业内人士很难说，因为只要花狸狐讲孩子遭遇他必定出现，和当年达能pr描述的网军工作方式完全一样。 一个和花狸狐非亲非故的业内人士没有这么无聊或者锲而不舍。
exactly。全世界都是同一个系统。那些看见美国活摘贴跑进来暗搓搓想spin把美国以外的活摘洗白的，其实就是在转移话题+搅浑水，都有点带任务的痕迹。
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15年的老ID了，更像是系统内慕强所以良知麻木的业内人士。
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为啥要去掉？摘了长新的不好么？新陈代谢啊。。。
你发关于宝dao的新闻也会被转走
都能长的话，摘我的干嘛
自己的器官自己长~
也对啊，这个逻辑倒是自洽。。。
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“要知道自己是否在驾照上选择了器官捐献，可以通过以下几种方式确认：
1. **查看驾照**：许多州在驾照上都会标记出是否选择了器官捐献。通常会有一个标志，比如一个心形或器官捐献者的字样，表明你已同意成为器官捐献者。
2. **联系当地的机动车辆管理局（DMV）**：你可以联系所在州的DMV或类似机构，询问自己是否在驾照上选择了器官捐献。他们可以根据你的记录告诉你具体信息。
3. **在线账户或App**：某些州提供在线服务，允许你查看和更新驾照信息。如果你有一个DMV在线账户，登录后可以查看是否注册为器官捐献者。
4. **器官捐献注册系统**：你可能在一个国家或州的器官捐献注册系统中注册，访问相关网站（如美国的Donate Life Registry），你可以通过输入个人信息来确认自己是否是注册的捐献者。
如果你想更改器官捐献状态，也可以通过以上这些方式来进行更新。”
但是如果你喝醉了 警察把你送医院不管就走 医院是可以 邪恶手段依旧活摘你的 这个新泽西有例子 那个女的醒来看到paperwork 吓得跑了
我家闺女 自杀被就，医院一个小时候就把器官卖给人 一个半小时后就活摘开始 医务人员是普遍知道的。
美国医院杀人是极其普遍的现象。
这是哈佛大学创造的
为斯坦福毕业的医生活摘黑人后 找的借口
美国名校杀人走在全世界最前列
哈佛 斯坦福 东西第一 杀人第一
圣地亚哥，边境没有身份的 你想想有多可怕
我知道的 车祸donor 会被摘 街上醉酒也会 还有自杀被送医院的。
对没有身份的 确认脑死亡的 很多很多人都有很细致的时间诊断 活摘 和处理遗体。
整个都是极其可怕的。
比如明明知道亲人在医院 你就是找不到 几天后人家说遗体按照法律捐了处理了
那么你知道活摘了吗？
美国成吨地卖病人身体部件 我就好奇多少是被偷偷活摘的？！
美帝危险至极 很多人没有意识而已。。。。
但是医生护士卖了器官估计私下拿几万到几十万。 直接进自己腰包 不走医院 我是这么猜测的。 估计就是比特币，现金，等等等。
我家闺女是护士直接打电话找了下家。 就是该护理病人的护士，直接打电话卖了病人器官。 是个白人女的。似乎last name 是love 啥的，太恶心了。
有些好心医生是不干的 好心的医生护士也有不少。 不参与。
但有些胆子大的什么都干的。 那个医生也是白人 俩都很年轻。
华人地位不行 所以嘛 估计被摘的很多。
我是通过自己啊经历总结的。 没有普遍性
我觉得移民美国的医生胆子小 岁数大，不敢。 但是美国自己本土培养的医生 胆子大 最不是东西
我可以非常肯定地说 美国医疗的培养制度 就是培养各种杀人犯。
医生没啥利益，利益是这些器官采集组织
器官采摘可能挣两百万 医生采摘私下没有十万上下是不可能的。
这个跟器官质量关系太大了 普通平均比如一个脏器三十万 好的妥妥可以卖到三百万
怎么可能这些组织独吞。
美国医生凭啥有这个动力主动活摘？！
