任何宗教/传统意识形态都可以 mock。这个世界需要不同的观点和声音,以免在一个现在觉得正确无比 (but not necessarily so) 的方向上走太远。过去所有人类历史都体现了这一点。 Mock 到什么程度是不可接受的,时间会给答案。同意的,不同意的,顺其自然。 Life of Brian 到现在因为亵渎这个罪名在很多国家还是被禁,包括挪威和爱尔兰。But it is still one of the greatest comedy ever made。 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Python%27s_Life_of_Brian
官方已经确认跟最后的晚餐没关系了。灵感来自希腊诸神。是不是吵了个寂寞。 https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/4797097-paris-olympics-organizer-says-drag-performance-was-nod-to-greek-mythology-not-last-supper/ An organizer of the Paris Olympics said that the drag performance during Friday’s opening ceremony was a nod to Greek mythology, not the Last Supper. Thomas Jolly, the artistic director for the ceremony, told French news channel BFM TV on Sunday that the inspiration for that scene was the Greek god Dionysus, according to NBC’s “Today.” His comments come after the opening ceremony included a scene that some said looked like Leonardo da Vinci’s painting of the Last Supper. “There is Dionysus who arrives on this table. He is there because he is the god of celebration in Greek mythology,” Jolly said, according to NBC. “The idea was to have a pagan celebration connected to the gods of Olympus. You will never find in me a desire to mock and denigrate anyone.” The opening ceremonies on Friday included a group of performers, some of them in drag, in a scene that some said resembled da Vinci’s painting of the Last Supper. It featured someone painted blue sitting on a table surrounded by fruit, while dancers and other performers struck poses in the background. One of the performers in the middle was crowned with an aureole. The official Olympics account also posted photos of the ceremony on the social media platform X, again suggesting it was a reference to Dionysus. “The interpretation of the Greek God Dionysus makes us aware of the absurdity of violence between human beings,” the post states. Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) was among those who criticized the performance, saying it was a “mockery of the Last Supper.” Anne Descamps, a spokesperson for the 2024 Paris Olympics, apologized at a press conference if people took offense to it but emphasized that that was not their intention. “Clearly there was never an intention to show disrespect to any religious group. On the contrary, I think that Thomas Jolly really tried to celebrate community tolerance,” Descamps said at a press conference on Saturday. “We believe that this ambition was achieved.” “If people have taken any offense, we are of course really sorry,” she added.
官方已经确认跟最后的晚餐没关系了。灵感来自希腊诸神。是不是吵了个寂寞。 https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/4797097-paris-olympics-organizer-says-drag-performance-was-nod-to-greek-mythology-not-last-supper/ An organizer of the Paris Olympics said that the drag performance during Friday’s opening ceremony was a nod to Greek mythology, not the Last Supper. Thomas Jolly, the artistic director for the ceremony, told French news channel BFM TV on Sunday that the inspiration for that scene was the Greek god Dionysus, according to NBC’s “Today.” His comments come after the opening ceremony included a scene that some said looked like Leonardo da Vinci’s painting of the Last Supper. “There is Dionysus who arrives on this table. He is there because he is the god of celebration in Greek mythology,” Jolly said, according to NBC. “The idea was to have a pagan celebration connected to the gods of Olympus. You will never find in me a desire to mock and denigrate anyone.” The opening ceremonies on Friday included a group of performers, some of them in drag, in a scene that some said resembled da Vinci’s painting of the Last Supper. It featured someone painted blue sitting on a table surrounded by fruit, while dancers and other performers struck poses in the background. One of the performers in the middle was crowned with an aureole. The official Olympics account also posted photos of the ceremony on the social media platform X, again suggesting it was a reference to Dionysus. “The interpretation of the Greek God Dionysus makes us aware of the absurdity of violence between human beings,” the post states. Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) was among those who criticized the performance, saying it was a “mockery of the Last Supper.” Anne Descamps, a spokesperson for the 2024 Paris Olympics, apologized at a press conference if people took offense to it but emphasized that that was not their intention. “Clearly there was never an intention to show disrespect to any religious group. On the contrary, I think that Thomas Jolly really tried to celebrate community tolerance,” Descamps said at a press conference on Saturday. “We believe that this ambition was achieved.” “If people have taken any offense, we are of course really sorry,” she added.
