hylk1023 发表于 2024-07-30 16:48 看看中国外交部那些发言人，不是背稿子就是文不对题的胡说，要么干脆撒泼打滚。估计这边高中随便一个辩论队，都比他们会讲。不相信那么大的一个国家，找不到几个说话反应快，有逻辑的。 中国人实干可能还行，讲话发言辩论这些真是long way to go。
这个我搞混了，不过的确只是那个旅馆食物出问题，其他附近旅馆的选手都没有任何问题。而且那时候没有任何世界性的比赛。血液中tmz的含量上下浮动也不符合微量性质用药。 − There were 23 swimmers, and 28 positive samples. All tested positive at the same time for TMZ at consistently very low levels (pg or low ng/mL range). − The swimmers were from different regions of China, with different coaches and from different swimming clubs. − The swimmers were in the same place at the same time when the positive samples arose. − A number of these swimmers were tested on multiple occasions during the swim meet. Some of them were tested on two or even three occasions on consecutive days. For several swimmers, the results varied from negative to positive within a few hours, which is not compatible with a doping scenario of deliberate ingestion nor with micro-dosing. − Some of the competing swimmers stayed in at least one other hotel. Three of those athletes were tested and none tested positive for TMZ. • Between January and June 2021 there were no international swimming competitions scheduled. Therefore, these athletes did not participate in any such competitions during that time period.
睿 发表于 2024-07-30 17:29 这个我搞混了，不过的确只是那个旅馆食物出问题，其他附近旅馆的选手都没有任何问题。而且那时候没有任何世界性的比赛。血液中tmz的含量上下浮动也不符合微量性质用药。 − There were 23 swimmers, and 28 positive samples. All tested positive at the same time for TMZ at consistently very low levels (pg or low ng/mL range). − The swimmers were from different regions of China, with different coaches and from different swimming clubs. − The swimmers were in the same place at the same time when the positive samples arose. − A number of these swimmers were tested on multiple occasions during the swim meet. Some of them were tested on two or even three occasions on consecutive days. For several swimmers, the results varied from negative to positive within a few hours, which is not compatible with a doping scenario of deliberate ingestion nor with micro-dosing. − Some of the competing swimmers stayed in at least one other hotel. Three of those athletes were tested and none tested positive for TMZ. • Between January and June 2021 there were no international swimming competitions scheduled. Therefore, these athletes did not participate in any such competitions during that time period.
我明白，我的意思就是目前WADA这个报告看上去并不能服众，所以才闹的沸沸扬扬。因为WADA后来又派了检查员独立调查，如果能给出比如说能不能找到污染的源头，负责人是谁。root cause 是啥，以后如何避免此类事件发生。这样可能比较服众。
China, Citing Tainted Burgers, Cleared Swimmers in a New Doping Dispute Two Chinese athletes, one of whom was named to the Olympic team in Paris, tested positive in 2022 for a banned steroid. China blamed contaminated food, as it had after previous positive tests. By Tariq Panja and Michael S. Schmidt Tariq Panja, who reported from Paris, and Michael S. Schmidt, who reported from New York, have both reported extensively about doping in sports. July 30, 2024 Updated 7:43 a.m. ET Two elite Chinese swimmers, including one named to her country’s team in the Paris Olympics, tested positive in 2022 for a banned drug but were secretly cleared of doping late last year by Chinese authorities, according to two people with direct knowledge of the matter. After a lengthy investigation into the previously undisclosed incident, the Chinese authorities were unable to determine exactly how the swimmers ingested the drug, a powerful anabolic steroid, but concluded that they had most likely done so unwittingly when they ate hamburgers at a restaurant in Beijing. The Chinese emphasized in their explanation to global antidoping regulators that only trace amounts of the steroid had been detected and said that those levels were consistent with contamination, not doping. The decision to clear the swimmers was at least the third time in recent years that China has blamed contaminated food for positive tests by top swimmers, an explanation that has drawn skepticism from many antidoping experts. Critics see the incident as the latest in a pattern of China’s looking the other way when confronted with positive tests in its swimming program, and as a failure by global antidoping agencies to ensure a level playing field for elite athletes. Investigators and at least one expert for the World Anti-Doping Agency, known as WADA, were not convinced of the contamination explanation in the most recent case, one of the people with knowledge of the matter said. But the agency — which is supposed to serve as a backstop when a country’s own antidoping authorities fail to properly police its athletes — chose not to appeal China’s decision not to impose bans on the swimmers. Another antidoping agency, the International Testing Agency, which was created in the wake of the Russian doping scandal that rocked Olympic sports nearly a decade ago, also reviewed the case. At least one I.T.A. official believed that swimming’s global governing body should appeal the Chinese decision to clear the athletes, the people with knowledge of the case said. But the swimming organization, known as World Aquatics, did not do so. The two people with direct knowledge of the positive tests spoke on the condition of anonymity because details about the tests are supposed to remain secret. They said they decided to disclose the information because they believe that the tests were covered up and that the world should know about them at a time when global antidoping efforts are coming under intensified scrutiny. One of the swimmers, Tang Muhan, was a member of a freestyle relay team that won gold and set a world record at the last Summer Olympics, just edging the U.S. and Australia. She has been named by state media as a member of this year’s Olympic team and is a possible member of the Chinese 4x200 meter relay team, which on Thursday will try to win a second straight gold medal in the event. In response to questions from The New York Times, China’s antidoping authority, known as Chinada, did not address the newly disclosed case. However, Chinada said that it “has always maintained a scientific, rigorous and objective attitude, adhered to a firm stance of ‘zero tolerance’ for doping, and has always carried out its antidoping work in strict accordance” with global rules. The World Anti-Doping Agency did not dispute the facts of the case when asked for comment by The Times. The agency said it had “reviewed the full case file with considerable skepticism and all due diligence. In the end, there was no evidence to challenge the contamination scenario presented by the athletes and Chinada.” In a second statement, on Tuesday morning, it said, “WADA is generally concerned about the number of cases that have been closed without sanction when it is not possible to challenge the contamination theory.” The International Testing Agency said that its role with World Aquatics did not extend to challenging conclusions by national antidoping agencies and that it “did not advise World Aquatics to appeal these decisions” by the Chinese antidoping agency. World Aquatics said it “would not be appropriate to comment” on the case in detail, but added that “it never received any recommendation from the I.T.A. to appeal the case.” The latest incident is likely to fuel further debate over whether the Chinese authorities and their global counterparts are failing to adequately address violations. At the same time, the incident also could lead to calls for flexibility in how the rules are enforced to account for situations in which testing — ever improving with advancing technology — is picking up banned substances that are being ingested accidentally. Chinese swimmers competing in Paris have vehemently denied doping, and WADA noted in its statement on Tuesday that there had been several cases closed as so-called no-fault violations “with sometimes unusual methods of contamination.” In particular, it said, “there have been several cases in the United States in the past few months where highly intricate contamination scenarios were accepted.” The disclosure of these positive tests comes three months after The Times reported that 23 Chinese swimmers tested positive for a banned drug before the Tokyo Olympics in 2021. In that case, China also blamed food contamination and cited the low levels of the drug detected in the swimmers.
