Luigi上庭了, pleads not guilty

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bighead12345
zzou 发表于 2024-12-25 13:09
大家看了这个没有,这是live 节目 哈哈:

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https://www.youtube.com/embed/8dftfqMje3Y


这是真cousin吗?还是半开玩笑的。
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Slou9900
slurslur 发表于 2024-12-25 14:31
回复 288楼 Slou9900 的帖子
“就算最后没判一级谋杀,总能 guilty of 其中几个。” —— 这个同意
“法律的意义在于严格遵循现有的法理,而不是人心所向。法律不 care 任何具体的人,它不同情 Luigi, 也不帮助 prosecutors,它只在乎自己也没有被遵守。” —— 这个明显是你自己想象的,但凡你听过罗翔的讲座系列,或者看过Netflix 的犯罪纪录片,你都会知道:法律并不是一套死板的标准,它需要结合现实社会,制衡各方面呼声。——因为在人类社会里,从来就没有绝对的公平,也没有永恒的正义。

你没明白我的意思。我们俩说的是不同的方面
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lambofgod168
法律上杀了人但审判结果是 not guilty 指的是 not guilty of the crime one was charged with,不是说这人 innocent。
所以现在维基上对他的指控有一长串,宾夕法尼亚对他还有四项相对来说 minor charges,单子太长了截屏不下来。就算最后没判一级谋杀,总能 guilty of 其中几个。
法律的意义在于严格遵循现有的法理,而不是人心所向。法律不 care 任何具体的人,它不同情 Luigi, 也不帮助 prosecutors,它只在乎自己也没有被遵守。法官,检察官,辩护律师,陪审团,这些 players 必须做好自己份内的事,排除情感因素和自己的观点对审判结果的干扰。真要这样才是笑话

Slou9900 发表于 2024-12-25 13:42


你不明白的是,法律以及整个社会系统都是人制定的,为人服务的,也是由人执行的,并且并非完美的一成不变的,也不是黑白分明一刀切的。
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artdong


美国的法律判决,最终是谁决定的?
是那 12 位有血有肉有爱有恨的普通美国公民啊。
所以法律当然是人心所向的,它靠的就是人心的一致所向。

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bighead12345
Slou9900 发表于 2024-12-25 13:42
法律上杀了人但审判结果是 not guilty 指的是 not guilty of the crime one was charged with,不是说这人 innocent。
所以现在维基上对他的指控有一长串,宾夕法尼亚对他还有四项相对来说 minor charges,单子太长了截屏不下来。就算最后没判一级谋杀,总能 guilty of 其中几个。
法律的意义在于严格遵循现有的法理,而不是人心所向。法律不 care 任何具体的人,它不同情 Luigi, 也不帮助 prosecutors,它只在乎自己也没有被遵守。法官,检察官,辩护律师,陪审团,这些 players 必须做好自己份内的事,排除情感因素和自己的观点对审判结果的干扰。真要这样才是笑话

你追过辛普森案吗?铁板钉钉的谋杀都被他逃脱了,里面有种种因素,人为的,社会的,等等。
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bighead12345
artdong 发表于 2024-12-25 15:00


美国的法律判决,最终是谁决定的?
是那 12 位有血有肉有爱有恨的普通美国公民啊。
所以法律当然是人心所向的,它靠的就是人心的一致所向。


希望陪审团不要被强大的资本给操弄了。
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zzou

这是真cousin吗?还是半开玩笑的。
bighead12345 发表于 2024-12-25 14:44

不是真cousin 他是个comedian. 上节目毫无预兆的开玩笑来着: 看这个新闻报道:
https://www.complex.com/pop-culture/a/treyalston/gianmarco-soresi-luigi-mangione-cousin-joke
这个人也是马里兰意大利后裔,哈哈,说实话,长得还有像,估计更能共情luigi
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Slou9900
bighead12345 发表于 2024-12-25 15:02
你追过辛普森案吗?铁板钉钉的谋杀都被他逃脱了,里面有种种因素,人为的,社会的,等等。