法院禁止带头巾是几年前的事啦,现在法国的穆斯林真是有持无恐,人数众多,法国已经是伊斯兰,极左和LGBT 的天下了
基督教并没有让奥林匹克做什么, 而是奥林匹克主动来招惹基督教,奥林匹克可以展示他们想要展示的东西,但是以嘲弄某一宗教的方式来展示是不可取的。
妹子莫不是被假圣经忽悠了吧?麻烦找到真正的圣经读了再来说话。
马克龙的老婆是罗家的人。某族正在颠覆西方国家
东北二人转也是民俗文化,你专找些那色情下流的地方看,还装什么能欣赏法国呢
你觉得算嘲弄,也许人家没有恶意呢,毕竟艺术本来有多种表现形式
还有人上金属乐队的帖子下面骂人家是撒旦的,有没有可能人家就是普通人,金属只是一种艺术形式
毕竟对于基督徒来说,不信的人都是要下地狱的,一棍子把不跟自己信仰一致的都打死了,还谈什么
Mock 到什么程度是不可接受的,时间会给答案。同意的,不同意的,顺其自然。
Life of Brian 到现在因为亵渎这个罪名在很多国家还是被禁,包括挪威和爱尔兰。But it is still one of the greatest comedy ever made。
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Python%27s_Life_of_Brian
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可以去mock the religion of peace啊,和平教相比其他宗教来说太缺乏mockery了。
美国是圣经治国,也是唯一的宗教,中国共党不是宗教,是中国最大的党派,宗教和党派不要混为一谈,不然你会被圣经教育的
确实不咋样,本来她会这么红也是很奇怪的事
嗯,酒神的话就没啥。开幕式尝试了三次都只看到前面三分之一,本来对奥运没啥特别期待。
这才开幕式照顾了各类人士的需求,除了正常人,也算是群魔乱舞的开幕式了
那个节目如果是致敬奥林匹克,就是侮辱奥林匹克,侮辱希腊众神的审美,希腊众神别的有问题,审美上可没问题,这个节目美吗?阿波罗看到要气得发动战争吧。
希腊人好像没说啥吧?我觉得他们应该不在乎,希腊诸神之间的关系也很混乱 美是主观看法,我觉得不怎么美,但不至于大肆讨伐,或者强行带入基督教视角 再怎么说这也是很短的一段,在那么长的开幕式上这么几分钟也算事?为啥非要只盯着这个说事?前面悲惨世界+金属卡门的段落就很好啊,致敬女性,热气球点火,都很独特,总体观感好就行了,瑕不掩瑜
估计就听别人传这个所以跟着评论一下,并没看开幕式。
该隐的妻子是谁?诺亚的孙辈该怎么称呼他?耶稣的祖先罗德是和谁有的后代?LOL
至於我那些仇敵,就是不願意我作王統治他們的,把他們拉到這裡來,在我面前殺掉
别只念牧师指给你的段落。
没觉得这两者之间有任何关联,基督徒也搞文革那一套?欲加之罪 何患无辞
。。。这个光圈古希腊罗马印度埃及等等都有哦,受希腊神话影响的罗马,皇帝头上也经常画着一个,你们的耶稣那个时候还没出生吧,本来就是剽窃来的怎么就变成独你一家了,真心搞笑。
狗屁不通,谁跟你说基督教是美国唯一宗教?如果你是基督徒,也太狂妄了吧
中国的神和西方的神不一样的,根本没有所谓欲望,怎么搞?另外中国文化自古很包容同志啊,现代反而保守起来了很奇怪。西游记里神仙被讽刺的还不利害,个个基本都是小丑, 你怎么总是要往色情方面思考?和你看女生穿legging狂怒一个思路?LOL, 恐同即深柜?
耶稣为什么会被处死?就是因为在犹太人面前自称是神子和使者,亵渎耶和华了,犹太人根本不认他,所以死后无计可施的徒弟们才开始对外族人传教啊,耶稣生前把外族人比喻是狗,不配吃给犹太人的好东西。
我看过圣经,创世纪一开始确实有一大段是说谁生了谁,然后说到诺亚,之后又一段谁生了谁,一直说到雅各,然后在埃及那段又是谁生了谁,一直说到摩西
那也可以恶搞下默罕默德的书,查理周刊何罪?
大家都像你这么聪明,查理周刊就没事了。
不懂纯好奇,西游记里哪里开了宗教LGBT的玩笑?给我们找点证据吧
其实很想听听阴谋论者怎么看待这个问题!😄 能在这种场合,还搞得这么明目张胆,谁会想象这背后的力量是有多么强大? PS:感觉更像是一个阵营向另一个阵营叫嚣,而不同的人类更像是这场斗争中的代理人而已.....😂
法国人也分左中右,有赞同的反对的不代表什么,统计结果才有代表意义。
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/4797097-paris-olympics-organizer-says-drag-performance-was-nod-to-greek-mythology-not-last-supper/
An organizer of the Paris Olympics said that the drag performance during Friday’s opening ceremony was a nod to Greek mythology, not the Last Supper. Thomas Jolly, the artistic director for the ceremony, told French news channel BFM TV on Sunday that the inspiration for that scene was the Greek god Dionysus, according to NBC’s “Today.” His comments come after the opening ceremony included a scene that some said looked like Leonardo da Vinci’s painting of the Last Supper.
