考虑买(电)车,如何说服自己不担心起火?

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stones
楼主 (北美华人网)
考虑换辆车,电车也进 candidate, 前几年就在几个 block 之外发生 过 tesla 撞树烧死人的事故。 你们是如何说服自己 stop worry and buy tesla/其他电车的?起火比油车 少的数据网上哪里有,可以分享吗?
起火的电车里,逃生的比例和起火的油车比,有数据吗? 感觉心里有点过不去,不敢买。国内电车占新车销售的一半了, 就想问下,大家都觉得被烧死这件事都不会发生在自己身上?
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sodaa
有顾虑还是别入
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pwwq
stones 发表于 2024-06-18 22:02
考虑换辆车,电车也进 candidate, 前几年就在几个 block 之外发生 过 tesla 撞树烧死人的事故。 你们是如何说服自己 stop worry and buy tesla/其他电车的?起火比油车 少的数据网上哪里有,可以分享吗?
起火的电车里,逃生的比例和起火的油车比,有数据吗? 感觉心里有点过不去,不敢买。国内电车占新车销售的一半了, 就想问下,大家都觉得被烧死这件事都不会发生在自己身上?

不要买!
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Huanmin
还是开油车吧,都是4轱辘,能够A点到B点就可以了。
人在它乡
珍惜生命,远离电车。
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baoubaou
没得说服吧,现实就如此
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TrinidadSky
stones 发表于 2024-06-18 22:02
考虑换辆车,电车也进 candidate, 前几年就在几个 block 之外发生 过 tesla 撞树烧死人的事故。 你们是如何说服自己 stop worry and buy tesla/其他电车的?起火比油车 少的数据网上哪里有,可以分享吗?
起火的电车里,逃生的比例和起火的油车比,有数据吗? 感觉心里有点过不去,不敢买。国内电车占新车销售的一半了, 就想问下,大家都觉得被烧死这件事都不会发生在自己身上?

自己看图
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morgan888
回复 1楼 stones 的帖子
买几套防火服装加氧气罩 开车时候用 就比较放心了
螂臂挡车
主要是起火以后,电车逃出来机会比油车小,被活活烧死太可怕了,最痛苦的几种死法前几名
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gokgs
US has about 3million EV on the road, how many accidents like that you have heard? 窃以为,EV are pretty safe already.
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gokgs
TrinidadSky 发表于 2024-06-18 23:22
自己看图

我觉得中国电车的电池质量肯定有问题, 起火太多了。 美国的就没那么多。
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generalB
螂臂挡车 发表于 2024-06-18 23:25
主要是起火以后,电车逃出来机会比油车小,被活活烧死太可怕了,最痛苦的几种死法前几名

据说死了以后灵魂还会继续受煎熬
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gokgs
Data from the National Transportation Safety Board showed that EVs were involved in approximately 25 fires for every 100,000 sold. Comparatively, approximately 1,530 gasoline-powered vehicles and 3,475 hybrid vehicles were involved in fires for every 100,000 sold.
笨笨熊
十八年后又是一条好汉?
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Charcar
去买彩票,中了就别买,没中的话就别担心那么多了,小概率事件不会发生你身上😎
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Galaxy_Lily
确实容易起火
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Galaxy_Lily
回复 9楼 螂臂挡车 的帖子
还有冬天电池不续航!
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comfit
在美国还是油车舒服
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ezf
Model 3 有用磷酸铁锂电池的,比亚迪或宁德时代造的,问清楚LFP电池,便宜还安全,万一起火燃烧速度也很慢,不像三元锂电池那样爆燃。
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norwayforest
磷酸铁锂的吧,火比较慢,三元的瞬间入狱
你的趋利避害本能在引导你,你为什么要逆着执行啊
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hankzhang
回复 21楼 聚 的帖子
有时候这种直觉不一定对啊
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leatherplayer
破窗锤和切割安全带的工具,着火被卡住时,可以逃生
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jackrose
买的都是不担心的。你自己担心,就follow your heart好了。没有必要真买了还天天担心。
世界上任何一件事,都是有人完全放心,有人非常担心。担心的不去就好了。看能承受多大风险。炒股也是一个例子。能承受损失的去炒股,不能的老老实实存CD。
咸鱼红烧肉
不就是一个代步工具么,想买啥买啥,你为什么非要说服自己买电车?我一秒犹豫都不会有,就是因为不想花时间学电车的新操作流程。什么环保啊便宜啊关我P事。
蓝光加湿器
为什么非要说服自己?
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Newmoon17
lz要因噎废食,旁人也没办法。
hankzhang 发表于 2024-06-19 09:37
回复 21楼 聚 的帖子
有时候这种直觉不一定对啊