有人给胚胎赋予人权，堕胎被禁止，那么成年人更配有。一个人连安乐死都很难通过，为什么被收割器官就这么容易。
‘医院一个小时候就把器官卖给人’
这你是如何知道的？
"the entire system must be fixed"
支持。
医疗记录有记录
六点十五到医院 七点十五护士就卖了 大概七点四十查了没有毒品 几分钟之内原来的医生护士全换了 大概不到两分钟，这些医护应该都知道下一步。
七点四十五准备开始活摘 我们八点出头到医院 活摘终止了 孩子活下来了
随后内科 精神科负责想办法把病人搞崩溃 弄得出不了院继续活摘
我们联系了报社 当时不知道只是告诉报社感觉医院要弄死孩子 有报道的
后来拿到病历 才发现原来是活摘器官。
只是吃了安眠药，ED医生根本就没有当回事 尼玛 真的是故意杀人活摘。
美帝医院 尼玛就是屠宰场
‘但说这边医疗系统是草菅人命，你当然可以选择有病自己扛或回国治就好。’
这个立场不对，所以在美国的人只有接受现状的选项吗？要么接受，要么滚蛋？现在有人揭露了问题的存在，审视已经开始了。
麻翻了 想几点干就几点干。 真当普通人是傻逼了？！ 随便骗。
哪里那么容易。
美国心脏移植第一例就是活摘。 黑人同事满医院找自己的心上人不得 尼玛隔壁就在活摘！
美国改进了吗 弄出来个脑死亡 给罪犯继续犯罪 保驾护航
当然了，美国医疗制度有很多问题这个事大家都知道，有志之士勇敢揭露缺陷真相，然后改革修正，这些大家当然都支持，毕竟我和我的家人也属于被看护的病人群体。但这个帖子报道不实，我只想做为内部人澄清一点我所了解的事实。
所以你说得对，除了接受和滚蛋两个选项，大家还可以对不公平的事情奋起反抗，以改变现状这个选择。
尼玛就是屠宰场
作为内部人士 给讲讲没有陪护 没有id 的未知身份年轻人，如果没有意识。 按照法律规定
医生最坏可以怎么干 最好可以怎么干。
具体说说啊。否则如何让人认为你是内部人士？！ 还有死了人遗体处理程序？！
孩子能活下来就好。现在最怕自己辛辛苦苦养大的孩子不够成熟，再被这种机构钻了空子，连看到明天的太阳的机会都没了。
你又看不懂医疗记录，上次把血压当成心率一通分析还不够丢人？
口误而已。
等我有精力了，还是发记录 让大家看看美国医院如何谋杀婴儿的
护士打电话卖器官，还能写在医疗记录里，还能让你看到，精神问题挺严重的。 你到底把你闺女怎么样了，她跳海以前还要吃安眠药，就怕死不成。
当然了 没有电话记录的话，我能知道这些？！
谁知道护士发了神马神经 把这个给写进去了
所以我一直在问没有身份醒不来的人 医院最坏能做到什么程度
我觉得按照美国法律 最后活摘了 病历只要编得合适 这些行为都是合法的。
希望Singmom 多发言说一些具体例子。
美国器官移植数量是中国几十倍 内部人士难道遇到细节就不说话了？
让别人如何认可你的内部人士身份？！
我一直就说你幻视幻听很严重了。
大家都把你当个屁。 我倒是很想看看singmom 的内容 讲些医院里的规章制度医生如何治病救人
关键地方我会贴病历打脸的。
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看病也是chatgpt? 真是不怕丢人
这个真的很扯
但富人，把支票砸在桌子上，器官分分钟的事。随便就从活人身上摘了
脑死亡还是有严格标准的，没有中枢反馈了没有脑电波了。
然后说你败血症死了
然后无主遗体捐献
还查个屁啊
别让脑死亡限制了想象力。
美国医院就是这么对付我家的。
内行的说说违背哪条法律了？
只要你不能在有限的时间找到人 铁定死得碎碎的
你这话有什么可信度，全是你的妄想，一点事实依据都没有。都知道你跟医院有仇，不过你这个说话的样子也太丑陋了。
从国内出了李兰娟老公的事情后，这边就再也不勾选organ donor了
你说说程序上 法律上有任何问题吗？
别总是攻击人 关心的人多了我可以贴证据
乔布斯不是等了很久吗？
去掉可以避免自己不签字的情况下器官被捐赠么？
电视剧 never let me go
乔布斯要的是什么器官?
