Listen to former Israeli officials such as Brig. Gen. Yitzhak Segev, who was the Israeli military governor in Gaza in the early 1980s. Segev later told a New York Times reporter that he had helped finance the Palestinian Islamist movement as a “counterweight” to the secularists and leftists of the Palestine Liberation Organization and the Fatah party, led by Yasser Arafat (who himself referred to Hamas as “a creature of Israel.”) “The Israeli government gave me a budget,” the retired brigadier general confessed, “and the military government gives to the mosques.” “Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel’s creation,” Avner Cohen, a former Israeli religious affairs official who worked in Gaza for more than two decades, told the Wall Street Journal in 2009. Back in the mid-1980s, Cohen even wrote an official report to his superiors warning them not to play divide-and-rule in the Occupied Territories, by backing Palestinian Islamists against Palestinian secularists. “I … suggest focusing our efforts on finding ways to break up this monster before this reality jumps in our face,” he wrote. They didn’t listen to him
说以色列霸占巴勒斯坦土地的，拉倒吧 只会看中文的大外旋和粉红们不好意思，你们不用看这层，我也懒得搭理你们。 欢迎拿历史反驳纠正，需要说明出处。 1. Before Israel there was a British Mandate, not a Palestinian state 2. Before the British Mandate, it was the Ottoman Empire, not a Palestinian state. 3. Before the Ottoman Empire Was the Islamic State of the Mamluks of Egypt, not a Palestinian state. 4. Before the Islamic State of the Mamluks from Egypt, the Arab-Kurdish Empire was the Ayyubid, not a Palestinian state. 5. Before the Ayyubid Empire was the Frankish and Christian Kingdom of Jerusalem, not a Palestinian state. 6. Before the Kingdom of Jerusalem was the Umayyad and Fatimid empire, not a Palestinian state. 7. Before the Umayyad and Fatimid empires, the Byzantine Empire was not a Palestinian state. 8. Before the Byzantine Empire, there were Sassanids, not a Palestinian state. 9. Before the Sassanid Empire was the Byzantine Empire, not a Palestinian state. 10. Before the Byzantine Empire was the Roman Empire, not a Palestinian state. 11. Before the Roman Empire it was a Hasmonean state, not a Palestinian state. 12. Before the Hasmonean state was the Seleucid, not a Palestinian state. 13. Before the Seleucid Empire was the Empire of Alexander, not a Palestinian state. 14. Before Alexander''s empire it was the Persian Empire, not a Palestinian state. 15. Before the Persian Empire was the Babylonian Empire, not a Palestinian state. 16. Before the Babylonian Empire were the kingdoms of Israel and Judah, not a Palestinian state. 17. Before the kingdoms of Israel and Judah, there was the kingdom of Israel, not a Palestinian state. 18. Before the Kingdom of Israel, the theocracy of the twelve tribes of Israel was not a Palestinian state. 19. Before the theocracy of the twelve tribes of Israel, there was an accumulation of independent Canaanite city-kingdoms, not a Palestinian state. This is the Ancestral homeland of the Jews, the Palestinians (term created in 1947) are Arab migrants from neighboring countries
说以色列霸占巴勒斯坦土地的，拉倒吧 只会看中文的大外旋和粉红们不好意思，你们不用看这层，我也懒得搭理你们。 欢迎拿历史反驳纠正，需要说明出处。 1. Before Israel there was a British Mandate, not a Palestinian state 2. Before the British Mandate, it was the Ottoman Empire, not a Palestinian state. 3. Before the Ottoman Empire Was the Islamic State of the Mamluks of Egypt, not a Palestinian state. 4. Before the Islamic State of the Mamluks from Egypt, the Arab-Kurdish Empire was the Ayyubid, not a Palestinian state. 5. Before the Ayyubid Empire was the Frankish and Christian Kingdom of Jerusalem, not a Palestinian state. 6. Before the Kingdom of Jerusalem was the Umayyad and Fatimid empire, not a Palestinian state. 7. Before the Umayyad and Fatimid empires, the Byzantine Empire was not a Palestinian state. 8. Before the Byzantine Empire, there were Sassanids, not a Palestinian state. 9. Before the Sassanid Empire was the Byzantine Empire, not a Palestinian state. 10. Before the Byzantine Empire was the Roman Empire, not a Palestinian state. 11. Before the Roman Empire it was a Hasmonean state, not a Palestinian state. 