不懂，你说以色列怎么把外面的巴勒斯坦人往里驱赶，从哪里驱赶到哪里？ 还有，你说法律上规定非犹太人都是非国民是怎么回事？你指阿拉伯人巴勒斯坦人不能成以色列国民？ From Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_citizenship_law#:~:text=Individuals%20born%20within%20the%20country,knowledge%20in%20the%20Hebrew%20language. "Individuals born within the country receive Israeli citizenship at birth if at least one parent is a citizen. Non-Jewish foreigners may naturalize after living in the country for at least three years while holding permanent residency and demonstrating knowledge in the Hebrew language."
就我所知，以色列最高法庭都有阿拉伯人(狗来的）： Khaled Kabub (Arabic: خالد كبوب, Hebrew: חאלד כבוב, born 1958) is an Israeli-Arab judge. Kabub was appointed in 2022 at the Supreme Court of Israel becoming its first Muslim member to be permanently appointed (Abdel Rahman Zuabi was briefly a justice in 1999 on a temporary appointment) Balad (Hebrew: בָּלַ״ד) is an Arab political party in Israel led by Sami Abu Shehadeh.
回复 100楼wanjunli2022的帖子 Listen to former Israeli officials such as Brig. Gen. Yitzhak Segev, who was the Israeli military governor in Gaza in the early 1980s. Segev later told a New York Times reporter that he had helped finance the Palestinian Islamist movement as a “counterweight” to the secularists and leftists of the Palestine Liberation Organization and the Fatah party, led by Yasser Arafat (who himself referred to Hamas as “a creature of Israel.”) “The Israeli government gave me a budget,” the retired brigadier general confessed, “and the military government gives to the mosques.” “Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel’s creation,” Avner Cohen, a former Israeli religious affairs official who worked in Gaza for more than two decades, told the Wall Street Journal in 2009. Back in the mid-1980s, Cohen even wrote an official report to his superiors warning them not to play divide-and-rule in the Occupied Territories, by backing Palestinian Islamists against Palestinian secularists. “I … suggest focusing our efforts on finding ways to break up this monster before this reality jumps in our face,” he wrote. 这都是已经个大媒体多少年前就已经报导过的事情了 而且这有啥稀奇的？ 宾拉登和基地组织还是美国一手扶持调教出来的 西方人就喜欢做这种事情
How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB123275572295011847 补个链接 面对世俗派的不极端的愿意谈判的巴解组织，以色列不愿意谈， 为了分化削弱巴解组织，以色列自己去资助扶持创建了哈马斯 现在又以哈马斯极端为理由，继续不愿意谈，这不是扯淡吗？ 傻子都能看出来以色列就是在找借口，就是想继续不断侵占巴勒斯坦人的领土 这版上几个真心别洗了，没得洗
How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB123275572295011847 补个链接 面对世俗派的不极端的愿意谈判的巴解组织，以色列不愿意谈， 为了分化削弱巴解组织，以色列自己去资助扶持创建了哈马斯 现在又以哈马斯极端为理由，继续不愿意谈，这不是扯淡吗？ 傻子都能看出来以色列就是在找借口，就是想继续不断侵占巴勒斯坦人的领土 这版上几个真心别洗了，没得洗
Namama 发表于 2023-10-29 17:35
你知道WSJ发表的是什么吗？是作者自己的意见，多方面作者都有的，其实你这个链接我没法看(pay wall)，但是你如果要靠WSJ这么一篇文章是没说一点点服力的。你那文章最多就是给订WSJ的人消遣的。 我已经说了也给了你公众的wiki链接，Hamas一开始（1997-1998）就是以消灭以色列为目的的，以色列自己资助扶持创建了哈马斯不和任何逻辑。以色列希望削减PLO是可能的，counterweight PLO play divide-and-rule 然后有些资金不巧落到哈马斯手里也有可能的，但说以色列自己去资助扶持创建了哈马斯是非常没有道理的。 哈马斯好多资金估计来自各国的帮助加沙基建的援助，按你逻辑就成了是各国“资助扶持创建了哈马斯”。 