,怎么可能避免
很多漏洞在那里 没有任何人可以绝对避免
但是看评论里有说给病人用药，加速达到标准的
我觉得关心脑死亡是错误的。 脑死亡怎么也得需要24小时到几天。 可怕的是败血症。
拉进医院，身份证件一扔 没有这个人无从查起 然后活摘，说你败血症死的，零零碎碎卖了。
其实华人失踪找不到尸体的 比如加拿大那个孩子 弄不好就被活摘了
我家娃是发现得快， 六点十五到医院 大概七点四十五开始活摘 警察八点应该不到就通知医院 父母要过去了。
千万不要相信黄金二十四小时 要活命都是分秒必争的。
就算我们去了 医院也不轻易松口 那是一定要把人弄死的
整整二十天左右人才到家安全。 太可怕了。
我老婆吓得大清早浑身发抖 我睡不着抱着整加仑的牛奶凌晨灌 她妹妹整天给姐姐打电话 天天坚持找了三个律师才出来。
美国医院太可怕了 就是屠宰场。
能写在医疗记录里，就说明买卖器官已经是一条龙服务了。医院肯定是拿大头。 如果你们8点不去的话，9点可能就摘完器官了。 然后医疗记录就改为7:30已经脑死亡。最后伪造签名，说患者生前自愿捐赠器官。记录存档，方便收费，当然摘器官的手术费会非常高昂，一切合法合理。 家属方面，只给一纸死亡证明：xxx于某年某月因抢救无效不幸死亡。
看看这个医生的证词
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这个“UNOS”其实就是一个皮条客。医护人员的任务就是把病人“搞死”，再活摘，并让移植流程合法化。
绝对相信！
发现黑中圈子喜欢捏造的事情， 都是些它们自己特别擅长的事情， 人果然是活在自己认知里面的生物， 连污蔑都这么没有想象力
比如，新疆强制摘棉花， 对应黑奴摘棉花 比如， 活摘器官， 对应纽约时报报道的器官移植黑幕
看到个说法，说西方白人对中国的指控，要不是他们曾经做过的，要不是正在做的，或者是计划将来做的，主打一个以己度人
来美国这么多年， 清晰的认知到：
医院， 不是救死扶伤的地方， 是business for medical service. 医生是medical service provider
警察， 不是为人民服务的， 而是law enforcement, 它们的职责不是帮你处理麻烦， 而是保全自我的前提下enforce law 。
来美国的小伙伴， 早一天认识到以上， 就会在相关场合多一份清醒，少一丝幻想， 不干傻事或做出一些愚蠢的选择。
以上看懂的人自然懂， 不认同的，都算您对
西雅图儿童医院谋杀我家儿子的时候说大家都是通过unos 分配器官。
但是圣地亚哥Scripps 活摘我家女儿的时候是直接卖给一个公司，根本看不出unos 啥关系
美国的各种规定其实就算专业人士告诉你也有很多限制范围。你泛泛接受了信以为真就是受骗了。
绝对不能信医院的各种扯淡。
医疗记录还是很难改的。
我觉得几乎不可能，但是可以欺骗外行。
比如西雅图儿童医院谋杀我家儿子的时候。我们要病理报告， 但是该医院给的是一个临时报告而且不是病理那天做的。 就是我家娃肯定还有一份真正的病理，医院为了杀人藏起来了。 时间不对。
美国医院黑心黑肺远远超出你的想象。
老话说：路上劫道儿的，工业上卖药儿的。就是药厂跟劫道的土匪一样黑。
普渡医药为了赚钱，一家企业就差不多搞死了几十万美国人。。
而这种企业应该不是个例。。。
Purdue Pharma developed aggressive marketing tactics persuading doctors to prescribe OxyContin in particular. Doctors were enticed with free trips to pain-management seminars (which were effectively all-expenses-paid vacations) and paid speaking engagements. Sales of their drugs soared, as did the number of people dying from overdoses.[3] From 1999 to 2020, nearly 841,000 people died from drug overdoses in the United States, with prescription and illicit opioids responsible for 500,000 of those deaths
谢谢科普。真不知道是这些制药公司故意隐瞒导致阿片类药物滥用。
啊？你家闺女被摘除了什么器官？她现在还好吗？
其实相信前者的大多数也都相信后者， 而每次在器官贴里面力挺医疗机构政府部门的，也在疫苗贴里面义正辞严着呢。
医院肯定是什么值钱摘什么，反正都动手了。
你家老大的抑郁症挺严重啊，要在精神病院住20多天才能出院。
你能详细说说嘛？你们怎么发现的？
People across the United States have endured rushed or premature attempts to remove their organs. Some were gasping, crying or showing other signs of life. Last spring at a small Alabama hospital, a team of transplant surgeons prepared to cut into Misty Hawkins. The clock was ticking. Her organs wouldn't be usable for much longer. Days earlier, she had been a vibrant 42-year-old with a playful sense of humor and a love for the Thunder Beach Motorcycle Rally. But after Ms. Hawkins choked while eating and fell into a coma, her mother decided to take her off life support and donate her organs. She was removed from a ventilator and, after 103 minutes, declared dead. A surgeon made an incision in her chest and sawed through her breastbone. That's when the doctors discovered her heart was beating. She appeared to be breathing. They were slicing into Ms. Hawkins while she was alive. Across the United States, an intricate system of hospitals, doctors and nonprofit donation coordinators carries out tens of thousands of lifesaving transplants each year. At every step, it relies on carefully calibrated protocols to protect both donors and recipients. But in recent years, as the system has pushed to increase transplants, a growing number of patients have endured premature or bungled attempts to retrieve their organs. Though Ms. Hawkins's case is an extreme example of what can go wrong, a New York Times examination revealed a pattern of rushed decision-making that has prioritized the need for more organs over the safety of potential donors. In New Mexico, a woman was subjected to days of preparation for donation, even after her family said that she seemed to be regaining consciousness, which she eventually did. In Florida, a man cried and bit on his breathing tube but was still withdrawn from life support. In West Virginia, doctors were appalled when coordinators asked a paralyzed man coming off sedatives in an operating room for consent to remove his organs. Stories like these have emerged as the transplant system has increasingly turned to a type of organ removal called donation after circulatory death. It accounted for a third of all donations last year: about 20,000 organs, triple the number from five years earlier. Most donated organs in the United States come from people who are brain-dead -- an irreversible