这课学啥？ 她的作品的艺术成就？还是她对人类文明/社会进步/国家经济的影响力？ pop 发表于 2023-11-28 15:17
她的文学功底，创作力，艺术成就绝对是top级别的。 经济层面，她今年的Eras Tour巡演： The Eras Tour is said to have brought in $1 billion for Swift--a record for any tour--and may have boosted the U.S. economy overall by $4.6 billion
她的文学功底，创作力，艺术成就绝对是top级别的。 经济层面，她今年的Eras Tour巡演： The Eras Tour is said to have brought in $1 billion for Swift--a record for any tour--and may have boosted the U.S. economy overall by $4.6 billion valentinemonkey 发表于 2023-11-28 15:28
如果是说从商业方面发展，首先这门课应在开在havard business school wielkacytryna 发表于 2023-11-28 16:11
我还真看了一下这门课的介绍，我的确想错了： “ Taylor swift is a good way to think about what it’s like to have a lot if eyes on you to wonder what you do with your privilege, to look around and ask ‘ I am pretty ambitious and I got to this place when I was pretty young. What do I do next? What do I do with all this attention?” ouch. 哈佛立意果真非凡。
我还真看了一下这门课的介绍，我的确想错了： “ Taylor swift is a good way to think about what it’s like to have a lot if eyes on you to wonder what you do with your privilege, to look around and ask ‘ I am pretty ambitious and I got to this place when I was pretty young. What do I do next? What do I do with all this attention?” ouch. 哈佛立意果真非凡。 shoppingisfun 发表于 2023-11-28 16:36
我还真看了一下这门课的介绍，我的确想错了： “ Taylor swift is a good way to think about what it’s like to have a lot if eyes on you to wonder what you do with your privilege, to look around and ask ‘ I am pretty ambitious and I got to this place when I was pretty young. What do I do next? What do I do with all this attention?” ouch. 哈佛立意果真非凡。 shoppingisfun 发表于 2023-11-28 16:36
https://english.fas.harvard.edu/english-183ts-taylor-swift-and-her-world English 183ts. Taylor Swift and Her World Instructor: Stephanie Burt Monday & Wednesday, 12:00-1:15pm | Location: TBD Course Site The first song on Taylor Swift's first record, released when she was 16, paid homage (by name) to a more established country artist. Today she's the most recognizable country-- or formerly country? or pop?-- artist in North America, if not the world: her songwriting takes in half a dozen genres, and her economic impact changes cities. We will move through Swift's own catalogue, including hits, deep cuts, outtakes, re-recordings, considering songwriting as its own art, distinct from poems recited or silently read. We will learn how to study fan culture, celebrity culture, adolescence, adulthood and appropriation; how to think about white texts, Southern texts, transatlantic texts, and queer subtexts. We will learn how to think about illicit affairs, and hoaxes, champagne problems and incomplete closure. We will look at her precursors, from Dolly Parton to the Border Ballads, and at work about her (such as the documentary "Miss Americana"). And we will read literary works important to her and works about song and performance, with novels, memoirs and poems by (among others) Willa Cather, James Weldon Johnson, Tracey Thorn, and William Wordsworth.