英文的wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas Founded in 1988 during the First Intifada as an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas set two long-term goals, articulated in its charter: the end of the Jewish state and the creation of an Islamic state from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea (aka river to the sea） "The 2017 charter accepted for the first time the idea of a Palestinian state within the borders that existed before 1967 and rejects recognition of Israel which it terms as the “Zionist enemy”. It advocates such a state as transitional but also advocates “liberation of all of Palestine”， The new document also states that the group doesn’t seek war with the Jewish people but only against Zionism which it holds responsible for “occupation of Palestine”. wiki 的分析结论是这样的： The updated 2017 charter attempts to moderate Hamas’s image by stating that Hamas is not anti-Jewish but anti-Zionist, but retains the goal of completely eliminating Israel“ 中文wiki没更新过： https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%93%88%E9%A9%AC%E6%96%AF 基本和英文等同，重大区别如下： “2017年5月1日，哈马斯发布了新的政治纲领，明确表示哈马斯接受“以1967年边界为基础建立独立的巴勒斯坦国”，文件中没有出现“消灭以色列”的表述，然而强调其斗争目标是“犹太复国主义者”，而不是所有犹太人[28]。”
回复 116楼wanjunli2022的帖子 呵呵，你要不要再翻上去看看是谁在对NYT/WSJ这么说的？ Brig. Gen. Yitzhak Segev, who was the Israeli military governor in Gaza in the early 1980s 这是哈马斯崛起阶段，以色列驻加沙占领军的最高负责人 以色列给哈马斯经费的直接经手人 The Israeli government gave me a budget,” the retired brigadier general confessed, “and the military government gives to the mosques.” 这你都不信，那确实没啥能说服你了 你自己开心就好
回复 116楼wanjunli2022的帖子 呵呵，你要不要再翻上去看看是谁在对NYT/WSJ这么说的？ Brig. Gen. Yitzhak Segev, who was the Israeli military governor in Gaza in the early 1980s 这是哈马斯崛起阶段，以色列驻加沙占领军的最高负责人 以色列给哈马斯经费的直接经手人 The Israeli government gave me a budget,” the retired brigadier general confessed, “and the military government gives to the mosques.” 这你都不信，那确实没啥能说服你了 你自己开心就好
Namama 发表于 2023-10-29 19:27
你是指这篇文章吧,在theintercept.com上也有： https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/ 你自己也说了，文章讲的时间是early 1980s， 哈马斯成立是1988. 当时根本没有哈马斯和要摧毁以色列的宗旨。你连时间都没搞清楚。当时资助的是 precursor to Hamas. 嗯，你自己开心就好
回复 116楼wanjunli2022的帖子 呵呵，你要不要再翻上去看看是谁在对NYT/WSJ这么说的？ Brig. Gen. Yitzhak Segev, who was the Israeli military governor in Gaza in the early 1980s 这是哈马斯崛起阶段，以色列驻加沙占领军的最高负责人 以色列给哈马斯经费的直接经手人 The Israeli government gave me a budget,” the retired brigadier general confessed, “and the military government gives to the mosques.” 这你都不信，那确实没啥能说服你了 你自己开心就好
Namama 发表于 2023-10-29 19:27
哈马斯正式成立并宣布“灭以色列”的纲领是1988年: Founded in 1988 during the First Intifada as an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas set two long-term goals, articulated in its charter: the end of the Jewish state and the creation of an Islamic state from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea (aka river to the sea） 你说的这个给钱是80年代初。 退一万步，就算是以色列在还不知道哈马斯会打出“灭以色列”纲领的时候给了钱，和美国当初给了基地组织钱一样——最后成为恐怖组织的基地组织现在怎么样了？ 另外，前面网友问你的那4个问题，你东拉西扯转移话题但一个也没回答呢？ 哈马斯的纲领和宗旨是以色列灭国、他自己从河到海。你让以色列怎么支持订这个纲领的哈马斯发展？支持他发展起来灭自己吗？ 你是以色列的话，你会怎么做？而以色列是怎么做的？
回复 121楼Namama的帖子 你这号被人问住恼羞成怒的也就会人身攻击了 “哈马斯正式成立并宣布“灭以色列”的纲领是1988年: Founded in 1988 during the First Intifada as an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas set two long-term goals, articulated in its charter: the end of the Jewish state and the creation of an Islamic state from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea (aka river to the sea） 你说的这个给钱是80年代初。 退一万步，就算是以色列在还不知道哈马斯会打出“灭以色列”纲领的时候给了钱，和美国当初给了基地组织钱一样——最后成为恐怖组织的基地组织现在怎么样了？ 另外，前面网友问你的那4个问题，你东拉西扯转移话题但一个也没回答呢？ 哈马斯的纲领和宗旨是以色列灭国、他自己从河到海。你让以色列怎么支持订这个纲领的哈马斯发展？支持他发展起来灭自己吗？ 你是以色列的话，你会怎么做？而以色列是怎么做的？