state -- and are kept on machines only to maintain their organs. Circulatory death donation is different. These patients are on life support, often in a coma. Their prognoses are more of a medical judgment call. They are alive, with some brain activity, but doctors have determined that they are near death and won't recover. If relatives agree to donation, doctors withdraw life support and wait for the patient's heart to stop. This has to happen within an hour or two for the organs to be considered viable. After the person is declared dead, surgeons go in. The Times found that some organ procurement organizations -- the nonprofits in each state that have federal contracts to coordinate transplants -- are aggressively pursuing circulatory death donors and pushing families and doctors toward surgery. Hospitals are responsible for patients up to the moment of death, but some are allowing procurement organizations to influence treatment decisions. Fifty-five medical workers in 19 states told The Times they had witnessed at least one disturbing case of donation after circulatory death. Workers in several states said they had seen coordinators persuading hospital clinicians to administer morphine, propofol and other drugs to hasten the death of potential donors. ''I think these types of problems are happening much more than we know,'' said Dr. Wade Smith, a longtime neurologist at the University of California, San Francisco, who frequently evaluates potential donors and has studied donation after circulatory death. A recent federal investigation -- prompted by the case of a Kentucky man whose organs were pursued even as he shook his head and drew his knees to his chest -- found that the state's procurement organization had ignored signs of increasing consciousness in 73 potential donors. In interviews with health care workers, as well as a review of internal records, audio recordings and text messages, The Times confirmed 12 additional cases in nine states that troubled medical workers or were being investigated. Most of these patients ultimately died, so it is impossible to know what they experienced. Doctors expressed worry that some patients might have recovered if given more time on life support. Other patients may have felt pain or emotional distress in the last hours of their lives. The questions have taken on greater urgency as this type of donation has grown rapidly in the last five years, driven in part by federal pressure on procurement organizations to increase transplants. At the same time, the government has largely allowed the transplant system to police itself. In interviews, leaders of the system said that donation after circulatory death was safe and critical to saving thousands of lives every year. The Association of Organ Procurement Organizations, a trade group, said in a statement that potential donors receive the same quality of care as any other patient until a doctor declares them dead. The group attributed any errors to hospitals. The association said it was misguided to focus on a small number of cases with bad outcomes. ''These stories paint a frightening, inaccurate and unbalanced view of our system,'' it said. Several groups representing hospitals didn't respond to requests for comment. The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, whose agencies oversee hospitals and procurement organizations, said in a statement that it was improving patient protections. Dr. Robert Cannon, a transplant surgeon at the University of Alabama at Birmingham, said he believed the system was hesitant to confront safety lapses during circulatory death donations, out of fear that people would stop donating. ''I don't know the scope of the problem. I don't know that anybody does,'' he said. ''That's the scary thing.'' A Beating Heart Ms. Hawkins, who had a lifelong cognitive disability, lived with her mother and stepfather in Midland City, Ala. She loved movies and dancing around the living room to Alan Jackson songs. She insisted on celebrating her birthday for the entire month of August. She was eating lunch at home on May 21, 2024, when she choked on a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. Her stepfather called 911, and doctors at Flowers Hospital in nearby Dothan removed the obstruction, but her brain suffered oxygen deprivation that left her comatose on a ventilator, records show. Her mother, Faye Johnson, raced