12. Before the Hasmonean state was the Seleucid, not a Palestinian state. 13. Before the Seleucid Empire was the Empire of Alexander, not a Palestinian state. 14. Before Alexander''s empire it was the Persian Empire, not a Palestinian state. 15. Before the Persian Empire was the Babylonian Empire, not a Palestinian state. 16. Before the Babylonian Empire were the kingdoms of Israel and Judah, not a Palestinian state. 17. Before the kingdoms of Israel and Judah, there was the kingdom of Israel, not a Palestinian state. 18. Before the Kingdom of Israel, the theocracy of the twelve tribes of Israel was not a Palestinian state. 19. Before the theocracy of the twelve tribes of Israel, there was an accumulation of independent Canaanite city-kingdoms, not a Palestinian state. This is the Ancestral homeland of the Jews, the Palestinians (term created in 1947) are Arab migrants from neighboring countries sbwlys 发表于 2023-10-15 18:54
巴勒斯坦正式表态和哈马斯划清界限清，“哈马斯不代表巴勒斯坦人民“。 以后要改称“哈以冲突“， 很多英文媒体已经不用“巴以冲突”来称呼了 2 hr 42 min ago Palestinian Authority president condemns Hamas attacks on Israel From CNN's Kareem Khadder and Hamdi Alkhshali Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas, in his first clear and stark denouncement of Hamas' attacks on Israel, said the militant group's actions “do not represent the Palestinian people.” “The policies and actions of Hamas do not represent the Palestinian people, and it is the policies, programs, and decisions of the Palestine Liberation Organization that represent the Palestinian people as their legitimate and sole representative,” Abbas said during a phone call with Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro on Sunday, the official Palestinian press agency WAFA reported. Abbas called for an end to civilian casualties, the release of prisoners and a rejection of violence, according to WAFA. During the call, Abbas also emphasized the urgent need for Israel to stop its aggression in Gaza and to immediately protect Gazan civilians by opening a humanitarian corridor for provisions of medical supplies, water, electricity, and fuel to the citizens of Gaza, WAFA reported. Abbas said displacing Palestinians from Gaza would represent “a second catastrophe for the Palestinian people,” WAFA added. Key context: Israel is at war with Hamas, the Palestinian militant group that controls Gaza and carried out devastating terror attacks in Israel earlier this month. Abbas is the leader of the Palestinian Authority, a government body with limited self-rule in the West Bank. It was established in the 1993 Oslo Accords, a peace pact between Israel and the Palestine Liberation Organization that saw the PLO give up armed resistance against Israel in return for promises of an independent Palestinian state. Hamas — which is designated as a terrorist organization by the US, European Union and other countries — presents itself as an alternative to the Palestinian Authority, which has recognized Israel and has engaged in multiple failed peace initiatives with it. You can read more about Hamas and the Palestinian Authority here. CNN's Abbas Al Lawati and Nadeen Ebrahim contributed reporting to this post.
一开始以色列被这样全方位偷袭，同情的肯定是多数，以色列给人断水断电的话估计舆论会反过来
会的。而且哪怕以色列做的再好，比如每次通知到位再炸楼，但是毕竟加沙要转移的人多，出现问题就会被大肆扩大宣传，舆论总是会同情弱者更多。
民调没有任何用处。
巴勒斯坦难民，现在给他们美国绿卡，你说他们接不接？
美国欧洲各国都有大量的巴勒斯坦移民上街游行， 他们会像犹太人那样，离开移民国，回国参战吗？？
现在以色列恢复给南加供水，这样希望可以劝说很多人从北加往南加撤退，然后以色列地面部队进入，清剿哈马斯，
真主党如果参与，以色列就开辟第二战场，今天已经把话说清楚了，打开第二站线以色列准备好了，
民调是给网络键盘侠们扯淡用的。
google 黎巴嫩、巴勒斯坦难民，两个关键词即可找到答案
“The Israeli government gave me a budget,” the retired brigadier general confessed, “and the military government gives to the mosques.”
“Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel’s creation,” Avner Cohen, a former Israeli religious affairs official who worked in Gaza for more than two decades, told the Wall Street Journal in 2009. Back in the mid-1980s, Cohen even wrote an official report to his superiors warning them not to play divide-and-rule in the Occupied Territories, by backing Palestinian Islamists against Palestinian secularists. “I … suggest focusing our efforts on finding ways to break up this monster before this reality jumps in our face,” he wrote.
