美国研究机构 funding,Trump 的要求和 Harvard 的回信

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denville
楼主 (北美华人网)

对不了解学校 funding 的说明一下, 1. 美国私立大学没有政府直接拨款 funding,大部分 government funding 是 individual faculty or group 根据自己的研究课题申请的。除了那些 center grants,大部分 research grant 跟着 faculty 走,如果 faculty 换学校,grant 也跟着到另一个学校。 2. Grant application 竞争非常激烈的,不同行业有些区别,health 方面的 funding rate 大概 10%。也就是平均写 10个 application 才能拿到一个。 3. funding 给了就有 contract binding 了,政府随意取消就是违反 contract。 4. 且不说那些游行本身是非对错,游行的人和靠 research grant 做研究的人可能根本不相关。这届政府就是以对反犹行为处理不力作为借口打击美国高等教育和科研!
正如哥大一夜之间被取消 400 million 的时候一个 doctor 说的: “We’re actually quite busy. We’re actually doing our job. We are trying to save lives. We don’t have the time to ruminate on all this.”
知识越多越反动。大家最好别读书,每天听他瞎 bb MAGA!
Trump Administration 4月11号发给 Harvard 的信 https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/04/14/us/trump-harvard-demands.html NY times 总结的几条Trump Administration 的要求 - Conducting plagiarism checks on all current and prospective faculty members. - Sharing all its hiring data with the Trump administration, and subjecting itself to audits of its hiring while “reforms are being implemented,” at least through 2028. - Providing all admissions data to the federal government, including information on both rejected and admitted applicants, sorted by race, national origin, grade-point average and performance on standardized tests. - Immediately shutting down any programming related to DEI. - Overhauling academic programs that the Trump administration says have “egregious records on antisemitism,” including placing certain departments and programs under an external audit. The list includes the Divinity School, the Graduate School of Education, the School of Public Health and the Medical School, among many others.
Harvard 4月14号官方回信: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/04/14/us/harvard-letter.html
harvard 拒绝后,Trump Administration Will Freeze $2 Billion After Harvard Refuses Demands https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/14/us/harvard-trump-reject-demands.html
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teabucket
其实elon 2T 目标只能完成150b 差到天上去了,这会导致川普原本的budget plan 计划窟窿更大。现在为了砍funding 怕不是要用百分之百的力气了,关税战也是铁了心了
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denville
这里还有个被 terminate 的 health 方面相关 grants link,每周五更新。可以看看,除了一小部分是哥大的,其他的最多的各级州市县政府的 public health 相关拨款。除了 DEI 相关的以外,很多传染病的防疫和研究相关的被砍了。
https://taggs.hhs.gov/Content/Data/HHS_Grants_Terminated.pdf

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teabucket 发表于 2025-04-14 21:44
其实elon 2T 目标只能完成150b 差到天上去了,这会导致川普原本的budget plan 计划窟窿更大。现在为了砍funding 怕不是要用百分之百的力气了,关税战也是铁了心了

doge, 关税战和玩儿命砍funding, 省下来的钱全都是为了补减税的窟窿
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dalishuishou

真是何其悲哀

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redpill
给富人加点税那么难吗
d
denville
不少 faculty 已经在找别的国家的工作了。这样嚯嚯美国的高等教育,我们当年努力出国留学,难道我娃又要走同样的路?
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Suess123
redpill 发表于 2025-04-14 22:20
给富人加点税那么难吗

必须难呀 版上的川粉会告诉你让富人交税根本不可能
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layjohns
假设啊,这意思好比哈佛医学院有100个NIH R01,这就差不多2~3亿刀,这砍掉的类似这些grant?
昨夜小樓聽雨
Harvard前幾週被罵了, 現在終於醒悟過來了, 川皇望之不似人君啊。
哈佛站出來反抗, 可能有幾年的陣痛, 但長期來看, 絕對是值得的。
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Bridgette
只准右派搞viewpoint diversity,不准左派搞DEI。这不是只许州官放火不许百姓点灯吗?再说,怎么评判每个人的viewpoint?靠自己交待?还是同事检举揭发?
这是给哈佛的信的部分原文: By August 2025, the University shall commission an external party, which shall satisfy the federal government as to its competence and good faith, to audit the student body, faculty, staff, and leadership for viewpoint diversity, such that each department, field, or teaching unit must be individually viewpoint diverse. This audit shall begin no later than the summer of 2025 and shall proceed on a department-by-department, field-by-field, or teaching-unit-by-teaching-unit basis as appropriate. Every department or field found to lack viewpoint diversity must be reformed by hiring a critical mass of new faculty within that department or field who will provide viewpoint diversity; every teaching unit found to lack viewpoint diversity must be reformed by admitting a critical mass of students who will provide viewpoint diversity. If the review finds that the existing faculty in the relevant department or field are not capable of hiring for viewpoint diversity, or that the relevant teaching unit is not capable of admitting a critical mass of students with diverse viewpoints, hiring or admissions within that department, field, or teaching unit shall be transferred to the closest cognate department, field, or teaching unit that is capable of achieving viewpoint diversity. This audit shall be performed and the same steps taken to establish viewpoint diversity every year during the period in which reforms are being implemented, which shall be at least until the end of 2028.
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magnoliaceae
Bridgette 发表于 2025-04-14 22:48
只准右派搞viewpoint diversity,不准左派搞DEI。这不是只许州官放火不许百姓点灯吗?再说,怎么评判每个人的viewpoint?靠自己交待?还是同事检举揭发?
这是给哈佛的信的部分原文: By August 2025, the University shall commission an external party, which shall satisfy the federal government as to its competence and good faith, to audit the student body, faculty, staff, and leadership for viewpoint diversity, such that each department, field, or teaching unit must be individually viewpoint diverse. This audit shall begin no later than the summer of 2025 and shall proceed on a department-by-department, field-by-field, or teaching-unit-by-teaching-unit basis as appropriate. Every department or field found to lack viewpoint diversity must be reformed by hiring a critical mass of new faculty within that department or field who will provide viewpoint diversity; every teaching unit found to lack viewpoint diversity must be reformed by admitting a critical mass of students who will provide viewpoint diversity. If the review finds that the existing faculty in the relevant department or field are not capable of hiring for viewpoint diversity, or that the relevant teaching unit is not capable of admitting a critical mass of students with diverse viewpoints, hiring or admissions within that department, field, or teaching unit shall be transferred to the closest cognate department, field, or teaching unit that is capable of achieving viewpoint diversity. This audit shall be performed and the same steps taken to establish viewpoint diversity every year during the period in which reforms are being implemented, which shall be at least until the end of 2028.

