充电器不要乱用,口都能插进去,但电流大的别充国产的东西

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forger3
楼主 (北美华人网)
刚才孩子拿macbook的充电器,充中国旅游带回来的小电风扇,冒烟了……
还好人在旁边,想充的快一点没用电扇原配的充电器。 估计国产的为了成本,却一些保护控制的单元。

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Qqqqzj
这个插之前不看电器的要求吗?电流如果超标太多自然会起火冒烟。而且国内拿回来的电器标准一般都是220v吧?
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Dida123
Qqqqzj 发表于 2025-05-16 10:01
这个插之前不看电器的要求吗?电流如果超标太多自然会起火冒烟。而且国内拿回来的电器标准一般都是220v吧?

她说的肯定是USB-c , 变压之后的。
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huanian
这个插之前不看电器的要求吗?电流如果超标太多自然会起火冒烟。而且国内拿回来的电器标准一般都是220v吧?
Qqqqzj 发表于 2025-05-16 10:01

不是,国内小电器充电有些确实不过关,一般都是110-240
我回国和朋友出门,他们都说出门前把在充电的都拔了
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laohua001
huanian 发表于 2025-05-16 10:07
不是,国内小电器充电有些确实不过关,一般都是110-240
我回国和朋友出门,他们都说出门前把在充电的都拔了

电器确实有不过关的
但是,这个事,事楼主的电器知识不过关啊!
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huanian
电器确实有不过关的
但是,这个事,事楼主的电器知识不过关啊!
laohua001 发表于 2025-05-16 10:09

lz有啥不过关,不就是同样头的插头,充个不同的东西吗,有问题吗
谁家几个手机一样插头的,还换充电器?
就是以后多个警惕,有人在家还好,出门把在充电的都拔了
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laohua001
lz有啥不过关,不就是同样头的插头,充个不同的东西吗,有问题吗
谁家几个手机一样插头的,还换充电器?
就是以后多个警惕,有人在家还好,出门把在充电的都拔了
huanian 发表于 2025-05-16 10:12

你从来不看说明书,和适配器和电器上的额定电压和电流。
自己知识欠缺,非要踩上国产电器一脚,这不是有病吗?!
Using a charger with a higher voltage than a battery''''s labeled voltage can be dangerous and can lead to several issues, including battery damage, overheating, and even fire. A charger''''s voltage needs to be slightly higher than the battery''''s voltage to push current into the battery and charge it, but it should not exceed the battery''''s maximum charge voltage. 
Here''''s a more detailed explanation:
Why Charger Voltage Needs to be Higher (but not TOO High) Driving Current: . Opens in new tab For current to flow into a battery and charge it, the charger needs to provide a higher voltage than the battery''''s terminal voltage. Charging Process: . Opens in new tab The charging process involves a voltage difference that drives the flow of current, effectively "pushing" energy into the battery.  Why Higher is Harmful Battery Damage: . Opens in new tab Exceeding the battery''''s maximum charge voltage can lead to damage, such as internal damage, reduced lifespan, or even explosion.  Thermal Runaway: . Opens in new tab Overcharging or charging with too high a voltage can cause a battery to overheat, leading to a dangerous condition called thermal runaway, where the battery''''s temperature continues to rise uncontrollably.  Fire Hazard: . Opens in new tab Thermal runaway can potentially lead to a fire, especially with some battery chemistries.  Safe Charging Practices Use the Correct Charger: Always use a charger that is specifically designed for the type and voltage of the battery you are charging.  Follow Manufacturer Instructions: Consult the battery manufacturer''''s guidelines and specifications for recommended charging voltages and currents.  Observe Voltage Limits: Never exceed the battery''''s maximum charge voltage, which is typically specified in the manufacturer''''s documentation.  Monitor Charging: Pay attention to the battery''''s temperature and voltage during charging to detect any signs of overheating or overcharging.  Safe Charging Environment: Charge batteries in a well-ventilated area, away from flammable materials, and in a safe location.  In Summary While a charger''''s voltage needs to be slightly higher than the battery''''s voltage to charge it, exceeding the battery''''s maximum charge voltage can lead to dangerous and potentially disastrous consequences. Always prioritize safety and follow the manufacturer''''s recommendations when charging batteries. 
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Top1U
好的电器会有过流保护,用大电流充电器时会切断充电防止事故。便宜的电器为了节省成本没有加入过流保护。应该出台相关法规必须加入这些保护措施。
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ply251
lz有啥不过关,不就是同样头的插头,充个不同的东西吗,有问题吗
谁家几个手机一样插头的,还换充电器?
就是以后多个警惕,有人在家还好,出门把在充电的都拔了
huanian 发表于 2025-05-16 10:12

