别这样想，你考完了更好，有身份不想做住院医也可以考虑去田纳西,不需要做住院医了如果原来是外国医生。 我帮你找个好消息，新法刚开始不久哦！ Gov. Bill Lee made history by signing a bill that makes Tennessee the first state in the country to remove redundant medical-residency requirements for top international doctors. By opening a new pathway for doctors trained outside the United States, HB1312 and SB1451 , introduced by state Rep. Sabi Kumar and state Sen. Kerry Roberts, will help Tennessee address its growing physician shortage. the new law removes the unnecessary repetitive training requirement for doctors licensed abroad. https://www.statnews.com/2023/05/18/doctors-trained-outside-us-licensing-tennessee/
我以为是自己发的帖子。下午刚问了chatgpt，回复如下。 Yes, it is absolutely possible to become a doctor at 40, though it requires dedication, planning, and hard work. Many people pursue medicine later in life for various reasons, including career changes, personal fulfillment, or delayed education. Here’s a general overview of what to consider: 1. Timeline • Undergraduate Degree: 4 years (if not already completed or if prerequisites are missing) • Medical School: 4 years • Residency: 3-7 years, depending on the specialty You could potentially begin practicing medicine in your early 50s. Many doctors continue practicing well into their 60s and beyond, so you’d still have a meaningful career span. 2. Prerequisites and Exams • If your background isn’t in science, you may need to take prerequisite courses (e.g., biology, chemistry). • You’ll need to pass the MCAT (Medical College Admission Test) to apply for medical school. 3. Medical School Admission Considerations • Some schools value non-traditional students who bring life experience and diverse perspectives. • Admissions committees often look for candidates with strong motivation, experience (like shadowing doctors), and good academic performance. 4. Challenges and Trade-offs • Family and Financial Impact: Medical school is expensive, and balancing it with personal obligations can be demanding. • Residency Workload: Residency involves long, intensive hours, which can be physically taxing, though many people successfully manage it even in their 40s or 50s. 5. Support and Opportunities • Some schools have programs specifically designed for older or second-career students. • Scholarships and grants might be available, and some healthcare systems offer tuition assistance if you work for them post-graduation. Ultimately, becoming a doctor at 40 is a realistic and achievable goal if you are passionate and prepared for the challenges ahead.
回复 160楼 点苍鹤云 的帖子 Foreign-Trained Doctors Like Me Were Asked to Help Fight Covid-19 NEWS Apr 9 Written By Lubab al-Quraishi This piece was originally published by STAT News. When people ask if they should call me “doctor,” I’ve always answered, “Please, call me Lubab.” Titles don’t matter to me. But what does matter to me is for America to acknowledge my medical training and the skills I honed as a physician in Iraq and to let me work here as a doctor, especially after having toiled on the frontlines of Covid-19 care alongside thousands of other foreign-trained health professionals: physicians, nurses, medical assistants, and others. We helped saved countless lives. After graduating ninth in my class of 300 at Baghdad College of Medicine, I worked as a licensed pathologist for a decade in Iraq’s capital city. My family and I had to flee when death squads tried to kill us. At the time, I didn’t know where we would end up. When we arrived in the U.S. in 2014, I thought that it wouldn’t take long for me to qualify to work as a physician. I was wrong. American laws make it difficult for foreign physicians to apply for licenses to practice medicine. The high cost makes it even harder. So I ended up working the drive-thru at a Popeyes to make ends meet. We didn’t have thousands of dollars to spare for any reason, even to secure my future as a doctor. Eventually, I was lucky to find work as a pathologist’s assistant in New Jersey. There’s a big difference between being a licensed pathologist and being a pathologist’s assistant. When a patient has surgery for cancer, the tissue the surgeon removes is sent to the pathology department. A pathologist’s assistant removes malignant tissue from the specimen and prepares it for the pathologist to analyze under the microscope and make a diagnosis about the specimen. In Baghdad, I was