https://english.fas.harvard.edu/english-183ts-taylor-swift-and-her-world English 183ts. Taylor Swift and Her World Instructor: Stephanie Burt Monday & Wednesday, 12:00-1:15pm | Location: TBD Course Site The first song on Taylor Swift's first record, released when she was 16, paid homage (by name) to a more established country artist. Today she's the most recognizable country-- or formerly country? or pop?-- artist in North America, if not the world: her songwriting takes in half a dozen genres, and her economic impact changes cities. We will move through Swift's own catalogue, including hits, deep cuts, outtakes, re-recordings, considering songwriting as its own art, distinct from poems recited or silently read. We will learn how to study fan culture, celebrity culture, adolescence, adulthood and appropriation; how to think about white texts, Southern texts, transatlantic texts, and queer subtexts. We will learn how to think about illicit affairs, and hoaxes, champagne problems and incomplete closure. We will look at her precursors, from Dolly Parton to the Border Ballads, and at work about her (such as the documentary "Miss Americana"). And we will read literary works important to her and works about song and performance, with novels, memoirs and poems by (among others) Willa Cather, James Weldon Johnson, Tracey Thorn, and William Wordsworth. fridec2 发表于 2023-11-28 16:56
https://english.fas.harvard.edu/english-183ts-taylor-swift-and-her-world English 183ts. Taylor Swift and Her World Instructor: Stephanie Burt Monday & Wednesday, 12:00-1:15pm | Location: TBD Course Site The first song on Taylor Swift's first record, released when she was 16, paid homage (by name) to a more established country artist. Today she's the most recognizable country-- or formerly country? or pop?-- artist in North America, if not the world: her songwriting takes in half a dozen genres, and her economic impact changes cities. We will move through Swift's own catalogue, including hits, deep cuts, outtakes, re-recordings, considering songwriting as its own art, distinct from poems recited or silently read. We will learn how to study fan culture, celebrity culture, adolescence, adulthood and appropriation; how to think about white texts, Southern texts, transatlantic texts, and queer subtexts. We will learn how to think about illicit affairs, and hoaxes, champagne problems and incomplete closure. We will look at her precursors, from Dolly Parton to the Border Ballads, and at work about her (such as the documentary "Miss Americana"). And we will read literary works important to her and works about song and performance, with novels, memoirs and poems by (among others) Willa Cather, James Weldon Johnson, Tracey Thorn, and William Wordsworth. fridec2 发表于 2023-11-28 16:56
https://english.fas.harvard.edu/english-183ts-taylor-swift-and-her-world English 183ts. Taylor Swift and Her World Instructor: Stephanie Burt Monday & Wednesday, 12:00-1:15pm | Location: TBD Course Site The first song on Taylor Swift's first record, released when she was 16, paid homage (by name) to a more established country artist. Today she's the most recognizable country-- or formerly country? or pop?-- artist in North America, if not the world: her songwriting takes in half a dozen genres, and her economic impact changes cities. We will move through Swift's own catalogue, including hits, deep cuts, outtakes, re-recordings, considering songwriting as its own art, distinct from poems recited or silently read. We will learn how to study fan culture, celebrity culture, adolescence, adulthood and appropriation; how to think about white texts, Southern texts, transatlantic texts, and queer subtexts. We will learn how to think about illicit affairs, and hoaxes, champagne problems and incomplete closure. We will look at her precursors, from Dolly Parton to the Border Ballads, and at work about her (such as the documentary "Miss Americana"). And we will read literary works important to her and works about song and performance, with novels, memoirs and poems by (among others) Willa Cather, James Weldon Johnson, Tracey Thorn, and William Wordsworth. fridec2 发表于 2023-11-28 16:56
