三名亚裔攀登西雅图边上的Cascade Mountains,遭遇雪崩不幸遇难

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gingfish
楼主 (北美华人网)

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/21/us/avalanche-deaths-washington.html
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dapingguo1234
看不了,要付费
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gingfish
看不了,要付费
dapingguo1234 发表于 2023-02-26 15:53

就是四个人约着去爬山,遭遇雪崩,死了三个,一个从纽约去的侥幸活了下来。
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Isotope
rip,多大年纪?
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waterlilyinfebruary2
去了七个人,六个登山,一个留在 base camp.带头登山的触动雪崩,6个中的二个当时刚好在大石头后方 没被波及, 第四个膝盖受伤, 试着帮受伤之一 CPR, 后来又有slides, 第三个连同另二个不行罹难。 他们都没带通讯仪器。里头的 Asians 是韩国人
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dapingguo1234
去了七个人,六个登山,一个留在 base camp.带头登山的触动雪崩,6个中的二个当时刚好在大石头后方 没被波及, 第四个膝盖受伤, 试着帮受伤之一 CPR, 后来又有slides, 第三个连同另二个不行罹难。 他们都没带通讯仪器。里头的 Asians 是韩国人
waterlilyinfebruary2 发表于 2023-02-26 16:04

什么是触动雪崩?
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tinytoy
3 Killed in Avalanche in Washington’s Cascade Mountains The climbers had been trying to reach an 8,705-foot peak when a mass of snow, ice and rock crashed down on them, the authorities said.




The three climbers killed in an avalanche over the weekend were attempting to reach the summit of Colchuck Peak in Washington State.Credit...Laurel Fan/Creative Commons By Eduardo Medina Feb. 21, 2023 3 min read Follow the latest updates on the winter weather. Three climbers who were attempting to reach the peak of a mountain in Washington State over the weekend were killed after a climber in their group triggered an avalanche as they ascended, prompting a dangerous white mass to hurtle toward them, the authorities said. The climbers, who were part of a group of six members of a New York-based Korean climbing club going on that ascent, had encountered heavy snowfall and extremely strong winds on Sunday as they attempted to reach an 8,705-foot peak in the Cascade Mountains, a range that attracts thousands of visitors each year with its sweeping views of the frosted landscape. They apparently were not aware of the avalanche forecast for Sunday morning as they suited up and moved higher in elevation toward Colchuck Peak, said Rich Magnussen, the emergency management program specialist for the Chelan County Sheriff’s Office, which interviewed the three survivors on Tuesday. “It’s real extreme conditions up there,” Mr. Magnussen said. “So when you get snow down here in the valley, you can times it by 10 up there.”
The climbers, whose names were not released by the sheriff’s office and whose remains have not been recovered, had been making steady progress, reaching 7,200 feet high up the mountain when, around 1 p.m., the person leading the group triggered a crackling avalanche, the sheriff’s office said. Four of the six climbers were struck by the pile of snow, ice and rocks, which sent them crashing down about 500 feet, Mr. Magnussen said. The other two were behind a rock when the avalanche occurred and were not injured, he added. Did you know you can share 10 gift articles a month, even with nonsubscribers? Share this article. “They just got really lucky,” Mr. Magnussen said. The fourth climber who was struck by the avalanche and survived had a knee injury. That climber, who is from New York State, saw that two of his friends had died instantly, but a third appeared to be hanging on. He performed CPR, but about an hour after the initial slide of snow, three more huge slides came down on them. “What they’re telling us is after those other slides, it looks like it may have covered the three up,” Mr. Magnussen said, referring to the three who died. Editors’ Picks Pharrell Threads the Needle REM Sleep Is Magical. Here’s What the Experts Know. Digital Clutter Can Be Overwhelming. Here’s How to Clean Up.
The three survivors trekked down to their camp, but reaching the authorities proved difficult since the group had not brought a communication device or an emergency beacon. A seventh member of the club who had not gone out with the others that day was at their base camp near Colchuck Lake, waiting for the climbers to return. That person had to hike to the trailhead, get in a vehicle, and then drive to a nearby town to call the sheriff’s office to seek help, Mr. Magnussen said. He added that officials were not informed of the episode until about 8 a.m. Monday. The authorities deployed rescue groups to the area where the three survivors had been, but because of the avalanche conditions and heavy snowfall, “it was decided they weren’t going to be able to make it up to the location of the three victims who were still up on the mountain,” Mr. Magnussen said. The sheriff’s office is hoping to send helicopters on a recovery mission for the bodies on Thursday, if the weather allows. The deaths on Sunday were the first ones connected to an avalanche in Washington this winter season, said Scott Schell, executive director of the Northwest Avalanche Center. Nine people have been reported killed this winter in avalanches in the United States, according to the Colorado Avalanche Information Center. In the 2021-22 season, 17 deaths were reported. Dangerous Avalanches
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R.I.P
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erin1111
RIP。 这种山为什么冬天去爬? 感觉没有雪崩也挺容易掉下来的。RIP.
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xiyame
RIP。 这种山为什么冬天去爬? 感觉没有雪崩也挺容易掉下来的。RIP.
erin1111 发表于 2023-02-26 16:14