正相反。辛普森和 Casey Anthony 都无罪释放,是因为陪审团坚持了法律原则,没有随心。这些陪审团成员很了不起。你们都没有理解法律的本质
魏大爷的邻居
Slou9900 发表于 2024-12-25 15:33
正相反。辛普森和 Casey Anthony 都无罪释放,是因为陪审团坚持了法律原则,没有随心。这些陪审团成员很了不起。你们都没有理解法律的本质

我参加过陪审团,其中一位无脑的人,毁了案子的审判。
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KOH
虽然我也挺支持把那些保险公司都干死的,但是这个no guilty是怎么个思路。。。
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ipanther
artdong 发表于 2024-12-23 12:49

大家看到了吗?
拜登刚刚把 37 位联邦罪犯从死刑改到终身监禁,因为川普说过会严厉执行联邦死刑罪啊。
唉。。。

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Slou9900
魏大爷的邻居 发表于 2024-12-25 15:37
我参加过陪审团,其中一位无脑的人,毁了案子的审判。

我说的了不起指的是那两个 high profile 案子里的24个陪审团成员
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kittyblue
魏大爷的邻居 发表于 2024-12-25 15:37
我参加过陪审团,其中一位无脑的人,毁了案子的审判。

具体讲讲, 怎么被毁的?你觉得LUiGI达成一致不容易吗?
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bighead12345
artdong 发表于 2024-12-25 13:20


任何媒体大人物都很难直接说支持 Luigi 的,不能公开直接支持暴力啊。

有直接说反对的,更有叫他凶手的,比如纽约市长。Adam’s这种大嘴巴一定要多说,正好给Luigi律师更多把柄。
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bighead12345
zzou 发表于 2024-12-25 15:10
不是真cousin 他是个comedian. 上节目毫无预兆的开玩笑来着: 看这个新闻报道:
https://www.complex.com/pop-culture/a/treyalston/gianmarco-soresi-luigi-mangione-cousin-joke
这个人也是马里兰意大利后裔,哈哈,说实话,长得还有像,估计更能共情luigi

说得真自然。😄 很快被cut了。
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artdong
bighead12345 发表于 2024-12-25 15:48
有直接说反对的,更有叫他凶手的,比如纽约市长。Adam’s这种大嘴巴一定要多说,正好给Luigi律师更多把柄。


哈哈哈
支持癞蛤蟆市长大嘴多说
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kittyblue


fox 这个fake news 里面几个 bitch 疯了,好像杀了她们的爹了. 特别中间一段段, 哪个胖女人, 好恨 LUIGI的
https://www.foxnews.com/video/6366411823112

还有这头猪 https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/comments/1hbwn0q/fox_news_if_luigi_mangione_is_not_going_to_get/
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Dayisfss
artdong 发表于 2024-12-25 13:11

网上传的 Elon 对 Luigi 的评论,已经证实是假的了。
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/elon-musk-unitedhealthcare-ceo-shooting/
Elon 啥都没说,但是命令X 恢复Luigi的X账号,是社交媒体上唯一恢复他真人账号的。

对啊,Elon 这样做已经很仗义了!
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jellynsyrup
zzou 发表于 2024-12-25 13:09
大家看了这个没有,这是live 节目 哈哈:

系统提示:若遇到视频无法播放请点击下方链接
https://www.youtube.com/embed/8dftfqMje3Y

特别搞笑,那俩主持人的表现也说明他们的立场
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charming999
artdong 发表于 2024-12-25 13:48

欧洲亚洲美洲啊
好壮观,俺真的不记得何时出过这么一个全球英雄偶像的, 这绝对是当今信息时代普通人对任何压逼他们的权利阶层的一种控诉。

确实壮观, 看了捐款留言,捐款也是来自世界各地,这还是在邪恶的gofundme删了给他的捐款而只能在一个小网站募捐的情况下,真是除了Luigi没有任何人在背着杀人案件的时候在民众中有如此高的待遇,我们不知道他最后的官司结果是怎样的,但是他显然已经赢得了全世界人民的心。
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charming999
zzou 发表于 2024-12-25 13:57
小红书上有后面camera 的照片,真是美国大片的配置啊,无数摄像头,灯光各种,真是拍电影的节奏