to the hospital from her job at a car dealership. Doctors said Ms. Hawkins would never again breathe on her own and gave her mother 72 hours to decide whether to move her to a nursing home or withdraw life support. Ms. Johnson did not want her daughter to suffer. She asked about organ donation, she said, because she wanted some good to come of the tragedy. Alabama's procurement organization, Legacy of Hope, coordinated the donation. It ran tests, chose recipients and arranged for an outside company, TransMedics, to send surgeons to remove the organs. Ms. Hawkins was wheeled to an operating room. Her family said a final goodbye. Flowers Hospital is a Level III trauma center, meaning it lacks some of the capabilities of larger institutions. It rarely handles circulatory death donation, data shows. Ms. Hawkins was one of just three attempts last year. In the operating room, a hospital doctor took Ms. Hawkins off the ventilator and gave her drugs for comfort. The doctor declared her dead 103 minutes later, near the outer limit of organ viability. The surgeons entered the room. They began operating after a five-minute waiting period. All circulatory death donations require a waiting period to ensure the heart does not restart. Almost immediately, they saw Ms. Hawkins's heart moving. Records reviewed by The Times characterized the movement differently: Legacy of Hope called it ''reanimation,'' as did Flowers, which also said the heart ''fluttered.'' An H.H.S. review of the case said the heart was beating strongly enough to pump blood through the body. Records from the procurement organization also noted ''subsequent gasping respirations,'' a type of breathing. The surgeons stopped and left the room. Another doctor sewed up Ms. Hawkins. It is unclear if she was given any anesthetic. Twelve minutes later, she was again declared dead. Ms. Johnson was on her way home when she received a call from Legacy of Hope. A coordinator said her daughter's organs had not been used, but did not tell her what had happened. Nor did Flowers. Ms. Johnson learned the details from The Times more than a year later. Five doctors with expertise in critical care who independently reviewed Ms. Hawkins's records at The Times's request said it was all but impossible that her heart restarted after the waiting period. Research has found that when people are taken off life support, their hearts do not restart on their own after five minutes. The doctors said they were particularly struck by indications that Ms. Hawkins was breathing, which meant she had at least minimal brain activity. They each said the declaration of death was very likely premature. ''I highly doubt that proper procedures were followed, because if they're followed correctly, this could not happen,'' said Dr. Robert Truog, a Harvard University bioethicist who serves on a transplant system working group on circulatory death donation. In a statement, Flowers Hospital said it had correctly followed its protocols. ''Misty Hawkins was declared deceased by a very experienced and highly reputable member of our medical staff, and that happened only after five minutes with no cardiopulmonary function or vital signs,'' it said. The hospital declined to comment on the improbability of a heart restarting after five minutes or on the procurement organization's records saying Ms. Hawkins was breathing. TransMedics said in a statement that its surgeons ''immediately stopped the procedure once they saw that the donor's heart was beating'' and notified Legacy of Hope. The procurement organization declined to comment on the case. A contractor working for H.H.S. investigated and found ''no deficiencies'' at the hospital or procurement organization, according to letters reviewed by The Times. H.H.S. declined to provide further details. Ms. Johnson said she was still struggling to understand the loss of her daughter and desperately hoped she had not suffered during surgery. More than a year later, she still speaks to her every day. Her daughter's bedroom remains as it was when she was alive. ''I just wish I knew what really happened,'' she said. Rushing Donations Circulatory death donation used to be largely forbidden. That began to change in the 1990s, when a dying patient asked the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center to remove her life support and donate her organs. The hospital honored her wishes, then