我还真看了一下这门课的介绍，我的确想错了： “ Taylor swift is a good way to think about what it’s like to have a lot if eyes on you to wonder what you do with your privilege, to look around and ask ‘ I am pretty ambitious and I got to this place when I was pretty young. What do I do next? What do I do with all this attention?” ouch. 哈佛立意果真非凡。 shoppingisfun 发表于 2023-11-28 16:36
她真正精彩的活出自我了， 碧昂斯还是很传统的，以家庭为重。
还有从文学角度，比如You belong with me， 歌词极其言简意赅的表达了两女一男的故事，比如金发popular sexy 女 vs.棕发文静有内涵的女生，这个组合在超级多的文学和影视作品里。完全可以展开讨论。
当然还有音乐角度了！这个我不太懂，但肯定有很多可以讨论的啊！比如她一开始是乡村歌手，后来变流行。她对乡村和流行音乐的贡献以及创新，很值得研究啊。
总之她现在已经是现象级了。就像哈利波特一样，当年大学刚开哈利波特课的时候，也是一片哗然，现在都习惯了。
她的文学功底，创作力，艺术成就绝对是top级别的。 经济层面，她今年的Eras Tour巡演： The Eras Tour is said to have brought in $1 billion for Swift--a record for any tour--and may have boosted the U.S. economy overall by $4.6 billion
她歌词写的很好吗？ 去围观下。
话说这个课也讲她personal world吗，哈哈
她的音乐作品一直在创新，但都保留了自己的特色，从10岁就开始坚定得走这条路这么持之以恒坚持创作并且每一张专辑都大卖的女歌手全世界没几个。
有一期Bloomberg的封面就是她，配词：Taylor Swift is the music industry. 可以探讨一下她带动的经济现象。
我觉得她通常用短短一句话就可以概括一个意境，比那些口水歌歌手好太多。 这个是比较老的总结了: https://www.buzzfeed.com/andriamoore/taylor-swifts-most-poetic-lyrics
流行歌手就别互相嘲笑了，100年以后taylor swift就查无此人了 。beatles也就60年前，现在还有多少人听？
真的无语 按照这个逻辑华晨宇也可以在北大开课了😅 因为是白人华人大妈就觉得没问题，讽刺得很
以前听 NPR 有一回讲大学里用 Seinfeld 里面的例子讲经济学问题， 很生动， 也很深刻。
举例子和开课是两回事 我大学还有同学paper写卡迪比对美国文化的影响呢 没在美国上过大学吧？
举例子和开课差多了
清华北大根本不会让这种级别的开课。美国是真堕落。什么哈耶普，scotus，全都是钱堆起来的名利场
就是开了门课 呀。
你这阅读理解能力 大专及以下？
她的确赚了很多钱，但钱是衡量一个人成功最基本的标杆。男女都一样，承认她成功不难吧。
你不听Beatles？
我听贝多芬😅没文化的最大表现就是装逼都不会装。
如果是说从商业方面发展，首先这门课应在开在havard business school
怎么能跟Bob Dylan比，简直是羞辱。 山中无老虎，猴子称大王。
最装逼的莫过于你，Taylor对音乐界有没有贡献不是你说了算哦，跟不上时代不是你的错
哈哈哈，taylor粉知道贝多芬吗？听过吗？
这个课就是研究流行音乐产业，怎么组合她的写歌能力+资本+营销，有什么background，采取什么strategy，有什么impact等等。 个人可以对某个歌手有喜好很理解，但作为研究一种现象，还是要从大众的角度来看待这个问题。
早就有了！还早就有课讲 麦当娜，Beyonce, Jay Z, Prince, Kenye West(!), Lady Gaga.
这么多华人娃儿钢琴小提琴，转头就来一曲的，你说他们没听过贝多芬？
那还用说，演唱会门票秒gone
真能装！听个音乐还听出鄙视链了。
应该是学人家怎样做marketing，怎样engage 粉丝吧
原来是我太落伍了
你这说法才让人觉得无知好笑
明白了，所以就是一种营销，开这门课的老师是个营销人才，用taylor swift作为名头就吸引了眼球，比开门课叫做流行音乐产业研究的要引人注目多了，上了新闻，那肯定要爆满了。其实并不是taylor swift多么伟大，而是她的名声正好能借来一用。
我还真看了一下这门课的介绍，我的确想错了： “ Taylor swift is a good way to think about what it’s like to have a lot if eyes on you to wonder what you do with your privilege, to look around and ask ‘ I am pretty ambitious and I got to this place when I was pretty young. What do I do next? What do I do with all this attention?” ouch. 哈佛立意果真非凡。
这。。。感觉好像是研究这么一个主题，如果你中了1个亿应该怎么花？应该如何看待自己突然的财富和应该如何看待周围人对我态度的改变？lol 貌似首先得中了奖才能上的一门课吧
本来就有鄙视链啊，我在论坛上说过好多遍了，觉得郭敬明和莫言是一个level的，只能说明你没文化。这么简单的道理只有没文化的人才理解不了。
我懒得去搜这种垃圾课的介绍了，按你这个描述应该是philosophy课，不是我看不起人，真怀疑你们有没有上过大学。
好大的口气啊， 那你是啥学校毕业的？ 比哈佛还好点？ 还有phd们表示太受伤害了。
那肯定是理工科的phd
English 183ts. Taylor Swift and Her World
Instructor: Stephanie Burt Monday & Wednesday, 12:00-1:15pm | Location: TBD Course Site
The first song on Taylor Swift's first record, released when she was 16, paid homage (by name) to a more established country artist. Today she's the most recognizable country-- or formerly country? or pop?-- artist in North America, if not the world: her songwriting takes in half a dozen genres, and her economic impact changes cities.
We will move through Swift's own catalogue, including hits, deep cuts, outtakes, re-recordings, considering songwriting as its own art, distinct from poems recited or silently read.
We will learn how to study fan culture, celebrity culture, adolescence, adulthood and appropriation; how to think about white texts, Southern texts, transatlantic texts, and queer subtexts.