感觉摄影师其实已经在为未来的纪录片提前准备照片素材。
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jellynsyrup
感觉摄影师其实已经在为未来的纪录片提前准备照片素材。
charming999 发表于 2024-12-25 18:13

hulu前两天已经出了一集纪录片了,按小红书网友的说法,“剪辑软件都干冒烟”
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charming999
jellynsyrup 发表于 2024-12-25 18:46
hulu前两天已经出了一集纪录片了,按小红书网友的说法,“剪辑软件都干冒烟”

太好了, 今晚就去看纪录片,我觉得Luigi的家人在忧心孩子的处境的同时, 应该也有些许安慰, 有这么多民众在支持他。
大队书记
Slou9900 发表于 2024-12-25 15:33
正相反。辛普森和 Casey Anthony 都无罪释放,是因为陪审团坚持了法律原则,没有随心。这些陪审团成员很了不起。你们都没有理解法律的本质

不能同意更多,辛普森的律师发现现场的手套不是他能带得下。辛普森案被很多人忽悠为权贵操弄司法的典型,实际是对美国司法公正的不理解。娃的同学去检察院intern, 遇见过毒贩交接开枪打死对方的案子。警察知道是两个人中间的一人开枪,但是没法知道是谁。案子放法官桌上,直接dismiss掉。很多做法官,检察官,公共辩护律师的真是出于对公平公正的初心,出去做私人辩护律师本可以挣得盆满钵满,我们难以理解
吃鸡蛋
回复 313楼 Dayisfss 的帖子
艺龙这种大嘴巴什么都没说就算支持了
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kittyblue
Slou9900 发表于 2024-12-25 15:33
正相反。辛普森和 Casey Anthony 都无罪释放,是因为陪审团坚持了法律原则,没有随心。这些陪审团成员很了不起。你们都没有理解法律的本质

辛普森案是这天价大牌律师在里面 PLAY 了重要原因让大部分陪审团没法结论, 当初为选择有利于辛普森的陪审团他的律师可是折腾了很多次的



再给你看看这个当初 Tiffany Li 的无罪释放的案例吧,难道是有钱人的巧合吗?
权贵来说杀个人花点钱就可以摆平法律. 里面的律师诬陷或高价收买指使了这个老黑当替罪羊, 后面老黑自己的案子没有证据也不了了之结束。
为此大概李家支付了6000万一个亿美元



https://padailypost.com/2019/09/24/as-tiffany-li-murder-trial-opens-defense-says-prosecutors-got-it-wrong/
https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/peninsula/man-who-dumped-murder-victims-body-sentenced-for-passport-fraud/2284698/
But Li’s attorney, Geoff Carr, said that the police investigation into Green’s murder was of a kidnapping gone wrong until Adella started “spinning a fairy tale” in which he implicated Li and Bayat. Adella will not be testifying. Adella was offered a plea deal in February 2018 in exchange for his testimony against Li and Bayat. However, two weeks ago, it came to light that Adella allegedly sent threatening messages to a defense witness. As a result, prosecutors dropped him as a witness. Adella pleaded no contest last year to a charge that alleges he disposed of Green’s body in Sonoma County. Carr made it clear during a brief press conference yesterday that the defense attorneys will not be calling Adella as a witness. He repeatedly called Adella a liar. Carr’s co-counsel, May Mar, said there is enough circumstantial evidence to prove that Adella was the real culprit of Green’s murder, and that over the course of the next two months, all of the evidence will be laid out.
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kittyblue
辛普森案 有9个史上最强顶级律师团, 最后选了8个黑人, 一个白人, 一个西班牙人,一个半黑人的 JUROR。 前无古人的最强倾向于黑人辛普森,对两死去的白人不利组合。