the one making the diagnosis. In New Jersey, I’m just the preparer. I’m not alone living in this kind of professional limbo. A recent study from the Migration Policy Institute estimates that 263,000 immigrants and refugees have educations in health-related fields from abroad, but are either unemployed or underemployed in low-paying jobs here, an unfortunate waste of their brains. They aren’t able to work at the level of their training here because the U.S. does not make it easy for them to pass the licensing exams. I’ve come to realize that in America, medical licensing is a business. It’s all about money. In April 2020, as Covid-19 was surging across the U.S., Phil Murphy, the governor of New Jersey, issued an executive order that gave some foreign-trained health care workers temporary licenses, which made it possible for them to help fight Covid-19. Through the executive order, I received a temporary license to work as a fully qualified physician, just as I had done in Iraq. At the time, many clinicians were reluctant to go into the state’s nursing homes and test residents and staff members for Covid-19, worried about catching the virus themselves or bringing it home to their families. I don’t shy away from challenges, so I went into nursing homes in New Jersey to do nasal swabs on residents and staff. I was also able to work in Queens, Staten Island, and Brooklyn in New York where, thanks to the governor’s special dispensation, I supervised a team of unlicensed medical professionals — all of whom had trained abroad — to do this job across the region. At the time, there was a growing realization of how deadly Covid-19 was in nursing homes. I and other foreign-trained health professionals helped prevent the number of such deaths from reaching even higher. I am proud of the work we did together. The executive order expired in February 2021, and with it my ability to work as a fully qualified physician. Letting me and other foreign-trained health professionals work at close to the level of our foreign qualifications to help fight a pandemic that has so far killed more than 550,000 Americans and then taking away those licenses makes me feel like we are disposable, to be relied upon during the pandemic and then tossed aside like a used N-95 mask. This morning, as I write this, I’ve already prepared 10 case reports for the attention of the senior pathologist in my department, who will arrive around 9:30 a.m. and sign off on my work. I often discuss cases with the pathologists on the team, and add information they had missed or insights they had not thought of. My colleagues recognize my expertise and trust my word. I appreciate the opportunity they have given me, but I want to work in a way that puts my skills to their full use. I’ve written to President Biden and others seeking changes to the laws on foreign medical licensing, but I have yet to get responses. I have suggested that the U.S. model its approach to foreign-trained medics after the United Kingdom’s system, which allows people like me to work under the supervision of a U.K.-trained doctor for two years before taking a specialist examination. The cause has received some national attention from the New York Times, the New Yorker, NPR, and others. Still, I’m not holding my breath. My family and I are saving money so I can take New Jersey’s exam, which will let me once again work as a licensed pathologist. But I can’t help feeling that it shouldn’t be this hard at a time when experts often sound the alert about the shortage of physicians in the U.S., especially in rural regions and poor parts of urban regions. This country could benefit from treating foreign-trained professionals with the respect they deserve. The issue goes far beyond undervaluing health care workers. I have lost count of the foreign-trained engineers I have met working in Walmart or foreign-trained chemists driving taxis. A friend of mine is a brilliant math teacher from Turkey. But in the U.S., which has a shortage of math teachers, she isn’t able to serve her community with her teaching skills. America can do better to value the talent and credentials of immigrants and refugees. Lubab al-Quraishi is a licensed physician in Iraq who now works as a pathologist’s assistant in New Jersey. Hear al-Quraishi talk more about American medicine on an episode of the “First Opinion Podcast.”