In 1986, a year before Hamas was formed, Israel's military governor of Gaza, General Yitzhak Segev, acknowledged that “We extend some financial aid to Islamic groups via mosques and religious schools in order to help create a force that would stand against the leftist forces which support the PLO.” 真的，别洗了 哈马斯就是以色列资助扶持下创立的
In 1986, a year before Hamas was formed, Israel''''''''''''''''s military governor of Gaza, General Yitzhak Segev, acknowledged that “We extend some financial aid to Islamic groups via mosques and religious schools in order to help create a force that would stand against the leftist forces which support the PLO.” 真的，别洗了 哈马斯就是以色列资助扶持下创立的
顺便再给某些人扫扫盲，补补基本历史 On June 1, 1988, two months before Hamas adopted its infamous 1988 charter that called for Israel’s destruction, Hamas leader Mahmoud al-Zahar submitted a peace proposal to Yitzhak Rabin, the then-Israeli Minister of Defense. If Israel wanted peace, it had to withdraw from the Occupied Territories, release Palestinian detainees, restore Palestinian rights, and allow Palestinians to name their own representatives. Hamas’s founder, Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, similarly agreed to negotiate with Israel if it first acknowledged the Palestinian people’s right to self-determination and the right of return to their land. 这都是很合理的诉求，奈何以色列根本不理 以色列资助扶持哈马斯是为了分化巴解组织，又不是为了和他们谈判，更不可能在巴勒斯坦问题上让步 一个个基本历史常识都没有就拼命来回给以色列洗地，呵呵
顺便再给某些人扫扫盲，补补基本历史 On June 1, 1988, two months before Hamas adopted its infamous 1988 charter that called for Israel’s destruction, Hamas leader Mahmoud al-Zahar submitted a peace proposal to Yitzhak Rabin, the then-Israeli Minister of Defense. If Israel wanted peace, it had to withdraw from the Occupied Territories, release Palestinian detainees, restore Palestinian rights, and allow Palestinians to name their own representatives. Hamas’s founder, Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, similarly agreed to negotiate with Israel if it first acknowledged the Palestinian people’s right to self-determination and the right of return to their land. 这都是很合理的诉求，奈何以色列根本不理 以色列资助扶持哈马斯是为了分化巴解组织，又不是为了和他们谈判，更不可能在巴勒斯坦问题上让步 一个个基本历史常识都没有就拼命来回给以色列洗地，呵呵
Namama 发表于 2023-10-29 20:41
你贴原链接吧。这样看得到时间，背景和上下文还有出处。你要教人历史可不能这么东一句西一句的，历史老师可不会这么教学的。 P。S。你正好证明了我的观点，哈马斯耍弄了以色列，用以色列的资金(early 1980s and forward)用于发展自己的precuror，到了最后才披露了真正的charter。而不是你暗指的以色列明知哈马斯要灭了以色列还帮着创建它。 stick with the facts and keep the snarky comments to yourself.
不懂，你说以色列怎么把外面的巴勒斯坦人往里驱赶，从哪里驱赶到哪里？ 还有，你说法律上规定非犹太人都是非国民是怎么回事？你指阿拉伯人巴勒斯坦人不能成以色列国民？
From Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_citizenship_law#:~:text=Individuals%20born%20within%20the%20country,knowledge%20in%20the%20Hebrew%20language.
"Individuals born within the country receive Israeli citizenship at birth if at least one parent is a citizen. Non-Jewish foreigners may naturalize after living in the country for at least three years while holding permanent residency and demonstrating knowledge in the Hebrew language."