The lawyers representing O.J. Simpson in his 1995 murder trial were known as the "Dream Team":  Robert Shapiro: One of the first lawyers to join the defense team, and the initial lead attorney before Johnnie Cochran took over. Shapiro was known for his criminal defense expertise and representing celebrities.  Johnnie Cochran: Became the lead attorney for the defense team. Cochran''''''''''''''''s famous phrase, “If it doesn''''''''''''''''t fit, you must acquit,” emphasized the ill-fitting glove as a symbol of Simpson''''''''''''''''s innocence.  F. Lee Bailey: Scrutinized Detective Fuhrman''''''''''''''''s credibility, suggesting a tainted investigation.  Barry Scheck and Peter Neufeld: Challenged the DNA evidence, exposing flaws in the collection and testing process.  Robert Kardashian: One of Simpson''''''''''''''''s lawyers.  Alan Dershowitz: One of Simpson''''''''''''''''s lawyers.  Carl E. Douglas: One of Simpson''''''''''''''''s lawyers.  Shawn Holley: One of Simpson''''''''''''''''s lawyers.  Gerald Uelmen: One of Simpson''''''''''''''''s lawyers. 


O.J. Simpson''''''''s defense attorneys used a tactic to potentially dissuade the prosecution from challenging Black jurorsSuggesting racially motivated challenges: When the prosecution challenged a potential Black juror, defense attorney Johnnie Cochran would approach the bench and suggest that the challenge may have been racially motivated.

The defense team for O.J. Simpson''''''''s 1995 murder trial included a diverse group of lawyers, including F. Lee Bailey, Alan Dershowitz, Barry Scheck, and Johnnie Cochran. The jury that acquitted Simpson was made up of eight Black jurors, one white juror, two Hispanic jurors, and one juror who was half Native American. 
Some say that the defense played on the jury''''''''s emotions and manipulated them into distrusting the LAPD. The defense capitalized on anger among the city''''''''s African-American community toward the LAPD, which had a history of racial bias. 
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Slou9900
大队书记 发表于 2024-12-25 19:12
不能同意更多,辛普森的律师发现现场的手套不是他能带得下。辛普森案被很多人忽悠为权贵操弄司法的典型,实际是对美国司法公正的不理解。娃的同学去检察院intern, 遇见过毒贩交接开枪打死对方的案子。警察知道是两个人中间的一人开枪,但是没法知道是谁。案子放法官桌上,直接dismiss掉。很多做法官,检察官,公共辩护律师的真是出于对公平公正的初心,出去做私人辩护律师本可以挣得盆满钵满,我们难以理解

加一点,其实私人刑事案件辩护律师也是法律体系内绝对必要,理论上看正义甚至高尚的职业。千万不要从“怎么能为杀人犯辩护,一定是良心坏掉了”这个角度去评价辩护律师。
他们的职责是防止起诉者 (就是要把你自由夺走的人) 轻易达到目的。不要说我巴不得检察官能顺利达到目的,最后把坏人关起来甚至死刑。当制约检察官和警察的力量变得弱小,甚至主动让权的时候,检察官和警察的触手很快会侵犯到很多无辜的老百姓的利益。
辩护律师不能用自己的喜好,良知,和对案件的看法,来决定自己为嫌犯辩护时努力的程度。对待任何客户,包括毒贩,杀人犯,强奸犯,和真正 innocent 的人,都必须一样努力。只有任何案件他都一样地全力以赴,才能保证当他全力以赴 really matters 时 (嫌犯是被冤枉的),他全力以赴。
现在叫喊 jury nullification 的人,是在试图影响 potential jury 的判断,为 jury 筛选工作造成难度,影响审判过程的公平性。往轻了说是不理智,往重了说是不道德的
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Slou9900
kittyblue 发表于 2024-12-25 20:07
辛普森案 有9个史上最强顶级律师团, 最后选了8个黑人, 一个白人, 一个西班牙人,一个半黑人的 JUROR。 前无古人的最强倾向于黑人辛普森,对两死去的白人不利组合。

