这次零元购可能真能被打压了,偷$950以下也要坐牢

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Taisy66
楼主 (北美华人网)
36号提案通过
这是针对“47号提案”的修正案,新措施将允许对犯有两次盗窃罪、因入室行窃或盗窃 950 美元以下物品而被定罪的个人提起重罪指控,并对有组织的“砸抢”盗窃行为施加更严厉的惩罚。此外,第 36 号提案还提议对涉及芬太尼、海洛因和甲基苯丙胺等物质的重复性毒品犯罪提起重罪指控,并允许完成法院命令的计划的符合条件的个人选择接受治疗而不是入狱。


加州居民已经盼了十年了,才盼来“47号提案”的修正案,最终投票结果是70.4%的选民赞成通过。
加州零元购的“保护伞”没了!治安会好转吗?

第36号提案,在加州以压倒性优势通过,加强零售犯罪处罚!

饿
饿
剩下那30%是什么情况?
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flyingmind
饿 发表于 2024-11-06 21:57
剩下那30%是什么情况?

犯人及其家属,以及某些极左大爱人士
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marytng
为什么问题严重这么久了,才放在议题上面?早就应该打击这些了
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Fionabright
newson 在准备下一届的总统竞选,要不然,要不然,怎么会这么快,可惜,不知道有多少人相信他
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jiahui
回复 5楼 Fionabright 的帖子
真心的不希望这个家伙上,感觉他竞争不过Vance,他是真正的富豪纨绔子弟,上了一个莫名其妙的Santa Clara university, 能当上加州州长已经让我对美国这个国家有了更深层次的认识,不敢想象他做总统。
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mylittle9
我在想,这次打算怎么解决监狱经费不足的问题呢?

当年0元购的起始,就是政府没钱了,监狱客满了。所以小偷小摸就别关了。。
现在这个问题怎么解决?
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EightDishes
mylittle9 发表于 2024-11-06 22:22
我在想,这次打算怎么解决监狱经费不足的问题呢?

当年0元购的起始,就是政府没钱了,监狱客满了。所以小偷小摸就别关了。。
现在这个问题怎么解决?

Defund police?没有police,就不会立案,就不会有罪犯了,而且defund了政府就有钱
木牛流马
加州人民大比例通过了prop 36,民心所向
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hcrab
https://oaklandside.org/2024/11/06/pamela-price-recall-likely-to-pass/
  Price’s likely recall signals backlash against progressive reform The district attorney recall is leading at 65% following a well-funded campaign focused on Oakland crime and victims’ rights.  
Alameda County District Attorney Pamela Price will be recalled, if early results hold after many more ballots are counted in the coming days. About 65% of voters whose ballots have been tallied so far support her ouster.  According to the Registrar of Voters, there are hundreds of thousands of additional ballots that need to be counted in the coming weeks and results could change. But it’s unlikely the numbers will shift so much that Price can prevail. In a statement shared by her campaign Wednesday, Price nevertheless encouraged patience before drawing conclusions.
“I am optimistic that when all the votes are counted, we will be able to continue the hard work of transforming our criminal justice system,” she said. Price is the second Bay Area DA to be ousted in as many years, and the success of the recall election is a victory for a campaign that began in earnest several months after she took office. The recall was part of a broader movement to overhaul local government, with anti-crime activists accusing Price and other progressive politicians of creating dangerous conditions in the East Bay. The effort to recall Oakland Mayor Sheng Thao is also significantly ahead, by the same margin as the Price recall. Supporters of the campaign to kick Price out of office partied Tuesday night at Buffet Fortuna in San Leandro. The event drew about 35 people, some of whom had lost family members to homicides and feel that Price doesn’t adequately represent crime victims. They cheered, clapped, and teared up when the first results were released shortly after 8 p.m. “They said there would not be a recall. They said we wouldn’t get enough signatures to get it on the ballot. We did,” said Carl Chan, an Alameda resident and Oakland Chinatown advocate. He co-led the recall campaign with Brenda Grisham, an Oakland resident and business owner who lost a son to gun violence in Oakland in 2010.
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ksun
marytng 发表于 2024-11-06 22:02
为什么问题严重这么久了,才放在议题上面?早就应该打击这些了

