在美国应该是可以转院，寻求第二治疗意见的。家长也可以签against medical advice" (AMA)自己出院，如果医院医生不签出院，但是自己弄的AMA，医保会不会付之前治疗的钱？那么中产非穷人（美国穷人可以低保，自己不用花钱）中产付高额医疗费很头疼，所以他家没有医生签出院或者转院才可能害怕可能的高额医疗账单，所以没敢随便转院。如果是很穷的，不怕医疗费用的就无所谓了，自己签了AMA 文件自己出院，跑到另外一家急诊入院就好了。不用担心高额医疗费用。我猜他家是因为这个不能随便转院。其实如果几千，几万的钱自己付掉，签个AMA，自己转院就算了，估计花费太大。。。所以捐款上边提到高额药费，治疗费。本来医保下有个上限，出那个钱就够了。 我上网查了一下，好像也付。 Will Medicare pay my bill if I leave AMA? AMA Discharges Do Not Affect Insurance CoverageThis is simply not true, although doctors frequently tell patients who wish to leave AMA that they will be solely responsible for their medical bills if they do so. www.agingcare.com/articles/know-your-rights-understanding-hospital-discharges-against-medical-advice-445934.htm#:~:text=AMA%20Discharges%20Do%20Not%20Affect%20Insurance%20Coverage&text=This%20is%20simply%20not%20true,bills%20if%20they%20do%20so Consistent with previous studies, most of these patients had government-funded insurance, either Medicare or Medicaid (78 percent), or no insurance (14 percent). The average hospital charge was nearly $28,000, of which insurance paid on average almost $6,000. (Most patients also owe a minimal co-pay.) So leaving against medical advice brought no additional financial burden to the patient.Of the 453 insured patients who left AMA, payment was initially denied in only 18 cases. All of those cases involved problems with the bill, not with the patient''''s behavior. None of those patients were denied coverage for leaving against doctors'''' orders. A survey of internal medicine residents and attending physicians, however, found many did believe payment would be denied and warned patients that they could be held financially responsible if they left against medical advice. An expanded survey found similar beliefs among residents at other Chicago-area hospitals, with more than 40 percent agreeing that they "often or always inform patients that they may be held financially responsible if they leave AMA." Consent forms for patients leaving AMA from two area hospitals warned patients about possible financial consequences. www.uchicagomedicine.org/forefront/news/do-patients-pay-when-they-leave-against-medical-advice “atients and doctors beware: The next time you or your loved one has decided that it’s time to leave the hospital, don’t let us doctors coerce you into staying by threatening you with the bill.”You can read his full article at KevinMD (“Does Leaving Against Medical Advice Stick Patients with a Bill?”) here. birthmonopoly.com/leaving-against-medical-advice-will-insurance-pay/
在美国应该是可以转院，寻求第二治疗意见的。家长也可以签against medical advice" (AMA)自己出院，如果医院医生不签出院，但是自己弄的AMA，医保会不会付之前治疗的钱？那么中产非穷人（美国穷人可以低保，自己不用花钱）中产付高额医疗费很头疼，所以他家没有医生签出院或者转院才可能害怕可能的高额医疗账单，所以没敢随便转院。如果是很穷的，不怕医疗费用的就无所谓了，自己签了AMA 文件自己出院，跑到另外一家急诊入院就好了。不用担心高额医疗费用。我猜他家是因为这个不能随便转院。其实如果几千，几万的钱自己付掉，签个AMA，自己转院就算了，估计花费太大。。。所以捐款上边提到高额药费，治疗费。本来医保下有个上限，出那个钱就够了。 我上网查了一下，好像也付。 Will Medicare pay my bill if I leave AMA? AMA Discharges Do Not Affect Insurance CoverageThis is simply not true, although doctors frequently tell patients who wish to leave AMA that they will be solely responsible for their medical bills if they do so. www.agingcare.com/articles/know-your-rights-understanding-hospital-discharges-against-medical-advice-445934.htm#:~:text=AMA%20Discharges%20Do%20Not%20Affect%20Insurance%20Coverage&text=This%20is%20simply%20not%20true,bills%20if%20they%20do%20so Consistent with previous studies, most of these patients had government-funded insurance, either Medicare or Medicaid (78 percent), or no insurance (14 percent). The average hospital charge was nearly $28,000, of which insurance paid on average almost $6,000. (Most patients also owe a minimal co-pay.) So leaving against medical advice brought no additional financial burden to the patient.Of the 453 insured patients who left AMA, payment was initially denied in only 18 cases. All of those cases involved problems with the bill, not with the patient''''s behavior. None of those patients were denied coverage for leaving against doctors'''' orders. A survey of internal medicine residents and attending physicians, however, found many did believe payment would be denied and warned patients that they could be held financially responsible if they left against medical advice. An expanded survey found similar beliefs among residents at other Chicago-area hospitals, with more than 40 percent agreeing that they "often or always inform patients that they may be held financially responsible if they leave AMA." Consent forms for patients leaving AMA from two area hospitals warned patients about possible financial consequences. www.uchicagomedicine.org/forefront/news/do-patients-pay-when-they-leave-against-medical-advice “atients and doctors beware: The next time you or your loved one has decided that it’s time to leave the hospital, don’t let us doctors coerce you into staying by threatening you with the bill.”You can read his full article at KevinMD (“Does Leaving Against Medical Advice Stick Patients with a Bill?”) here. birthmonopoly.com/leaving-against-medical-advice-will-insurance-pay/ hellohey 发表于 2023-04-09 13:46
在美国应该是可以转院，寻求第二治疗意见的。家长也可以签against medical advice" (AMA)自己出院，如果医院医生不签出院，但是自己弄的AMA，医保会不会付之前治疗的钱？那么中产非穷人（美国穷人可以低保，自己不用花钱）中产付高额医疗费很头疼，所以他家没有医生签出院或者转院才可能害怕可能的高额医疗账单，所以没敢随便转院。如果是很穷的，不怕医疗费用的就无所谓了，自己签了AMA 文件自己出院，跑到另外一家急诊入院就好了。不用担心高额医疗费用。我猜他家是因为这个不能随便转院。其实如果几千，几万的钱自己付掉，签个AMA，自己转院就算了，估计花费太大。。。所以捐款上边提到高额药费，治疗费。本来医保下有个上限，出那个钱就够了。 我上网查了一下，好像也付。 Will Medicare pay my bill if I leave AMA? AMA Discharges Do Not Affect Insurance CoverageThis is simply not true, although doctors frequently tell patients who wish to leave AMA that they will be solely responsible for their medical bills if they do so. www.agingcare.com/articles/know-your-rights-understanding-hospital-discharges-against-medical-advice-445934.htm#:~:text=AMA%20Discharges%20Do%20Not%20Affect%20Insurance%20Coverage&text=This%20is%20simply%20not%20true,bills%20if%20they%20do%20so Consistent with previous studies, most of these patients had government-funded insurance, either Medicare or Medicaid (78 percent), or no insurance (14 percent). The average hospital charge was nearly $28,000, of which insurance paid on average almost $6,000. (Most patients also owe a minimal co-pay.) So leaving against medical advice brought no additional financial burden to the patient.Of the 453 insured patients who left AMA, payment was initially denied in only 18 cases. All of those cases involved problems with the bill, not with the patient''''''''s behavior. None of those patients were denied coverage for leaving against doctors'''''''' orders. A survey of internal medicine residents and attending physicians, however, found many did believe payment would be denied and warned patients that they could be held financially responsible if they left against medical advice. An expanded survey found similar beliefs among residents at other Chicago-area hospitals, with more than 40 percent agreeing that they "often or always inform patients that they may be held financially responsible if they leave AMA." Consent forms for patients leaving AMA from two area hospitals warned patients about possible financial consequences. www.uchicagomedicine.org/forefront/news/do-patients-pay-when-they-leave-against-medical-advice “atients and doctors beware: The next time you or your loved one has decided that it’s time to leave the hospital, don’t let us doctors coerce you into staying by threatening you with the bill.”You can read his full article at KevinMD (“Does Leaving Against Medical Advice Stick Patients with a Bill?”) here. birthmonopoly.com/leaving-against-medical-advice-will-insurance-pay/ hellohey 发表于 2023-04-09 13:46