就我所知，以色列最高法庭都有阿拉伯人(狗来的）：
Khaled Kabub (Arabic: خالد كبوب, Hebrew: חאלד כבוב, born 1958) is an Israeli-Arab judge. Kabub was appointed in 2022 at the Supreme Court of Israel becoming its first Muslim member to be permanently appointed (Abdel Rahman Zuabi was briefly a justice in 1999 on a temporary appointment)
Balad (Hebrew: בָּלַ״ד) is an Arab political party in Israel led by Sami Abu Shehadeh.
如果Wiki都是错的，麻烦你贴一下你正确的链接吧
可能就是大家一起凑热闹打两拳，能抢到东西就抢一点，抢不到就走人
巴勒斯坦人就算在缠头里面也是狗都嫌的那种，黎巴嫩和约旦以前都接纳过不少巴勒斯坦难民啊，结果咋样大家也都看到了。。。
有接收的啊，周围几个国家：约旦，黎巴嫩，埃及，前两个都收过巴勒斯坦兄弟，结果约旦老国王被这些人整死了，黎巴嫩被这些人整的国家分裂了，埃及政府把哈马斯的本部穆斯林兄弟会定为恐怖组织。到现在没人敢要，只能是待在加沙吃国际救济、然后被哈马斯用教义纲领洗了脑使劲生孩子搞自杀恐怖袭击圣战“从河到海”
不谈立场，只是指出你事实上的错误。
2021年，加沙的生育率是3.9。这还是这几年下降的结果。之前最高的时期是5.8。加沙一直是世界上生育率最高的地区。
其次，加沙的人口中，一半都是十八岁以下的。就算是驱赶也是驱赶成年人口。哪有把一帮婴儿驱赶过去的道理？
第三，加沙的预期寿命并不低。联合国的数据是73岁。这也证明加沙人并不比其他地方死的更早。
Listen to former Israeli officials such as Brig. Gen. Yitzhak Segev, who was the Israeli military governor in Gaza in the early 1980s. Segev later told a New York Times reporter that he had helped finance the Palestinian Islamist movement as a “counterweight” to the secularists and leftists of the Palestine Liberation Organization and the Fatah party, led by Yasser Arafat (who himself referred to Hamas as “a creature of Israel.”)
“The Israeli government gave me a budget,” the retired brigadier general confessed, “and the military government gives to the mosques.”
“Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel’s creation,” Avner Cohen, a former Israeli religious affairs official who worked in Gaza for more than two decades, told the Wall Street Journal in 2009. Back in the mid-1980s, Cohen even wrote an official report to his superiors warning them not to play divide-and-rule in the Occupied Territories, by backing Palestinian Islamists against Palestinian secularists. “I … suggest focusing our efforts on finding ways to break up this monster before this reality jumps in our face,” he wrote.
这都是已经个大媒体多少年前就已经报导过的事情了
而且这有啥稀奇的？ 宾拉登和基地组织还是美国一手扶持调教出来的 西方人就喜欢做这种事情
补个链接
面对世俗派的不极端的愿意谈判的巴解组织，以色列不愿意谈， 为了分化削弱巴解组织，以色列自己去资助扶持创建了哈马斯
现在又以哈马斯极端为理由，继续不愿意谈，这不是扯淡吗？ 傻子都能看出来以色列就是在找借口，就是想继续不断侵占巴勒斯坦人的领土
这版上几个真心别洗了，没得洗
这又是犹太媒体的胡扯
巴勒斯坦当年号称是奥斯曼帝国的精华。在以色列人鸠占鹊巢之前，巴勒斯坦是整个阿拉伯世界收入和教育水平最高的地方
也因此才被犹太复国主义者选为鸠占鹊巢的首选地点。
在以色列连续70年的围困和灭绝下，巴勒斯坦才变成今天这个样子
以色列天天把巴勒斯坦人"还没有到赤贫"当做给以色列占领军洗地的理由，是彻底的颠倒黑白。
正是以色列人夺走了巴勒斯坦人本来的生活。
中东国家光靠石油，就生活得非常滋润，本身有什么能耐？
如果不是靠天吃饭，其实也跟亚非拉差不多
家暴男打人，然后说女的没工作没气质蓬头垢面连邻居都嫌弃她。
你知道WSJ发表的是什么吗？是作者自己的意见，多方面作者都有的，其实你这个链接我没法看(pay wall)，但是你如果要靠WSJ这么一篇文章是没说一点点服力的。你那文章最多就是给订WSJ的人消遣的。
我已经说了也给了你公众的wiki链接，Hamas一开始（1997-1998）就是以消灭以色列为目的的，以色列自己资助扶持创建了哈马斯不和任何逻辑。以色列希望削减PLO是可能的，counterweight PLO play divide-and-rule 然后有些资金不巧落到哈马斯手里也有可能的，但说以色列自己去资助扶持创建了哈马斯是非常没有道理的。
哈马斯好多资金估计来自各国的帮助加沙基建的援助，按你逻辑就成了是各国“资助扶持创建了哈马斯”。
英文的wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas
