印度人团结。这一点就很好。 也很自信。你看印度人都保持着自己的姓名，和民族服饰。 中国人都是什么 John Wang, Mike Lee, Lisa Zhang, Kevin Zhao。我看着都别扭啊。还沾沾自喜，自以为：“你看看，我两边都沾着了啊！”其实，两边不是人啊。不是吗？ 印度导师拼命帮着自己的学生。中国导师拼命压榨学生。 孰优孰劣？还不是一目了然吗？
回复 15楼 桃花流水满前溪 的帖子 一般白人恨得咬牙切齿，也没有用，这是犹太昂撒财阀的决定。 韩裔美籍工程师就被Intel managers of Indian descent歧视过，都报道过。真是赤裸裸的歧视。 Korean-American software engineer claims discrimination by Intel managers of Indian descent https://www.reddit.com/r/asianamerican/comments/cipl16/koreanamerican_software_engineer_claims/ After the meeting, the man told a fellow interviewer that Intel shouldn’t hire Ryu because he was “Korean, married, and had a child,” and added, “It would be easier to hire a younger, unmarried Indian man,” the suit alleged. Still, Intel hired Ryu onto its system integration team, where he found “the demographics of the worksite and its management have been heavily skewed toward employees from India or people of Indian or south-Asian descent,” the suit claimed. One manager in his team, of Indian origin, “openly favored the hiring and promotion of only employees from India, stating that ‘Indians work hard’ and ‘Indians are harder workers,'” the suit alleged. That manager also encouraged a supervisor to hire only Indian employees, the suit filed Wednesday claimed. 这个其他族裔的也遭遇到不少。韩裔也一样，不是专门针对华人。 ssnistfajen 5y ago On Zhihu (Chinese site similar to Quora), this was proposed as a theory on why Chinese immigrants seemingly don't fare as well as Indian immigrants in Silicon Valley: Indians consistently favour and promote their own (sometimes turning whole departments into mostly Indians), while Chinese often suffer from "crabs in a bucket" mentality and fail to collectively benefit each other. Whether this is true or even based in reality is debatable, but it's an interesting thought. SympatheticListenerIt's because the long term strategy for technology companies is to offshore all technology work to India, so they need people here who can communicate with offshore teams in India. 美国的其他族裔从业者，结论是，不是上面的人不知道印度人这样搞，他们的目的就是为了把一切技术工作offshore去更便宜的印度，所以他们对印度人胡作非为睁一只眼闭一只眼。 BitterEngineer 5y ago The difference between Indians and Asians is that the former has a culture where corruption is not just normal, it's celebrated. At Intel, there are so many Indians in management that they brazenly practice nepotism with zero fear of HR investigation. Source: I suffered at Intel for over 10 years. 印度人对自己搞Nepotism和Cronyism不仅仅是normal而是celebrated。 所以没有必要没事瞎反思了。
我当时就意识到，什么样的人每天会在网上无私回答问题，而且技术水平那么高，他图什么呢？也许我比较功利主义者，很难理解这种热衷公益性的人会花那么多时间去帮助别人。
我感觉三哥里的精英还是很多的，他们的一个优势就是英语是他们的母语，他们必然在欧美国家更加吃得开，就像见到说方言的老乡一样，有种更亲近的感觉。所以三哥在欧美发展更好，比起中国人，毫无疑问有更多优势。
以前很奇怪的是我觉得印一代的很多毛病在印二代身上就没有了，现在好像印一代太多，以致印二代也开始有毛病。
三哥这样搞，主流族裔都没意见，那也没办法啊。华裔作为少数族裔，感觉太担忧也没用啊，而且你看那么多三哥族裔的人在政界发展那么好，说明本地人还是很认可三哥的
政界有很多三哥面孔，足以说明他们混的很好，如鱼得水
没怎么关注，他们可能就不怎么在乎那种虚荣吧
我在图书馆看到很多三哥小孩和本地人小孩玩得很多啊，他们融入当地文化更容易一些吧
你应该这么想。
人家正因为水平特别高，高你好几个数量级，才愿意和你分享。因为你威胁不到他。他分享出来自己有成就感，满足好为人师的成就感，最后你们也帮他抬轿子。如果他在公司地位岌岌可危，有个极其聪明的竞争者，他还会这么分享么？！
人在有钱财富自由，地位安全的时候，考虑的是怎么让自己有社会影响力。要不你就理解不了为啥贝索斯、马斯克要赔钱买媒体平台。
中国穷的时候，美国人对中国人多慷慨友善。你真变成peer competitor时，是多么咬牙切齿。