谁会仔细去看入院时发的纸。我最近半年来给我爸治病，住过多少次医院，也只是上周才被告知有这么一个option。也是在我们问了之后。更别说医院会千方百计说服你不要走AMA，有时候会把风险说得比较大。当然，到要采取AMA的地步，那是肯定有风险的。要家属联系好另一家才转出院，要求太高。家属被吓回去，怕落得没有医院治，不敢乱动也不是没可能。 希望多点普及医疗系统的选择。医院都是从系统出发，教条，其实不在乎病人。对他们来说病人只是他们碰到的一个病例，只要照书治，他们没责任就行。你只是one of many,是他们工作的一部分。不像家属，那是100%。 一定要多问，多讨论，不要怕质疑医生。
波士顿娃的事情我也follow过，老实说，他们的骨髓移植是没有办法中的办法，属于试验性质的疗法。那个病是基因病，是没有根治的方法的，如果失败只能说明人类医学水平的极限就在这。这个CAEBV也一样，只有化疗+移植这一个已知的治疗手段，但是很多人都撑不过去，就像很多白血病人没到移植就因为并发症死亡一样。医生做决定都要衡量risk vs benefit，没有100%安全的选择，更何况绝症就是绝症，谁来了也没办法
医疗多黑暗， 看看政府媒体儿童保护组织。。 这个只是接触到很多资料， 还没有明确揭露医院就已经被杀了。 On Friday, former Senator Nancy Schaefer and her husband were found dead in their home in Habersham County. Even before a GBI investigation could be initiated, media outlets began pronouncing that their death was a “murder-suicide” and shut off most public comment posting on their web sites. The “murder suicide” theory implies that Sen. Schaefer’s husband shot her and then killed himself (or vice versa). Both Habersham County and the Georgia Bureau of Investigation began investigating the case as a “murder suicide” rather than the more obvious murder made to look like suicide”. Like so many people, I have known former Sen. Nancy Schaefer for 15 years and spoken to several people who know her better than I do. They believe that the “murder suicide” theory is highly unlikely for any one of the following reasons: 1. It is totally against Nancy Schaefer’s consistently strong commitment to the sanctity of life principles that she has fought so valiantly to uphold; 2. Nancy and her husband, Bruce, have five children and more than a dozen grandchildren who they would not choose to leave behind so abruptly; 3. Bruce’s problem with cancer was corrected and under control so there was no reason to end his life as one senator tried to imply; 4. Nancy or Bruce would not likely agree to commit such an act that violates the fundamental principles of their Christian faith; 5. Bruce was retired and the couple did not appear to be in any type of dire financial crisis that would lead them to commit such acts; 6. Bruce and Nancy knew that her sister who had Alzheimer’s disease needed her to help take care of her; 7. Friends who knew the couple best state that Bruce would simply not have the capability to kill his wife; 8. Nancy was dedicated, as a national leader, to help needy people overcome abuse within Child Protective Services organizations; 9. Nancy was actively exposing corruption within the Department of Family & Child Services (DFCS) including actions by the DFCS director in the county where she lived. 10. Nancy knew that she was needed in the fight against child sex slave trafficking in Atlanta which has one of the highest activity rates in the country; 11. Bruce was highly supportive of Nancy’s work for decades and would have little or no reason to suddenly try to kill her at such a critical juncture in her career. Specifically in Georgia, former Senator Nancy Schaefer had found during the last few years that: · DFCS in Georgia housed children in a foster home with a known pedophile who molested the children. · DFCS in Habersham County failed to remove six children from a home where they are being abused and tortured. · DFCS in Georgia turned two girls over to a California father who had a pornographic video business. A report that Nancy Schaefer produced on these remarkable cases can be found here: http://fightcps.com/2008/02/29/report... Nancy Schaefer was also interviewed extensively by talk show host Alex Jones about corruption in Child Protection Services nationally. A multi-part series of her interview and an Eagle Forum presentation can be found on You Tube here: http://www.youtube.com/results?search... In addition, Senator Schaefer led opposition to HB582 and SB304, two bills introduced by fellow Republicans that would have likely resulted in increasing child sex slave trafficking. These bills would have made it legal for teenagers to participate in certain illicit acts. The bills effectively removed the legal authority that police now have to pick teenagers up and get them into protective custody so that they can no longer be pimped for those acts. As President of Georgia Eagle Forum, Nancy Schaefer planned to be in Alabama this weekend for an Eagle Forum convention. Instead she chose to stay in Georgia to develop new information that would have further exposed corruption in DFCS and beyond. Many Eagle forum members who were close to Sen. Schaefer were aware of her courageous efforts. None of them believe that either she or her husband was involved in any type of suicide. It is particularly ironic that the Atlanta Journal Constitution (AJC) chose to quote State Sen. Don Thomas in their March 26 article about Sen. Schaefer’s death. The AJC portrayed him as a friend of the couple even though he lives on the other side of the state from the Schaefer family and was diametrically opposed to many of their core beliefs. Sen. Thomas, the Chairman of the Health and Human Services Committee, immediately propagated and expanded the “murder-suicide” theory without any first-hand knowledge or evidence. That is very disturbing considering it is his committee that should have been helping to clean up the corruption at DFCS. Activists supporting Sen. Schaefer explained that he constantly advocated increased power and authority for DFCS in spite of the evidence showing the organization was misusing that authority. With Nancy Schaefer no longer on the scene the question may be raised as to how best to continue her legacy. I believe that she would want conservatives, progressives, libertarians, constitutionalists as well as grass roots Democrats and Republicans throughout Georgia to unite and work to rectify the corruption in DFCS and eliminate child sex slave trafficking in Georgia.