The lawyers representing O.J. Simpson in his 1995 murder trial were known as the "Dream Team":  Robert Shapiro: One of the first lawyers to join the defense team, and the initial lead attorney before Johnnie Cochran took over. Shapiro was known for his criminal defense expertise and representing celebrities.  Johnnie Cochran: Became the lead attorney for the defense team. Cochran''''''''''''''''s famous phrase, “If it doesn''''''''''''''''t fit, you must acquit,” emphasized the ill-fitting glove as a symbol of Simpson''''''''''''''''s innocence.  F. Lee Bailey: Scrutinized Detective Fuhrman''''''''''''''''s credibility, suggesting a tainted investigation.  Barry Scheck and Peter Neufeld: Challenged the DNA evidence, exposing flaws in the collection and testing process.  Robert Kardashian: One of Simpson''''''''''''''''s lawyers.  Alan Dershowitz: One of Simpson''''''''''''''''s lawyers.  Carl E. Douglas: One of Simpson''''''''''''''''s lawyers.  Shawn Holley: One of Simpson''''''''''''''''s lawyers.  Gerald Uelmen: One of Simpson''''''''''''''''s lawyers. 


O.J. Simpson''''''''s defense attorneys used a tactic to potentially dissuade the prosecution from challenging Black jurorsSuggesting racially motivated challenges: When the prosecution challenged a potential Black juror, defense attorney Johnnie Cochran would approach the bench and suggest that the challenge may have been racially motivated.

The defense team for O.J. Simpson''''''''s 1995 murder trial included a diverse group of lawyers, including F. Lee Bailey, Alan Dershowitz, Barry Scheck, and Johnnie Cochran. The jury that acquitted Simpson was made up of eight Black jurors, one white juror, two Hispanic jurors, and one juror who was half Native American. 
Some say that the defense played on the jury''''''''s emotions and manipulated them into distrusting the LAPD. The defense capitalized on anger among the city''''''''s African-American community toward the LAPD, which had a history of racial bias. 

陪审团是起诉方辩护方双方一起选出来的,不是辛普森的律师天团单方面决定的。
大队书记
Slou9900 发表于 2024-12-25 20:28
加一点,其实私人刑事案件辩护律师也是法律体系内绝对必要,理论上看正义甚至高尚的职业。千万不要从“怎么能为杀人犯辩护,一定是良心坏掉了”这个角度去评价辩护律师。
他们的职责是防止起诉者 (就是要把你自由夺走的人) 轻易达到目的。不要说我巴不得检察官能顺利达到目的,最后把坏人关起来甚至死刑。当制约检察官和警察的力量变得弱小,甚至主动让权的时候,检察官和警察的触手很快会侵犯到很多无辜的老百姓的利益。
辩护律师不能用自己的喜好,良知,和对案件的看法,来决定自己为嫌犯辩护时努力的程度。对待任何客户,包括毒贩,杀人犯,强奸犯,和真正 innocent 的人,都必须一样努力。只有任何案件他都一样地全力以赴,才能保证当他全力以赴 really matters 时 (嫌犯是被冤枉的),他全力以赴。
现在叫喊 jury nullification 的人,是在试图影响 potential jury 的判断,为 jury 筛选工作造成难度,影响审判过程的公平性。往轻了说是不理智,往重了说是不道德的

手动点赞, 完全同意
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kittyblue
加一点,其实私人刑事案件辩护律师也是法律体系内绝对必要,理论上看正义甚至高尚的职业。千万不要从“怎么能为杀人犯辩护,一定是良心坏掉了”这个角度去评价辩护律师。
他们的职责是防止起诉者 (就是要把你自由夺走的人) 轻易达到目的。不要说我巴不得检察官能顺利达到目的,最后把坏人关起来甚至死刑。当制约检察官和警察的力量变得弱小,甚至主动让权的时候,检察官和警察的触手很快会侵犯到很多无辜的老百姓的利益。
辩护律师不能用自己的喜好,良知,和对案件的看法,来决定自己为嫌犯辩护时努力的程度。对待任何客户,包括毒贩,杀人犯,强奸犯,和真正 innocent 的人,都必须一样努力。只有任何案件他都一样地全力以赴,才能保证当他全力以赴 really matters 时 (嫌犯是被冤枉的),他全力以赴。
现在叫喊 jury nullification 的人,是在试图影响 potential jury 的判断,为 jury 筛选工作造成难度,影响审判过程的公平性。往轻了说是不理智,往重了说是不道德的
Slou9900 发表于 2024-12-25 20:28

