您这一看就是没有自己存过mega back door 正常人就是先存23k pre tax 401k. 然后公司match 7k-20k.这些都是要交税的。然后自己再存70k-30k =40k max after tax Ira . 打工人这辈子都不可能有500万的Roth Ira的。
大衣被禁 发表于 2025-07-22 16:34
对于打工人这辈子都不可能有500万的Roth IRA,我让chatgpt 算了一下。如果有一个现在到退休年龄的人,按历史真实收益数据: 第一种情况: If you are 67 years old in 2024 and since 1984 you: Contributed the maximum Roth 401(k) amount (including catch-up from age 50 in 2007), Utilized the Mega Backdoor Roth strategy to contribute additional after-tax amounts up to the IRS 401(k) limits, Invested all contributions into S&P500 Total Return Index with dividends reinvested, Then by the end of 2024, your Roth IRA balance would be: Total contributions: $1,720,000 Final portfolio value:$23,936,902第二种情况:如果不想从27岁干到67岁,提前10年,57岁退休的话。 By the end of 2014, under the same strategy of maximizing Roth 401(k) and Mega Backdoor Roth contributions from 1984 and investing in S&P500 Total Return Index with dividends reinvested: Total contributions made by 2014: $1,138,000 Roth account balance (2014):$6,612,810最少干几年能存到500万?2013年。 You reached a Roth account balance of $5,000,000 in the year 2013, with a total value of approximately $5,764,527 at the end of that year. 第三种情况:如果从37岁,1994年才开始,干到67岁: If you began contributing in 1994 (instead of 1984), maximizing your Roth 401(k) and Mega Backdoor Roth contributions each year, and invested everything in the S&P 500 with dividends reinvested, then by the end of 2024: Total contributions (1994–2024): $1,420,000 Final Roth balance (2024):$8,480,223第几年到500万?27年, 64岁 Starting in 1994, you reached a Roth account balance of $5,000,000 in the year 2021, with an end-of-year value of approximately $6,350,539.
gabegabe 发表于 2025-07-22 18:50 对于打工人这辈子都不可能有500万的Roth IRA,我让chatgpt 算了一下。如果有一个现在到退休年龄的人,按历史真实收益数据: 第一种情况: If you are 67 years old in 2024 and since 1984 you: Contributed the maximum Roth 401(k) amount (including catch-up from age 50 in 2007), Utilized the Mega Backdoor Roth strategy to contribute additional after-tax amounts up to the IRS 401(k) limits, Invested all contributions into S&P500 Total Return Index with dividends reinvested, Then by the end of 2024, your Roth IRA balance would be: Total contributions: $1,720,000 Final portfolio value:$23,936,902第二种情况:如果不想从27岁干到67岁,提前10年,57岁退休的话。 By the end of 2014, under the same strategy of maximizing Roth 401(k) and Mega Backdoor Roth contributions from 1984 and investing in S&P500 Total Return Index with dividends reinvested: Total contributions made by 2014: $1,138,000 Roth account balance (2014):$6,612,810最少干几年能存到500万?2013年。 You reached a Roth account balance of $5,000,000 in the year 2013, with a total value of approximately $5,764,527 at the end of that year. 第三种情况:如果从37岁,1994年才开始,干到67岁: If you began contributing in 1994 (instead of 1984), maximizing your Roth 401(k) and Mega Backdoor Roth contributions each year, and invested everything in the S&P 500 with dividends reinvested, then by the end of 2024: Total contributions (1994–2024): $1,420,000 Final Roth balance (2024):$8,480,223第几年到500万?27年, 64岁 Starting in 1994, you reached a Roth account balance of $5,000,000 in the year 2021, with an end-of-year value of approximately $6,350,539.