spent two years creating guidelines for future cases. Use of the practice gradually spread. Procurement organizations attributed the procedure's recent growth to technological advances. Dozens of employees at the organizations said it was largely because of government pressure. Citing the number of Americans waiting for organs, H.H.S. said in 2020 that it would begin grading procurement organizations on how many transplants they arranged. The department has threatened to end its contracts with groups performing below average, starting next year. Many have raised their numbers by pursuing more circulatory death donors. Employees said some organizations had blown past safeguards, potentially rushing the process. For instance, coordinators are not supposed to approach a patient's relatives until the family has decided to withdraw life support, but workers said that rule was frequently violated. After relatives agree, it can take several days to prepare for organ retrieval. During this time, the hospital is supposed to keep treating the patient, including looking for signs of recovery. In reality, said 16 workers at hospitals in a dozen states, once patients are approved for donation, hospitals sometimes put them in the care of young residents or fellows who tend to defer to procurement organizations. Dr. Alejandro Rabinstein, chair of hospital neurology at the Mayo Clinic, said medical workers sometimes lacked the experience to tell whether a patient's movements were a sign of recovery or meaningless reflexes. ''Training can be a real issue, especially in smaller hospitals,'' he said. The federal investigation noted that Kentucky's procurement organization often failed to recognize that illegal drugs or hospital-administered sedatives could make patients seem less neurologically healthy than they were. Recent research also has called into question longstanding assumptions about human consciousness. A study published last year in The New England Journal of Medicine reported that 25 percent of patients who were thought to be unresponsive actually might have awareness, even if they couldn't communicate. Another study, although small, found that when doctors predicted in the first 72 hours that a patient would not recover from a traumatic brain injury, they were frequently wrong. Still, circulatory death donation has come to be widely accepted as crucial to reducing the national organ shortage. Dr. Joseph Scalea, a transplant surgeon at the Medical University of South Carolina, called it ''one of the most impactful innovations in accessing more organs for patients in need.'' More than 100,000 people are waiting for an organ in the United States, and many won't receive one. Recently, the system has set transplant records largely because of circulatory death donation, data shows. Organs from these patients were transplanted into 43,500 people from 2020 through last year. 'What a Disaster' Health care workers across the country recounted cases that haunted them. Bryany Duff, a surgical technician in Colorado, said one patient, a middle-aged woman, was crying and looking around. But doctors sedated her and removed her from a ventilator, according to Ms. Duff and a former colleague. The patient did not die in time to donate organs but did so hours later. ''I felt like if she had been given more time on the ventilator, she could have pulled through,'' Ms. Duff said. ''I felt like I was part of killing someone.'' Afterward, Ms. Duff quit her job and temporarily left the field. ''It really messed with me for a long time,'' she said. ''It still does.'' In Miami in 2023, a potential donor who had broken his neck began crying and biting on his breathing tube, which a procurement organization worker said he interpreted as him not wanting to die. But clinicians sedated the patient, withdrew life support, waited for death and removed the organs, according to the worker and a colleague he told at the time. In West Virginia, doctors were taken aback after Benjamin Parsons, a 27-year-old man paralyzed in a car accident, was brought to an operating room and asked to consent to donating his organs as he was coming off sedatives. Communicating through blinks, he indicated that he did not give permission. Still, coordinators initially wanted to move forward, according to text messages and interviews. Mr. Parsons' brother Andrew told The Times that the family had authorized