你知道这么多细节，是这家人的近亲？ 美国儿童如果承担不起医疗费用，由Medicaid 负担，家长可以让医院的social worker帮助这些，不需要向社会求捐款付医疗费。每个纳税人都交过medicare/medicaid的税了。父母要为自己未成年子女争取应有的权利，美国儿童有Medicaid的权利。 是法盲而不自知，斯坦福为什么要控告父母危害儿童安全？ 因为父母让没有医生资质的“中医” 给危重的住院病人治疗。Against Medical Advice. 父母自己信中医，自己在家吃中药，完全没有问题。 但是父母让无证中医给自己的危重住院的未成年子女治疗，无视医疗团队的警告，就是在危害儿童安全。都到了被斯坦福要控告的地步了，应该是对斯坦福医生的警告置之不理。 斯坦福医疗团队为什么不接受辛辛那提医生的意见？医疗团队对consultant的意见都是相当重视的。如果无视，最大的可能性就是这个“医生”并没有被认可的医生资质和治疗权限。 美国有医生执照的医生的信息都在每个州board网站，医院或者诊所网站上显示。 楼里很多人说自己不知道病人有AMA的权利。 病人有接受和拒绝治疗的权利。医生提供的检查和治疗，不愿意做的可以拒绝，医生在记录上会注明，治疗上against medical advice。 AMA： Against Medical Advice 住院病人DAMA (discharge against medical advice): 拒绝治疗，自行出院。 成年人，有行为能力，有AMA的权利。 成年人，没有行为能力，没有AMA的权利。 至于儿童，我没有受过儿科训练，不清楚儿童AMA出院如何进行。Google显示的是NIH网站的信息： Paediatric discharge against medical advice (DAMA) requests are best managed when clinicians ensure the patient''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''s best interests are met, understand and act upon their professional obligations, and engage in guided discussion with patients and families that involves both shared and informed decision-making strategies
你知道这么多细节，是这家人的近亲？ 美国儿童如果承担不起医疗费用，由Medicaid 负担，家长可以让医院的social worker帮助这些，不需要向社会求捐款付医疗费。每个纳税人都交过medicare/medicaid的税了。父母要为自己未成年子女争取应有的权利，美国儿童有Medicaid的权利。 是法盲而不自知，斯坦福为什么要控告父母危害儿童安全？ 因为父母让没有医生资质的“中医” 给危重的住院病人治疗。Against Medical Advice. 父母自己信中医，自己在家吃中药，完全没有问题。 但是父母让无证中医给自己的危重住院的未成年子女治疗，无视医疗团队的警告，就是在危害儿童安全。都到了被斯坦福要控告的地步了，应该是对斯坦福医生的警告置之不理。 斯坦福医疗团队为什么不接受辛辛那提医生的意见？医疗团队对consultant的意见都是相当重视的。如果无视，最大的可能性就是这个“医生”并没有被认可的医生资质和治疗权限。 美国有医生执照的医生的信息都在每个州board网站，医院或者诊所网站上显示。 楼里很多人说自己不知道病人有AMA的权利。 病人有接受和拒绝治疗的权利。医生提供的检查和治疗，不愿意做的可以拒绝，医生在记录上会注明，治疗上against medical advice。 AMA： Against Medical Advice 住院病人DAMA (discharge against medical advice): 拒绝治疗，自行出院。 成年人，有行为能力，有AMA的权利。 成年人，没有行为能力，没有AMA的权利。 至于儿童，我没有受过儿科训练，不清楚儿童AMA出院如何进行。Google显示的是NIH网站的信息： Paediatric discharge against medical advice (DAMA) requests are best managed when clinicians ensure the patient''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''s best interests are met, understand and act upon their professional obligations, and engage in guided discussion with patients and families that involves both shared and informed decision-making strategies
你知道这么多细节，是这家人的近亲？ 美国儿童如果承担不起医疗费用，由Medicaid 负担，家长可以让医院的social worker帮助这些，不需要向社会求捐款付医疗费。每个纳税人都交过medicare/medicaid的税了。父母要为自己未成年子女争取应有的权利，美国儿童有Medicaid的权利。 是法盲而不自知，斯坦福为什么要控告父母危害儿童安全？ 因为父母让没有医生资质的“中医” 给危重的住院病人治疗。Against Medical Advice. 父母自己信中医，自己在家吃中药，完全没有问题。 但是父母让无证中医给自己的危重住院的未成年子女治疗，无视医疗团队的警告，就是在危害儿童安全。都到了被斯坦福要控告的地步了，应该是对斯坦福医生的警告置之不理。 斯坦福医疗团队为什么不接受辛辛那提医生的意见？医疗团队对consultant的意见都是相当重视的。如果无视，最大的可能性就是这个“医生”并没有被认可的医生资质和治疗权限。 美国有医生执照的医生的信息都在每个州board网站，医院或者诊所网站上显示。 楼里很多人说自己不知道病人有AMA的权利。 病人有接受和拒绝治疗的权利。医生提供的检查和治疗，不愿意做的可以拒绝，医生在记录上会注明，治疗上against medical advice。 AMA： Against Medical Advice 住院病人DAMA (discharge against medical advice): 拒绝治疗，自行出院。 成年人，有行为能力，有AMA的权利。 成年人，没有行为能力，没有AMA的权利。 至于儿童，我没有受过儿科训练，不清楚儿童AMA出院如何进行。Google显示的是NIH网站的信息： Paediatric discharge against medical advice (DAMA) requests are best managed when clinicians ensure the patient''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''s best interests are met, understand and act upon their professional obligations, and engage in guided discussion with patients and families that involves both shared and informed decision-making strategies
美国的医疗系统和保险系统都太复杂了。又不透明。到底什么cover什么不cover门道很多。但是madicaid都cover简直就是too good to be true了吧。 另外，斯坦福不放人也很可能是因为有revenue impact。比如保险不报了什么的。最近才知道如果patient readmitted，医院可能被CMS罚。这个孩子做了那么多治疗。如果转院斯坦福可能finance受影响保险也不一定同意
那个id更像是专职医宣员（aka 医疗系统网络宣传员/半圆）吧，靠打压互联网上对医疗系统的意见吃饭，否则人孩子都去世了谁会没有利益相关却这么孜孜不倦地胡搅蛮缠非要把已经发生的事情说成必须是子虚乌有？ 医药系统的社交媒体宣传员多了去了，还有专职patient influencers呢 https://nypost.com/2023/03/17/patient-influencers-paid-by-big-pharma-to-mislead-followers-report/ ‘Patient influencers’ paid by Big Pharma to mislead followers