Top Chinese Swimmers Tested Positive for Banned Drug, Then Won Olympic Gold The case, involving multiple swimmers who seven months later won medals at the 2021 Games, prompted accusations of a cover-up and concerns over why antidoping regulators chose not to intervene. April 20, 2024 The World Anti-Doping Agency also declined to act in that case, even though two of the agency’s top scientists said they had difficulty believing China’s claim that the swimmers had been unwittingly contaminated. The decision to clear those swimmers left them free to compete at the Tokyo Games. At that meet, Chinese swimmers who tested positive months earlier won medals in five events, including three golds. Eleven of those swimmers are again on the Chinese team in Paris. The fallout from the 23 positive tests has continued to hang over the world of competitive swimming and has led athletes from the U.S. and other countries to voice doubts about whether their sport is clean. Under the code that governs Olympic sports, athletes are responsible for what is in their bodies. For many drugs, athletes are considered to have tested positive — and face up to four-year bans — even if they have small traces of the substance in their systems. Athletes can escape punishment only if they can clear the high bar of showing exactly how they ingested the drug unwittingly through circumstances outside their control, like tainted food. China has repeatedly invoked that explanation despite being unable to prove the source of any contamination. Use of the drug detected in the 2022 tests — metandienone, an anabolic steroid — carries the harshest penalties, including a four-year ban. The drug is often referred to as Dianabol or D-Bol and is popular among swimmers and sprinters seeking an edge because of how it helps build lean muscle. There is a history of some positive tests for banned drugs being linked back to food contamination, usually through the use of steroids and similar substances given to beef cattle to bulk them up. But antidoping authorities and experts said that they could not think of another case where a positive test for metandienone was confirmed to have come from food contamination. Antidoping authorities do not need to prove that banned substances are used intentionally to impose sanctions. Last year, a Chinese distance runner was suspended from competition after a positive result for metandienone, despite having claimed that she had ingested the substance unwittingly when she accidentally drank from a training partner’s water bottle. As the Paris Games opened on Friday, the International Testing Agency suspended a member of Iraq’s Olympic judo team from the competition after he tested positive for metandienone and another anabolic steroid. The Justice Department and F.B.I. are conducting a criminal investigation into how the results from the 23 positive tests before the Tokyo Olympics were handled, a fact that has deeply unnerved International Olympic Committee and WADA officials. Last week, the I.O.C. imposed last-minute conditions on Utah and the U.S. Olympic Committee, effectively forcing them to sign an amended contract to award Salt Lake City the 2034 Winter Olympics. The amendments allow the I.O.C. to move the 2034 Games to another city, if the U.S. is seen by the I.O.C. as undermining the global system built around WADA. The two swimmers in the latest case, Ms. Tang and He Junyi, were training in 2022 at a national team facility in Beijing. The Chinese told WADA that the two of them went out together for a day in early October, stopping at a restaurant for Coke, hamburgers and fries. Days later, they were subjected to routine drug testing, which came back positive when the results were reported the following month. Ms. Tang, 20, had not previously been publicly tied to a positive test. Two other members of the Chinese relay team that won gold in the last Olympics were among the 23 swimmers who had tested positive for a banned substance months before the Tokyo Games but were never sanctioned. Mr. He is not a member of this year’s Olympic team. But his positive test stood out for another reason: He was also among the 23 swimmers who tested positive in 2021 for a banned substance — a prescription heart medication, trimetazidine, known as TMZ, that can increase stamina and endurance and hasten recovery times. This would mean that in the span of less than two years Mr. He had twice accidentally consumed food tainted with powerful performance-enhancing drugs. After the positive tests in 2022, Chinese authorities initially issued provisional suspensions against the two swimmers as the WADA code requires, steps not taken in the earlier case of the 23 swimmers who had tested positive. But China does not ever appear to have publicly disclosed its finding of food contamination in either case, as required under WADA rules. Ms. Tang contested the action, setting off a hearing process. But the Chinese authorities paused that process and began a wide-ranging investigation that brought in the state’s security services. The investigation focused on the possibility that the swimmers had eaten hamburgers made with beef from cattle that had been fed anabolic steroids. The inquiry included testing meat samples across the country, tracking beef imports to China from Australia and even conducting studies in which individuals were given contaminated meat and then tested to see what level of the banned substance was detected. Ultimately, the investigation was unable to pinpoint the source of any potentially tainted meat. But last December, the Chinese decided that the swimmers would be cleared of wrongdoing. Still, while it took place, the swimmers were barred from races. According to data on the World Aquatics website, Mr. He has not competed at major national or international meets since the positive tests were returned to Chinese authorities in November 2022. Ms. Tang appeared to have been absent from competition for about a year, before resurfacing last December at the Chinese nationals and then being named to the Olympic team. On Tuesday, WADA confirmed that their absences were because they had been suspended. Matthew Cullen and Olivia Wang contributed reporting. Tariq Panja is a global sports correspondent, focusing on stories where money, geopolitics and crime intersect with the sports world. More about Tariq Panja Michael S. Schmidt is an investigative reporter for The Times covering Washington. His work focuses on tracking and explaining high-profile federal investigations. More about Michael S. Schmidt