我觉得你严重理想化 Text Book 化了JUDEGE, LAYWERS, JUROR这里面一系列人物了。
我有个非常聪明的有独立思想的(TOP SCHOOL faculty)犹太朋友当多次 JUROR, 说经常里面有狠人 push everyone reach agreement, 然后大部分人还要回去上班工作拖不起这没完没了的没有定论,这里的大部分就跟班不管对错要求剩下的人也 同意,像个小社会。最后作为我朋友她那种有独立精神的人在众人巨大压力下不得不妥协
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陪审团是起诉方辩护方双方一起选出来的,不是辛普森的律师天团单方面决定的。
Slou9900 发表于 2024-12-25 20:38

法律上要100% PROVE GUILTY 除非有现场人脸录像或直接现场多个证人, 否则很难100%确认,
天价 DREAM 律师团的作用这时候来了, 就是挖掘和利用程序上任何漏洞让你无法100% PROVE GUILTY。 这就是资本社会钱的巨大作用。
辛普森杀妻案 如此, TIFFANY LI 杀前老公案也如此
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kittyblue
陪审团是起诉方辩护方双方一起选出来的,不是辛普森的律师天团单方面决定的。
Slou9900 发表于 2024-12-25 20:38

Please do a better research before publish your opinion. 在黑人区选的80%的黑人JURORS。而没有放在案发的富人区, 哪里大部分的是白人和富人
All attorneys, or certainly all litigation attorneys, know that the most important part of a case, and the threshold issue, is attempting to obtain a judge or jury who will give you at least a chance of winning the case. In the O.J. Simpson murder trial, there was zero chance for the prosecution to prevail in a Downtown Los Angeles courtroom. The deputies, and in particular Marcia Clark and Christopher Darden, did a very good job, but they were dealt a losing hand. If the case had been tried in Santa Monica, or many other judicial districts, the prosecution would have had an excellent chance of winning. I wonder what Dist. Atty. Gil Garcetti was thinking when he filed the case in Downtown Los Angeles when, in fact, the murders took place in the Santa Monica Judicial District.
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kittyblue 发表于 2024-12-25 20:46
法律上要100% PROVE GUILTY 除非有现场人脸录像或直接现场多个证人, 否则很难100%确认,
天价 DREAM 律师团的作用这时候来了, 就是挖掘和利用程序上任何漏洞让你无法100% PROVE GUILTY。 这就是资本社会钱的巨大作用。
辛普森杀妻案 如此, TIFFANY LI 杀前老公案也如此

本来到定罪之前的庭审过程就是 in favor of the accused 的。凭什么让检方轻松达到目的?就是要给他们设计难度,take away 一个人的自由的过程,必须经得住各个角度全方位反抗和质疑。这次客户是辛普森,下次客户就可能是你和我
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kittyblue 发表于 2024-12-25 20:54
Please do a better research before publish your opinion. 在黑人区选的80%的黑人JURORS。而没有放在案发的富人区, 哪里大部分的是白人和富人
All attorneys, or certainly all litigation attorneys, know that the most important part of a case, and the threshold issue, is attempting to obtain a judge or jury who will give you at least a chance of winning the case. In the O.J. Simpson murder trial, there was zero chance for the prosecution to prevail in a Downtown Los Angeles courtroom. The deputies, and in particular Marcia Clark and Christopher Darden, did a very good job, but they were dealt a losing hand. If the case had been tried in Santa Monica, or many other judicial districts, the prosecution would have had an excellent chance of winning. I wonder what Dist. Atty. Gil Garcetti was thinking when he filed the case in Downtown Los Angeles when, in fact, the murders took place in the Santa Monica Judicial District.