回复 162楼 Simpson2020 的帖子 Doctors shortage issue in USA is pure man made issue.. Simpson2020 发表于 2024-10-18 10:56
美国很缺家庭医，特别是田纳西州，已经可以让外国有经验医生考完版不需要做住院医就可以行医了。这是美国第一个州开始通过这样的法律。 Gov. Bill Lee made history by signing a bill that makes Tennessee the first state in the country to remove redundant medical-residency requirements for top international doctors. By opening a new pathway for doctors trained outside the United States, HB1312 and SB1451 , introduced by state Rep. Sabi Kumar and state Sen. Kerry Roberts, will help Tennessee address its growing physician shortage. the new law removes the unnecessary repetitive training requirement for doctors licensed abroad. https://www.statnews.com/2023/05/18/doctors-trained-outside-us-licensing-tennessee/
只是考个证书，不表示有医院要收啊。人家有大把30岁的候选人，除非你有什么过人之处，不然干嘛挑个快50岁的？
您转了啥
否则很难坚持。
解剖 病理啥的 现在社区大学有点放水的前提下 gpa得a都不是太容易。得b多了就没意义了
而且lz对医学看起来没什么特别的兴趣，只是考虑所谓的好处。这条路根本走不通的。
Paul Kalanithi是你的病人？楼主可以看看这位斯坦福神外医生写的书When Breath Becomes Air
楼主的孩子是女儿？
这个按Dr. John Sarno哲学行医的新泽西医生就是四十岁开始读，然后开一人诊所现在还干着，之前是贝尔实验室工程经理，老头可能干了。
1和2你可以自修啊 不一定要去学校学 3说不准 4 你希望孩子和你一样折腾四十岁转行？
我也有这个想法， 比你还大，已经40+了。我现在边工作边修课，从本科的课修起。 我觉得最后如果不能继续下去也没事儿， 反正我现在学的挺开心的
你们真厉害啊。。 我考完step3都累成狗了。。。我想着住院医比考试要辛苦好几倍我都不想match了。还不如当年不考试直接读护士或pa。唉
建议你咨询一下这个行业的朋友，或者在一些网站，像Reddit ，咨询一下这个行业人和意见。
对普通人很难做到。需要智力，意志力，体力特别强，身体特别好出众的人才能做到。 有个认识的人，她在国内是好学校毕业的医生。因为不喜欢医院的人际关系，读了研究生，开始做科研。出国以后继续做了几年科研，通过了考试，快40的时候开始做住院医。没有想到，最后打垮她的是自己的身体。医院的高强度，以及苛刻的上司搞得她感觉身体和精神要奔溃了，最后放弃了。
这门课我倒是学过，不算难。学医难的是需要动手能力强，还不能怕血，所以我本来最初也想学医来着，实在是晕针晕血干不了这一行。还是法学院好考，投入没有医学院这么大。
赞👍，认识一个在警察局做码工的，因为喜欢医学，每天看医学书。
赞! 其实人到中年上自己喜欢的学是很有兴趣的，并没觉得多累. You only live once, 想做什么赶紧去做，人生永远是后悔没做的事比后悔做过的事要多。
如果身体好有钱有人帮忙带娃，想读就读吧，住院医会比较幸苦需要熬夜。相对而言读牙科轻松些。最后一条还得看孩子感不感兴趣啊
别这样想，你考完了更好，有身份不想做住院医也可以考虑去田纳西,不需要做住院医了如果原来是外国医生。 我帮你找个好消息，新法刚开始不久哦！ Gov. Bill Lee made history by signing a bill that makes Tennessee the first state in the country to remove redundant medical-residency requirements for top international doctors. By opening a new pathway for doctors trained outside the United States, HB1312 and SB1451 , introduced by state Rep. Sabi Kumar and state Sen. Kerry Roberts, will help Tennessee address its growing physician shortage. the new law removes the unnecessary repetitive training requirement for doctors licensed abroad. https://www.statnews.com/2023/05/18/doctors-trained-outside-us-licensing-tennessee/
朋友的娃也是，刚match好residency就诊断出癌
厉害👍！
1. Timeline
• Undergraduate Degree: 4 years (if not already completed or if prerequisites are missing) • Medical School: 4 years • Residency: 3-7 years, depending on the specialty
You could potentially begin practicing medicine in your early 50s. Many doctors continue practicing well into their 60s and beyond, so you’d still have a meaningful career span.
2. Prerequisites and Exams
• If your background isn’t in science, you may need to take prerequisite courses (e.g., biology, chemistry). • You’ll need to pass the MCAT (Medical College Admission Test) to apply for medical school.
3. Medical School Admission Considerations
• Some schools value non-traditional students who bring life experience and diverse perspectives. • Admissions committees often look for candidates with strong motivation, experience (like shadowing doctors), and good academic performance.
4. Challenges and Trade-offs
• Family and Financial Impact: Medical school is expensive, and balancing it with personal obligations can be demanding. • Residency Workload: Residency involves long, intensive hours, which can be physically taxing, though many people successfully manage it even in their 40s or 50s.