China, Citing Tainted Burgers, Cleared Swimmers in a New Doping Dispute Two Chinese athletes, one of whom was named to the Olympic team in Paris, tested positive in 2022 for a banned steroid. China blamed contaminated food, as it had after previous positive tests. By Tariq Panja and Michael S. Schmidt Tariq Panja, who reported from Paris, and Michael S. Schmidt, who reported from New York, have both reported extensively about doping in sports. July 30, 2024 Updated 7:43 a.m. ET Two elite Chinese swimmers, including one named to her country’s team in the Paris Olympics, tested positive in 2022 for a banned drug but were secretly cleared of doping late last year by Chinese authorities, according to two people with direct knowledge of the matter. After a lengthy investigation into the previously undisclosed incident, the Chinese authorities were unable to determine exactly how the swimmers ingested the drug, a powerful anabolic steroid, but concluded that they had most likely done so unwittingly when they ate hamburgers at a restaurant in Beijing. The Chinese emphasized in their explanation to global antidoping regulators that only trace amounts of the steroid had been detected and said that those levels were consistent with contamination, not doping. The decision to clear the swimmers was at least the third time in recent years that China has blamed contaminated food for positive tests by top swimmers, an explanation that has drawn skepticism from many antidoping experts. Critics see the incident as the latest in a pattern of China’s looking the other way when confronted with positive tests in its swimming program, and as a failure by global antidoping agencies to ensure a level playing field for elite athletes. Investigators and at least one expert for the World Anti-Doping Agency, known as WADA, were not convinced of the contamination explanation in the most recent case, one of the people with knowledge of the matter said. But the agency — which is supposed to serve as a backstop when a country’s own antidoping authorities fail to properly police its athletes — chose not to appeal China’s decision not to impose bans on the swimmers. Another antidoping agency, the International Testing Agency, which was created in the wake of the Russian doping scandal that rocked Olympic sports nearly a decade ago, also reviewed the case. At least one I.T.A. official believed that swimming’s global governing body should appeal the Chinese decision to clear the athletes, the people with knowledge of the case said. But the swimming organization, known as World Aquatics, did not do so. The two people with direct knowledge of the positive tests spoke on the condition of anonymity because details about the tests are supposed to remain secret. They said they decided to disclose the information because they believe that the tests were covered up and that the world should know about them at a time when global antidoping efforts are coming under intensified scrutiny. One of the swimmers, Tang Muhan, was a member of a freestyle relay team that won gold and set a world record at the last Summer Olympics, just edging the U.S. and Australia. She has been named by state media as a member of this year’s Olympic team and is a possible member of the Chinese 4x200 meter relay team, which on Thursday will try to win a second straight gold medal in the event. In response to questions from The New York Times, China’s antidoping authority, known as Chinada, did not address the newly disclosed case. However, Chinada said that it “has always maintained a scientific, rigorous and objective attitude, adhered to a firm stance of ‘zero tolerance’ for doping, and has always carried out its antidoping work in strict accordance” with global rules. The World Anti-Doping Agency did not dispute the facts of the case when asked for comment by The Times. The agency said it had “reviewed the full case file with considerable skepticism and all due diligence. In the end, there was no evidence to challenge the contamination scenario presented by the athletes and Chinada.” In a second statement, on Tuesday morning, it said, “WADA is generally concerned about the number of cases that have been closed without sanction when it is not possible to challenge the contamination theory.” The International Testing Agency said that its role with World Aquatics did not extend to challenging conclusions by national antidoping agencies and that it “did not advise World Aquatics to appeal these decisions” by the Chinese antidoping agency. World Aquatics said it “would not be appropriate to comment” on the case in detail, but added that “it never received any recommendation from the I.T.A. to appeal the case.” The latest incident is likely to fuel further debate over whether the Chinese authorities and their global counterparts are failing to adequately address violations. At the same time, the incident also could lead to calls for flexibility in how the rules are enforced to account for situations in which testing — ever improving with advancing technology — is picking up banned substances that are being ingested accidentally. Chinese swimmers competing in Paris have vehemently denied doping, and WADA noted in its statement on Tuesday that there had been several cases closed as so-called no-fault violations “with sometimes unusual methods of contamination.” In particular, it said, “there have been several cases in the United States in the past few months where highly intricate contamination scenarios were accepted.” The disclosure of these positive tests comes three months after The Times reported that 23 Chinese swimmers tested positive for a banned drug before the Tokyo Olympics in 2021. In that case, China also blamed food contamination and cited the low levels of the drug detected in the swimmers.
