限制中国人在佛州购房议案HB 1355更新

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HersheyG
楼主 (北美华人网)
https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/2023/04/19/chinese-property-owners-land-discrimination-foreign-investment-desantis/
Key Highlights:
The bill sponsors on Wednesday said the public commenters were victims of “misinformation,” since the bill doesn’t apply to anyone who lives in Florida. (不清楚这里的"lives in Florida"是怎样定义的。议案发起人的意思是不是我们歧视你们,是你们自己理解错了。议案里的原话是“Any person who is domiciled in the People’s Republic of China and who is not a citizen or lawful permanent resident of the United States.” 说实话我还真的不理解什么样的人算是“domiciled in the People’s Republic of China”。Bill的本意不得而知,怎样理解大家的确可以自由发挥。)
Rep. Katherine Waldron, D-Wellington, the other bill sponsor, agreed, although she said the bill will likely be amended to address the issue with Chinese students. (中国家长有可能被允许给在佛州上学的孩子购房,不知是不是一张空头支票。如果尚在中国的家长可以给他们在佛州读书的孩子购房,那H1B签证持有者也大概率可以。)
“If this bill is not affecting them, we (have) got a lot of work to inform them on that,” McClure said. “It’s tough when you have this many people come with this many concerns.” (还是那个意思,不是我们歧视你们,是你们自己理解错了。)
Thanks to all who participated in the hearing and those who did not but nonetheless voiced out their concerns.