通常多数小电器用USB口的电压是5V,但现在很多快充USB adapter都能输出9V甚至20V,电脑的更是如此,否则用5V电压根本带不动电脑。不是说都是USB口就能用。楼主拿一个mac的20V的变压器插5V的电器,当然会冒烟,但愿mac变压器没烧坏。
同理,中美普通双孔插座都一样能互插,但电压不同不能轻易混用,一个道理。
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Lxh
ply251 发表于 2025-05-16 10:42
通常多数小电器用USB口的电压是5V,但现在很多快充USB adapter都能输出9V甚至20V,电脑的更是如此,否则用5V电压根本带不动电脑。不是说都是USB口就能用。楼主拿一个mac的20V的变压器插5V的电器,当然会冒烟,但愿mac变压器没烧坏。
同理,中美普通双孔插座都一样能互插,但电压不同不能轻易混用,一个道理。

USB C不是这么工作的 正常插上是5伏 然后充电器和设备会沟通确定需要的电压 所以混用按设计是没问题的
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laohua001
Lxh 发表于 2025-05-16 10:51
USB C不是这么工作的 正常插上是5伏 然后充电器和设备会沟通确定需要的电压 所以混用按设计是没问题的


按你说的用USB C 可以给特斯拉充电了。LOL
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huanian
ply251 发表于 2025-05-16 10:42
通常多数小电器用USB口的电压是5V,但现在很多快充USB adapter都能输出9V甚至20V,电脑的更是如此,否则用5V电压根本带不动电脑。不是说都是USB口就能用。楼主拿一个mac的20V的变压器插5V的电器,当然会冒烟,但愿mac变压器没烧坏。
同理,中美普通双孔插座都一样能互插,但电压不同不能轻易混用,一个道理。

我一般就看看电压110-240的,插头一样就混着用😓。。。。
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eda2k4
huanian 发表于 2025-05-16 10:07
不是,国内小电器充电有些确实不过关,一般都是110-240
我回国和朋友出门,他们都说出门前把在充电的都拔了

这是中午阅读问题?lz可没抱怨苹果充电器不过关
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eda2k4
huanian 发表于 2025-05-16 10:12
lz有啥不过关,不就是同样头的插头,充个不同的东西吗,有问题吗
谁家几个手机一样插头的,还换充电器?
就是以后多个警惕,有人在家还好,出门把在充电的都拔了

说的不是手机
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eda2k4
USB cable和cable也不一样,你不会不看说明,然后充电速度不一样就抱怨cable不过关吧?
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huanian
eda2k4 发表于 2025-05-16 11:04
这是中午阅读问题?lz可没抱怨苹果充电器不过关

你阅读有问题吧,我说的是国内小电器有些充电不过关,国内小电器很多都是110-240电压的

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Top1U
这楼里几个ID对楼主“污蔑国货”的行径出离愤怒了,不过我把楼主每一句都读了,楼主原文根本没有“踩”国产电器的意思,楼主说的这个“估计国产的为了成本,却一些保护控制的单元” 没错,便宜的电器就是去掉了过流保护。国内论坛也有人用大电流充电器充小电器导致冒烟着火的,你也可以说是这些人没有认真读说明书。国内一些好的牌子也会有过流保护,但是就不便宜了。

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thymesu
谢谢提醒。的确有时候没事太注意。我也有带过来手持风扇,很好用,看来安全起见,不要用快冲。
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laohua001
Top1U 发表于 2025-05-16 11:15
这楼里几个ID对楼主“污蔑国货”的行径出离愤怒了,不过我把楼主每一句都读了,楼主原文根本没有“踩”国产电器的意思,楼主说的这个“估计国产的为了成本,却一些保护控制的单元” 没错,便宜的电器就是去掉了过流保护。国内论坛也有人用大电流充电器充小电器导致冒烟着火的,你也可以说是这些人没有认真读说明书。国内一些好的牌子也会有过流保护,但是就不便宜了。


来来, 你先看看Mac的说明。 不按充电说明, 电器起火, 不要太常见。 你所谓的“过流保护”也不是万能的。Mac用了不合格充电器一样着火。
楼主说的事故,和电器本身无关,和楼主知识水平相关。 楼主为啥不检讨自己的知识缺陷?