Top Chinese Swimmers Tested Positive for Banned Drug, Then Won Olympic Gold The case, involving multiple swimmers who seven months later won medals at the 2021 Games, prompted accusations of a cover-up and concerns over why antidoping regulators chose not to intervene. April 20, 2024 The World Anti-Doping Agency also declined to act in that case, even though two of the agency’s top scientists said they had difficulty believing China’s claim that the swimmers had been unwittingly contaminated. The decision to clear those swimmers left them free to compete at the Tokyo Games. At that meet, Chinese swimmers who tested positive months earlier won medals in five events, including three golds. Eleven of those swimmers are again on the Chinese team in Paris. The fallout from the 23 positive tests has continued to hang over the world of competitive swimming and has led athletes from the U.S. and other countries to voice doubts about whether their sport is clean. Under the code that governs Olympic sports, athletes are responsible for what is in their bodies. For many drugs, athletes are considered to have tested positive — and face up to four-year bans — even if they have small traces of the substance in their systems. Athletes can escape punishment only if they can clear the high bar of showing exactly how they ingested the drug unwittingly through circumstances outside their control, like tainted food. China has repeatedly invoked that explanation despite being unable to prove the source of any contamination. Use of the drug detected in the 2022 tests — metandienone, an anabolic steroid — carries the harshest penalties, including a four-year ban. The drug is often referred to as Dianabol or D-Bol and is popular among swimmers and sprinters seeking an edge because of how it helps build lean muscle. There is a history of some positive tests for banned drugs being linked back to food contamination, usually through the use of steroids and similar substances given to beef cattle to bulk them up. But antidoping authorities and experts said that they could not think of another case where a positive test for metandienone was confirmed to have come from food contamination. Antidoping authorities do not need to prove that banned substances are used intentionally to impose sanctions. Last year, a Chinese distance runner was suspended from competition after a positive result for metandienone, despite having claimed that she had ingested the substance unwittingly when she accidentally drank from a training partner’s water bottle. As the Paris Games opened on Friday, the International Testing Agency suspended a member of Iraq’s Olympic judo team from the competition after he tested positive for metandienone and another anabolic steroid. The Justice Department and F.B.I. are conducting a criminal investigation into how the results from the 23 positive tests before the Tokyo Olympics were handled, a fact that has deeply unnerved International Olympic Committee and WADA officials. Last week, the I.O.C. imposed last-minute conditions on Utah and the U.S. Olympic Committee, effectively forcing them to sign an amended contract to award Salt Lake City the 2034 Winter Olympics. The amendments allow the I.O.C. to move the 2034 Games to another city, if the U.S. is seen by the I.O.C. as undermining the global system built around WADA. The two swimmers in the latest case, Ms. Tang and He Junyi, were training in 2022 at a national team facility in Beijing. The Chinese told WADA that the two of them went out together for a day in early October, stopping at a restaurant for Coke, hamburgers and fries. Days later, they were subjected to routine drug testing, which came back positive when the results were reported the following month. Ms. Tang, 20, had not previously been publicly tied to a positive test. Two other members of the Chinese relay team that won gold in the last Olympics were among the 23 swimmers who had tested positive for a banned substance months before the Tokyo Games but were never sanctioned. Mr. He is not a member of this year’s Olympic team. But his positive test stood out for another reason: He was also among the 23 swimmers who tested positive in 2021 for a banned substance — a prescription heart medication, trimetazidine, known as TMZ, that can increase stamina and endurance and hasten recovery times. This would mean that in the span of less than two years Mr. He had twice accidentally consumed food tainted with powerful performance-enhancing drugs. After the positive tests in 2022, Chinese authorities initially issued provisional suspensions against the two swimmers as the WADA code