TALLAHASSEE — A priority bill of Gov. Ron DeSantis was called discriminatory by dozens of Chinese Americans on Wednesday, with some drawing comparisons to a Nazi-era law requiring Jews to register their property with the state. HB 1355 and its companion SB 264 would restrict Chinese ownership of land and property, a response to reports of a Chinese company buying farmland next to a North Dakota Air Force base last year. Lawmakers stressed the legislation is not meant to affect anyone living in Florida. The bills would prohibit anyone living in China from acquiring land or buildings in Florida if they’re not a U.S. citizen or permanent resident. Foreigners from any country would be prohibited from buying property within 20 miles of a military installation or critical infrastructure, such as a seaport or wastewater treatment plant. Foreigners would not be allowed to buy agricultural land anywhere in the state. Current owners would have to register their ownership with the state’s Department of Economic Opportunity. The legislation had sailed through the House and Senate with unanimous bipartisan support. The Senate passed it off the floor unanimously last week. One of the sponsors of HB 1355 is a Democrat and numerous Democratic lawmakers have signed on as co-sponsors. That bipartisan support ended Wednesday after more than 100 Chinese Americans, permanent residents, students, professors and others packed a House committee room and told lawmakers the bill was discriminatory. Several recounted stories of racial discrimination. “I’m trying to protect my family from unintended consequences that come with this bill,” Baoliang Pan of Orlando told lawmakers. “Many times during COVID, my wife and family were verbally assaulted by people shouting racial slurs like ‘Chinese virus. Go back to China.’” Several focused on the requirement to register their ownership with the state, comparing it to the 1938 law imposed by Nazi Germany requiring Jews to register their property with the government. “Are we really in 2023? Or are we in 1935?” said Daniel Ettedgui, a French immigrant who runs a business that helps foreigners buy property in the United States. Other speakers warned that the legislation would have other effects. Parents of Chinese students often buy a condo or home for their child studying in the U.S., which would be prohibited if the parents are living in China. Lobbyist Slater Bayliss told lawmakers it would prohibit EB-5 investments, a federal program that allows foreigners to apply for green cards if they invest in commercial ventures in the U.S. In Suwannee County, for example, a high-tech sawmill touted by Gov. Rick Scott in 2011 was partly financed by Chinese EB-5 investors. “By a broad reading of this bill, those investments would no longer be allowed in Florida,” Bayliss told lawmakers. The bill sponsors on Wednesday said the public commenters were victims of “misinformation,” since the bill doesn’t apply to anyone who lives in Florida. “The only people who this bill discriminates against is the Communist Party of China,” Rep. David Borrero, R-Sweetwater, told lawmakers. “The only people who have worried about not being able to buy land here? Those who are not living here.” Rep. Katherine Waldron, D-Wellington, the other bill sponsor, agreed, although she said the bill will likely be amended to address the issue with Chinese students. “I think everybody in that room is probably not included in this bill,” Waldron said after the committee. “We’re not trying to cause anybody harm who lives here.” Instead, the intent is to make the state safer, she said, citing money laundering by foreigners buying expensive properties in Florida and criminal charges filed against two men this week accused of running an unauthorized Chinese police outpost in New York City. Sunny Duann, president of the Chinese Chamber of Commerce of Tampa Bay, told the Times/Herald that Chinese Americans in Florida started organizing against the bills after seeing them pass the Senate last week. “That singles out Chinese people, and that’s just not fair,” she said. DeSantis said in January that he wanted lawmakers to prevent Chinese companies and nationals from buying Florida real estate. His office has made other efforts to stamp out Chinese influence, including banning local governments from using Chinese-made drones. The extraordinary response on Wednesday prompted the committee chairperson, Rep. Lawrence McClure, R-Dover, to say that lawmakers need to communicate better with the public. “If this bill is not affecting them, we (have) got a lot of work to inform them on that,” McClure said. “It’s tough when you have this many people come with this many concerns.”
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minqidev
因为在这个议员脑子里, 只有 绿卡, 公民, 外国人。
在她脑子里,都没有排期和签证难申请的问题,因为她从没经历过。
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sunsunyi
多谢更新
麦小兜
他们根本不明白各类签证和绿卡排期是啥
通天帝国
摘录几段:
That bipartisan support ended Wednesday after more than 100 Chinese Americans, permanent residents, students, professors and others packed a House committee room and told lawmakers the bill was discriminatory. Several recounted stories of racial discrimination. 上百华人,有学生,教授,绿卡持有者等在众议院抗议这是歧视
Several focused on the requirement to register their ownership with the state, comparing it to the 1938 law imposed by Nazi Germany requiring Jews to register their property with the government. 有几个人将此比为当年纳粹德国是如何对待犹太人的
“It’s tough when you have this many people come with this many concerns.” 因为众多华人对此关注,官方也许可能大概会修订草案。
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TimTom2020
至少这个法案本身是针对常住中国的中国人,和常住美国的中国人没什么关系, 因为 domiciled就是这个意思。以后会不会扩大化不知道。
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Mintcafe
Foreigners from any country would be prohibited from buying property within 20 miles of a military installation or critical infrastructure, such as a seaport or wastewater treatment plant. Foreigners would not be allowed to buy agricultural land anywhere in the state.
???
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whatever.
估计他们以为在美国的都是公民或者绿卡
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Ceris
看了听证会,有不少华人和非华人在听证会上发言,我觉得所有的点都说到了。有几个小朋友也有发言,我觉得很感动。的确是有的议员不知道是真傻还是装傻,就说这法案不会影响到在美国的中国人。
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@happy@
应该是只有有绿卡和成为公民的华裔才能买房。
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claireliu
看了听证会,有不少华人和非华人在听证会上发言,我觉得所有的点都说到了。有几个小朋友也有发言,我觉得很感动。的确是有的议员不知道是真傻还是装傻,就说这法案不会影响到在美国的中国人。
Ceris 发表于 2023-04-19 21:30

这就叫为民请命
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HersheyG
至少这个法案本身是针对常住中国的中国人,和常住美国的中国人没什么关系, 因为 domiciled就是这个意思。以后会不会扩大化不知道。
TimTom2020 发表于 2023-04-19 21:24

你查过domiciled法律上的意义了吗?很多人都已经研究过了,并不是像你所理解的那样简单的。至于这些议员的初衷那就全凭他们自己说了,但这是在立法,不能模模糊糊想当然
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qqzjqqzj
摘录几段:
That bipartisan support ended Wednesday after more than 100 Chinese Americans, permanent residents, students, professors and others packed a House committee room and told lawmakers the bill was discriminatory. Several recounted stories of racial discrimination. 上百华人,有学生,教授,绿卡持有者等在众议院抗议这是歧视
Several focused on the requirement to register their ownership with the state, comparing it to the 1938 law imposed by Nazi Germany requiring Jews to register their property with the government. 有几个人将此比为当年纳粹德国是如何对待犹太人的
“It’s tough when you have this many people come with this many concerns.” 因为众多华人对此关注,官方也许可能大概会修订草案。

通天帝国 发表于 2023-04-19 21:18

感谢去了的人们
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Suess123
看了听证会,有不少华人和非华人在听证会上发言,我觉得所有的点都说到了。有几个小朋友也有发言,我觉得很感动。的确是有的议员不知道是真傻还是装傻,就说这法案不会影响到在美国的中国人。
Ceris 发表于 2023-04-19 21:30