They didn’t listen to him
没人知道该做什么 但是大部分人知道不该做什么
这个话题最近两天不是都解释无数次了吗？一般难民问题都是暂时的，冲突完了还各回各家，特别人这种数量大的情况。但以色列的策略就是人赶走，地留下，犹太人定居点建起来，逐渐蚕食巴勒斯坦人的土地，难民驱赶到别的国家不让回故土，难民成为别人的问题。这谁受得了？
埃及为啥要配合以色列侵吞巴勒斯坦？埃及已经接受了很多难民了。
以色利的官方就是这么说的 要打出来几十年的和平 不光要干掉对方的实力 也要干掉对方的意志
以色列是一个小国 从强大到虚弱很容易 强敌环伺 只做表面文章根本压不住场子
责任不能光追究到哈马斯为止，封锁加沙，填水井，滥杀难民的，说human animal的，搞21世纪纳粹主义的，都要追究
以色列的官方发言也是这样 说不要看阿拉伯国家怎么说 他们内心希望以色列打下来哈马斯 阿拉伯国家也要考虑自己几十年的长远和平
以色列好多人从全球回国参战了 这个世界几个国家的国民能做到 不得不服气
所以色列人 早就 杀人成瘾了！整个国家无可救药的残暴。但凡色列人上下有点良心，早就和巴勒斯坦人和解了，停止入侵巴勒斯坦。 色列人 洋洋自得它背后大佬如何成功愚弄世界，比如法国强奸犯诱奸中学生然后还能洋洋自得 被捧成最美第一夫人！法国无能小白脸总统其他干不了，但是第一个对支持巴勒斯坦游行人群使用催泪弹的！还有犹太媒体深入中小学给未成年人宣传肛交姿势大全和变性！这些人肆无忌惮愚弄世界平民阶层，从来没有受过惩罚！色列人 把巴勒斯坦人当动物一样围猎，随便侵占巴勒斯坦人土地；但事实上，色列人把世界各国平民也没当成人，以为他们说啥就是啥！不信走访一下美国各大丧尸街就知道了
乌克兰人
乌克兰公民好像是必须回国参战不然要坐监？
以色列早就用地换和平了，哈马斯这些头目就是靠着恐怖袭击当生意。不允许平民撤离，就这一条就能看出是啥玩意儿。
还有加沙的哈马斯和巴勒斯坦人现在都不能混为一谈了，别拉上所有巴勒斯坦人。
Second this
Twitter上有－段录音是哈马斯不允许民众撤离。
因为不想。
以色列人凝聚力强，自己的圈子太紧密，所以全世界有时候都会想钱都被他们赚取了，仇富心理容易滋生，当然以色列人本身是比较身段灵活，会玩tricks. 排开这些，以色列人自立自强，团结一致，珍爱同胞，作为一个民族让人钦佩。
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/07/30/how-israel-helped-create-hamas/
这是以色列自己说的。。。
你以为以色列人不想出这个钱？你家社区接收一下试试
因为反犹情绪，欧洲人当时是恨不能把犹太人推远点儿。商量他们复国是二战前就开始了，德国人只是真的做了种族灭绝的事，当然苏联反犹也干过屠杀。
但是这个商议复国的过程还是能看出文明程度的，当时决议不下还有目的地不适合人生存的问题，犹太人却克服了它，必须要佩服为了生存他们的努力和智慧。
版上华人要是娃交上20个犹太人朋友那根本不算什么事。 要是交上20个巴勒斯坦朋友，几个家长能不吓尿
德国毕竟那么大，哪天死灰复燃岂不是被一锅端？历史上阿拉伯人对犹太人还是比较好的，穆斯林政权时期，犹太人过的不错，十字军东征时还一起对抗欧洲人来着。
其实美国或者加拿大倒是比较合适的，多种族移民国家。都二十世纪中叶了再搞抢地盘这种事情是很难的。
你别只读标题好么，看一下内容，明显是说以色列政策失误，让hamas有机会做大
以色列算记中国人的好，除了滴灌技术，如何逆转沙漠化，军事技术的交流，他们把二战发给他们签证的中国外交官刻在了他们的碑上，要永世记得他。
我最初说的就是扶持，又没有说标题里的创建
他们早就应该这样做，冤有头债有主，追杀纳粹至少没有波及无辜。但我不知道他们追杀效果有没有吹的那么好，前两天加拿大不还表彰了乌克兰纳粹老兵？
站这里。仇恨下，双方肯定都干过上不得台面的事，但是恐怖分子太可恨了，因为他们的头目并不是为了复国啥的，就是把平民当肉盾，每年他们拿资助恐怖活动的钱，真是人类文明的毒瘤。
你这就好像问当年满清打过来汉人为什么要抵抗一样。
内塔尼亚胡儿子现在在前线， 他哥哥好多年前在乌干达解救人质的行动中牺牲，他自己也是从军队里干出来的， 可不是只会做个样子
要不你去劝劝乌克兰人和台湾人赶紧搬走，把地方腾出来？俄罗斯和大陆也主要是要地方
自己想想你说的和我说的有多少相似， 真多余和你废话
不是所有在美华人都支持中共，但有的人还真的是中共派的间谍，平时就正常上班工作，掏出个电子设备就是CCP间谍，摘掉就是老实巴交的索男，你说要不要都抓起来算了？
这个类比太成功了，如果在美华人如果卖国的占比增加到一定程度，那进集中营不是梦。只是在美华人即便有家国情怀，但是多数知好歹，大批大批的华人从不上海外中文网，因为他们觉得动向不对，自动划清界限。
真是笑死了，你觉得真间谍会在网上干打嘴炮暴露身份的事情吗？
不会。我没有针对任何人。
不可能，这宗教纠纷是世仇。
所以讲恐怖分子坏呢，Hamas 让妇女儿童当肉盾，太坏了。当初的911印象深刻，我有两个朋友老公都死在了那次恐袭中，他们有什么错，不也是平民吗？