确实是。
不过我可能年纪大了,对直觉不敢轻易忽视,尤其是强烈的直觉,总觉得是冥冥中给我的提示,我要是你就先不选电车了。
弹指芳华
何必为难自己呢。听从内心。那么怕就油车呗。
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Cattleya
我坐别人的电车体验很好,也考虑过买一辆,也是对电车碰撞起火很担忧。据我从有限的例子看: 油车起火,很多是因为改装或者使用年头太久,这个我完全可以避免。电厂则是因为碰撞,见林志颖的例子,这个很难避免--因为就算我好好开车,还可能被DUI的疯子撞上。油车起火,运气好可能逃生;电厂起火往往快速而猛烈,灭火基本不可能。因为我胆子小,惜命,决定目前还是买油车。
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tracys0801
stones 发表于 2024-06-18 22:02
考虑换辆车,电车也进 candidate, 前几年就在几个 block 之外发生 过 tesla 撞树烧死人的事故。 你们是如何说服自己 stop worry and buy tesla/其他电车的?起火比油车 少的数据网上哪里有,可以分享吗?
起火的电车里,逃生的比例和起火的油车比,有数据吗? 感觉心里有点过不去,不敢买。国内电车占新车销售的一半了, 就想问下,大家都觉得被烧死这件事都不会发生在自己身上?

那就别买了
选择那么多,干嘛找一个自己不放心的
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stones
gokgs 发表于 2024-06-18 23:56
US has about 3million EV on the road, how many accidents like that you have heard? 窃以为,EV are pretty safe already.

听到过好几起了,前几年每年都有吧,还不包括逃掉了/人不在里面的情况。
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stones
gokgs 发表于 2024-06-19 00:09
Data from the National Transportation Safety Board showed that EVs were involved in approximately 25 fires for every 100,000 sold. Comparatively, approximately 1,530 gasoline-powered vehicles and 3,475 hybrid vehicles were involved in fires for every 100,000 sold.

这个数据有具体出处吗?它说非电车 5% 都会着火?5千辆每十万辆就是5辆每百辆,或者说500/1万辆 上面gokgs给的国内数据里,油车起火率也就 60/1万辆。所以这位网友是说美国的油车(非电车)比国内油车起火率高10倍?
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stones
Cattleya 发表于 2024-06-19 14:42
我坐别人的电车体验很好,也考虑过买一辆,也是对电车碰撞起火很担忧。据我从有限的例子看: 油车起火,很多是因为改装或者使用年头太久,这个我完全可以避免。电厂则是因为碰撞,见林志颖的例子,这个很难避免--因为就算我好好开车,还可能被DUI的疯子撞上。油车起火,运气好可能逃生;电厂起火往往快速而猛烈,灭火基本不可能。因为我胆子小,惜命,决定目前还是买油车。

我觉得你说的有道理,按起火数量 / 保有量 算起火率。那油车是多旧的车都算进来,还有改装的,新能源车那是都是新车啊。这些起火数据要能按车龄分开比较,应该比较有说服力。
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gokgs
这个数据有具体出处吗?它说非电车 5% 都会着火?5千辆每十万辆就是5辆每百辆,或者说500/1万辆 上面gokgs给的国内数据里,油车起火率也就 60/1万辆。所以这位网友是说美国的油车(非电车)比国内油车起火率高10倍?
stones 发表于 2024-06-19 16:07

这是官方数据, 不过我觉得都有问题。 是自燃, 还是碰撞起火, 碰撞还分是高速还是低速碰撞, 所以本身就很难统计。
我现在最担心的是停在车库, 自燃把房子都烧了, 美国有过这样的报道, 大概概率很低吧。 湾区满大街都是特斯拉。基本不需要什么 maintenance, 我记得只加过挡风玻璃洗涤剂, 换过小电池, 省心的很。
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stones
gokgs 发表于 2024-06-19 16:10
这是官方数据, 不过我觉得都有问题。 是自燃, 还是碰撞起火, 碰撞还分是高速还是低速碰撞, 所以本身就很难统计。
我现在最担心的是停在车库, 自燃把房子都烧了, 美国有过这样的报道, 大概概率很低吧。 湾区满大街都是特斯拉。