the donation and believed his brother had blinked his agreement several times in the hours before the procedure, when sedation had been dialed down. He changed his mind in the operating room, said Andrew Parsons, who added that the procurement organization had been compassionate. In a text exchange that day, doctors involved in the case said that without a full neurological exam under no sedation, it was unclear whether Mr. Parsons was lucid enough to consent. ''What a disaster and handled COMPLETELY inappropriately,'' one doctor wrote. Mr. Parsons chose to go off life support two days later and died without donating. A transplant system oversight committee has been investigating the case. The procurement organizations for Miami and that part of West Virginia declined to discuss the cases, citing privacy laws. The Colorado group did not respond to requests for comment. The Times spoke with workers who described similar cases in North Dakota, Pennsylvania, Texas and Washington. For years, the transplant system, the Organ Procurement and Transplantation Network, has largely governed itself. Its oversight committee reviews complaints but has rarely acted against the hospitals and 55 procurement organizations that make up its membership, The Times has reported. The federal government increased oversight after an explosive House committee hearing last September. The hearing was about the general performance of the transplant system, but was upended by testimony about the Kentucky man, who awoke just as he was about to be removed from life support in 2021. The man, Anthony Thomas Hoover, is still alive. He has neurological injuries and cannot recount what he experienced. An investigation by the transplant system found ''no major issues.'' But an H.H.S. agency conducted its own inquiry and identified widespread problems, The Times has reported. The department directed the Kentucky procurement organization to perform regular neurological tests on potential donors and ordered transplant officials to develop a way for clinicians to pause donations when they believe patients are improving. The department is examining other cases, records show. But it has not disclosed any of its investigations or findings. The House committee has scheduled another hearing for Tuesday. Mr. Hoover's story shocked many people, but it sounded familiar to Danella Gallegos. In 2022, when she was 38 and homeless, Ms. Gallegos was hospitalized and went into a coma. Doctors at Presbyterian Hospital in Albuquerque told her family she would never recover. Her relatives agreed to donation, but as preparations began, they saw tears in her eyes. Their concerns were dismissed, according to interviews with the family and eight hospital workers. Donation coordinators said the tears were a reflex. (Tears can be an involuntary response to irritants.) On the day of the planned donation, Ms. Gallegos was taken to a pre-surgery room, where her two sisters held her hands. A doctor arrived to withdraw life support. Then a sister announced she had seen Ms. Gallegos move. The doctor asked her to blink her eyes, and she complied. The room erupted in gasps. Still, hospital workers said, the procurement organization wanted to move forward. A coordinator said it was just reflexes and suggested morphine to reduce movements. The hospital refused. Instead, workers brought her back to her room, and she made a full recovery. Two years later, after hearing about Mr. Hoover, Ms. Gallegos filed a complaint with H.H.S., which opened an investigation. Presbyterian made the treatment decisions, but hospital workers said they faced pressure from the procurement organization, New Mexico Donor Services. ''All they care about is getting organs,'' said Neva Williams, a veteran intensive care nurse at the hospital. ''They're so aggressive. It's sickening.'' In a statement, Donor Services said that it does not interfere with medical decision-making and that hospitals are in charge of patient care. Presbyterian noted that Donor Services was responsible for managing all aspects of the donation process but said it was reviewing Ms. Gallegos's case. Ms. Gallegos said in a recent interview she did not remember much about what had happened in the hospital. She recalled feeling fear but not pain. ''I feel so fortunate, obviously,'' she said, ''but it's also crazy to think how close things came to ending differently.''