你不知道斯坦福威胁在先？还是辛辛那提拒绝在先？而且之前辛辛那提提出过意见不能切脾，斯坦福不是不同意么？斯坦福之后是不是设置了哪些转院障碍，致使别的医院没有办法接受，你也不知道啊。
你不是还说： 病人是在斯坦福住院治疗，只要医生认为符合病情需要的治疗，保险都会付。你就吹吧你。
在美国应该是可以转院，寻求第二治疗意见的。家长也可以签against medical advice" (AMA)自己出院，如果医院医生不签出院，但是自己弄的AMA，医保会不会付之前治疗的钱？那么中产非穷人（美国穷人可以低保，自己不用花钱）中产付高额医疗费很头疼，所以他家没有医生签出院或者转院才可能害怕可能的高额医疗账单，所以没敢随便转院。如果是很穷的，不怕医疗费用的就无所谓了，自己签了AMA 文件自己出院，跑到另外一家急诊入院就好了。不用担心高额医疗费用。我猜他家是因为这个不能随便转院。其实如果几千，几万的钱自己付掉，签个AMA，自己转院就算了，估计花费太大。。。所以捐款上边提到高额药费，治疗费。本来医保下有个上限，出那个钱就够了。 我上网查了一下，好像也付。 Will Medicare pay my bill if I leave AMA? AMA Discharges Do Not Affect Insurance Coverage This is simply not true, although doctors frequently tell patients who wish to leave AMA that they will be solely responsible for their medical bills if they do so. www.agingcare.com/articles/know-your-rights-understanding-hospital-discharges-against-medical-advice-445934.htm#:~:text=AMA%20Discharges%20Do%20Not%20Affect%20Insurance%20Coverage&text=This%20is%20simply%20not%20true,bills%20if%20they%20do%20so Consistent with previous studies, most of these patients had government-funded insurance, either Medicare or Medicaid (78 percent), or no insurance (14 percent). The average hospital charge was nearly $28,000, of which insurance paid on average almost $6,000. (Most patients also owe a minimal co-pay.) So leaving against medical advice brought no additional financial burden to the patient. Of the 453 insured patients who left AMA, payment was initially denied in only 18 cases. All of those cases involved problems with the bill, not with the patient''''s behavior. None of those patients were denied coverage for leaving against doctors'''' orders. A survey of internal medicine residents and attending physicians, however, found many did believe payment would be denied and warned patients that they could be held financially responsible if they left against medical advice. An expanded survey found similar beliefs among residents at other Chicago-area hospitals, with more than 40 percent agreeing that they "often or always inform patients that they may be held financially responsible if they leave AMA." Consent forms for patients leaving AMA from two area hospitals warned patients about possible financial consequences. www.uchicagomedicine.org/forefront/news/do-patients-pay-when-they-leave-against-medical-advice “ atients and doctors beware: The next time you or your loved one has decided that it’s time to leave the hospital, don’t let us doctors coerce you into staying by threatening you with the bill.” You can read his full article at KevinMD (“Does Leaving Against Medical Advice Stick Patients with a Bill?”) here. birthmonopoly.com/leaving-against-medical-advice-will-insurance-pay/
问题就是，斯坦福医院有没有告诉病人可以签AMA?为啥斯坦福要告家属虐待？很多病人及家属都不知道自己的权利，包括AMA, 所以很容易就被医院忽悠了
美国住院的第一天就会有专人给病人和家属文件，交代病人的权利。
我在美国住过院，从来不知道AMA form。没有人给我说过。直到今天看了帖子才知道。
感谢那个发帖的网友。。
这个病人符合Medicaid ，不需要担心医疗费用。
如果斯坦福医生提出请辛辛那提医院医生会诊，自然会尊重会诊意见。 如果家属自己请辛辛那提医生会诊，建立了正式的医患关系，辛辛那提医生有不同于斯坦福的治疗方案，为什么拒绝接受转院？ 没有正式医患关系，辛辛那提的医生都不能登陆电子病历系统查看病历，这是HIPAA的规定。
那为啥斯坦福要威胁家属告他们虐待？给家属个AMA form签字，叫他们走不就完了？
我觉得自从我家孩子逃出来之后， 其他孩子那是绝对不让你活着出来的。
别做梦了。 参看英国的 Alfie， 已经这样了， 医院怎么可以放你出来。。。 就算放你出来， 别的地方一定要帮忙弄死你 参见加州黑女打官司，
逃不出医疗系统， 系统回确保你死亡。
你想想， 你活着出来那还不恨死医院，，， 死了大不过给你个数目而已。。
经历过这一切， 为了孩子， 以谋杀起诉医院吧。 没有别的路子， 律师们一般不接。。
红脸黑脸罢了。
谁敢帮你说话？
这个医生明显人前一套人后一套， 把病人家属给骗了。
医生真好心， 应该劝父母想办法逃出去，， 而不是说不同意见在医院里折腾，，
大家对医疗杀人根本不懂。 其实谁都不傻， 都明白， 要弄死你就要弄一笔糊涂账， 跟你扯淡
关键就是弄死你 你出不去 那么多扯淡的资料用来应付法官， 医生相互。。
医院早就算计弄死这个孩子了， 哪里会有医院内的好心医生敢说话？！
NAIVE
参见骨髓移植那个。。
封了我， 不听我的话， 这种事情会不断的。。。
剥夺你的抚养权， 你自然不能代表孩子起诉医院 医院找人弄死孩子就行了。 美帝邪恶， 超出世界人民对邪恶的理解。。。
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你一直纠结在中医也不能进系统，外院也不能进系统，你不觉得病人自己可以拿到自己的病历，想给谁看就给谁看吗？
辛辛那提肯定不想跟斯坦福找别扭，斯坦福说不让转院，辛辛那提肯定就不接收了呗，美国医生之间都不愿意冲突，从来不会把病人放首位的。
我知道一例子,不过不是小孩,是个>80 老太太,俩个女儿好像因为治疗方案和医生发生矛盾.老太太有点老年痴呆,但不是太严重.不知道是医生还是医院就把俩个女儿的肩负权给剥夺了,子女连打听老太太的情况都不行.老太太不会英文,也没子女可以探望.之后很快,老太太就不行了,医院才通知女儿,老太太在临终关怀,说她们可以去看老太太了,痴呆老太太看到小孩和孙女,竟然开心的笑.不过没几天就死了.