Mac 的重要安全性信息 【警告】不遵循这些安全性说明,可能会导致火灾、触电或其他伤害,还可能损坏 MacBook Air、线缆或其他财物。使用 MacBook Air 之前,请先阅读下面的所有安全性信息。
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eda2k4
laohua001 发表于 2025-05-16 10:15
你从来不看说明书,和适配器和电器上的额定电压和电流。
自己知识欠缺,非要踩上国产电器一脚,这不是有病吗?!
Using a charger with a higher voltage than a battery''''s labeled voltage can be dangerous and can lead to several issues, including battery damage, overheating, and even fire. A charger''''s voltage needs to be slightly higher than the battery''''s voltage to push current into the battery and charge it, but it should not exceed the battery''''s maximum charge voltage. 
Here''''s a more detailed explanation:
Why Charger Voltage Needs to be Higher (but not TOO High) Driving Current: . Opens in new tab For current to flow into a battery and charge it, the charger needs to provide a higher voltage than the battery''''s terminal voltage. Charging Process: . Opens in new tab The charging process involves a voltage difference that drives the flow of current, effectively "pushing" energy into the battery.  Why Higher is Harmful Battery Damage: . Opens in new tab Exceeding the battery''''s maximum charge voltage can lead to damage, such as internal damage, reduced lifespan, or even explosion.  Thermal Runaway: . Opens in new tab Overcharging or charging with too high a voltage can cause a battery to overheat, leading to a dangerous condition called thermal runaway, where the battery''''s temperature continues to rise uncontrollably.  Fire Hazard: . Opens in new tab Thermal runaway can potentially lead to a fire, especially with some battery chemistries.  Safe Charging Practices Use the Correct Charger: Always use a charger that is specifically designed for the type and voltage of the battery you are charging.  Follow Manufacturer Instructions: Consult the battery manufacturer''''s guidelines and specifications for recommended charging voltages and currents.  Observe Voltage Limits: Never exceed the battery''''s maximum charge voltage, which is typically specified in the manufacturer''''s documentation.  Monitor Charging: Pay attention to the battery''''s temperature and voltage during charging to detect any signs of overheating or overcharging.  Safe Charging Environment: Charge batteries in a well-ventilated area, away from flammable materials, and in a safe location.  In Summary While a charger''''s voltage needs to be slightly higher than the battery''''s voltage to charge it, exceeding the battery''''s maximum charge voltage can lead to dangerous and potentially disastrous consequences. Always prioritize safety and follow the manufacturer''''s recommendations when charging batteries. 

查了一下,USB C还真不一样
USB Power Delivery (PD): Many USB-C chargers use the USB Power Delivery protocol, which allows them to negotiate power levels with the connected device. This ensures that the charger provides the correct voltage and current for the device. Default USB-C Ratings: If a device doesn't have a PD-compatible chip, it will still charge at the default USB-C ratings (5 volts, up to 3 amps). No Damage: As long as the charger provides the required voltage and current, and the device is USB-C compatible, there's usually no risk of damage.
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Anotherfacet
USB C插口的充电协议复杂程度远远超出你的想象,尤其是几种快充。
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FatSheep
回复 1楼 forger3 的帖子
这个提醒很重要啊,经常看见有USB C口就以为充电器肯定可以通用了。
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Grace302
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pingpingpang
我的理解是,只要是按spec做的产品,混用是没有问题的,否则你拿了一根充电线,真能知道说明吗? 所以国内的产品,要尽量买品牌的
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laohua001
pingpingpang 发表于 2025-05-16 12:21
我的理解是,只要是按spec做的产品,混用是没有问题的,否则你拿了一根充电线,真能知道说明吗? 所以国内的产品,要尽量买品牌的

充电只看usb-c 线,不看适配器吗?
痘痘猪
Qqqqzj 发表于 2025-05-16 10:01
这个插之前不看电器的要求吗?电流如果超标太多自然会起火冒烟。而且国内拿回来的电器标准一般都是220v吧?

重新看帖
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bigzzbigzz
好不容易等来个type-c,以为可以统一了,结果是换汤不换药,资本家的贪婪可见一斑。现在是更容易混了
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rbgger
forger3 发表于 2025-05-16 09:55
刚才孩子拿macbook的充电器,充中国旅游带回来的小电风扇,冒烟了……
还好人在旁边,想充的快一点没用电扇原配的充电器。 估计国产的为了成本,却一些保护控制的单元。


电流大小取决于用电器,充电头不能决定电流大小。你这估计八成是小电扇内部短路了,估计是电池短路,跟用哪个充电头充没关系。
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chickenrib
Qqqqzj 发表于 2025-05-16 10:01
这个插之前不看电器的要求吗?电流如果超标太多自然会起火冒烟。而且国内拿回来的电器标准一般都是220v吧?

大姐,人家楼主说的,很明显是USB-C 充电,和110/220没关系。
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hrshidsb
还以为在开车呢
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liny
Qqqqzj 发表于 2025-05-16 10:01
这个插之前不看电器的要求吗?电流如果超标太多自然会起火冒烟。而且国内拿回来的电器标准一般都是220v吧?

MacBook 不是USB c 口吗? USB有什么电压问题
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sepcummins
回复 1楼 forger3 的帖子
USB C voltage is negotiated between the charger and the device, with typical values being 5V, 9V, 15V, and 20V, and even higher with EPR (Extended Power Range). EPR can reach 48V. 小电风扇 does not have the chip that replies to the charger's inquiry what voltage to use, the charger will deliver default voltage for mac.
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jestjet
明显自己的问题