Founded in 1988 during the First Intifada as an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas set two long-term goals, articulated in its charter: the end of the Jewish state and the creation of an Islamic state from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea (aka river to the sea）
"The 2017 charter accepted for the first time the idea of a Palestinian state within the borders that existed before 1967 and rejects recognition of Israel which it terms as the “Zionist enemy”. It advocates such a state as transitional but also advocates “liberation of all of Palestine”， The new document also states that the group doesn’t seek war with the Jewish people but only against Zionism which it holds responsible for “occupation of Palestine”. wiki 的分析结论是这样的：
The updated 2017 charter attempts to moderate Hamas’s image by stating that Hamas is not anti-Jewish but anti-Zionist, but retains the goal of completely eliminating Israel“
中文wiki没更新过： https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%93%88%E9%A9%AC%E6%96%AF 基本和英文等同，重大区别如下： “2017年5月1日，哈马斯发布了新的政治纲领，明确表示哈马斯接受“以1967年边界为基础建立独立的巴勒斯坦国”，文件中没有出现“消灭以色列”的表述，然而强调其斗争目标是“犹太复国主义者”，而不是所有犹太人[28]。”
呵呵，你要不要再翻上去看看是谁在对NYT/WSJ这么说的？
Brig. Gen. Yitzhak Segev, who was the Israeli military governor in Gaza in the early 1980s
这是哈马斯崛起阶段，以色列驻加沙占领军的最高负责人 以色列给哈马斯经费的直接经手人
The Israeli government gave me a budget,” the retired brigadier general confessed, “and the military government gives to the mosques.”
这你都不信，那确实没啥能说服你了 你自己开心就好
你是指这篇文章吧,在theintercept.com上也有：
https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/
你自己也说了，文章讲的时间是early 1980s， 哈马斯成立是1988. 当时根本没有哈马斯和要摧毁以色列的宗旨。你连时间都没搞清楚。当时资助的是 precursor to Hamas.
嗯，你自己开心就好
哈马斯正式成立并宣布“灭以色列”的纲领是1988年:
Founded in 1988 during the First Intifada as an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas set two long-term goals, articulated in its charter: the end of the Jewish state and the creation of an Islamic state from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea (aka river to the sea）
你说的这个给钱是80年代初。
退一万步，就算是以色列在还不知道哈马斯会打出“灭以色列”纲领的时候给了钱，和美国当初给了基地组织钱一样——最后成为恐怖组织的基地组织现在怎么样了？
另外，前面网友问你的那4个问题，你东拉西扯转移话题但一个也没回答呢？
哈马斯的纲领和宗旨是以色列灭国、他自己从河到海。你让以色列怎么支持订这个纲领的哈马斯发展？支持他发展起来灭自己吗？
你是以色列的话，你会怎么做？而以色列是怎么做的？
你这号被人问住恼羞成怒的也就会人身攻击了
“哈马斯正式成立并宣布“灭以色列”的纲领是1988年:
Founded in 1988 during the First Intifada as an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas set two long-term goals, articulated in its charter: the end of the Jewish state and the creation of an Islamic state from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea (aka river to the sea）
你说的这个给钱是80年代初。
退一万步，就算是以色列在还不知道哈马斯会打出“灭以色列”纲领的时候给了钱，和美国当初给了基地组织钱一样——最后成为恐怖组织的基地组织现在怎么样了？
另外，前面网友问你的那4个问题，你东拉西扯转移话题但一个也没回答呢？
哈马斯的纲领和宗旨是以色列灭国、他自己从河到海。你让以色列怎么支持订这个纲领的哈马斯发展？支持他发展起来灭自己吗？
你是以色列的话，你会怎么做？而以色列是怎么做的？
In 1986, a year before Hamas was formed, Israel's military governor of Gaza, General Yitzhak Segev, acknowledged that “We extend some financial aid to Islamic groups via mosques and religious schools in order to help create a force that would stand against the leftist forces which support the PLO.”