停了。没有完成。但是有刀伤，ED 的时候没有。 出了ED 有的。医生不给药，也不让洗澡，拖着不让出来希望留下想办法弄死。
不过监视的黑女帮忙看医护没有来，我老婆帮忙洗澡上药。
在美国进医院是没有任何人权的，什么事情这些杀人犯都敢做。
我家老大情况极其特殊。从我们察觉她出事，早上七点到出事地点遇到警察不到八点，这时候警察通知医院。而警察局知道我们找女儿是在早上七点十分左右。那时候女儿还在emergency department
说明警察一无所知按程序处理。。等警察见到我才通知医院人要过去。
至于万一活摘完成是否会删除出警记录，那是另一码事情。我觉得会的。但是普通警察是一点点都不清楚的。
警察告诉我的是情况很好，有意识，说不定已经被转到mental health 的医院了。
因为ED 就不当回事，这个自杀的救活了呗。
关键是在ED 护士已经卖器官了。
药检，也就是毒品都检测干净后。一下子行动迅速了。ED 负责的华人医生写了条救活了，我想这是她最后能帮的，好几个医护马上走了。
来了新的一批，这些人一下子把我闺女的sepsis 危险调到十几吧，可能最危险也可能接近 问题是没有任何指标支持
后来应该警察打电话了
我们去的时候又莫名其妙把sepsis 调低了。
中间总共大概二十分钟。
美国根本没有黄金二十四小时，那是给脑死亡的。用sepsis 偷器官，让你找不到人才是普遍现象。
那就好。万幸！
HIPAA 就是为了让家属没法找病人或者让家长没法参与孩子治疗的， 韭菜哪有什么隐私，更没有任何“权”， 但凡打着给韭菜隐私权设置的障碍，都是给割韭菜设置的隔离墙。
这些义正严辞的人很大比例还是医务工作者 ， 也不知道是蠢还是坏。那个小浣熊就是个例子
这还怀疑？肯定是坏呗。 体制内的啥不清楚？
一个善良的人肯定先问问受害者咋回事。不会轻易否定别人现身说法的。
Can you include the original article link too . Thanks
在美国不明原因死亡，或者没有人证的死亡都是要做尸检的。以证明不是非正常死亡换言之谋杀。这是正常程序，你理解不了是你的事。还有啊如果你注册成器官捐献者，如果器官有利用价值就是回被摘器官，都是有程序和检测手段达到脑死亡之后进行。如果你不认同就不要注册为器官捐献者，这个很难吗？
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/20/us/organ-transplants-donors-alive.html
这些人就是系统的牵线木偶白手套，其实也很可悲可怜只是不自知罢了。 实际上这系统的大喇叭NYT来这么篇檄文，给我的感觉是以后大批韭菜会用上3D打印的器官或者什么猪啊啥的反正什么动物羞辱性强就用什么的器官，美其名曰严肃管理活摘人器官。移植这个生意会利润更大更兴隆。
美国规定的多了 任何一个国家都不许医疗犯罪 包括杀人
看看美国医院杀人少吗 每年二十几万被故意弄死。 这是有记录的。
至于尸检，还不是专业胡说的很多。
你可以把美国条文出处贴出来看看 任何东西都是可以推敲的。
全世界的医疗都是被同样控制的； 赌的就是绝大部分韭菜会忍气吞声，像你这样不屈不挠的少而又少；你要是在国内过你这一生，大概率会成为医闹而得到医闹通常的结局，能多年持续上网不停宣传经历的可能性会小到几乎没有。 感觉你始终以一种个人经历即唯一世界的态度在看问题，比较偏颇。
比如我家闺女自杀未遂后，她的后续治疗如何决定？！就是个问题。闺女很快给我们签字让我们代她做任何决定。
结果医院是不同意的。因为医护说你闺女精神状态不稳定，这个签字不算数。
其实就是打官司。我们也打啊。犹太人组织就偷偷总是联系我闺女，说她们有经验能更好代表她，让我闺女授权。好在闺女没有上当，王立民闺女就是这么被美帝卖了。
就算闺女说得清清楚楚。法官还是决定让她多呆几天周末出来。
我们怕夜长梦多，最后找到一个内行律师，叫我们做三份一样文件，分别给 闺女自己的档案，要求护士放进去。 一份给护士台 一份给主治医生。
下午五点送过去，第二天早上通知我们去接。而且医生说，“我没有看到你们送过来什么文件，不过知道有一份。”提前两三天出来。
出来的时候，闺女说那个医生尾随她，在大楼某个角落偷偷看。。
估计是怕家属去杀人吧。美帝医生很清楚自己干得丧尽天良的事情。
你真的想要真相吗？你只不过是要一遍一遍的给自己洗脑都是医生医院的错，你家孩子出事你没有错而已。人嘛可以活在自己的幻觉里，很舒服是不是？可惜于事无补会一错再错而已。