关于陪审团筛选是双方共同参与同意的,我说的是事实,不是我个人的 opinion
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关于陪审团筛选是双方共同参与同意的,我说的是事实,不是我个人的 opinion
Slou9900 发表于 2024-12-25 21:05

再来看看
Simpson’s defense team almost immediately filed a motion to get the trial moved to a predominantly black neighborhood... and, they were successful. 
你也看到当 起诉LOCATION的决定不同导致的JUROR 的背景出身不同从而就已近决定案件最后谁输谁赢, 就知道你的对个system 里面的各个角色的夸夸其谈是多么的空洞。
这里还有有政治原因, 有DA 迫于政治压力做事的原因。 最重要的是天价律师在背后推动


For the OJ criminal trial, who chose the venue? Why was it held in downtown Los Angeles? The OJ civil trial was held in Santa Monica. Simpson’s defense team almost immediately filed a motion to get the trial moved to a predominantly black neighborhood... and, they were successful. This was right after the Rodney King verdicts of the six police officers -- the prosecution realized they had lost their case once that trial was moved to that new jurisdiction. To their credit, the prosecution still did their best… Even though they knew their case was a lost cause, once the venue had changed. District Attorney Garcetti also discussed that with them. At that time — Los Angeles was racially as volatile as any place in the nation. The entire nation was outraged. The riots lasted two weeks — and divided the city, and the state, and entire nation. The outcome of the Trial did the same… for obvious reasons… The entire nation had witnessed the video of the Rodney King beatings. on an almost daily basis. Now — begins the Simpson Trial. Right after all of that. The nearly all-black jury wanted “payback” over an unrelated trial that had just concluded, and had caused riots — a trial which was completely corrupt…. where six police officers were incorrectly found “not guilty,” which was laughable — even though they were all obviously guilty and it was actually all captured on a camera. All six police officers were on video beating the shit out of Black Man — merely because he was Black. “Can’t we all just get along?” [-Rodney King’s own words.] — I am white, but I was outraged over the corrupt verdict in that trial ridiculous Rodney King trial. I was outraged. I was furious. The Simpson Trial was a case of jury nullification. Or, as some called it — “Payback.” The jury in the Simpson case deliberately decided to ignore the law and all of the evidence, and to make a very, very public statement to the white, Caucasian United States of America. “This is what YOU have been doing to US, for past 100 years…. Freeing someone who is obviously a guilty of murder, in public.” White men have gotten away with murder of Black People for the past 100 years… merely because they were white. Trayvon Martin, more than 1000 lynchings, bombings of a church, Emmet Till’s murder, Mississippi Burning… That has been occurring in courtrooms, without fail — for one hundred years. Without exception, at that time. This particular African-American jury decided to send a very, very loud message to the entire white United States of America. And, they did.
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kittyblue 发表于 2024-12-25 21:24
你也看到当 起诉LOCATION的决定不同导致的JUROR 的背景出身不同从而就已近决定案件最后谁输谁赢, 就知道你的对个system 里面的各个角色的夸夸其谈是多么的空洞。

顶级律师团的作用不仅仅是寻找细枝末节中的各种漏洞,而是这些顶级律师跟法官da等都有千丝万缕的关系和深厚的交情。还真以为那些法官da是多么刚正不阿正直无私?
你根本不用跟这几个人废话,他们都是把美国的法律看作是完美无瑕至高无上的体系,把da法官等看作正义使者,笑死人。
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吃鸡蛋 发表于 2024-12-25 19:18
回复 313楼 Dayisfss 的帖子
艺龙这种大嘴巴什么都没说就算支持了

有人@Elon 说luigi 的x 账号被封了,Elon说 I’ll look into it. 很快Luigi x账号就恢复了,这绝对是默默支持了
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kittyblue
顶级律师团的作用不仅仅是寻找细枝末节中的各种漏洞,而是这些顶级律师跟法官da等都有千丝万缕的关系和深厚的交情。还真以为那些法官da是多么刚正不阿正直无私?
你根本不用跟这几个人废话,他们都是把美国的法律看作是完美无瑕至高无上的体系,把da法官等看作正义使者,笑死人。