美国医生知道几点，
出了事情政府站它们一边 它们可以弄死病人没有责任 自己是绝对权威。
它妈的这些东西的学习跟中国过来的博士比就是渣。
家属可以给任何人看病历，任何人都可以对治疗发表意见，但是只有有治疗权限的人的意见才会被医疗团队采纳。有治疗权限的人会对他们的治疗意见承担责任。 所以在指责医疗团队不采纳中医和辛辛那提医生意见之前，先问一下这些人有没有治疗权限？没有治疗权限的人的意见当然不会被采纳。
这个强制疫苗太恶心了，公司要求打，然后部门大头开会的时候每个问打了没有？所谓的尊重隐私荡然无存，奥米克隆刚来的时候，部门大头开会还公开说dou是因为有人不打疫苗所以病毒继续传染，让没打疫苗的死了算了。结果打了的还不是一个又一个感染了
这个早就不是普通医疗了，
已经进入了医院杀人程序。 它妈的还做梦啥呢， 都当别人是傻逼？！ 这么扯淡的基本都是医疗系统的， 能骗就骗！
这都是无良政客和坏了良心的药厂,医护人员干的好事.一破烂东西,拿钱卖力撒谎,出事了什么责任都不担.还有那么多人被卖了还在替人数钱.
谁会仔细去看入院时发的纸。我最近半年来给我爸治病，住过多少次医院，也只是上周才被告知有这么一个option。也是在我们问了之后。更别说医院会千方百计说服你不要走AMA，有时候会把风险说得比较大。当然，到要采取AMA的地步，那是肯定有风险的。要家属联系好另一家才转出院，要求太高。家属被吓回去，怕落得没有医院治，不敢乱动也不是没可能。
希望多点普及医疗系统的选择。医院都是从系统出发，教条，其实不在乎病人。对他们来说病人只是他们碰到的一个病例，只要照书治，他们没责任就行。你只是one of many,是他们工作的一部分。不像家属，那是100%。 一定要多问，多讨论，不要怕质疑医生。
麻痹敢用 路上就弄死你了 还他妈的转院？
我们不转最后医院放出来了
以前我还是很信任美国医生的.这三年,真是让人大跌眼镜.就拿hualihu这位层主来说巴,要是以前,我肯定认为他是乱说的.见识了covid期间医护人员的不要脸后,我觉得一切都有可能.
这个小孩的经历和板上波士顿那个娃的经历基本一样。先化疗摧毁自身免疫系统，再骨髓移植希望重建免疫系统。但是整个过程太过rough，看起来亚裔娃不能survive到最后一步。板上的耗子曾经劝过波士顿娃妈妈不要做医院要求的那一套，基本上板上是一面倒的批耗子。我其实当时就觉得耗子说的有道理。现在波士顿娃也不来update，不知道如何了，希望是好转了
听着就恐怖。。。。
我公公几年前查出来肺癌晚期，分型，按照医生设计的癌症治疗方案，只做了化疗第一期，在等做第二期的时候就迅速恶化，住院，几天之内去世。这是北京最好的肿瘤医院。 个人认为这不是美国医生的锅，也不是什么亚裔娃挺不过去化疗。而是这套治疗办法，它就是这样。 但是作为一般的父母或普通人，并没有勇气抛弃主流治疗方案。选择非主流的治疗方案比如中医，身为一个铁杆中医粉丝，知道中医的水更深，普通人根本没办法分辨，更难。
貌似故事里的孩子不是癌症。搞半天当是癌症治了？
故事里说了，史丹福醫院並沒有治愈類似問題的病例。还威胁告人家家属虐待。。。
你太想当然了。 这是个儿科病人，需要有儿科训练资质的人治疗。 不是是个医生就自动有治疗病人的资质的。 我没有受过儿科专科训练，就没有治疗儿科病人的资质。我对儿科病人的治疗意见，儿科治疗团队完全可以无视。 这个求捐款帖子里的很多信息都是opinion, 不是fact. 你把中医的医生执照和辛辛那提医生的执照拿出来，再来批评斯坦福治疗团队不接受具有治疗权限医生的意见，我一定支持你。
波士顿娃的事情我也follow过，老实说，他们的骨髓移植是没有办法中的办法，属于试验性质的疗法。那个病是基因病，是没有根治的方法的，如果失败只能说明人类医学水平的极限就在这。这个CAEBV也一样，只有化疗+移植这一个已知的治疗手段，但是很多人都撑不过去，就像很多白血病人没到移植就因为并发症死亡一样。医生做决定都要衡量risk vs benefit，没有100%安全的选择，更何况绝症就是绝症，谁来了也没办法
说是某种特别罕见的血癌。我的理解是，现代科学对人类的理解很有限，治疗的路数就是得首先往某个已知的病上去靠，靠不上就没办法，能勉强靠得上就按那种病的治疗路数走。Jonathan这个感染了ebv然后导致的病，感觉就是勉强往血癌上靠的。
你自己搜一下就知道了。EBV是一个非常常见的病毒，根据CDC网站，90%的成年人体内有抗体。大部分人感染了EBV都没有什么症状，而那么多人有抗体，说明绝大部分人在不知不觉的情况下感染并好了。有约1/4g感染EBV的年轻人说是会得mono，但是mono好像也靠休息+自愈。估计是三针疫苗somehow极大的削弱了他的免疫力，才会导致这么mild的病毒对他的身体有毁灭性的伤害。
免疫不足是因为肝病 但自免疫没有问题 美国医疗做假那是根子上都黑心黑肺了。 跨州帮着杀人。
那个眼睛出问题的孩子是因为代谢不了特别长的脂肪链。。可能清淡的中国饮食没有问题。可是油腻的西方饮食会是慢性毒药。
西雅图儿童医院谋杀我家娃就是给的高于他处理能力的脂肪。医院确信这种脂肪能让他慢性中毒。在我们同意肝移植情况下才放出来。医院之邪恶不是普通人能想象的。
所谓标榜自己是医生的各位就算了 美国医生从自以为是天使到毫不留情谋杀婴儿，这个切换任何医生都没有问题，分秒之间。
跟美国医生呆一起比杀人犯危险。 美国医生的话真心不如屁。
明显就是疫苗导致免疫系统乱掉了
疫苗不是直接激发病毒 疫苗是把自己的免疫系统搞乱了 打的越多免疫系统出问题的几率越大 很多副作用其实都是免疫系统紊乱导致的 这个病毒被激发是免疫出问题的结果之一罢了 各种个样的副作用
我回家治疗的办法就是西医的办法。 但是医院的医生不建议这样， 说控制饮食孩子会得其他营养不良病。
西医书上的确是控制饮食治疗。但是医生要杀人， 那就否定你的代谢情况就行了， 不承认， 然后打着为了你的借口谋杀婴儿。 不同意， 还派儿童保护组织来家里抢婴儿。
政府是帮助大医院杀人的。 别做梦帮你了。
当你不同意的时候， 医生就开始怀疑你知道它干坏事了，
这个时候其实已经是生死搏斗了，， 因为医生比你清楚的多。。 你想想多危险。 很多人发现想离开的时候已经走不了了
是的 这就是为啥打的针数越多越容易病各种流感啊 rsv啊 本质都一样 就是免疫系统不行了 扛不住了
其实人体每天都有无数的病毒和细菌 免疫系统好的时候都没事 就是不会有症状。疫苗一针一针的打 越打免疫系统越糟 不仅仅是新冠的毒针 其他疫苗也都对免疫系统有影响。
没错 现在太多人迷信医生 迷信权威 其实医生也是人 人性的弱点一个也不会少
没错 一样一样的 还有cdc FDA 以前多么响当当令人敬佩的名字 现在发现最邪恶就是他们
没错 就是这个道理 而且自己就算最后得了 获得的免疫也是整体免疫 并且病毒最后会被免疫系统消灭 而疫苗 一是免疫是是基于病毒的一个片段 而且mrna进了身体源源不断的产生突刺蛋白。
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我也是经过这次疫情彻底看透整个体制了，再加上很多对疫情提前的预言更是觉得背后有一个看不见的手在操控
不靠谱的可能还不止药厂,医护人员,政府机构.上次我还看到有一案例是有关养老院的,也是拍成了电影.好像是说一养老院专门target没有子女的老人,这些老人一但到了养老院,他们有专门的勾结在一起的医生给开证明,说老人没有行为能力之类的,养老院就理所当然成了监护方,他们控制老人和老人的财产,把老人的财产纳为及有,再把老人给杀了.中间涉及的养老院, 医生,律师,都是一条龙.很少有老人能逃的过的.只不过不知道这种情况有多普便.没被揭露值钱,大家也是不知道的.就像以前说起美国医生,大家还是很positive的,现在看了他们脸不红心不跳的撒谎,为了领狗量,翻着白眼背protocol.真是太low了.医生想要杀人真是连血都不见.
是的 还是人心坏了
On Friday, former Senator Nancy Schaefer and her husband were found dead in their home in Habersham County. Even before a GBI investigation could be initiated, media outlets began pronouncing that their death was a “murder-suicide” and shut off most public comment posting on their web sites. The “murder suicide” theory implies that Sen. Schaefer’s husband shot her and then killed himself (or vice versa). Both Habersham County and the Georgia Bureau of Investigation began investigating the case as a “murder suicide” rather than the more obvious murder made to look like suicide”. Like so many people, I have known former Sen. Nancy Schaefer for 15 years and spoken to several people who know her better than I do. They believe that the “murder suicide” theory is highly unlikely for any one of the following reasons:
1. It is totally against Nancy Schaefer’s consistently strong commitment to the sanctity of life principles that she has fought so valiantly to uphold;
2. Nancy and her husband, Bruce, have five children and more than a dozen grandchildren who they would not choose to leave behind so abruptly;
3. Bruce’s problem with cancer was corrected and under control so there was no reason to end his life as one senator tried to imply;
4. Nancy or Bruce would not likely agree to commit such an act that violates the fundamental principles of their Christian faith;
5. Bruce was retired and the couple did not appear to be in any type of dire financial crisis that would lead them to commit such acts;
6. Bruce and Nancy knew that her sister who had Alzheimer’s disease needed her to help take care of her;
7. Friends who knew the couple best state that Bruce would simply not have the capability to kill his wife;
8. Nancy was dedicated, as a national leader, to help needy people overcome abuse within Child Protective Services organizations;
9. Nancy was actively exposing corruption within the Department of Family & Child Services (DFCS) including actions by the DFCS director in the county where she lived.
10. Nancy knew that she was needed in the fight against child sex slave trafficking in Atlanta which has one of the highest activity rates in the country;
11. Bruce was highly supportive of Nancy’s work for decades and would have little or no reason to suddenly try to kill her at such a critical juncture in her career.
Specifically in Georgia, former Senator Nancy Schaefer had found during the last few years that:
· DFCS in Georgia housed children in a foster home with a known pedophile who molested the children.
· DFCS in Habersham County failed to remove six children from a home where they are being abused and tortured.
· DFCS in Georgia turned two girls over to a California father who had a pornographic video business.
A report that Nancy Schaefer produced on these remarkable cases can be found here: http://fightcps.com/2008/02/29/report...
Nancy Schaefer was also interviewed extensively by talk show host Alex Jones about corruption in Child Protection Services nationally. A multi-part series of her interview and an Eagle Forum presentation can be found on You Tube here: http://www.youtube.com/results?search...
In addition, Senator Schaefer led opposition to HB582 and SB304, two bills introduced by fellow Republicans that would have likely resulted in increasing child sex slave trafficking. These bills would have made it legal for teenagers to participate in certain illicit acts. The bills effectively removed the legal authority that police now have to pick teenagers up and get them into protective custody so that they can no longer be pimped for those acts.
As President of Georgia Eagle Forum, Nancy Schaefer planned to be in Alabama this weekend for an Eagle Forum convention. Instead she chose to stay in Georgia to develop new information that would have further exposed corruption in DFCS and beyond. Many Eagle forum members who were close to Sen. Schaefer were aware of her courageous efforts. None of them believe that either she or her husband was involved in any type of suicide.
It is particularly ironic that the Atlanta Journal Constitution (AJC) chose to quote State Sen. Don Thomas in their March 26 article about Sen. Schaefer’s death. The AJC portrayed him as a friend of the couple even though he lives on the other side of the state from the Schaefer family and was diametrically opposed to many of their core beliefs. Sen. Thomas, the Chairman of the Health and Human Services Committee, immediately propagated and expanded the “murder-suicide” theory without any first-hand knowledge or evidence. That is very disturbing considering it is his committee that should have been helping to clean up the corruption at DFCS. Activists supporting Sen. Schaefer explained that he constantly advocated increased power and authority for DFCS in spite of the evidence showing the organization was misusing that authority.
