查了一下,在德州 Under the Texas Youth Camp Safety and Health Act, most day and residential summer camps must be licensed by the Texas Department of State Health Services (DSHS)。 Once licensed, camps must implement and maintain detailed safety measures, including: a. Formal Emergency Plans Covering disasters (floods, tornadoes, fires), lost campers, medical emergencies, epidemics, intruders, etc. Must be documented and reviewed during DSHS inspections 所以,真要追责起来,这个DSHS监察机构和夏令营都违反规定了。 然鹅,估计没人会查。 都说“We should not cast blames during this time of mourning and suffering."
这篇文章记录了一些死掉的人,CAMP MYSTIC的owner死了也很难追责了。另外一个GIRL CAMP的OWNER也死了,好在当时没有CAMPERS,万幸! Among the Texas flood victims: campers, staff, grandparents and teachers | Texas floods 2025 | The Guardian
Camp Mystic’s co-owner and director, Richard “Dick” Eastland is also among those who have died, according to the the New York Times and other outlets. Eastland, who had run Camp Mystic alongside his wife, Tweety, for more than 50 years, died while being transported to a Houston hospital, the BBC reported. He and his wife were the third generation of their family to operate the all-girls Christian summer camp. Many of their 11 grandchildren are involved in camp operations today. Eastland died while trying to save campers during the flooding, his grandson George wrote on Instagram. Jane Ragsdale Jane Ragsdale, 68, the co-owner and director of another all-girls camp along the Guadalupe River, Heart O’ the Hills, was among those killed in the devastating flood, the camp confirmed. In a statement, the camp described Ragsdale as someone who “embodied the spirit of Heart O’ the Hills”. The camp was between sessions at the time of the flooding, and no campers were on-site, the camp said. Julian Ryan Julian Ryan, 27, died while helping his family escape rising floodwaters in Ingram, Texas, his fiancee, Christinia Wilson, told CBS affiliate KHOU and the New York Times. As water surged into their home early Friday, Wilson said that Ryan placed their 13-month-old and six-year-old children on floating mattresses, and punched through a window to get his family out. Wilson said that Ryan was badly injured in the process and that despite multiple 911 calls, help didn’t arrive in time. “He died a hero, and that will never go unnoticed,” Ryan’s sister, Connie Salas, told KHOU.
天外云卷云舒 发表于 2025-07-09 15:12 这篇文章记录了一些死掉的人,CAMP MYSTIC的owner死了也很难追责了。另外一个GIRL CAMP的OWNER也死了,好在当时没有CAMPERS,万幸! Among the Texas flood victims: campers, staff, grandparents and teachers | Texas floods 2025 | The Guardian
Camp Mystic’s co-owner and director, Richard “Dick” Eastland is also among those who have died, according to the the New York Times and other outlets. Eastland, who had run Camp Mystic alongside his wife, Tweety, for more than 50 years, died while being transported to a Houston hospital, the BBC reported. He and his wife were the third generation of their family to operate the all-girls Christian summer camp. Many of their 11 grandchildren are involved in camp operations today. Eastland died while trying to save campers during the flooding, his grandson George wrote on Instagram. Jane Ragsdale Jane Ragsdale, 68, the co-owner and director of another all-girls camp along the Guadalupe River, Heart O’ the Hills, was among those killed in the devastating flood, the camp confirmed. In a statement, the camp described Ragsdale as someone who “embodied the spirit of Heart O’ the Hills”. The camp was between sessions at the time of the flooding, and no campers were on-site, the camp said. Julian Ryan Julian Ryan, 27, died while helping his family escape rising floodwaters in Ingram, Texas, his fiancee, Christinia Wilson, told CBS affiliate KHOU and the New York Times. As water surged into their home early Friday, Wilson said that Ryan placed their 13-month-old and six-year-old children on floating mattresses, and punched through a window to get his family out. Wilson said that Ryan was badly injured in the process and that despite multiple 911 calls, help didn’t arrive in time. “He died a hero, and that will never go unnoticed,” Ryan’s sister, Connie Salas, told KHOU.