5. Support and Opportunities
• Some schools have programs specifically designed for older or second-career students. • Scholarships and grants might be available, and some healthcare systems offer tuition assistance if you work for them post-graduation.
Ultimately, becoming a doctor at 40 is a realistic and achievable goal if you are passionate and prepared for the challenges ahead.
最难的是医学院录取率很低，就算上面说的楼主所有的都完成了，楼主可以去查一下医学院录取学生的年龄在40以上的有几个？就算奇迹出现，楼主被医学院录取读完了，能match上residency 吗？等楼主熬出来都50多了，还是个刚从业的医生。
太赞了
加油！
总结得太好了！
另外，楼主想得已经很清楚了，医生就是可以干得更长
我的朋友是resident时候查出淋巴癌 化疗中间歇了两年 然后继续surgical rresidency 现在已经是心外的attending了。
我孩子学校里有个白人妈妈就是中途转行学医，50岁时开始真正行医，做的家庭医生，可惜她才刚刚干了1，2年就确诊了白血病，从此再也无法工作，幸好她老公一个人可以养家，现在就是在孩子学校做点义工.
如果楼主40在家闲着也是闲着没事干，其实不妨从第一步预修课开始试一试，如果真的力不从心那考完几门课可能也就放弃了， 但也算尝试过了，以后想起来也不会后悔。就像以前认识到一位大姐，考完legal assistant考Paralegal, 最后想考JD当律师，卡在了LSAT这一步，考完放弃了，就一直做paralegal道退休了。
所以不用给楼主泼冷水，楼主也不用上来问，就从头开始准备吧，申请一次试试，没有录取的话也就算了，努力过了无怨无悔，如果真能录取并且真心喜欢，那一定可以走下去谁也拦不住。
我赞成。楼主，你不要犹豫。什么时候都不晚的。 你现在就像站在水面上，看不见水底的东西。 而且，每个人的基础和悟性不一样，别人不能给你更好的建议。 我只能说，凭我的经历，你去做吧。 否则，当你老了离开这个世界的时候，会有遗憾。
生命就是个过程，每个人的体验不一样。 你按照自己的内心去做。 现实，只要有内心的坚持和坚强，就不会轻易击垮你。
"我只能说，凭我的经历，你去做吧。"
欢迎这位层主说出自己的故事.像耗子那样美国医生都要害朕的就算了.
您现在的年龄是多大呢？
Foreign-Trained Doctors Like Me Were Asked to Help Fight Covid-19 NEWS Apr 9 Written By Lubab al-Quraishi This piece was originally published by STAT News.
When people ask if they should call me “doctor,” I’ve always answered, “Please, call me Lubab.”
Titles don’t matter to me. But what does matter to me is for America to acknowledge my medical training and the skills I honed as a physician in Iraq and to let me work here as a doctor, especially after having toiled on the frontlines of Covid-19 care alongside thousands of other foreign-trained health professionals: physicians, nurses, medical assistants, and others.
We helped saved countless lives.
After graduating ninth in my class of 300 at Baghdad College of Medicine, I worked as a licensed pathologist for a decade in Iraq’s capital city. My family and I had to flee when death squads tried to kill us. At the time, I didn’t know where we would end up. When we arrived in the U.S. in 2014, I thought that it wouldn’t take long for me to qualify to work as a physician.
I was wrong. American laws make it difficult for foreign physicians to apply for licenses to practice medicine. The high cost makes it even harder.
So I ended up working the drive-thru at a Popeyes to make ends meet. We didn’t have thousands of dollars to spare for any reason, even to secure my future as a doctor. Eventually, I was lucky to find work as a pathologist’s assistant in New Jersey.
There’s a big difference between being a licensed pathologist and being a pathologist’s assistant. When a patient has surgery for cancer, the tissue the surgeon removes is sent to the pathology department. A pathologist’s assistant removes malignant tissue from the specimen and prepares it for the pathologist to analyze under the microscope and make a diagnosis about the specimen. In Baghdad, I was the one making the diagnosis. In New Jersey, I’m just the preparer.