With Nancy Schaefer no longer on the scene the question may be raised as to how best to continue her legacy. I believe that she would want conservatives, progressives, libertarians, constitutionalists as well as grass roots Democrats and Republicans throughout Georgia to unite and work to rectify the corruption in DFCS and eliminate child sex slave trafficking in Georgia.
首先这不是求捐款帖子，人去世了gofundme就已经停止接收捐款了。
你还在纠结中医和辛辛那提不在斯坦福系统里没权限这个事儿。病人自己出去看个中医，病人自带病历给中医看，拿个药回来自己吃，很难理解吗？就算病人无法出医院，中医有远程问诊，家长拿了药回来，只要病人不是禁食状态，自己就可以喝，通知一下斯坦福医生，说病人看了这个中医，喝了中药了，斯坦福医生跟中医交流一下，病人啥情况，你们咋治的，我咋治的，就这么点破事，到你这咋就信不了，成不了fact了？你咋就非得以为这事子虚乌有，是个骗捐贴？
你知道这么多细节，是这家人的近亲？
美国儿童如果承担不起医疗费用，由Medicaid 负担，家长可以让医院的social worker帮助这些，不需要向社会求捐款付医疗费。每个纳税人都交过medicare/medicaid的税了。父母要为自己未成年子女争取应有的权利，美国儿童有Medicaid的权利。
是法盲而不自知，斯坦福为什么要控告父母危害儿童安全？ 因为父母让没有医生资质的“中医” 给危重的住院病人治疗。Against Medical Advice. 父母自己信中医，自己在家吃中药，完全没有问题。 但是父母让无证中医给自己的危重住院的未成年子女治疗，无视医疗团队的警告，就是在危害儿童安全。都到了被斯坦福要控告的地步了，应该是对斯坦福医生的警告置之不理。
斯坦福医疗团队为什么不接受辛辛那提医生的意见？医疗团队对consultant的意见都是相当重视的。如果无视，最大的可能性就是这个“医生”并没有被认可的医生资质和治疗权限。
美国有医生执照的医生的信息都在每个州board网站，医院或者诊所网站上显示。
楼里很多人说自己不知道病人有AMA的权利。 病人有接受和拒绝治疗的权利。医生提供的检查和治疗，不愿意做的可以拒绝，医生在记录上会注明，治疗上against medical advice。 AMA： Against Medical Advice 住院病人DAMA (discharge against medical advice): 拒绝治疗，自行出院。 成年人，有行为能力，有AMA的权利。 成年人，没有行为能力，没有AMA的权利。 至于儿童，我没有受过儿科训练，不清楚儿童AMA出院如何进行。Google显示的是NIH网站的信息： Paediatric discharge against medical advice (DAMA) requests are best managed when clinicians ensure the patient''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''s best interests are met, understand and act upon their professional obligations, and engage in guided discussion with patients and families that involves both shared and informed decision-making strategies
通篇逻辑混乱，我看你估计是当医生被fire了，精神不正常了。人家明确说了斯坦福不让转院到辛辛那提，才威胁告的，你非硬掰成为了看中医告，然后非说辛辛那提没行医执照。我不跟神经病掰扯了。
就看你写的第二句话，纯粹就是扯淡：美国儿童如果承担不起医疗费用，由Medicaid 负担
Medicaid的aid code了解一下？什么样的条件才能符合medicaid?
而且medicaid的保险也分in network和out of network。医生或者医院不属于medicaid的contracted的时候，病人也要自己负责大部分的治疗费用。比如，一个治疗100块，如果医生是medicaid的in network也就是contracted，Medicaid就付给他50。医生也不能再找病人要钱了。如果医生不是medicaid的in network，也就是说不是contracted，那么medicaid很可能就付给他10块，剩下的100-10=90,医生就可以找病人付款的。
你不要不懂瞎说。你以为保险随便让医生医院骗？说一句住院治疗需要，就可以从保险骗钱了？
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再加上威胁取消家长的监护权，以后出了事家长还不能以孩子的名义来找医院打官司
美国的医疗系统和保险系统都太复杂了。又不透明。到底什么cover什么不cover门道很多。但是madicaid都cover简直就是too good to be true了吧。
另外，斯坦福不放人也很可能是因为有revenue impact。比如保险不报了什么的。最近才知道如果patient readmitted，医院可能被CMS罚。这个孩子做了那么多治疗。如果转院斯坦福可能finance受影响保险也不一定同意
你懂不懂得别人不是傻逼， 都人命关天了人家敢帮你说话这是需要很大勇气的。 我家孩子出事， 医院束手无策， 我们也找过中医，中医根本不搭理。
你想想人家能挣几个钱。 西医一针20万， 你到中药店看看最多他们能一次挣多少钱？！ 你这个人真是卑鄙下作推卸医院责任。
你不要把门诊和住院混为一谈。 斯坦福医院和它的儿童医院，Medicaid in-network.
中国人就是被中医害得。都在美国了，还迷信中医。
医院是in network，不代表每个给孩子看过病的医生都是in network。医院是in network , 并不代表所有的医生都是in network。这个要看每个医生是不是保险的in network
而且门诊不是一个保险里的术语。你在国内才说门诊吧？这里保险的 in network，从来没有说门诊是不是in network。都是医院，医生，和其他的医疗服务，比如lab等等。你说的门诊从何而来？
还是那句话，不懂不要乱说。
保险没有门诊(outpatient)住院(in-patient)之分？这个帖子里的病人在斯坦福儿童医院住院，是Medicaid in-network.
斯坦福除了医院和儿童医院，还有自己的clinic (门诊）。
丁仲礼：“为什么不能指责，科学就是可以批评，既然你承认你是科学，你就得能经受得住人家的批评。” 不单纯只是转移话题，能看出柴静真的很震惊丁院士居然敢质疑IPCC。 除非你认为美国医生是神棍， 不容置疑！
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你自己google一下，medicaid医生的覆盖率能有多少？有多少%?
都给你说了，医院是医院，医生是医生。医生要想成为in network要单独申请。不是因为医院是in network，里面工作的医生就自然是in network。而事实上，因为medicaid付给医生的钱，比很多商业保险低很多。很多医生都不在meidicaid的in network里。
你自己好好学习学习吧。不要不懂瞎说。
你自己才是不懂胡说。 医生得到医院的privilege 需要花几个月时间，医院会为医生审核资质，办理成为各个保险的provider的手续，其中就包括Medicaid /medicare ，办理malpractice insurance .