requires, steps not taken in the earlier case of the 23 swimmers who had tested positive. But China does not ever appear to have publicly disclosed its finding of food contamination in either case, as required under WADA rules. Ms. Tang contested the action, setting off a hearing process. But the Chinese authorities paused that process and began a wide-ranging investigation that brought in the state’s security services. The investigation focused on the possibility that the swimmers had eaten hamburgers made with beef from cattle that had been fed anabolic steroids. The inquiry included testing meat samples across the country, tracking beef imports to China from Australia and even conducting studies in which individuals were given contaminated meat and then tested to see what level of the banned substance was detected. Ultimately, the investigation was unable to pinpoint the source of any potentially tainted meat. But last December, the Chinese decided that the swimmers would be cleared of wrongdoing. Still, while it took place, the swimmers were barred from races. According to data on the World Aquatics website, Mr. He has not competed at major national or international meets since the positive tests were returned to Chinese authorities in November 2022. Ms. Tang appeared to have been absent from competition for about a year, before resurfacing last December at the Chinese nationals and then being named to the Olympic team. On Tuesday, WADA confirmed that their absences were because they had been suspended. Matthew Cullen and Olivia Wang contributed reporting. Tariq Panja is a global sports correspondent, focusing on stories where money, geopolitics and crime intersect with the sports world. More about Tariq Panja Michael S. Schmidt is an investigative reporter for The Times covering Washington. His work focuses on tracking and explaining high-profile federal investigations. More about Michael S. Schmidt tj9981 发表于 2024-07-30 18:31
如果你认为对方是蓄意抹黑 这样处理实在是太示弱了 参照美国的政治就知道该怎么处理了
再说了 美国队内部这种被查出来是阳性 后来给了解释就算了的事情也有啊 明明我们也可以做文章的
之前孙杨倒是会反击 但是也是很childish 说对方游得再快一点 就可以喝上他的洗脚水了
还是带着清者自清 把精力放到比赛这样的思维
我不是说游泳队一定是清白的 但是如果是清白的 目前的处理真是太差了 建议主管多学学美国政治
现在的问题就是心态和训练都被影响了 我觉得领导绝对应该处理的 至少应该接受采访说这些都是毫无证据的蓄意抹黑 然后列举他们的例子
至于那么多次药检 当然要抗议了 因为已经影响正常训练了 而且是不公平对待 wada要给充足的理由才行
现在感觉像是陷入了自证陷阱
要说抹黑 谁收到的抹黑能比Trump多(绝对不是Trump支持者) 你看总统辩论主持人问Trump 你是不是对女性说了很多不尊敬的话 他说 我没有那么多时间搞政治正确 这些回击都给他赢得了很多支持
谁不被抹黑呢 关键是怎么处理 我觉得他们的处理简直太软弱了 现在已经恶性循环了 只要一出成绩 西方媒体就说嗑药了
纽约时报的文章其实写的蛮有水平的
再一对比国内媒体反击的文章 真是非常干巴巴
反复说队员要放好心态 他们是人 不是神 人被这样干扰就是会影响心态啊
领导们这时候当然要挺身而出defend自己的队伍啊
同意。孙扬一人对抗一集团的强大黑手，摆明了就是故意整你，孙扬也没有后援。但依然敢说敢当，牛！
我也不理解，当时从上到下的舆论为什么是那样。体制上没有支持，舆论上也都在黑他。据说孙杨和国家队关系很差，可能是原因之一吧。
中国大陆的教育问题，中国领导对西方政治化媒体的运用根本无知的问题，等等，总之公关处理得太差，憋屈。要是这给阿三遇到了，那会是截然不同的操演。中国的体制太死，每个人都给管得“胆小怕事”，凡事最大领导不发话，下面的人唯恐做错受重罚，所以”多一事不如少一事“。
辩证地看问题，中国的成功之处源于体制和传统文化，中国的黯然之处也同样源自于此。海外华人干着急也没用，一切天意！
这次中国是完全遵照程序上报，也是wada认可的。是美国觉得wada和中国勾兑 开始闹。泳协不吭气儿，我觉得主要是不想在国内渲染这个事情。东奥前药检事件国内有报道么？并且这次美国闹是针对wada，并不是直接针对中国，泳协不反击也正常。现在wada把美国压下去是最好的，就像当年把中国压下去一样。至于国外观众，或是外国运动员的manner，那真控制不了，中国说的越多越是招黑，嘘声就更大，对运动员的压力只能更多。
食物污染，到底是什么食物，处方药成分怎么混入的，游泳队的管理者应该出面澄清而不是当鸵鸟。
剂量低是个很蹩脚的回应，让人感觉低剂量的药一直在控制着集体服用。
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中国的大人从来不保护自己人（孩子），吃孩子的带来的荣誉好吃，但孩子有麻烦那是孩子的事。甚至委屈孩子，只要自己没麻烦。甚至为了自己安全，打自己的孩子让别人高兴。 天天讲忠，讲孝的文化，有权利的人包括父母对孩子，实质是极度的怂加对自己人极度的剥削自私和冷漠。
说得真好！上头不发言下面不干事。急也没用。
自己舆论不开放，接受外媒采访又要队里批，这和北朝鲜有什么区别，要别人相信你很难。
他的那个表现，WADA肯放过他的话，整个世界都会觉得WADA有鬼
全世界运动员有疾病的都可以向WADA申请某些药物豁免，你不申请或者拿不到，跟美国有什么屁的关系。WADA又不是美国人开的，上次东京奥运会23个中国运动员阳性的事情就是WADA隐瞒了3年，直到今年上半年被纽约时报和德国媒体爆出，美国对WADA的不透明做法非常不满。
中国游泳队哮喘不要太多。傅园慧啊啥的。
不要被简中网络的假消息左右啦
30多人的中国游泳队，在巴黎10天不到，一共检测了200多次，平均每天每人测一次。哪里多了？
再说，中国游泳队2021年东京奥运会前23人被查出兴奋剂阳性，WADA暗箱操作，压住不报，直到今年爆出来，这23人里面有11人仍旧在巴黎参赛，不管事情真相，阳性这个事情也是Fact的一部分。
剖腹自证清白，证明自己没吃两碗粉，这么做是没用的。。
需要的是让别人证明他们没吃两碗粉
不处理只有一个原因，就是“不可说”。如果真的有solid reason，战狼早就跳脚了。孙杨在队医授意下把试管给砸了，有因就有果，挺fair
同感。 现在就这点放在外面的信息， 全对中国游泳队不利。 食品污染的说法有点太牵强了。
这帖子说的全是推测。所谓欲加之罪，莫须有啊。就是一个妄人。
自己不看事实，了解一部分就散步谣言。这个事情早就捋清了，游泳协会和反药物协会都没有任何问题，以下是事实原因：
1。全国各个省的游泳员去集训，以前定点检查都没有查出有任何问题，而在集训处所有人都查出有低剂量的禁药。 2。这个检查是中方自己做的，不是国外机构做定点检查。 3。这个禁药在猪肉的廋肉精里有。 4。低剂量都没有达到禁药规定所需要的计量。
所以发现这个情况，然后及时找到问题根源就可以了。所以专业的人员和机构都知道这个会不小心发生，这个事件根本达不到可以改变运动员的能力。
即使是这样，而且还是很多年前的一件事，奥运前西方媒体不厌其烦的拿出来说就是故意抹黑，因为根本起不了任何其他作用。所以嘴在别人身上，怎么说根本管不了。
以孙杨的运动成就（14枚自由泳个人金牌史上独一份儿，连续横扫3届奥运，5届世锦赛），如果他来自任何一个白人国家，早就被捧到GOAT的位置，仅次于菲尔普斯，甚至可能并驾齐驱的地位。毕竟自由泳的地位高于菲尔普斯主攻的蝶泳
但是很不幸，他来自中国。所以不仅他的成就无人知晓，他的体坛地位也被一再泼污水。他成绩越好，就越被白人集体霸凌。而他的同胞甚至扭头加入了污蔑曲解他的行列
这不就是美国华人在美国的缩影么？你做出10倍的成绩，credit也还是白人的，锅还是你来背。
我之前就特别不理解华人上跟着骂孙杨的是什么人。现在也只能希望能多几个人醒悟过来：这就是种族矛盾。没有别的理由，就是针对你的肤色。
说到底还是领导怂，看看这个版上体育贴就知道有多少鸵鸟爹妈了。
东方文明还是修炼内功，足够强大了，别人再来惹，就直接打脸没有废话。
这就是现在西方为啥怕中国的原因。中国现在就是这么玩的。
You are always a follower without your own brain.