not everyone is asleep. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/texas-summer-camp-evacuated-70-staying-near-river-ahead-of-flooding-saw-it-coming/ar-AA1I7fif
我记得小时候看新闻,报道钱塘潮观潮的人群,旁人在后面死命喊走,有些人就是不走,结果把命送了。
前两天看报道,英伟达是不是要在奥斯丁建厂了。加上已经在奥斯丁的高科技企业,没感觉在跑呢。另外加州山火也猛啊。
不知道呃,就百度了一下。
事后都追责了,你猜猜德州会有官员负责吗?
“时任中共郑州市委书记徐立毅因而被免职,郑州市正副市长等数十名官员也因此被问责[22][23]。”
去德州的话我宁可回国了
德州的洪水,加州的山火, 水深火热的美帝
以后保险公司有样学样,都是天意。 上次现任议会长的noah 船景点也被水毁坏了, 保险公司就是用天意拒赔,。不会现在么,都赶着孝敬议会长都来不及呢。
还有fl的飓风
对追责这块儿,两边文化和态度不一样。话说如果于天一的案件能用国内方法责罚,我是赞同的。
个人觉得狼来了懒得撤,可以理解,反正自己对自己负责就是了。
camp这个管着别人家孩子的,肯定要有protocol的。
我们这里去年Tornado watch, 附近一个类似的Christian overnight camp就让家长把娃都接回家了,就是怕升级到warning, 营地没有足够的地下室装得下所有营员的。后来确实升级到warning, 虽然小木屋没毁,但是停水停电好几天。
我们娃去的大学里的一个camp, 也是tordano warning, 已经过了睡觉的点儿了,宿舍楼十几层全被拉出来走楼梯去地下室躲着;warning 结束了再爬楼梯回房间。同一晚上warning了两次,上下折腾了两次。同时即时跟家长短信报告营员是在地下室还是回了房间的update.
这才是负责的camps,跟着protocol 走。不管后来是不是warning真的造成危险或者损害,或者只是狼来了,只要有warning就按规定应对。
有warning没反应的,就是camp负责人失职。
失职造成重大人命损失 ,就应该追究责任 , 撤销营业执照+判刑。当然 在美帝是不会对这些官僚和世家富豪们追责的。
我查了一下。 当日地铁被水倒灌是死亡14人。 300多的数字是整个发洪水事件 郑州市死亡失踪大致的数字 , 官方是有报道的
虽然国内是当时追责,调任,几年以后继续官运亨通如果背后有人的话。
但是美国的这个明明是最该负责的渎职的官员,跑出来大咧咧的说, 追责是loser的选择,我们还是祈祷吧这种真是太厚颜无耻了。 国内的官员这个时候肯定是在做检讨啊
我谷歌了一下,这个徐立毅竟然没有复出任职
作为省会城市的书记,在共产党的官员序列里是平级官员里最可能往上爬的,结果完蛋了。这件事还是很好的。
以前太多异地悄悄复位的。不要说中国了,连美国一个小警察都类似,警察犯事甚至犯罪了,被警局开除以后换个城市重新录用为警察,继续逍遥。
还有那个治死病人的医生 换个医院继续弄死病人 真是没人管。
来个政府数据 新华社北京1月21日电 记者从应急管理部获悉:日前,国务院常务会议听取了河南郑州“7·20”特大暴雨灾害调查情况的汇报,并审议通过了河南郑州“7·20”特大暴雨灾害调查报告。经国务院调查组调查认定,河南郑州“7·20”特大暴雨灾害是一场因极端暴雨导致严重城市内涝、河流洪水、山洪滑坡等多灾并发,造成重大人员伤亡和财产损失的特别重大自然灾害;郑州市委市政府及有关区县(市)、部门和单位风险意识不强,对这场特大灾害认识准备不足、防范组织不力、应急处置不当,存在失职渎职行为,特别是发生了地铁、隧道等本不应该发生的伤亡事件。郑州市及有关区县(市)党委、政府主要负责人对此负有领导责任,其他有关负责人和相关部门、单位有关负责人负有领导责任或直接责任。 2021年7月17日至23日,河南省遭遇历史罕见特大暴雨,发生严重洪涝灾害,特别是7月20日郑州市遭受重大人员伤亡和财产损失。灾害共造成河南省150个县(市、区)1478.6万人受灾,因灾死亡失踪398人,其中郑州市380人、占全省95.5%;直接经济损失1200.6亿元,其中郑州市409亿元、占全省34.1%。
你的14人哪来的?