不是啊 2020年有一个一样的950无差别重罪prop 20被选民否决了。
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Struggle
挺好的啊
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mtwash
我在加州的几个大学同学,清一色铁蓝民主党,但一直都是强力支持严惩零元购的,其它的包括反对大麻和任何种类的毒品在非医学层面的合法化、反对同性教育过于低龄和过于鼓励、反对开放边界、反对增税
一个班级的同学三观还真一致
说白了,中产以上华人民主党支持者的根基是反排外,是这一点的单一选民。在经济上和意识形态上,其实反而比较接近共和党。
而这次大选表明了持有这个立场的民主党支持者甚至都不仅仅是中产了,一些不甚富裕的拉丁裔也是这个态度嘛
所以民主党碰了鼻子需要拐弯了哟,呵呵,让我们看看加州各级基层政府对零元购的惩治效果,下次大选检查成绩
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maaagiaaa2004
mtwash 发表于 2024-11-06 22:33
我在加州的几个大学同学,清一色铁蓝民主党,但一直都是强力支持严惩零元购的,其它的包括反对大麻和任何种类的毒品在非医学层面的合法化、反对同性教育过于低龄和过于鼓励、反对开放边界、反对增税
一个班级的同学三观还真一致
说白了,中产以上华人民主党支持者的根基是反排外,是这一点的单一选民。在经济上和意识形态上,其实反而比较接近共和党。
而这次大选表明了持有这个立场的民主党支持者甚至都不仅仅是中产了,一些不甚富裕的拉丁裔也是这个态度嘛
所以民主党碰了鼻子需要拐弯了哟,呵呵,让我们看看加州各级基层政府对零元购的惩治效果,下次大选检查成绩

加州还有车窗没被砸过的么?
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swuwan
感觉就是一张废纸 加州司法系统,检察系统,警察系统,行政系统里面的掌握实权官员和公务员,基本上90%都是民主党支持者 想想当年连总统都被这些行政系统修理的惨不忍睹 通过几张法案它们完全可以不理,执行过程中自由发挥就行
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hcrab
mtwash 发表于 2024-11-06 22:33
我在加州的几个大学同学,清一色铁蓝民主党,但一直都是强力支持严惩零元购的,其它的包括反对大麻和任何种类的毒品在非医学层面的合法化、反对同性教育过于低龄和过于鼓励、反对开放边界、反对增税
一个班级的同学三观还真一致
说白了,中产以上华人民主党支持者的根基是反排外,是这一点的单一选民。在经济上和意识形态上,其实反而比较接近共和党。
而这次大选表明了持有这个立场的民主党支持者甚至都不仅仅是中产了,一些不甚富裕的拉丁裔也是这个态度嘛
所以民主党碰了鼻子需要拐弯了哟,呵呵,让我们看看加州各级基层政府对零元购的惩治效果,下次大选检查成绩

我也在加州,我觉得这次选民这个法案表态是很好的倾向,结果而言可能也不会改善太多。在绝大多数加州地区,民主党干得再烂,最多把这个民主党官员选下去,再换另一个民主党官员上来,基本上换汤不换药。
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Cloudy20
还得看是实际情况啊,如果跟现在一样警察不作为,0元购根本不出警,36通过了也没用
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codeshogun
jiahui 发表于 2024-11-06 22:19
回复 5楼 Fionabright 的帖子
真心的不希望这个家伙上,感觉他竞争不过Vance,他是真正的富豪纨绔子弟,上了一个莫名其妙的Santa Clara university, 能当上加州州长已经让我对美国这个国家有了更深层次的认识,不敢想象他做总统。

佩洛西的nephew,你能拿他怎么样?
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hcrab
codeshogun 发表于 2024-11-06 22:40
佩洛西的nephew,你能拿他怎么样?