lambofgod168 发表于 2024-12-25 21:33

是啊, 哈哈, 不懂有些人无知还很道貌岸然。 好处是LUIGI 案可以参考此案。
https://www.quora.com/Did-the-OJ-prosecution-really-pick-the-downtown-LA-court-because-it-was-good-for-Gil-Garcettis-political-career
The Simpson Trial was a case of jury nullification. Or, as some called it — “Payback.” The jury in the Simpson case deliberately decided to ignore the law and all of the evidence, and to make a very, very public statement to the white, Caucasian United States of America. “This is what YOU have been doing to US, for past 100 years…. Freeing someone who is obviously a guilty of murder, in public.”
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kittyblue 发表于 2024-12-25 21:46
是啊, 哈哈, 不懂有些人无知还很道貌岸然。 好处是LUIGI 案可以参考此案。
https://www.quora.com/Did-the-OJ-prosecution-really-pick-the-downtown-LA-court-because-it-was-good-for-Gil-Garcettis-political-career
The Simpson Trial was a case of jury nullification. Or, as some called it — “Payback.” The jury in the Simpson case deliberately decided to ignore the law and all of the evidence, and to make a very, very public statement to the white, Caucasian United States of America. “This is what YOU have been doing to US, for past 100 years…. Freeing someone who is obviously a guilty of murder, in public.”

是的。记得当时Rodney king案也是刚判白人警察无罪(记忆若有误请谅解),黑人们无处发泄的愤怒发泄到这个案子里去了。所以说是各种因素交织在一起的结果。
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bighead12345 发表于 2024-12-25 21:54
是的。记得当时Rodney king案也是刚判白人警察无罪(记忆若有误请谅解),黑人们无处发泄的愤怒发泄到这个案子里去了。所以说是各种因素交织在一起的结果。

里面的后来主导案子的律师老黑还是民权运动家。在黑人区扇风点火能力太强了
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我觉得你严重理想化 Text Book 化了JUDEGE, LAYWERS, JUROR这里面一系列人物了。
我有个非常聪明的有独立思想的(TOP SCHOOL faculty)犹太朋友当多次 JUROR, 说经常里面有狠人 push everyone reach agreement, 然后大部分人还要回去上班工作拖不起这没完没了的没有定论,这里的大部分就跟班不管对错要求剩下的人也 同意,像个小社会。最后作为我朋友她那种有独立精神的人在众人巨大压力下不得不妥协
kittyblue 发表于 2024-12-25 20:43

是的,公司里有一个白男说他亲戚去做juror, 拖了几个月,最后把工作给丢了。 最近有个电影叫 Juror#2,有的陪审员不想花过多的时间,急于达成协议
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kittyblue 发表于 2024-12-25 20:43
我觉得你严重理想化 Text Book 化了JUDEGE, LAYWERS, JUROR这里面一系列人物了。
我有个非常聪明的有独立思想的(TOP SCHOOL faculty)犹太朋友当多次 JUROR, 说经常里面有狠人 push everyone reach agreement, 然后大部分人还要回去上班工作拖不起这没完没了的没有定论,这里的大部分就跟班不管对错要求剩下的人也 同意,像个小社会。最后作为我朋友她那种有独立精神的人在众人巨大压力下不得不妥协

有些楼友可能就是太nerdy,书生气太重,或者说太迂腐了
冰是睡着的水
jellynsyrup 发表于 2024-12-25 10:38
lulu书上说ceo和老婆分居离婚中,还出轨有小三,不知道是不是真的,而且这种事情不是一般会拿家人照片和家人采访出来说他是个好丈夫好爸爸出来博同情吗,怎么到现在还没有

是哦 一般都是受害人家属眼泪汪汪要求正义之类的
大喜妞
kittyblue 发表于 2024-12-25 16:13


fox 这个fake news 里面几个 bitch 疯了,好像杀了她们的爹了. 特别中间一段段, 哪个胖女人, 好恨 LUIGI的
https://www.foxnews.com/video/6366411823112

还有这头猪 https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/comments/1hbwn0q/fox_news_if_luigi_mangione_is_not_going_to_get/

果然相由心生。