https://www.gov.cn/xinwen/2022-01/21/content_5669723.htm 新华社哦
同意这个,我们健身房和学校只要听见warning都要紧急疏散到安全地带的。不知道为啥这么多孩子的camp 竟然没有。
信上帝啊, 都是神的安排,凡人不会懂的
按司法部长的意思,那么多人不是没s么?神迹
建营地的时候需要permit吗? 有审核过吗? 还是草台班子?
你要求真够低的,380条人命呃,他没有再当官很奇怪吗?
查了一下,在德州 Under the Texas Youth Camp Safety and Health Act, most day and residential summer camps must be licensed by the Texas Department of State Health Services (DSHS)。 Once licensed, camps must implement and maintain detailed safety measures, including: a. Formal Emergency Plans Covering disasters (floods, tornadoes, fires), lost campers, medical emergencies, epidemics, intruders, etc. Must be documented and reviewed during DSHS inspections
所以,真要追责起来,这个DSHS监察机构和夏令营都违反规定了。 然鹅,估计没人会查。 都说“We should not cast blames during this time of mourning and suffering."
德州上次冻死了246 德州州长不也还在么?
我查的维基百科页面说的啊 , 地铁里死亡14人。 https://zh.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E9%83%91%E5%B7%9E%E5%9C%B0%E9%93%815%E5%8F%B7%E7%BA%BF%E6%B0%B4%E6%B5%B8%E4%BA%8B%E6%95%85
你自己贴的政府新闻也和我说的一致, 郑州市死亡失踪380。这不就是符合我说的吗 我也是网上查的 又不是我编的。。
新华社不是写的380人吗? 从7/20到来年1月,你觉得失踪人口复活的概率还大吗?当时当地隐瞒的数据特别多。
你说的和我说的一致啊 ,so? 你在争论什么 ?
一致吗?数据说话,人在大自然面前只能敬畏。我很希望只有你说的十几人而不是380人。
郑州暴雨地铁事故死亡 14人 ,这是真实数据。你自己一开始回帖说错了说是“地铁380人“, 刻意误导另一个回帖的会意引申为官方通报只有十几人、 怎么竟然是三百多人。 我直接给她澄清了官方通报数字没有错,是地铁里死亡14, 整个郑州市380。 看来你很不满意我的澄清啊。
新华社说的哦
你的意思是 整个郑州市就这一条地铁里有水吗? 大洪水就只灌一个地铁站? 你是不是没文化啊 ?
新华社可没有说地铁里死了380。380是整个暴雨灾害的死亡人数。
So? 得看川普说的? Act of God?