简直笑晕了。 是是是。您说的对。一个打工人84年开始存4万Roth Ira存了40年。您说的对! 人家Roth Ira 98年发明,您94年就存了500万。
简直笑晕了。 是是是。您说的对。一个打工人84年开始存4万Roth Ira存了40年。您说的对! 人家Roth Ira 98年发明,您94年就存了500万。
大衣被禁 发表于 2025-07-22 19:23
多谢指出问题。我让它改正: Starting in 1998 (the year Roth IRAs were introduced), if you: Contributed the maximum allowed to Roth 401(k) annually (with catch-up contributions starting at age 50 in 2007), Utilized the Mega Backdoor Roth strategy to reach the full IRS 401(k) limits, Invested everything in the S&P 500 with dividends reinvested, Then by the end of 2024: Total contributions (1998–2024): $1,300,000 Roth balance (2024):$6,239,273 存26年,从41岁存到67岁,有600万
gabegabe 发表于 2025-07-22 19:39 多谢指出问题。我让它改正: Starting in 1998 (the year Roth IRAs were introduced), if you: Contributed the maximum allowed to Roth 401(k) annually (with catch-up contributions starting at age 50 in 2007), Utilized the Mega Backdoor Roth strategy to reach the full IRS 401(k) limits, Invested everything in the S&P 500 with dividends reinvested, Then by the end of 2024: Total contributions (1998–2024): $1,300,000 Roth balance (2024):$6,239,273 存26年,从41岁存到67岁,有600万
你是对的,我又加了条件让它重算,Roth IRA account 向前推到2024最多400万,如果要500万需要从traditional IRA convert. 我还学到了meg backdoor 这个可能随时改,大家且用且珍惜。 If a person: Was 67 years old in 2024, Began contributing to a Roth IRA when it was introduced in 1998, Started contributing to a Roth 401(k) when it was introduced in 2006, Used the Mega Backdoor Roth strategy starting in 2010, Made catch-up contributions starting at age 50 in 2007, Invested all contributions into an S&P 500 index fund with dividends reinvested, and Used the maximum IRS-allowed contribution amounts each year, Then by the end of 2024, they would have: Total contributions: $1,003,500 Roth account balance:$4,084,921
富裕生活方式 – 退休储蓄约 $500 万 • 健康:顶级医疗保险,定期身体治疗 • 科技:每年更换新设备,订阅 3-4 个流媒体平台 • 汽车:拥有 2 辆高档汽车,定期全面保养 • 休闲:持续投入于俱乐部会员、演唱会或体育赛事等活动 • 住房与水电:拥有多个房产,定期维护,每 5-7 年翻新 • 理发:每月理发,出席活动时额外护理 • 饮食:经常在高档餐厅用餐(单次约 $400) • 服饰:穿着设计师品牌 • 度假:每年 1-2 次海外奢华旅行,入住高端酒店,搭乘头等或商务舱
较富裕生活方式 – 退休储蓄约 $200 万 • 健康:顶级医疗保险,偶尔接受治疗 • 科技:每 2-3 年更换设备,订阅 1 个流媒体平台 • 汽车:拥有 1-2 辆车,每年保养一次 • 休闲:适度参加会员制活动或购买门票 • 住房与水电:拥有 1 套房产,每 12-15 年翻新一次 • 理发:每 3 个月做一次专业理发 • 饮食:定期外出用餐,重要场合选择高档餐厅 • 服饰:穿着优质品牌 • 度假:每 1-2 年一次海外旅行,乘坐商务舱或优质经济舱
😄,原来有钱的标志就是有几个流媒体账号?
人家是退休花五百万,华人是八百万都要留给儿子孙子,自己只花利息。
这是华尔街财经专业分析。
华人最大的问题是一个字:贪.
胡说八道,华人这是无止境的追求,这是人类的最高境界 --- 不光为自己谋,也为子孙后代谋。
华人很难理解白人那种我死之后、哪怕洪水滔天的心态。
Medicaid nursing home没钱也收吗?
哪个 850万?
天,这是什么鬼。笑死人了
后面加个零差不多。写这个的人真心脑子不好用
也不一定。
要看多大岁数退休。而且这个钱是每人和每对夫妇也有区别。
如果68岁退休(美国标准退休年龄) 然后平均寿命现在是多少?78? 如果按照每人计算,
所以每对夫妇1000万花10年,每年100万开支,这种生活也是可行的。
不用养孩子但依然要养房子。有500万流动资金的人,每年还会需要付税,6万一年是wishful thinking 吧。
一针见血
不买房子根本用不了那么多
是的,差不太多,如果是不算自住房有500万储蓄,一半买短期国债,利率4.5%左右,一半SP500,好年头15%以上。好年头一年收益大于50万,不用动用本金。差年头少花一些,或者动用少部分本金,基本可以维持到死花不光本金。如果找专业的投资人士,说不定能搞出更好的投资组合,保证一直花不完本金。
您没看到这段? “住房与水电:拥有多个房产,定期维护,每 5-7 年翻新” 这一项就无贷20万。有贷就上不封顶了。
笑晕了。您这50万收入不用上税的啊?