必须是装傻吧 这么针对中国人的议案 怎么可能对在美国的中国人没有影响
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123456abc
参加听证会的华人都是英雄,比吴京还历害的那种
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royalpalm
谢谢所有去听证会的人,还有在外面举牌呐喊的人!! 这是维权的第一步 ! 虽败犹荣!也感谢投票反对议案的几位民主党官员。
看看这个律师怎么解释对美华潜在的危害吧。
https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/xgFpgtcYx6zegwGpAoyJig
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bluepearl
参加听证会的华人都是英雄,比吴京还历害的那种
123456abc 发表于 2023-04-19 23:04

说得太好了,手动点赞一下👍。我不住在Florida, 身份也不在这个法案限制的范围内,就想说一句,你们这些参加听证会的华人都是我心中真正的英雄。不知道哪里可以看到当时听证会的大家发言的视频,我想和我的孩子分享一下。
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royalpalm
说得太好了,手动点赞一下👍。我不住在Florida, 身份也不在这个法案限制的范围内,就想说一句,你们这些参加听证会的华人都是我心中真正的英雄。不知道哪里可以看到当时听证会的大家发言的视频,我想和我的孩子分享一下。
bluepearl 发表于 2023-04-19 23:16

https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/U5VYxO9m0TDRnfQ7ZTGyqw
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1iD2mC-FMAXXLdLdyPPEFP2o9GOsKoBZi?usp=share_link (第一个录像 14分钟有个小姑娘发言,后面还有好几个学生发言)
视频链接. 谢谢勇士们!
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jiaru0099
非常赞佛州华人发声!声音被听见才能有讨论!
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sallyyy
感谢所有参加的人
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alanbeil
点👍
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antez
制裁老美!对等禁止美国人在华买房!
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Confuse
制裁老美!对等禁止美国人在华买房!
antez 发表于 2023-04-20 01:05

唉,看到这句第一个想到来自佛罗里达刚买房的麦克老师。
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manibear
怒赞昨天从佛州各处开车去州府参加听证会的朋友们!有的华裔朋友从南佛州开车6,7个小时。凌晨四点就出发了。👍👍👍
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ecnanif
我也打电话给佛州当地议员表示反对了。 对方既没要我的地址,也没要我的zip code,就说记下来了,谢谢你的反对。 我不在佛州。
爱慕忘机
我也打电话给佛州当地议员表示反对了。 对方既没要我的地址,也没要我的zip code,就说记下来了,谢谢你的反对。 我不在佛州。
ecnanif 发表于 2023-04-20 14:24

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lxylmx
看了听证会,有不少华人和非华人在听证会上发言,我觉得所有的点都说到了。有几个小朋友也有发言,我觉得很感动。的确是有的议员不知道是真傻还是装傻,就说这法案不会影响到在美国的中国人。
Ceris 发表于 2023-04-19 21:30

不影响在美国的中国人,难道这条法律通过以后是要在中国实施吗???匪夷所思...
睡不醒的悟空
以后议员选拨必须要接受大众智商测试
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sweettea
感谢所有参与和发言的人们!
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mousemouse
欺负大妈们不懂英语
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Panda2020
回复 1楼HersheyG的帖子
谢谢到场的同胞!支持!
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Namama
摘录几段:
That bipartisan support ended Wednesday after more than 100 Chinese Americans, permanent residents, students, professors and others packed a House committee room and told lawmakers the bill was discriminatory. Several recounted stories of racial discrimination. 上百华人,有学生,教授,绿卡持有者等在众议院抗议这是歧视
Several focused on the requirement to register their ownership with the state, comparing it to the 1938 law imposed by Nazi Germany requiring Jews to register their property with the government. 有几个人将此比为当年纳粹德国是如何对待犹太人的
“It’s tough when you have this many people come with this many concerns.” 因为众多华人对此关注,官方也许可能大概会修订草案。

通天帝国 发表于 2023-04-19 21:18

Several focused on the requirement to register their ownership with the state, comparing it to the 1938 law imposed by Nazi Germany requiring Jews to register their property with the government. 有几个人将此比为当年纳粹德国是如何对待犹太人的

这个确实是高招,犹太问题是美国的政治正确,没人敢为当初纳粹的反犹行为正面洗地。。
公用99999
为华人的发声点赞
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Spypond
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手动点赞!