呵呵,这么快就急脸了,有失风度哦。难道不是那场暴雨引起的吗? 我只信新华社报道的
(六)迟报瞒报因灾死亡失踪人数。截至9 月30日,郑州市因灾死亡失踪 380 人,其中在不同阶段瞒报139人:郑州市本级瞒报 75 人、县级瞒报49 人、乡镇(街道)瞒报15 人。一是未按规定统计上报。按照突发事件应对法和自然灾害救助条例、防汛条例等有关规定,灾情稳定前应当每日逐级上报自然灾害造成的人员伤亡等情况,有关单位和个人不得虚报、瞒报、伪造、篡改。7 月25 日至28 日,郑州市连续 4 天未通过报灾系统上报因灾死亡失踪人数,截至7月29 日仅上报 97 人。直到中央领导同志多次要求,省委办公厅、省政府办公厅 7 月 29 日、8 月1 日两次发出紧急通知后才统计上报,7 月 30 日上报 322 人、8 月1 日上报339人。二是刻意阻碍上报因灾死亡失踪人员信息。郑州市对因灾死亡失踪人数统计上报态度消极,不仅没有主动部署排查、要求及时上报,反而违规要求先核实人员身份等情况再上报,以多种借口阻碍信息报送工作。三是对已经掌握的信息隐瞒不报。7 月 25 日至 29 日郑州市县两级共瞒报116 人;8月18 日至 19 日中央领导同志考察河南期间,郑州市已掌握新增因灾死亡 12 人,但仍不如实报告;8 月20 日调查组进后,因灾死亡失踪人数比 8 月2 日公布数增加41 人,其中23 人属于瞒报。
这是政府调查报告里的内容。
https://www.mem.gov.cn/gk/sgcc/tbzdsgdcbg/202201/P020220121639049697767.pdf
So? 难道不在地铁里人就不算7/20损失?
您好像逻辑不过关啊。郑州一共死亡380人,其中有14人是死于地铁进水。死人的地方不只地铁这一处。明白了吗?
So?so的结论就是郑州地铁死亡人数是14人。
本来说的也是那场暴雨的损失。你承认380人就行。你是急脸儿那人的马甲吗?
你自己说的郑州暴雨地铁死亡失踪380人。现在已经查明不是380人而是14人。
至于整个郑州死亡人数,那是另外一个问题了。
你自己说的郑州地铁死亡380人。别人给你纠正个错误你倒抽抽起来了。
当时地铁的视频到处飞,印象深刻而已。呵呵,果真又出马甲,既然你出言不逊,也确实展现你没啥文化。不聊也罢。
印象深刻也不代表你说的数字是对的。
你承认那一场暴雨带来的灾害,那一个城市就死了380人就行。
所谓cult 不过如此吧?
这种洪水没有预报么?
别嘴硬了
我查了一下,郑州人口如下:
真可怕。 肤色和宗教的力量 所以这些人永远不会认同华人。
Among the Texas flood victims: campers, staff, grandparents and teachers | Texas floods 2025 | The Guardian
Camp Mystic’s co-owner and director, Richard “Dick” Eastland is also among those who have died, according to the the New York Times and other outlets. Eastland, who had run Camp Mystic alongside his wife, Tweety, for more than 50 years, died while being transported to a Houston hospital, the BBC reported. He and his wife were the third generation of their family to operate the all-girls Christian summer camp. Many of their 11 grandchildren are involved in camp operations today. Eastland died while trying to save campers during the flooding, his grandson George wrote on Instagram.
Jane Ragsdale Jane Ragsdale, 68, the co-owner and director of another all-girls camp along the Guadalupe River, Heart O’ the Hills, was among those killed in the devastating flood, the camp confirmed. In a statement, the camp described Ragsdale as someone who “embodied the spirit of Heart O’ the Hills”. The camp was between sessions at the time of the flooding, and no campers were on-site, the camp said.
Julian Ryan Julian Ryan, 27, died while helping his family escape rising floodwaters in Ingram, Texas, his fiancee, Christinia Wilson, told CBS affiliate KHOU and the New York Times. As water surged into their home early Friday, Wilson said that Ryan placed their 13-month-old and six-year-old children on floating mattresses, and punched through a window to get his family out. Wilson said that Ryan was badly injured in the process and that despite multiple 911 calls, help didn’t arrive in time. “He died a hero, and that will never go unnoticed,” Ryan’s sister, Connie Salas, told KHOU.