真的，别洗了 哈马斯就是以色列资助扶持下创立的
你的意思就是哈马斯不是在1987-1988年成立的对吧？那你去把wiki改了吧。
国共当时还合作呢，有啥奇怪在以色列当时在1986年给哈马斯 precursor资助。当时没有哈马斯，也没有灭以色列的charter. 事实就是事实,
2017年哈马斯的charter就改了但说以色列是transitional的，明天它如果把消灭以色列这个宗旨取消了就可以跟PLO一起和以色列谈判了。
不讲时间和背景，一开始就这么断然说容易误导人。
在我看来，是哈马斯隐瞒了自己的目的，比以色列人更高明，而不是以色列人明知哈马斯要灭以色列还扶持它。
其实17年也没改。
哈马斯现在用的2017年最新版纲领相关文字全文：
“巴勒斯坦是从东方的约旦河直到西方的地中海，从北方的拉斯纳库拉（Ras al-Naqurah）到南方的乌姆拉什拉什，是不可分割的地域单元。”
“以色列”的建立完全不合法，践踏了巴勒斯坦人民神圣不可侵犯的权利，既违背巴勒斯坦人民的意愿，也违背全体穆斯林的意愿，还侵犯了国际公法保护的人权——尤其是自治自决的权利。
绝不容许承认锡安主义政权有任何合法性”
“哈马斯相信，无论在何种理由、环境和压力下，也无论被占领多久，都没有任何一片巴勒斯坦土地可以被妥协割让。哈马斯只接受从约旦河到地中海的巴勒斯坦国土充分完全的解放。”
后面加的那个“1967年边界”哈马斯自己也不当真，经济学人记者前几天在多哈采访的哈马斯的高级官员直接在采访里确认了哈马斯不可能承认以色列的存在。
希望这次他们会修改吧，不过从长久的世界和平起见，更希望消停了以后哈马斯能和平解散，由比较不那么极端的阿拉伯组织来接手加沙（消停了以后极端的以色列当局也该换一换了）
当然这种国际大事我们这些小老百姓说了也不算就是了
因为以色列认为他们长大了大概率会成为哈马斯战士，不会区别对待
顺便再给某些人扫扫盲，补补基本历史
On June 1, 1988, two months before Hamas adopted its infamous 1988 charter that called for Israel’s destruction, Hamas leader Mahmoud al-Zahar submitted a peace proposal to Yitzhak Rabin, the then-Israeli Minister of Defense.
If Israel wanted peace, it had to withdraw from the Occupied Territories, release Palestinian detainees, restore Palestinian rights, and allow Palestinians to name their own representatives.
Hamas’s founder, Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, similarly agreed to negotiate with Israel if it first acknowledged the Palestinian people’s right to self-determination and the right of return to their land.
这都是很合理的诉求，奈何以色列根本不理
以色列资助扶持哈马斯是为了分化巴解组织，又不是为了和他们谈判，更不可能在巴勒斯坦问题上让步
一个个基本历史常识都没有就拼命来回给以色列洗地，呵呵
不知道为什么美国对以色列这么纵容？
你贴原链接吧。这样看得到时间，背景和上下文还有出处。你要教人历史可不能这么东一句西一句的，历史老师可不会这么教学的。
P。S。你正好证明了我的观点，哈马斯耍弄了以色列，用以色列的资金(early 1980s and forward)用于发展自己的precuror，到了最后才披露了真正的charter。而不是你暗指的以色列明知哈马斯要灭了以色列还帮着创建它。 stick with the facts and keep the snarky comments to yourself.
你们哪里呀？ 美国政府怎么决策和美国老百姓一点关系都没有