在加州他有背景可以窝里横,来联邦选选,看中间选民买不买他的账
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arabdopsis
mylittle9 发表于 2024-11-06 22:22
我在想,这次打算怎么解决监狱经费不足的问题呢?

当年0元购的起始,就是政府没钱了,监狱客满了。所以小偷小摸就别关了。。
现在这个问题怎么解决?

建议鞭刑
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jbea
jiahui 发表于 2024-11-06 22:19
回复 5楼 Fionabright 的帖子
真心的不希望这个家伙上,感觉他竞争不过Vance,他是真正的富豪纨绔子弟,上了一个莫名其妙的Santa Clara university, 能当上加州州长已经让我对美国这个国家有了更深层次的认识,不敢想象他做总统。

Vance看着沉稳靠谱一些.
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EightDishes
mtwash 发表于 2024-11-06 22:33
我在加州的几个大学同学,清一色铁蓝民主党,但一直都是强力支持严惩零元购的,其它的包括反对大麻和任何种类的毒品在非医学层面的合法化、反对同性教育过于低龄和过于鼓励、反对开放边界、反对增税
一个班级的同学三观还真一致
说白了,中产以上华人民主党支持者的根基是反排外,是这一点的单一选民。在经济上和意识形态上,其实反而比较接近共和党。
而这次大选表明了持有这个立场的民主党支持者甚至都不仅仅是中产了,一些不甚富裕的拉丁裔也是这个态度嘛
所以民主党碰了鼻子需要拐弯了哟,呵呵,让我们看看加州各级基层政府对零元购的惩治效果,下次大选检查成绩

你这个几个同学只是self identify为铁蓝民主党,他们持有这些观点,就已经被新左派开除党籍了,统统要算为极右、川粉
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Lalala2022
太好了。
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guogai
在加州他有背景可以窝里横,来联邦选选,看中间选民买不买他的账
hcrab 发表于 2024-11-06 22:43

除非有能力加州弄出个样子来
收那么多稅,天天赤字
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EightDishes
hcrab 发表于 2024-11-06 22:38
我也在加州,我觉得这次选民这个法案表态是很好的倾向,结果而言可能也不会改善太多。在绝大多数加州地区,民主党干得再烂,最多把这个民主党官员选下去,再换另一个民主党官员上来,基本上换汤不换药。

one party system就是这样了
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guogai
arabdopsis 发表于 2024-11-06 22:44
建议鞭刑

估计圣母们不同意
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Cloudy20
ksun 发表于 2024-11-06 22:32
不是啊 2020年有一个一样的950无差别重罪prop 20被选民否决了。