别的不说,德州这次洪灾能不能按照这个处罚标准来。
实际说的事天灾act of god. 意思就是不可抗力,虽然是天灾,但是确实也有人祸的部分。 我觉得那个CAMP虽然OWNER老头救人死了,但是他们这个家族企业应该完全停业吊销执照,并追究责任。
小孩子不让用手机可以理解, counselor 也不让用? 如果晚上有突发事件,怎么通知联系他人?我家娃去过类似的CAMP当counselor, 都是可以带手机, 还配对讲机的, 因为山里信号不好。 他负责的小学生班晚上还有哭的要回家的, 尿炕的。都需要及时和大人联系处理。
看这家的网站, 就是个家族企业, 老头老太和几个儿子全家,今年还开设了新的地址,估计这些年赚了不少。但是安全意识太差了。
我在那边住过,那条河边周末很多人开着RV来过周末。7/4 国庆估计更多的人去, 而且晚上小镇还计划着放烟火。德州很多家庭有小RV, 周末没事就开着到各个河边野营,游泳钓鱼。这种很多就没有统计, 全家连车冲走了都找不到了。
+1
没有信源的说法只能理解成造谣
做梦呢 在美国这么多年,这么多天灾人祸,就没见过有政府官员负责过
有不同级别的warnning啊. 我们这还是做得不错的.
美国警察系统大概是最腐败的了. 很多犯事的警察, 在city A被开除了, 又换到city B去上班.
这么说美帝的要求更低 就说德州吧, 2017 Hurricane Harvey死了104人 2021年冬天大停电死了246人 2024 Hurricane Beryl 死了73 这次119+173人失踪
加起来比郑州那次多多了吧,身残志坚的州长地位从未动摇,德州人也从来都不长记性,下次还会犯同样的错误。
死的只是owner之一,还有其他的owner呢
act of god. 那请问god 为啥要act upon texas?
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忘了几年前郑州地铁惨案?
怎么没有信源了?你没看新闻?开始那些病孩在天水医院检查结果就是正常,后来家长们带到西安去查,才查出来问题。天水医院为啥要帮一个幼儿园遮盖撒谎?我不觉得一个幼儿园有这么大的能量。还不是天水官员害怕事情闹大所以拼命灭火遮盖呗。
这次怎麽可能DEI,硬要说DEI你这不是暗指轮椅州长吗
This is a Christian. Go to hell.
我认为这事要分开论,act of God可以是指天灾的一面,但完全不能成为政府推脱的借口,政府的职责之一就是灾害治理,从古时候起就是这样。我作为一个基督徒非常厌恶川普政府的很多官员张口闭口提God。
郑州2021年暴雨小时雨量达到了201.9毫米, 德克萨斯3小时160mm, 每小时只有53mm,郑州雨量大了4倍 郑州地铁死了14人,德克萨斯死了110人,170人失踪,其实就是死了,德州死亡人数高了20倍。 疮普说这是上帝干的,瘸子州长在向上帝祈祷。根本没有后继救援。
有枪呀 怎么不 敢游行反抗 在国内 啥都敢批的 这时候在美国 不勇敢的 站出来,批评 游行, 让他们下台。 要自由 要民主,不作为的 下台。
你再看看呢?德州洪水都这么多个贴了,这个帖子也有18页了,脸打的疼不疼?
我记得有一年四川的都江堰,24小时下了1000毫米的大雨,一年的降雨量,一天下完。
什么乱七八糟的,前两年刚报过也是突然山洪暴发的,还有人在河里打麻将,不过预警做得好得多,上游发大水下面敲锣打鼓警报就来了,大部分人都上岸了,极少数不信邪的继续在河里打麻将被卷走了。
当时也是最热门的新闻,包括在本版,啥叫不怎么报道?没死太多人倒是真的。还有一个父亲抱着儿子的,当时催了很多人的泪,父亲最后活下来的,儿子死了
你应该是中文阅读有问题
天了,都说到这份上了你还没读懂?
最近天气不好就不出去了
天灾真的是没有办法的
在国内肯定是要问责的
Hurricane Katrina新奥尔良死了约1400人,新奥尔良总人口36万人。郑州人口1300万人
你想说明什么?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/texas-summer-camp-evacuated-70-staying-near-river-ahead-of-flooding-saw-it-coming/ar-AA1I7fif