“There is Dionysus who arrives on this table. He is there because he is the god of celebration in Greek mythology,” Jolly said, according to NBC. “The idea was to have a pagan celebration connected to the gods of Olympus. You will never find in me a desire to mock and denigrate anyone.” The opening ceremonies on Friday included a group of performers, some of them in drag, in a scene that some said resembled da Vinci’s painting of the Last Supper. It featured someone painted blue sitting on a table surrounded by fruit, while dancers and other performers struck poses in the background. One of the performers in the middle was crowned with an aureole. The official Olympics account also posted photos of the ceremony on the social media platform X, again suggesting it was a reference to Dionysus. “The interpretation of the Greek God Dionysus makes us aware of the absurdity of violence between human beings,” the post states. Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) was among those who criticized the performance, saying it was a “mockery of the Last Supper.”
Anne Descamps, a spokesperson for the 2024 Paris Olympics, apologized at a press conference if people took offense to it but emphasized that that was not their intention. “Clearly there was never an intention to show disrespect to any religious group. On the contrary, I think that Thomas Jolly really tried to celebrate community tolerance,” Descamps said at a press conference on Saturday. “We believe that this ambition was achieved.” “If people have taken any offense, we are of course really sorry,” she added.
官方当然会这么说了。可能也没想到会引起这么大的风波吧 但是就是最后的晚餐即视感
这次的巴黎奥运开幕式绝对不适合受教育程度低对艺术史一无所知还保守偏激的观众欣赏。
西游记通篇都是讽刺佛教和道教的,把唐僧都损得够呛,你是不是没看过原著只看过电视剧?
哇噻 你還真是無知得可以
Dionysus is one of the 12 olympians. 我猜你不知道吧
让酒神的名字出现会好一些吗? 在一个多元共存的世界里,如果理解大家脑子里都共有四季中的春天, 那么就展现春天的多样性可能会减少误解。
单就说那个蓝精灵不穿衣服确实不够雅观
古希腊的奥运会本来就都是不穿衣服的。
人类好不容易向文明的方向进步了几千年,别退回到光着屁股满世界跑的初始阶段吧
她问的是LGBT的玩笑。讽刺哪里都有。而且西游记没有讽刺如来佛,也没有讽刺元始天尊。王母,玉帝,更多是民间传说,而跟宗教的联系不深,甚至可以说毫无关系。
所以,说西游记通篇讽刺佛教,道教是不正确的。
人难道分不清楚一个和尚穿着袈裟和牛鬼蛇神的区别?
古希腊的奥运会是不允许女人参加比赛和观看的。跟男澡堂子一样,都是男人当然不用穿衣服了。你要抬杠也要有些文化和见识吧。
中国古文化和西方古文化(罗马)都出现过同。没有区别。
如果要说到宗教,佛教,道教,基督教都没有所谓的包容同。中国古代不存在同性可以结婚。所以所谓包容同志也就是特权阶级可以有男宠。但是也不是可以公开说的,只能意会不能言传,没有品阶,没有名目,私底下大家心照不宣的默契罢了。
世界古文明里,没有任何记录有同性结婚的存在。最多可以有同性恋人,但是无论是宗教,还是家庭,从来没有同性结合的先例。
西游记的讽刺也没有超出伦常,而且没有真的讽刺佛教,道教,主要是拿一些民间传说里的神仙讽刺。西游记本来就是以玄奘西行为蓝本,讲的就是要去西天取经,是更加强化了佛法。西游记里哪怕讽刺道士,也没有真的讽刺元始天尊等真正的道教三清。更多的是讽刺借着道教的名头招摇撞骗的现象。
问题是这届奥运会不是在古希腊这个年代啊
但是有gay啊。
蓝精灵、丑人、胖子、残疾人、与众不同的人都有存在和出现的权利。这是他们想表达的观点之一。
欺软怕硬是放之四海皆准的真理吧?哪儿真会有啥人去欺硬怕软的?针对这行为具体的对错(比如,说明这确实是在“欺”)讨论,我觉得没问题。去嘲笑人家“欺软怕硬”,就没啥意义了。