所以那个中医说他受人邀请马上就为住院病人看病的时候，就可以肯定这个中医肯定没有斯坦福医生的privilege,这些手续没几个月根本办不下来
哪个医院的医生需要自己个人去申请成为medicaid provider?
而且加州医院2017年起，在in-network facility 里住院，就不会再有 unexpected out-network bills
你就吹吧你。还：哪个医院的医生需要自己个人去申请成为medicaid provider? 先看看医生和医院的关系再说吧。。还只要住院治疗，保险就给报。敢情就是琢磨着骗保险的钱了。。。
自己去科普一下吧。
那个id更像是专职医宣员（aka 医疗系统网络宣传员/半圆）吧，靠打压互联网上对医疗系统的意见吃饭，否则人孩子都去世了谁会没有利益相关却这么孜孜不倦地胡搅蛮缠非要把已经发生的事情说成必须是子虚乌有？
医药系统的社交媒体宣传员多了去了，还有专职patient influencers呢 https://nypost.com/2023/03/17/patient-influencers-paid-by-big-pharma-to-mislead-followers-report/ ‘Patient influencers’ paid by Big Pharma to mislead followers
你这可对不住上下五千年的璀璨历史，给解释解释中国人这个人种是怎么在历史长河中幸存下来的。
我浪费时间在这里发帖，就是不希望华人网友受人误导。很多人不了解美国医疗系统，听了些一面之词就敌视医疗系统。 这么多帖子看下来，大家自然会有自己的判断。到底是斯坦福医院迫害病人，还是病人家属在治疗上against medical advice。
另外科普一下转院程序： 如果当前住院的医院医生认为患者的病情超过医生以及医院的处理能力，会联系有能力处理这个疾病的医院的transfer center(转院处理中心），这个病例会被审核，符合转院要求的病人会被接受转院，不符合要求的会被拒绝。转院被接受以后，新的医院会有一个新的主治医生和之前医院的主治医生电话交接病人。然后医院会安排救护车甚至直升机转送病人到新医院。 转院过程不涉及任何医生的个人恩怨，不存在怕得罪哪个医生而拒绝接受转院，不存在因为医疗费用而阻止患者转院。
big pharma的氵军的title很fancy！
病人家属在治疗上against medical advice也没有犯罪，是advice又不是军令，凭啥不让人against? 因为美国医疗系统是纳粹所以不容任何人against medical advice？治不好还不能against medical advice的纳粹
我家三次坚决不听医院建议， 三次都完全正确。
第一次，孩子没事不让走。 签免责走了。 第二次， 医院追着要活摘要器官移植， 走了， 医院根本没有免责程序，直接把儿童保护组织派家里抢人威胁要绑架四个孩子。 我们拒绝回去。 第三次， 医院不让出来掩盖打算脑死亡活摘。 三个律师帮忙才逃出来。所有的medical power of attorney医院根本不认账。 起诉律师也是说得等够一个月。 其实说白了医院要杀你， 普通人没有任何反抗余地。 真是跟处决一样。
美帝医疗的可信度， 不如狗屎。 各种杀人作假绑架层出不穷。 这里面不是资格问题， 也不是程序问题， 是故意杀人绑架。
任何医院的东西， 任何名义上的东西都不能保护病人。 我现在提醒所有人这一点。 如果你以为有权利跟医生吵架， 那我告诉你你跟自杀差不多。 活下来的唯一策略是尽一切可能活着离开到医院找不到的地方。 美国人的办法就是到外州。
你跟医院吵架就想象圣地亚哥李艳的程序， 差不多。
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唯一的区别是警察其实一般懒得收拾你， 而医生绝对不会轻易放过你。
现在的医疗行业，从这个新冠疫情和疫苗开始，算是彻底撕下了虚伪的面纱。
“病人身體急速敗壞，又被送進加護病房(ICU)，這次的情況比上次更加嚴重，裝上了呼吸器及其它儀器，施打很多種西藥，情況很不穩定，而史丹福醫院目前唯一的「解決」辦法是計劃再度進行化療，把病人的免疫系統完全破壞，再看看能不能用骨髓移植來重建免疫系統，即使他們知道這樣的方式有很大的風險，在沒有更好的想法下，打賞姑且一試。而目前辛辛那提醫院拒絕接受轉院，同時，如果病人父母決定辦理出院來停止史丹福醫院的治療，史丹福醫院會向法院及政府機關提出虐待兒童的罪行，讓病人父母完全失去對兒子的監護權！”
试问一个在斯坦福上了呼吸机，被远在几千英里外的辛辛那提拒绝接收的病人，父母还打算办理出院来停止斯坦福的治疗，这行得通吗？在没有下一个医院接手的情况下，呼吸机上的病人出院就是死路一条，斯坦福不让出院难道不是理所当然？这里面隐藏的细节太多了，家属准备怎么照顾这个全身插满管子生命垂危的病人？呼吸机需要经常monitor各种参数并调整，别说病人父母，就是一般的非critical care医生都不会这个。中医那么牛逼知道怎么搞呼吸机吗？这样的病人还想带出院简直胡闹，无异于直接杀死病人，说你虐待都是轻的。贴子里谩骂的id，来解释一下这是怎么想的？
最后，我看很多人还是不了解这个CAEBV。即使没打covid疫苗，如果被covid感染一样可以reactivate EBV，网上有文献。CAEBV跟reactivated EBV不太一样，但是根本原因都是本来latent（休眠）的EBV重新活跃起来。CAEBV中这个病毒复制非常快，免疫系统根本无法控制，导致T/NK细胞大量增殖伴随各种细胞因子的产生，这些细胞因子导致严重得炎性反应。病人会出现bone marrow suppression（这个很多病毒感染都可以引起，包括covid）和pancytopenia（贫血，白细胞低，血小板低），最后出现HLH, DIC，肺炎，淋巴癌，细菌感染等并发症。注意了，不治疗的死亡率是100%，而唯一的治愈方法是骨髓移植。化疗理论上可以杀死所有这些被感染的T/NK细胞，然后再移植重建免疫系统。这个病不是一般感染，发展到这个程度以经属于lymphoproliferative disorder （淋巴细胞增生病），是跟白血病淋巴癌一个大类的病。EBV可以引起淋巴癌例如Burkitt's lymphoma是医学界公认的，所以虽然很多人是EBV carrier，但这并不是一个benign virus. 这个病的发展也不一定是线性的，会有起伏，就跟所有血液病一样时好时坏。最后，多数CAEBV病例都在东亚/日本/南美，如果中医真的能治这个病，中国和日本早就大肆宣传了。
你这种言之无物的，直接屏蔽