何止游泳队一家。。
在舆论宣传和反击方面和人家比差的远了。。。
显然现在中国已经在WADA里有了一定的话语权，所以美国不满了啊。。。
啊 美国破防了啊 那得再加把劲继续争
波尔特这个是国际田联力保的造神明星，检查就是走过场。美国那么些短跑天才吃药都跑不过他，你说他没吃药？
看看中国外交部那些发言人，不是背稿子就是文不对题的胡说，要么干脆撒泼打滚。估计这边高中随便一个辩论队，都比他们会讲。不相信那么大的一个国家，找不到几个说话反应快，有逻辑的。 中国人实干可能还行，讲话发言辩论这些真是long way to go。
就是这个理，部分国人的嘴脸简直了。你心宽，想着他其实有点弱，但你不介他弱愿意带他玩；但他不这么想，他想的是跟着白皮的好处可比跟着你的好处多多了，为了追求融入，只要有需要，可以随时把自己的族人扔下bus。
就白皮的那个婊劲，也就只有国人里最婊的那档可以跟他们过个招，打个平手。怎么着，我就给有guts, 敢跟白皮开干，而且能干赢的国人点赞。能气得他们四仰八叉的最好！
哈哈
虽然但是。。。被查出来的曲美他嗪不是瘦肉精。。。我觉得WADA还是应该有更详实说明和澄清给中国运动员一个清白吧。
呵呵！不为别人发声最后被沉默的就是自己。中国有什么民主？
这个我搞混了，不过的确只是那个旅馆食物出问题，其他附近旅馆的选手都没有任何问题。而且那时候没有任何世界性的比赛。血液中tmz的含量上下浮动也不符合微量性质用药。
− There were 23 swimmers, and 28 positive samples. All tested positive at the same time for TMZ at consistently very low levels (pg or low ng/mL range). − The swimmers were from different regions of China, with different coaches and from different swimming clubs. − The swimmers were in the same place at the same time when the positive samples arose. − A number of these swimmers were tested on multiple occasions during the swim meet. Some of them were tested on two or even three occasions on consecutive days. For several swimmers, the results varied from negative to positive within a few hours, which is not compatible with a doping scenario of deliberate ingestion nor with micro-dosing. − Some of the competing swimmers stayed in at least one other hotel. Three of those athletes were tested and none tested positive for TMZ. • Between January and June 2021 there were no international swimming competitions scheduled. Therefore, these athletes did not participate in any such competitions during that time period.
曲美他嗪（trimetazidine）是一种治疗心绞痛的药物，已被冠以许多种商品名销售。[1]该药物是由法国Laboratoires Servier开发和销售的第一种细胞保护性抗缺血剂。它是一种抗缺血（抗心绞痛）代谢剂，通过抑制脂肪酸代谢来改善心肌葡萄糖的利用，也称为脂肪酸氧化抑制剂。 医疗用途[编辑] 曲美他嗪通常被用于心绞痛的长期治疗，在一些国家（如法国）还用于治疗耳鸣与头晕。欧洲药品管理局（EMA）于2012年完成了对曲美他嗪的益处和风险审查，并建议限制使用含曲美他嗪的药物，以作为一线抗心绞痛治疗不能控制或不耐受情况下的心绞痛附加治疗。[2] 心绞痛患者的对照研究显示曲美他嗪增加了冠脉血流储备，从而延缓与运动有关的缺血发作，限制了运动造成的血压快速波动，并对心率没有显著影响，显着降低了心绞痛发作的频率，并使因心绞痛而使用硝酸盐显着减少。 在患有冠状动脉疾病的糖尿病患者中，它改善了左心室功能。近期，人们发现曲美他嗪对不同病因造成的心脏衰竭都有效果。[3][4] 用作表现增强物质[编辑] 曲美他嗪被列入世界反兴奋剂组织（WADA）“激素和代谢调节剂”类别下的禁用物质清单，[5]并且在任何时候都禁止在“赛内和赛外”使用它。[6][7]2014年，中国奥运会游泳冠军孙杨对四个月前刚被禁止的曲美他嗪的检测呈阳性，因此被中国游泳协会禁赛三个月。2015年1月，WADA将曲美他嗪从“兴奋剂”重新分类并降级为“心脏代谢调节剂”。[8][9]2022年2月，原定于2月8日星期二举行的2022年奥运会花样滑冰团体项目的颁奖典礼被推迟，原因是因为国际奥委会（IOC）发言人马克·亚当斯将这种情况描述为需要与国际滑冰联盟（ISU）“法律咨询”的情况。[10]几家媒体在星期三报道称，该问题与俄罗斯奥委会的卡米拉·瓦莉娃对曲美他嗪的检测阳性有关，[11][12]检测于2月11日正式确认，结果待查。[13]2月9日，瓦莉娃被俄罗斯反兴奋剂机构（RUSADA）清除。IOC、WADA和ISU正对RUSADA的决定提出上诉。[14]
我明白，我的意思就是目前WADA这个报告看上去并不能服众，所以才闹的沸沸扬扬。因为WADA后来又派了检查员独立调查，如果能给出比如说能不能找到污染的源头，负责人是谁。root cause 是啥，以后如何避免此类事件发生。这样可能比较服众。
China, Citing Tainted Burgers, Cleared Swimmers in a New Doping Dispute Two Chinese athletes, one of whom was named to the Olympic team in Paris, tested positive in 2022 for a banned steroid. China blamed contaminated food, as it had after previous positive tests. By Tariq Panja and Michael S. Schmidt Tariq Panja, who reported from Paris, and Michael S. Schmidt, who reported from New York, have both reported extensively about doping in sports.
July 30, 2024 Updated 7:43 a.m. ET Two elite Chinese swimmers, including one named to her country’s team in the Paris Olympics, tested positive in 2022 for a banned drug but were secretly cleared of doping late last year by Chinese authorities, according to two people with direct knowledge of the matter.
After a lengthy investigation into the previously undisclosed incident, the Chinese authorities were unable to determine exactly how the swimmers ingested the drug, a powerful anabolic steroid, but concluded that they had most likely done so unwittingly when they ate hamburgers at a restaurant in Beijing.
The Chinese emphasized in their explanation to global antidoping regulators that only trace amounts of the steroid had been detected and said that those levels were consistent with contamination, not doping.