1. Before Israel there was a British Mandate, not a Palestinian state 2. Before the British Mandate, it was the Ottoman Empire, not a Palestinian state. 3. Before the Ottoman Empire Was the Islamic State of the Mamluks of Egypt, not a Palestinian state. 4. Before the Islamic State of the Mamluks from Egypt, the Arab-Kurdish Empire was the Ayyubid, not a Palestinian state. 5. Before the Ayyubid Empire was the Frankish and Christian Kingdom of Jerusalem, not a Palestinian state. 6. Before the Kingdom of Jerusalem was the Umayyad and Fatimid empire, not a Palestinian state. 7. Before the Umayyad and Fatimid empires, the Byzantine Empire was not a Palestinian state. 8. Before the Byzantine Empire, there were Sassanids, not a Palestinian state. 9. Before the Sassanid Empire was the Byzantine Empire, not a Palestinian state. 10. Before the Byzantine Empire was the Roman Empire, not a Palestinian state. 11. Before the Roman Empire it was a Hasmonean state, not a Palestinian state. 12. Before the Hasmonean state was the Seleucid, not a Palestinian state. 13. Before the Seleucid Empire was the Empire of Alexander, not a Palestinian state. 14. Before Alexander''s empire it was the Persian Empire, not a Palestinian state. 15. Before the Persian Empire was the Babylonian Empire, not a Palestinian state. 16. Before the Babylonian Empire were the kingdoms of Israel and Judah, not a Palestinian state. 17. Before the kingdoms of Israel and Judah, there was the kingdom of Israel, not a Palestinian state. 18. Before the Kingdom of Israel, the theocracy of the twelve tribes of Israel was not a Palestinian state. 19. Before the theocracy of the twelve tribes of Israel, there was an accumulation of independent Canaanite city-kingdoms, not a Palestinian state. This is the Ancestral homeland of the Jews, the Palestinians (term created in 1947) are Arab migrants from neighboring countries
美国纽约的地铁和机场和第三世界国家也差相仿佛。为啥老说美国有钱？
喜欢代入纳粹真是很高级的爱好呢
支持。至少是多数。他们是加沙选出来，然后把巴解的的武装打败。成了独立王国。
哈马斯的领袖也在卡塔尔过着豪华生活。据说比巴解还贪。
哈马斯凶狠得很。对人民控制很严。巴解都比他们打了出去。一般的人根本不敢和他们作对。
你知道中国当年侵越怎么对待地道战？找死。
基本当年接受巴勒斯坦难民的，都和他们打了一仗。对他们比以色列人还要恨。
以前中国叫约旦国王是巴勒斯坦人的侩子手。
他是以色列人民选出来的。如果他不代表以色列人民的利益，他们就会把他拉下来。
他不能定于一尊。
他们平均每年收到的国际援助每年至少一千多美元。
颠倒黑白。
你真会搞笑。 联合国通过以色列复国。是巴勒斯坦和阿拉伯联军攻打以色列，把以色列消灭掉。
中国其实做出了例子。
西藏都是西藏人。他们有史以来就住在西藏。 可他们是属于中国的，不听话就打。 很多西藏难民在印度，
没那么简单。最后以色列最后还是会作某些妥协。
美国受到的压力会很大。然后不得不劝说以色列停火。
看看梅厄夫人怎么说的。美国是一个很重要的朋友，他们说的话我们有时候不得不听。
以色列是一个很小的国家。没有纵深。在阿拉伯军队面前，他们随时命悬一线。
世界头号搅屎棍大英帝国的遗产，早在1917年英国就支持犹太复国主义，在其管辖巴勒斯坦期间，犹太人移民人口逐渐占到30%以上，二战后在英国结束对巴勒斯坦的管辖前，联合国通过巴以分治的决议，但是阿拉伯人不同意，才有了之后一系列中东战争……演绎到目前这个局面。英国撤出印度前，也是搞了一出印巴分治的惨剧，到现在印，巴两国还是互相仇视。
就像马里乌波尔和内战时的长春，不过可能加沙太大了。
2 hr 42 min ago Palestinian Authority president condemns Hamas attacks on Israel From CNN's Kareem Khadder and Hamdi Alkhshali
Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas, in his first clear and stark denouncement of Hamas' attacks on Israel, said the militant group's actions “do not represent the Palestinian people.” “The policies and actions of Hamas do not represent the Palestinian people, and it is the policies, programs, and decisions of the Palestine Liberation Organization that represent the Palestinian people as their legitimate and sole representative,” Abbas said during a phone call with Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro on Sunday, the official Palestinian press agency WAFA reported. Abbas called for an end to civilian casualties, the release of prisoners and a rejection of violence, according to WAFA. During the call, Abbas also emphasized the urgent need for Israel to stop its aggression in Gaza and to immediately protect Gazan civilians by opening a humanitarian corridor for provisions of medical supplies, water, electricity, and fuel to the citizens of Gaza, WAFA reported. Abbas said displacing Palestinians from Gaza would represent “a second catastrophe for the Palestinian people,” WAFA added. Key context: Israel is at war with Hamas, the Palestinian militant group that controls Gaza and carried out devastating terror attacks in Israel earlier this month. Abbas is the leader of the Palestinian Authority, a government body with limited self-rule in the West Bank. It was established in the 1993 Oslo Accords, a peace pact between Israel and the Palestine Liberation Organization that saw the PLO give up armed resistance against Israel in return for promises of an independent Palestinian state. Hamas — which is designated as a terrorist organization by the US, European Union and other countries — presents itself as an alternative to the Palestinian Authority, which has recognized Israel and has engaged in multiple failed peace initiatives with it. You can read more about Hamas and the Palestinian Authority here. CNN's Abbas Al Lawati and Nadeen Ebrahim contributed reporting to this post.
加沙太小了 —-—-比起以色列从埃及手中打下、然后交还给埃及的西奈半岛。 西奈半岛的面积6.1万平方公里， 是以色列现有面积的2.4倍。
楼主的问题是被打了， 怎么办， 你这个回答完全跑题了
对穆斯林的恐怖主义组织，清除它可能是唯一的选择，
想到当年张绍忠的判断， 美军会掉进伊拉克人民战争海洋。让老百姓走开， 就是为了把加沙翻个底朝天啊
问题是巴勒斯坦有不同派别， 和谁谈？就以色列来说，肯定愿意以土地换和平
根本实现不了和谈，巴勒斯坦建国哈马斯都不同意，要求犹太人全部滚蛋。其实以色列并不想管加沙地带。巴勒斯坦建国就好多了，至少让谈判有意义。
不可能定位不到？你以为看电影呢？
已经建国了。
发贴机器。同样的内容反复不停发
联合国没正式承认
内塔尼亚胡引咎辞职。新政府开放巴勒斯坦人的水电。关押的4500个巴勒斯坦人走法律程序，该放的放。涉事的以色列官员该下课的下课。动员全球犹太媒体直播。占了道德制高点，才能跟法塔赫甚至其他阿拉伯国家政府合作，并要求欧美援助，追杀哈马斯中的极端份子以及解救人质。
gaza有一半是未成年。 另外刚看了以色列民调，80%以色列老百姓认为内塔尼亚胡应该辞职。 政客不代表任何人利益。对于自己给自己洗脑的，什么优等劣等没人要的，还是自求多福别哪天自己变成老弱病残吧
不知道谁被洗脑，而且是假设，你若是以色列人你的邻居时刻要杀了你，你咋办？
我可以负责任的跟你说，你邻居要是有200多万人，这200多万人肯定不会时刻惦记要杀了你。 over generalization是脑子不太好使人的标识。因为多于数字二的问题他通通都思考不清楚。政客喜欢忽悠的、能够被政客忽悠到的是谁，不是很明了嘛