这个塔利班看了都要甘拜下风
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Bridgette
哈佛如果对这样的丧权辱国的条约跪了,那无疑宣告了美国文革的开始。
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denville
回复 9楼 layjohns 的帖子
谁知道会砍啥。除了 NIH 还有 CDC, DoD,NSF 。。。 NIH 里面除了 R01,还有很多 P grant 是用来 support 不同方向的研究的,比如 cancer,alzheimer, diabetes, ...
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Bridgette
magnoliaceae 发表于 2025-04-14 22:53
这个塔利班看了都要甘拜下风

说什么meritocracy. 🐶P!
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Daenke
denville 发表于 2025-04-14 21:55
这里还有个被 terminate 的 health 方面相关 grants link,每周五更新。可以看看,除了一小部分是哥大的,其他的最多的各级州市县政府的 public health 相关拨款。除了 DEI 相关的以外,很多传染病的防疫和研究相关的被砍了。
https://taggs.hhs.gov/Content/Data/HHS_Grants_Terminated.pdf


因为世界上没有传染病,只有大小不一的flu
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Bridgette 发表于 2025-04-14 22:48
只准右派搞viewpoint diversity,不准左派搞DEI。这不是只许州官放火不许百姓点灯吗?再说,怎么评判每个人的viewpoint?靠自己交待?还是同事检举揭发?
这是给哈佛的信的部分原文: By August 2025, the University shall commission an external party, which shall satisfy the federal government as to its competence and good faith, to audit the student body, faculty, staff, and leadership for viewpoint diversity, such that each department, field, or teaching unit must be individually viewpoint diverse. This audit shall begin no later than the summer of 2025 and shall proceed on a department-by-department, field-by-field, or teaching-unit-by-teaching-unit basis as appropriate. Every department or field found to lack viewpoint diversity must be reformed by hiring a critical mass of new faculty within that department or field who will provide viewpoint diversity; every teaching unit found to lack viewpoint diversity must be reformed by admitting a critical mass of students who will provide viewpoint diversity. If the review finds that the existing faculty in the relevant department or field are not capable of hiring for viewpoint diversity, or that the relevant teaching unit is not capable of admitting a critical mass of students with diverse viewpoints, hiring or admissions within that department, field, or teaching unit shall be transferred to the closest cognate department, field, or teaching unit that is capable of achieving viewpoint diversity. This audit shall be performed and the same steps taken to establish viewpoint diversity every year during the period in which reforms are being implemented, which shall be at least until the end of 2028.

说好的merit based hire呢?在招聘的时候先问政治倾向,呵呵了。
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dyon
re,游行的人和靠 research grant 做研究的人可能根本不相关。 人家grant是pi和千老一起自己做了很多前期工作申请到的,都忙着卷paper和grant谁有空去游行。这个制裁简直和安陵容一样有病,不管后宫谁欺负她,她都要记恨报复甄嬛。
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cigna
dyon 发表于 2025-04-15 16:48
re,游行的人和靠 research grant 做研究的人可能根本不相关。 人家grant是pi和千老一起自己做了很多前期工作申请到的,都忙着卷paper和grant谁有空去游行。这个制裁简直和安陵容一样有病,不管后宫谁欺负她,她都要记恨报复甄嬛。

就是个借口,已经在打SOCIAL SECURITY 的坏主意了,大学的资金不算什么,只要不给富人加税,他就不会被弹劾。
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dyon
回复 14楼 denville 的帖子
doe上周刚宣布 也把idc砍到15%。然后这周十几个学校联名sue doe了
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andolomeda
全世界关税战,还要kiss my ass,惹得欧洲和日本都在抛美债,收益率直奔5。 Elon省的那点零碎都不够他嚯嚯的。