如果都在roth ira里还真不用上税。能有这么多储蓄的人退休前肯定找专业的retirement financial planer, 他们专门研究怎么避税的。这样的专业人士一般客户门槛也就一百万以上。
失敬失敬。500万在Roth Ira这是Peter thiel 啊。华人网友都哭晕了:为什么我的500万投资在交税。
你也不用这么阴阳怪气,一般Roth contribution 是 7000 或8000 每年,收入高了mega backdoor 是7万或7万7千五百每年, 更何况还有Roth conversion. 退休时有500万在Roth ira 里还真不是不可能的事儿。
您这一看就是没有自己存过mega back door
正常人就是先存23k pre tax 401k. 然后公司match 7k-20k.这些都是要交税的。然后自己再存70k-30k =40k max after tax Ira . 打工人这辈子都不可能有500万的Roth Ira的。
你非要在加州缴税,神仙也没办法
您这Fed tax 都不用交的也是神仙啊
这怎么是贪? 都给孩子了。 中国人就是一个"子孙忘不了". 想不开。
人家说的是有多个房产,退休时有500万储蓄的人的生活。正常人也不用退休后一年花50万啊。 就算是有钱,也不习惯这么奢侈不是。我说的是退休时不交税,没说convert 成Roth时不用交税。如果一个人知道退休时每年都要花50万,绝对会做提前计划避税的。不会老老实实按收入税缴税。我退休时根本不用花50万,已经计划把traditional ira 慢慢都转成Roth了。
我只是告诉你有很多避税方法,只要不是W2,退休后是可以不交或者少缴税的. 富人有很多投资方式都可以避税,连捐款都可以用donor advised fund. 当你有500万时,投资选择就多了,比如投个油井之类的。最简单的商业地产的partner,每年都有收入,所有房地产的税上好处都有。
是的。我有好一些美国男同事,退休后都没有舒服过几年,存太多钱却没有几年时间花,哎。
估计70岁退休,花个几年正好人财两空🤣
对我们来说税后6万确实够了,尤其是在房贷还清了之后。所以税前十万就可以了。
对于打工人这辈子都不可能有500万的Roth IRA,我让chatgpt 算了一下。如果有一个现在到退休年龄的人,按历史真实收益数据: 第一种情况: If you are 67 years old in 2024 and since 1984 you: Contributed the maximum Roth 401(k) amount (including catch-up from age 50 in 2007), Utilized the Mega Backdoor Roth strategy to contribute additional after-tax amounts up to the IRS 401(k) limits, Invested all contributions into S&P500 Total Return Index with dividends reinvested, Then by the end of 2024, your Roth IRA balance would be: Total contributions: $1,720,000 Final portfolio value: $23,936,902 第二种情况: 如果不想从27岁干到67岁,提前10年,57岁退休的话。 By the end of 2014, under the same strategy of maximizing Roth 401(k) and Mega Backdoor Roth contributions from 1984 and investing in S&P500 Total Return Index with dividends reinvested: Total contributions made by 2014: $1,138,000 Roth account balance (2014): $6,612,810 最少干几年能存到500万?2013年。 You reached a Roth account balance of $5,000,000 in the year 2013, with a total value of approximately $5,764,527 at the end of that year. 第三种情况: 如果从37岁,1994年才开始,干到67岁: If you began contributing in 1994 (instead of 1984), maximizing your Roth 401(k) and Mega Backdoor Roth contributions each year, and invested everything in the S&P 500 with dividends reinvested, then by the end of 2024: Total contributions (1994–2024): $1,420,000 Final Roth balance (2024): $8,480,223 第几年到500万?27年, 64岁 Starting in 1994, you reached a Roth account balance of $5,000,000 in the year 2021, with an end-of-year value of approximately $6,350,539.
简直笑晕了。 是是是。您说的对。一个打工人84年开始存4万Roth Ira存了40年。您说的对! 人家Roth Ira 98年发明,您94年就存了500万。
多谢指出问题。我让它改正: Starting in 1998 (the year Roth IRAs were introduced), if you: Contributed the maximum allowed to Roth 401(k) annually (with catch-up contributions starting at age 50 in 2007), Utilized the Mega Backdoor Roth strategy to reach the full IRS 401(k) limits, Invested everything in the S&P 500 with dividends reinvested, Then by the end of 2024: Total contributions (1998–2024): $1,300,000 Roth balance (2024): $6,239,273
存26年,从41岁存到67岁,有600万
说真的,ChatGPT真跟你差不多。一本正经胡说八道。 真的。求求你。我都说了你都对了!我不回你啦。您对!
你是对的,我又加了条件让它重算,Roth IRA account 向前推到2024最多400万,如果要500万需要从traditional IRA convert. 我还学到了meg backdoor 这个可能随时改,大家且用且珍惜。 If a person: Was 67 years old in 2024, Began contributing to a Roth IRA when it was introduced in 1998, Started contributing to a Roth 401(k) when it was introduced in 2006, Used the Mega Backdoor Roth strategy starting in 2010, Made catch-up contributions starting at age 50 in 2007, Invested all contributions into an S&P 500 index fund with dividends reinvested, and Used the maximum IRS-allowed contribution amounts each year, Then by the end of 2024, they would have: Total contributions: $1,003,500 Roth account balance: $4,084,921