The decision to clear the swimmers was at least the third time in recent years that China has blamed contaminated food for positive tests by top swimmers, an explanation that has drawn skepticism from many antidoping experts. Critics see the incident as the latest in a pattern of China’s looking the other way when confronted with positive tests in its swimming program, and as a failure by global antidoping agencies to ensure a level playing field for elite athletes.
Investigators and at least one expert for the World Anti-Doping Agency, known as WADA, were not convinced of the contamination explanation in the most recent case, one of the people with knowledge of the matter said. But the agency — which is supposed to serve as a backstop when a country’s own antidoping authorities fail to properly police its athletes — chose not to appeal China’s decision not to impose bans on the swimmers.
Another antidoping agency, the International Testing Agency, which was created in the wake of the Russian doping scandal that rocked Olympic sports nearly a decade ago, also reviewed the case. At least one I.T.A. official believed that swimming’s global governing body should appeal the Chinese decision to clear the athletes, the people with knowledge of the case said. But the swimming organization, known as World Aquatics, did not do so.
The two people with direct knowledge of the positive tests spoke on the condition of anonymity because details about the tests are supposed to remain secret. They said they decided to disclose the information because they believe that the tests were covered up and that the world should know about them at a time when global antidoping efforts are coming under intensified scrutiny.
One of the swimmers, Tang Muhan, was a member of a freestyle relay team that won gold and set a world record at the last Summer Olympics, just edging the U.S. and Australia. She has been named by state media as a member of this year’s Olympic team and is a possible member of the Chinese 4x200 meter relay team, which on Thursday will try to win a second straight gold medal in the event.
In response to questions from The New York Times, China’s antidoping authority, known as Chinada, did not address the newly disclosed case. However, Chinada said that it “has always maintained a scientific, rigorous and objective attitude, adhered to a firm stance of ‘zero tolerance’ for doping, and has always carried out its antidoping work in strict accordance” with global rules.
The World Anti-Doping Agency did not dispute the facts of the case when asked for comment by The Times. The agency said it had “reviewed the full case file with considerable skepticism and all due diligence. In the end, there was no evidence to challenge the contamination scenario presented by the athletes and Chinada.”
In a second statement, on Tuesday morning, it said, “WADA is generally concerned about the number of cases that have been closed without sanction when it is not possible to challenge the contamination theory.”
The International Testing Agency said that its role with World Aquatics did not extend to challenging conclusions by national antidoping agencies and that it “did not advise World Aquatics to appeal these decisions” by the Chinese antidoping agency.
World Aquatics said it “would not be appropriate to comment” on the case in detail, but added that “it never received any recommendation from the I.T.A. to appeal the case.”
The latest incident is likely to fuel further debate over whether the Chinese authorities and their global counterparts are failing to adequately address violations. At the same time, the incident also could lead to calls for flexibility in how the rules are enforced to account for situations in which testing — ever improving with advancing technology — is picking up banned substances that are being ingested accidentally. Chinese swimmers competing in Paris have vehemently denied doping, and WADA noted in its statement on Tuesday that there had been several cases closed as so-called no-fault violations “with sometimes unusual methods of contamination.”
In particular, it said, “there have been several cases in the United States in the past few months where highly intricate contamination scenarios were accepted.”
The disclosure of these positive tests comes three months after The Times reported that 23 Chinese swimmers tested positive for a banned drug before the Tokyo Olympics in 2021. In that case, China also blamed food contamination and cited the low levels of the drug detected in the swimmers.
Top Chinese Swimmers Tested Positive for Banned Drug, Then Won Olympic Gold The case, involving multiple swimmers who seven months later won medals at the 2021 Games, prompted accusations of a cover-up and concerns over why antidoping regulators chose not to intervene. April 20, 2024 The World Anti-Doping Agency also declined to act in that case, even though two of the agency’s top scientists said they had difficulty believing China’s claim that the swimmers had been unwittingly contaminated. The decision to clear those swimmers left them free to compete at the Tokyo Games. At that meet, Chinese swimmers who tested positive months earlier won medals in five events, including three golds. Eleven of those swimmers are again on the Chinese team in Paris.
The fallout from the 23 positive tests has continued to hang over the world of competitive swimming and has led athletes from the U.S. and other countries to voice doubts about whether their sport is clean.
Under the code that governs Olympic sports, athletes are responsible for what is in their bodies. For many drugs, athletes are considered to have tested positive — and face up to four-year bans — even if they have small traces of the substance in their systems. Athletes can escape punishment only if they can clear the high bar of showing exactly how they ingested the drug unwittingly through circumstances outside their control, like tainted food. China has repeatedly invoked that explanation despite being unable to prove the source of any contamination.
Use of the drug detected in the 2022 tests — metandienone, an anabolic steroid — carries the harshest penalties, including a four-year ban. The drug is often referred to as Dianabol or D-Bol and is popular among swimmers and sprinters seeking an edge because of how it helps build lean muscle.
There is a history of some positive tests for banned drugs being linked back to food contamination, usually through the use of steroids and similar substances given to beef cattle to bulk them up. But antidoping authorities and experts said that they could not think of another case where a positive test for metandienone was confirmed to have come from food contamination.
Antidoping authorities do not need to prove that banned substances are used intentionally to impose sanctions. Last year, a Chinese distance runner was suspended from competition after a positive result for metandienone, despite having claimed that she had ingested the substance unwittingly when she accidentally drank from a training partner’s water bottle.
As the Paris Games opened on Friday, the International Testing Agency suspended a member of Iraq’s Olympic judo team from the competition after he tested positive for metandienone and another anabolic steroid.
The Justice Department and F.B.I. are conducting a criminal investigation into how the results from the 23 positive tests before the Tokyo Olympics were handled, a fact that has deeply unnerved International Olympic Committee and WADA officials.