之前了解这个提案的时候看到的反方意见是说cost问题,监狱装不下这么多犯人,但我想总花费不变情况下,罪犯多了那就人均减少花费就行了呗,不行让他们劳动改造几天赚钱cover自己在里面的开销不行吗?最不靠谱的一条反对意见居然说因为这个题案是MAGA提出来的,我心想这也是反对理由?写这个反对意见的人脑子里有水吧,虽然MAGA很多地方不招人待见但是反对难道不应该反对提案本身吗?居然还有提案出身论了?现在感觉搞政治的人很多不靠谱。
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custom
算识趣,还不改,等着别人来清算
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cheeseball
hcrab 发表于 2024-11-06 22:28
https://oaklandside.org/2024/11/06/pamela-price-recall-likely-to-pass/
  Price’s likely recall signals backlash against progressive reform The district attorney recall is leading at 65% following a well-funded campaign focused on Oakland crime and victims’ rights.  
Alameda County District Attorney Pamela Price will be recalled, if early results hold after many more ballots are counted in the coming days. About 65% of voters whose ballots have been tallied so far support her ouster.  According to the Registrar of Voters, there are hundreds of thousands of additional ballots that need to be counted in the coming weeks and results could change. But it’s unlikely the numbers will shift so much that Price can prevail. In a statement shared by her campaign Wednesday, Price nevertheless encouraged patience before drawing conclusions.
“I am optimistic that when all the votes are counted, we will be able to continue the hard work of transforming our criminal justice system,” she said. Price is the second Bay Area DA to be ousted in as many years, and the success of the recall election is a victory for a campaign that began in earnest several months after she took office. The recall was part of a broader movement to overhaul local government, with anti-crime activists accusing Price and other progressive politicians of creating dangerous conditions in the East Bay. The effort to recall Oakland Mayor Sheng Thao is also significantly ahead, by the same margin as the Price recall. Supporters of the campaign to kick Price out of office partied Tuesday night at Buffet Fortuna in San Leandro. The event drew about 35 people, some of whom had lost family members to homicides and feel that Price doesn’t adequately represent crime victims. They cheered, clapped, and teared up when the first results were released shortly after 8 p.m. “They said there would not be a recall. They said we wouldn’t get enough signatures to get it on the ballot. We did,” said Carl Chan, an Alameda resident and Oakland Chinatown advocate. He co-led the recall campaign with Brenda Grisham, an Oakland resident and business owner who lost a son to gun violence in Oakland in 2010.

She, herself is a criminal!
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hang_out
早该这样了,本来正常的事儿、常识性问题给民主党搞得不正常反常识,现在纠正起来那么吃力,可笑。
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jiahui
jbea 发表于 2024-11-06 22:46
Vance看着沉稳靠谱一些.

那你眼睛挺厉害的,Vance就是小人得志不择手段往上爬的典型,所以我才觉得Newsom这种都不过他。沉稳靠谱跟Vance没有一毛钱关系好不好
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xiaohetiao
饿 发表于 2024-11-06 21:57
剩下那30%是什么情况?

加州州长之流
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Majia99Plus
建议送他们到南极,关监狱要花纳税人的钱 no way
哦对了,还有这一种,一样的,送南极 https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/south-bay/bust-suspects-san-jose-sideshows/3695883/
爱吃木瓜
当初950不起诉法案是谁提出来,又是怎么通过的
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xiaohetiao
当初950不起诉法案是谁提出来,又是怎么通过的
爱吃木瓜 发表于 2024-11-06 23:29

斯坦福某教授提出,卡马拉任加州attorney general 时批准提案文稿,号称监狱省下的钱给社区和学校,然后加州父母就上当了 据说法案通过后,950以下算轻罪嘛,卡马拉示意这种不需起诉,然后加州治安跳水。 加州怎么会没钱?给非移,homeless拨了多少钱,最后这些钱有多少落入相关人士腰包?
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Iced_Mocha
hcrab 发表于 2024-11-06 22:28
https://oaklandside.org/2024/11/06/pamela-price-recall-likely-to-pass/
  Price’s likely recall signals backlash against progressive reform The district attorney recall is leading at 65% following a well-funded campaign focused on Oakland crime and victims’ rights.  
Alameda County District Attorney Pamela Price will be recalled, if early results hold after many more ballots are counted in the coming days. About 65% of voters whose ballots have been tallied so far support her ouster.  According to the Registrar of Voters, there are hundreds of thousands of additional ballots that need to be counted in the coming weeks and results could change. But it’s unlikely the numbers will shift so much that Price can prevail. In a statement shared by her campaign Wednesday, Price nevertheless encouraged patience before drawing conclusions.
“I am optimistic that when all the votes are counted, we will be able to continue the hard work of transforming our criminal justice system,” she said. Price is the second Bay Area DA to be ousted in as many years, and the success of the recall election is a victory for a campaign that began in earnest several months after she took office. The recall was part of a broader movement to overhaul local government, with anti-crime activists accusing Price and other progressive politicians of creating dangerous conditions in the East Bay. The effort to recall Oakland Mayor Sheng Thao is also significantly ahead, by the same margin as the Price recall. Supporters of the campaign to kick Price out of office partied Tuesday night at Buffet Fortuna in San Leandro. The event drew about 35 people, some of whom had lost family members to homicides and feel that Price doesn’t adequately represent crime victims. They cheered, clapped, and teared up when the first results were released shortly after 8 p.m. “They said there would not be a recall. They said we wouldn’t get enough signatures to get it on the ballot. We did,” said Carl Chan, an Alameda resident and Oakland Chinatown advocate. He co-led the recall campaign with Brenda Grisham, an Oakland resident and business owner who lost a son to gun violence in Oakland in 2010.