We will learn how to think about illicit affairs, and hoaxes, champagne problems and incomplete closure.
We will look at her precursors, from Dolly Parton to the Border Ballads, and at work about her (such as the documentary "Miss Americana").
And we will read literary works important to her and works about song and performance, with novels, memoirs and poems by (among others) Willa Cather, James Weldon Johnson, Tracey Thorn, and William Wordsworth.
看了这课程简介，只能说哈佛确实退化了。
查了一下，这老师居然还是个变形人 很符合这门课
哈哈，我很想上这个课！
理工科的phd 难道是permanent head damage, 不是 Doctor of Philosophy？
harvard本科生的课只有哪儿的人去开的问题，不存在开在哪儿的问题。
华人大妈屁颠屁颠给小孩交学费都上不了的学校。当然开什么课都是香的。
她为什么那么红？确实值得好好研究研究。
开不了几个学期就被黑粉炒关门了吧。希望这个老师脑子好点别拉踩别的明星。
这段话是我引用的开课教师的话，解释为啥想给哈佛学生开这个课，因为他们就是和Taylor一样，young ambitious and privileged.
扎心了扎心了。
Her ex ex ex ex ex-boyfriends made a part of her success
太无知了
这楼里很多无知，想当然，又自以为是的大妈
Swift的超级成功是奇迹一般的存在，是非常值得研究的
能学到很多东西
至于么，一门课而已，我还选过歌剧课呢，干啥不去校外上呢，不就图个乐子冲个学分，大学free electives就这目的啊啊。要是没人选她就开不了，min 10？能过min就说明这课能挣回本了，给英语系创个收也挺好，非要跟西佛一样等关门更傻。
哈哈
我也想说，一个高中都没毕业的人比大把高学历出身的artists都成功，甚至是当下世俗意义上最成功的歌手和娱乐人物，确实值得研究一下。 另外想到了中国演艺圈现在推新人时特别痴迷营销学霸高学历，文化程度高低给你拔起来，殊不知这玩意在真学霸面前压根就没法装，还不如好好学习下学历不高的情况下怎么样leverage自己的能力。
无他，就是这门课里讨论的东西太浅了。因为离得时代近，所以这门课里提出的很多问题基本稍做调查很容易得出结论。也就是说学到的东西不会很多，干货很少。
她的歌是听过最没歌味的歌，儿歌风格，朗朗上口词调都简单，易唱顺口
听说很多地方为了驱赶homeless，用的就是贝多芬等古典音乐 话说贝多芬 巴赫 这些我最多听不超过10分钟，而且据我观察听古典音乐并没有让人变高雅
学历跟艺术无关的，艺术家，画家也好音乐家也罢没有人会把学历作为自己自豪的点的。反而市井人士确实更容易成功，为啥，接地气啊，知道世俗的人在想什么，想要什么。内娱那些就更好笑了，演技都不行在营销学霸，是确实没有其他营销的点了啊
是，各种创新第一次，至少是勇敢的女性，而且还这么年轻，小到10岁以下上到80都喜欢她的歌
我基本没get过莓莓的歌，尤其她乡村转流行之后。莓莓是大牌歌星里最没歌味的，电台里一听到她的歌我就要换台。 就歌曲的可听性而言，洗牙姐对莓莓是降维打击。洗牙姐的每首歌我都有收录，而莓莓的一首没有。
某大妈的发言一向无知 武断 还经常得很多高赞 😂
如果论受欢迎程度和商业掘金能力，莓莓远超象腿。如果论流行音乐界的江湖地位，莓莓还差的远。象腿32个Grammys，莓莓目前12个Grammys。虽然象腿在音乐圈有Jay-Z大力支持，但不可否认她还是很有实力的。
这里不少人认为但凡不跟找工作直接相关的课，开了都是浪费
倒不是找不找工作，我觉得这就是一个讲座级别探讨性质的东西，谈不上课。以前学校里开很多讲座，这顶多就是一个三次的讲座，一堆人来奇葩说一下。伦理学是一门课。
还有演唱会每到一处拉动当地的GDP啊！
你想笑死我，变形人？
lisa卖弄屁股就是骚浪贱 taylor swift n个前男友也是独立女性
前面说的没错 最后一句是因为阶级问题
大妈眼里：白人女歌手+哈佛哪怕就是开个cannabis课都是正确的✔
谁是象腿？