电车自燃把房子烧了这事,感觉就在这一两年,在附近有过新闻。。。。
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stones
gokgs 发表于 2024-06-19 00:03
我觉得中国电车的电池质量肯定有问题, 起火太多了。 美国的就没那么多。

这个电车起火比率,比后面gopkg说的美国的比率低。。。
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stones
Charcar 发表于 2024-06-19 00:28
去买彩票,中了就别买,没中的话就别担心那么多了,小概率事件不会发生你身上😎

这是啥道理,这两件事怎么可能是关联的。
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me2me2
stones 发表于 2024-06-18 22:02
考虑换辆车,电车也进 candidate, 前几年就在几个 block 之外发生 过 tesla 撞树烧死人的事故。 你们是如何说服自己 stop worry and buy tesla/其他电车的?起火比油车 少的数据网上哪里有,可以分享吗?
起火的电车里,逃生的比例和起火的油车比,有数据吗? 感觉心里有点过不去,不敢买。国内电车占新车销售的一半了, 就想问下,大家都觉得被烧死这件事都不会发生在自己身上?

不要买三元锂电池版的,买LFP 磷酸铁锂电池版的 Model 3/Y 应该是2024年开始改LFP 磷酸铁锂电池版
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me2me2
看这个对比实验,LFP 不容易起火,三元一碰就炸 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=az9a2lv0ROE
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poppyjasper

保护环境,买油车吧
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dcbby
Chat GPT: The perception that electric vehicles (EVs) are more prone to catching fire compared to internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles is not supported by data. Studies indicate that EVs have a significantly lower incidence of fires than ICE vehicles. According to AutoInsuranceEZ, for every 100,000 EVs, there are approximately 25 fires, compared to about 1,530 fires for every 100,000 ICE vehicles. Hybrids, interestingly, are even more fire-prone, with about 3,475 fires per 100,000 vehicles​ (Popular Science)​​ (Electrek)​. In terms of fatalities, ICE vehicle fires result in a higher number of deaths compared to EV fires. ICE vehicles, due to their reliance on gasoline, which is highly flammable, are inherently more dangerous in the event of a fire. In 2020, vehicle fires accounted for 18% of civilian fire deaths in the US, with ICE vehicles being the primary contributors​ (Electrek)​. This discrepancy in public perception versus reality can be attributed to the novelty of EV technology and the media attention given to EV fires, which often highlight the dramatic nature of battery fires without providing context about their relative rarity compared to ICE vehicle fires​ (Popular Science)​. For more detailed statistics and insights, you can refer to the Popular Science and Electrek articles that discuss these findings in depth.
https://electrek.co/2022/01/12/government-data-shows-gasoline-vehicles-are-significantly-more-prone-to-fires-than-evs/
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MoonRiverMe
既然觉得是定时炸弹还想说服自己它不会爆炸?
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dxxxu
TrinidadSky 发表于 2024-06-18 23:22
自己看图

中国政府强推电车,数据不能信
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gokgs
dcbby 发表于 2024-06-19 18:32
Chat GPT: The perception that electric vehicles (EVs) are more prone to catching fire compared to internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles is not supported by data. Studies indicate that EVs have a significantly lower incidence of fires than ICE vehicles. According to AutoInsuranceEZ, for every 100,000 EVs, there are approximately 25 fires, compared to about 1,530 fires for every 100,000 ICE vehicles. Hybrids, interestingly, are even more fire-prone, with about 3,475 fires per 100,000 vehicles​ (Popular Science)​​ (Electrek)​. In terms of fatalities, ICE vehicle fires result in a higher number of deaths compared to EV fires. ICE vehicles, due to their reliance on gasoline, which is highly flammable, are inherently more dangerous in the event of a fire. In 2020, vehicle fires accounted for 18% of civilian fire deaths in the US, with ICE vehicles being the primary contributors​ (Electrek)​. This discrepancy in public perception versus reality can be attributed to the novelty of EV technology and the media attention given to EV fires, which often highlight the dramatic nature of battery fires without providing context about their relative rarity compared to ICE vehicle fires​ (Popular Science)​. For more detailed statistics and insights, you can refer to the Popular Science and Electrek articles that discuss these findings in depth.
https://electrek.co/2022/01/12/government-data-shows-gasoline-vehicles-are-significantly-more-prone-to-fires-than-evs/

我有电车,我也不相信这些数据。 美国的电车相对还是比较安全的。 概率总是有的, 不应该很大。
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ezf
me2me2 发表于 2024-06-19 17:22
不要买三元锂电池版的,买LFP 磷酸铁锂电池版的 Model 3/Y 应该是2024年开始改LFP 磷酸铁锂电池版

This
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phlin
gokgs 发表于 2024-06-19 00:09
Data from the National Transportation Safety Board showed that EVs were involved in approximately 25 fires for every 100,000 sold. Comparatively, approximately 1,530 gasoline-powered vehicles and 3,475 hybrid vehicles were involved in fires for every 100,000 sold.