这个DA的行为令人发指啊!她的理念是,对罪犯,包括暴力犯罪的罪犯,用感化和社区介入等方式,来代替刑期。在她治下,大罪变小罪,小罪变无罪,对罪犯可谓是宽容关爱之极。
希望这次recall能够通过,把她赶出office。不过我每次看到这种新闻,想法都是,这样的人,当初是怎么能够被选上的?民主党的支持者,可以看看,放任纵容民主党向左狂奔,就是这样的结果。
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Iced_Mocha
xiaohetiao 发表于 2024-11-06 23:40
斯坦福某教授提出,卡马拉任加州attorney general 时批准提案文稿,号称监狱省下的钱给社区和学校,然后加州父母就上当了 据说法案通过后,950以下算轻罪嘛,卡马拉示意这种起诉,然后加州治安跳水。 加州怎么会没钱?给非移,homeless拨了多少钱,最后这些钱有多少落入相关人士腰包?

给非移,homeless的经费,贪起来多容易啊。加在罪犯头上的预算,就没那么好染指了,吼吼
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Majia99Plus
回复 37楼 Iced_Mocha 的帖子
然后在学校强迫5岁的小男生穿裙子,有病
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songguo
税那么重,号称自己是世界第几大经济实体,连最基本的治安都说没钱搞,要反思下钱哪儿去了。
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xiaohetiao
Iced_Mocha 发表于 2024-11-06 23:46
这个DA的行为令人发指啊!她的理念是,对罪犯,包括暴力犯罪的罪犯,用感化和社区介入等方式,来代替刑期。在她治下,大罪变小罪,小罪变无罪,对罪犯可谓是宽容关爱之极。
希望这次recall能够通过,把她赶出office。不过我每次看到这种新闻,想法都是,这样的人,当初是怎么能够被选上的?民主党的支持者,可以看看,放任纵容民主党向左狂奔,就是这样的结果。

这种令人发指的da 很多,各州都有,背后都指向同一人, 索罗斯,邪恶无比
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HONNINGSVAG
回复 7楼 mylittle9 的帖子
这一直都是个假议题 还真有傻叉信 你没钱修监狱找州长啊 找给非法移民安置费啊 找给变性手术补助款啊
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laughsun
去哪里坐牢呢?加州的监狱不够用啊,而且费用很高的
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nomorewaiting
其他地方不知道,加州监狱床位肯定不够
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Ilovemykids100
严惩罪犯,犯罪率下来了就不需要那么多监狱了呀
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flaminglotus
jiahui 发表于 2024-11-06 22:19
回复 5楼 Fionabright 的帖子
真心的不希望这个家伙上,感觉他竞争不过Vance,他是真正的富豪纨绔子弟,上了一个莫名其妙的Santa Clara university, 能当上加州州长已经让我对美国这个国家有了更深层次的认识,不敢想象他做总统。

Santa Clara U 莫名躺枪。你的意思是只能yale之类出来才能做美国总统? 不能苟同。
木牛流马
mylittle9 发表于 2024-11-06 22:22
我在想,这次打算怎么解决监狱经费不足的问题呢?

当年0元购的起始,就是政府没钱了,监狱客满了。所以小偷小摸就别关了。。
现在这个问题怎么解决?

真不懂加州那么多税都用到哪儿去了
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lm0317
早就应该那样了