不是批评哪个人。这就是人性。不要刻意高估别人的道德。
也许我见识的三哥比较少吧。目前还没经历过那种。 不过说到耍手段，这应该在美国本地人之间也会发生吧？就像总统选举之后，新总统要组阁，势必替换掉前一任的人马，对吧？看一些美剧里面，也涉及到不少政治斗争啊。 也许你说的那种耍手段，方法更高明一些？
确实，感觉很有道理。人性就是那样的。
是啊，关键是白人也不在乎这种形势，他们怎么就能忍受三哥的那些特点呢？是心服口服了么？也许他们并不在乎，因为只有资本（背后的老板）才能决定谁能坐上更高的位置，比如CEO。能带来利润就行，他们才不在乎是怎么耍手段怎么斗争来的，对吧？
犹太人这么想，做为小老百姓的白人也不在乎？
我不知道，不太了解他们的想法。也许他们并不在乎。
meritocracy是公司的口号，不是百分百也绝大部分是，谁能干谁上啊。
我不喜欢版上一味贬损印度人，作为一个民族有优点也有缺点，到个人头上也一样，华人也一样啊，国人尤其男性技术好但能说能lead能做sales的确实少，白人能领导能做sales，但技术好的少些，这么一看比较全能的确实是老印，他们在各大公司占据高位没什么奇怪的。
是的，华人男性的确更加不容易。
白人当然在乎，但底层白人能怎么样？都是白人与犹太资本家阶层说了算，印度人便宜又听话，又有几百年被殖民历史文化，正好适合当资本的白手套
但是也有可能三哥的那些手段，并不会用在白人身上。他们既然精明到知道使用那些手段，自然知道何时不使用。
奥运都是专门训练的，不代表什么。的确是虚荣。 体育为国争光就是洗脑。人民过上好日子才是真的好。
印度导师拼命帮着自己的学生。中国导师拼命压榨学生。 孰优孰劣？还不是一目了然吗？
一般白人恨得咬牙切齿，也没有用，这是犹太昂撒财阀的决定。
韩裔美籍工程师就被Intel managers of Indian descent歧视过，都报道过。真是赤裸裸的歧视。 Korean-American software engineer claims discrimination by Intel managers of Indian descent https://www.reddit.com/r/asianamerican/comments/cipl16/koreanamerican_software_engineer_claims/
After the meeting, the man told a fellow interviewer that Intel shouldn’t hire Ryu because he was “Korean, married, and had a child,” and added, “It would be easier to hire a younger, unmarried Indian man,” the suit alleged.
Still, Intel hired Ryu onto its system integration team, where he found “the demographics of the worksite and its management have been heavily skewed toward employees from India or people of Indian or south-Asian descent,” the suit claimed.
One manager in his team, of Indian origin, “openly favored the hiring and promotion of only employees from India, stating that ‘Indians work hard’ and ‘Indians are harder workers,'” the suit alleged. That manager also encouraged a supervisor to hire only Indian employees, the suit filed Wednesday claimed.
这个其他族裔的也遭遇到不少。韩裔也一样，不是专门针对华人。
ssnistfajen 5y ago On Zhihu (Chinese site similar to Quora), this was proposed as a theory on why Chinese immigrants seemingly don't fare as well as Indian immigrants in Silicon Valley: Indians consistently favour and promote their own (sometimes turning whole departments into mostly Indians), while Chinese often suffer from "crabs in a bucket" mentality and fail to collectively benefit each other.
Whether this is true or even based in reality is debatable, but it's an interesting thought.
SympatheticListener It's because the long term strategy for technology companies is to offshore all technology work to India, so they need people here who can communicate with offshore teams in India.
美国的其他族裔从业者，结论是，不是上面的人不知道印度人这样搞，他们的目的就是为了把一切技术工作offshore去更便宜的印度，所以他们对印度人胡作非为睁一只眼闭一只眼。
BitterEngineer 5y ago
The difference between Indians and Asians is that the former has a culture where corruption is not just normal, it's celebrated. At Intel, there are so many Indians in management that they brazenly practice nepotism with zero fear of HR investigation.
Source: I suffered at Intel for over 10 years. 印度人对自己搞Nepotism和Cronyism不仅仅是normal而是celebrated。
所以没有必要没事瞎反思了。
都有意见，怎么没有？
我见过他们有技术的几乎为0，上位靠的是无底线的坑蒙拐骗和拉帮结派。这种无底线不仅仅是破了道德的底线，很多是法律的底线，比如移民签证造假，学历造假，财务造假。