這個數據是有問題
每十萬賣出 是指去年的賣出
但 燃油車 累積的是三十年的車
電車 兩年
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asfew
电车好像容易碰撞起火
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asfew
回复 8楼 morgan888 的帖子
意思每次开车都穿吗!
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Duolami
反正只要有油车 我永远用油车
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trayanh
油车着火跟电车着火还不一样,电车是瞬间爆燃,时间很短,不过特斯拉还是挺安全的,就是操作需要适应
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phlin
asfew 发表于 2024-06-20 01:20
电车好像容易碰撞起火

特別是某些號稱 質量比容量 單位質量能裝的電容量
超高的 電池
靠犧牲結構安全與冷卻來獲得高質能比
不可取啊
痘痘猪
安慰自己说人总是要死的?
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bjeam
stones 发表于 2024-06-18 22:02
考虑换辆车,电车也进 candidate, 前几年就在几个 block 之外发生 过 tesla 撞树烧死人的事故。 你们是如何说服自己 stop worry and buy tesla/其他电车的?起火比油车 少的数据网上哪里有,可以分享吗?
起火的电车里,逃生的比例和起火的油车比,有数据吗? 感觉心里有点过不去,不敢买。国内电车占新车销售的一半了, 就想问下,大家都觉得被烧死这件事都不会发生在自己身上?

哦,知道你住Santa Clara了
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wa8445
gokgs 发表于 2024-06-19 00:03
我觉得中国电车的电池质量肯定有问题, 起火太多了。 美国的就没那么多。

美国电车好多用的都是中国电池吧,连Tesla有些型号都是用中国电池。不懂就不懂,别装专家。
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tuldiyy
实在有顾虑的话,还是别买,买了以后也很难说服自己
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stones
Yes, you are correct. If the gasoline vehicles included in the study are generally older than the electric vehicles, the comparison may indeed be biased. Older vehicles, regardless of their fuel type, are more likely to experience issues that could lead to fires due to factors such as wear and tear, maintenance history, and outdated safety technologies. Here are some key points to consider: Age and Fire Risk: Older vehicles have had more time to accumulate mileage and experience mechanical issues, which can increase the risk of fires. Components like fuel lines, electrical systems, and engines degrade over time, which can contribute to higher fire risks in older vehicles. Study Bias: If the majority of gasoline vehicles in the study are older, while most electric vehicles are newer, the fire risk comparison might not be entirely fair. This discrepancy in vehicle age could artificially inflate the fire risk for gasoline vehicles relative to electric vehicles. Longitudinal Data Needed: To make a more accurate comparison, longitudinal data that tracks vehicles of similar ages and usage patterns over time would be ideal. As electric vehicles age, it will be important to monitor their fire incidence rates to see if they remain lower than those of gasoline vehicles. Current Findings: While current studies suggest that electric vehicles have a lower fire incidence rate than gasoline vehicles, these findings are based on the current fleet, which is skewed towards newer EVs. More comprehensive studies that control for vehicle age and usage would provide a clearer picture of the relative fire risks. In conclusion, while current data suggests that electric vehicles have a lower incidence of fires compared to gasoline vehicles, the potential age bias in the data must be taken into account. As electric vehicles age and accumulate more usage history, continued analysis will be necessary to determine if this trend holds true over the long term.
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hr717
今天看到一句话如醍醐灌顶: If you cannot decide, the answer is NO.
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cr2069
不要试图说服,不然买了还是心里有压力。再加上里程焦虑,何必呢。
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gokgs
美国电车好多用的都是中国电池吧,连Tesla有些型号都是用中国电池。不懂就不懂,别装专家。
wa8445 发表于 2024-06-20 02:42

哈哈, 你是真专家, 我是假的。 你不会觉得 made in china 的 iphone 跟 小米手机质量是一样的吧?
愚昧的要命。