I’m not alone living in this kind of professional limbo. A recent study from the Migration Policy Institute estimates that 263,000 immigrants and refugees have educations in health-related fields from abroad, but are either unemployed or underemployed in low-paying jobs here, an unfortunate waste of their brains. They aren’t able to work at the level of their training here because the U.S. does not make it easy for them to pass the licensing exams. I’ve come to realize that in America, medical licensing is a business. It’s all about money.
In April 2020, as Covid-19 was surging across the U.S., Phil Murphy, the governor of New Jersey, issued an executive order that gave some foreign-trained health care workers temporary licenses, which made it possible for them to help fight Covid-19. Through the executive order, I received a temporary license to work as a fully qualified physician, just as I had done in Iraq.
At the time, many clinicians were reluctant to go into the state’s nursing homes and test residents and staff members for Covid-19, worried about catching the virus themselves or bringing it home to their families. I don’t shy away from challenges, so I went into nursing homes in New Jersey to do nasal swabs on residents and staff. I was also able to work in Queens, Staten Island, and Brooklyn in New York where, thanks to the governor’s special dispensation, I supervised a team of unlicensed medical professionals — all of whom had trained abroad — to do this job across the region.
At the time, there was a growing realization of how deadly Covid-19 was in nursing homes. I and other foreign-trained health professionals helped prevent the number of such deaths from reaching even higher. I am proud of the work we did together.
The executive order expired in February 2021, and with it my ability to work as a fully qualified physician.
Letting me and other foreign-trained health professionals work at close to the level of our foreign qualifications to help fight a pandemic that has so far killed more than 550,000 Americans and then taking away those licenses makes me feel like we are disposable, to be relied upon during the pandemic and then tossed aside like a used N-95 mask.
This morning, as I write this, I’ve already prepared 10 case reports for the attention of the senior pathologist in my department, who will arrive around 9:30 a.m. and sign off on my work. I often discuss cases with the pathologists on the team, and add information they had missed or insights they had not thought of. My colleagues recognize my expertise and trust my word.
I appreciate the opportunity they have given me, but I want to work in a way that puts my skills to their full use. I’ve written to President Biden and others seeking changes to the laws on foreign medical licensing, but I have yet to get responses. I have suggested that the U.S. model its approach to foreign-trained medics after the United Kingdom’s system, which allows people like me to work under the supervision of a U.K.-trained doctor for two years before taking a specialist examination. The cause has received some national attention from the New York Times, the New Yorker, NPR, and others. Still, I’m not holding my breath.
My family and I are saving money so I can take New Jersey’s exam, which will let me once again work as a licensed pathologist. But I can’t help feeling that it shouldn’t be this hard at a time when experts often sound the alert about the shortage of physicians in the U.S., especially in rural regions and poor parts of urban regions.
This country could benefit from treating foreign-trained professionals with the respect they deserve. The issue goes far beyond undervaluing health care workers. I have lost count of the foreign-trained engineers I have met working in Walmart or foreign-trained chemists driving taxis. A friend of mine is a brilliant math teacher from Turkey. But in the U.S., which has a shortage of math teachers, she isn’t able to serve her community with her teaching skills.
America can do better to value the talent and credentials of immigrants and refugees.
Lubab al-Quraishi is a licensed physician in Iraq who now works as a pathologist’s assistant in New Jersey.
Hear al-Quraishi talk more about American medicine on an episode of the “First Opinion Podcast.”
Doctor shortage issue in USA is man made issue..
美国很缺家庭医，特别是田纳西州，已经可以让外国有经验医生考完版不需要做住院医就可以行医了。这是美国第一个州开始通过这样的法律。 Gov. Bill Lee made history by signing a bill that makes Tennessee the first state in the country to remove redundant medical-residency requirements for top international doctors. By opening a new pathway for doctors trained outside the United States, HB1312 and SB1451 , introduced by state Rep. Sabi Kumar and state Sen. Kerry Roberts, will help Tennessee address its growing physician shortage. the new law removes the unnecessary repetitive training requirement for doctors licensed abroad. https://www.statnews.com/2023/05/18/doctors-trained-outside-us-licensing-tennessee/
美国各行各业都是收割韭菜，韭菜储备越多， 越好收割..
单单是想学点医学知识,同时多赚钱,医疗相关的领域里可以满足这个要求的专业太多了.楼主说一下薪资期望值吧.