Last week, the I.O.C. imposed last-minute conditions on Utah and the U.S. Olympic Committee, effectively forcing them to sign an amended contract to award Salt Lake City the 2034 Winter Olympics. The amendments allow the I.O.C. to move the 2034 Games to another city, if the U.S. is seen by the I.O.C. as undermining the global system built around WADA.
The two swimmers in the latest case, Ms. Tang and He Junyi, were training in 2022 at a national team facility in Beijing. The Chinese told WADA that the two of them went out together for a day in early October, stopping at a restaurant for Coke, hamburgers and fries. Days later, they were subjected to routine drug testing, which came back positive when the results were reported the following month.
Ms. Tang, 20, had not previously been publicly tied to a positive test. Two other members of the Chinese relay team that won gold in the last Olympics were among the 23 swimmers who had tested positive for a banned substance months before the Tokyo Games but were never sanctioned.
Mr. He is not a member of this year’s Olympic team. But his positive test stood out for another reason: He was also among the 23 swimmers who tested positive in 2021 for a banned substance — a prescription heart medication, trimetazidine, known as TMZ, that can increase stamina and endurance and hasten recovery times.
This would mean that in the span of less than two years Mr. He had twice accidentally consumed food tainted with powerful performance-enhancing drugs.
After the positive tests in 2022, Chinese authorities initially issued provisional suspensions against the two swimmers as the WADA code requires, steps not taken in the earlier case of the 23 swimmers who had tested positive. But China does not ever appear to have publicly disclosed its finding of food contamination in either case, as required under WADA rules.
Ms. Tang contested the action, setting off a hearing process. But the Chinese authorities paused that process and began a wide-ranging investigation that brought in the state’s security services.
The investigation focused on the possibility that the swimmers had eaten hamburgers made with beef from cattle that had been fed anabolic steroids. The inquiry included testing meat samples across the country, tracking beef imports to China from Australia and even conducting studies in which individuals were given contaminated meat and then tested to see what level of the banned substance was detected.
Ultimately, the investigation was unable to pinpoint the source of any potentially tainted meat. But last December, the Chinese decided that the swimmers would be cleared of wrongdoing.
Still, while it took place, the swimmers were barred from races. According to data on the World Aquatics website, Mr. He has not competed at major national or international meets since the positive tests were returned to Chinese authorities in November 2022. Ms. Tang appeared to have been absent from competition for about a year, before resurfacing last December at the Chinese nationals and then being named to the Olympic team.
On Tuesday, WADA confirmed that their absences were because they had been suspended.
Matthew Cullen and Olivia Wang contributed reporting.
Tariq Panja is a global sports correspondent, focusing on stories where money, geopolitics and crime intersect with the sports world. More about Tariq Panja
Michael S. Schmidt is an investigative reporter for The Times covering Washington. His work focuses on tracking and explaining high-profile federal investigations. More about Michael S. Schmidt
主要是，自己家的比赛，明知道检测，并不是飞行检测，还集体同时吃药，那是有多傻？要只是走形式，那也不必报给WADA了。这种药代谢特别快，没必要在赛内吃了被查。
WADA今天也说了，这几个月美国也有污染性阳性被cleared的案例，例如运动员躺在爸爸滴了眼药水的枕头上所以皮肤吸收了禁药。并不只是给中国开绿灯，而是酌情保护运动员。
汤和何以及各自的教练都被禁赛一年。 复出后赶上了冠军赛，汤状态好入选此次奥运名单。 何好像连冠军赛都没参加，何的教练非常有名，就是孙杨和汪顺的教练。 国内对兴奋剂处理方式比较低调，就是不会通报，但是在今天网络爆发的时代不难知道发生什么。 一个国内顶尖的现役运动员莫名其妙消失一段时间并且连同主教练一起消失，那基本就是兴奋剂了。这个是中国自己抓到并且处理的case, 并没什么问题。
这关键是也没有保护到，名单都泄露了，从头到尾WADA必须负责啊。
那为啥其他项目西方媒体不黑你呢？
WADA请了个瑞士的检察官在调查了，其实完整报告还没出。但美国趁着这个时机猛攻，要的就是效果不是真相。 WADA搬出IOC来威胁盐湖城，国会不买账。
你读一读上面纽约时报的文章吧，没有按照WADA规定处理，也是没有问题？
中国带风向的人很多，不知道是不是美国拨款起的作用。总是一点点事各种黑。
現在啥事都動不動就是美國陰謀論, 哪個老外還敢做中國隊的RP, 做好是應該,做不好搞不好成了西方間諜.
首先，别人的确是刻意针对中国选手。但是这次的事会发酵到这么大主要是因为这么大范围的阳性，不管原因是什么（我个人认为是检测假阳性的可能最大），WADA内部竟然没有通报，大家竟然都不知道。虽然可以理解就是不希望被有心人利用，但事到如今才会变成更大的新闻。
那到底是中国人自己查的还是wada查的啊
21年国内的一个全国赛，中国反兴奋剂中心CHINADA 做的常规检查发现有低浓度的曲美他嗪，然后就汇报给了WADA和国际泳联，后来是WADA认定了CHINADA的报告，判定为大规模食物污染/样本污染，运动员无过错。然后放行东京奥运会。而且因为运动员无过错所以不按照兴奋剂违规，为了保护运动员隐私也不通报和对外公布。
国内领导最重要的不是拿金牌 是别犯错 拿不了金牌顶多不升官 说错话就要丢官了
现在马后炮还有什么用，国内一直都这个德性，一个刘翔一个孙杨，人在的时候不知道珍惜，失去了才知道后悔
说到兴奋剂，忘了谁家制药业发达了？最早飞人记录哪儿来的？别太当回事了。运动员性征无改变，体育生涯长，自然寿命正常，这样就可以了。兴奋剂检查本意是保护运动员，维护公平竞争。搞到道高一尺 魔高一丈的地步，甚至于政策手段干扰。人类社会想干干净净的公平竞争，真是美好愿望啊