而且他们去爬的时候正是storm warning,到星期二下午才解除的,那几天气气温骤降加下大雪。我本来要去滑雪都没有去。
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anotherid
RIP。 这种山为什么冬天去爬? 感觉没有雪崩也挺容易掉下来的。RIP.
erin1111 发表于 2023-02-26 16:14

同不懂,不是夏天登峰吗?有行家排疑解惑一下? rip
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longtimesago
这种季节去挑战雪山,只能说:一路走好! 你应该有准备的!
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laixiaofang
同不懂,不是夏天登峰吗?有行家排疑解惑一下? rip
anotherid 发表于 2023-02-26 17:03

爬雪山也是一种运动
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SSBN826
看不了,要付费
dapingguo1234 发表于 2023-02-26 15:53

告诉你一个方法: 装个brave browser就可以看到了。
角落里的红蔷薇
RIP
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Mazafaka2
告诉你一个方法: 装个brave browser就可以看到了。
SSBN826 发表于 2023-02-26 18:04

学习了,还能这样绕掉paywall。
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Dida123
雪崩是他们triggered ?
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tingtinglee
不看天气预报,或者看了也不重视,连通讯工具都没带,胆子真是太大了
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humanzh
雪崩是他们triggered ?
Dida123 发表于 2023-02-26 18:38

好象走在最前面那个踩引爆的
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tingtinglee
看其他地方的报道,好像还是老人家,是韩国人的登山俱乐部,都是50-60岁的, 胆子太大了,这样的天气老人家都敢爬雪山
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txauo

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/21/us/avalanche-deaths-washington.html

gingfish 发表于 2023-02-26 15:29

多看一看雪崩发生的Video就不会在这种天气出去了。  https://twitter.com/HowThingsWork_/status/1628741153192386565/video/1
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lululemon888
多看一看雪崩发生的Video就不会在这种天气出去了。  https://twitter.com/HowThingsWork_/status/1628741153192386565/video/1

txauo 发表于 2023-02-26 19:11

这人就知道录像,也不知道逃
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Oneandonly
这人就知道录像,也不知道逃
lululemon888 发表于 2023-02-26 21:17

你跑得过雪崩?他做的是正确的,找一块大石头躲在石头下面才有生存机会
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ritter
这人就知道录像,也不知道逃
lululemon888 发表于 2023-02-26 21:17

看起来那么远 没想到竟然能崩到他这里吧
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Abletonadd
https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/orXzGEHS4HBqA0kH_Dlu6w
这里有更详细的报道。 登山者是纽约韩裔登山俱乐部的,不是华盛顿州本地人。 他们要登的这座山还是很有名气的。很多人对这里的景色赞不绝口,说堪比人间天堂。但说的应该是夏天的景色。 这里徒步路线非常长,当天往返或完成环线是很困难的,所以需要露营。而在暑期进入,因为想去的人太多,所以需要抽签获得permit才可以露营。
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biubiubiubiubiu
光是看那个雪崩的视频都觉得要窒息了
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Slou9900
有各种各样的climb, rock climb, ice climb, big wall climb, mixed climb。专业的人一般擅长其中的一样,最多两样,爬到一定程度就开始各种爬法都接触一下。
https://tubitv.com/movies/540532?link-action=play&utm_source=google-feed&tracking=google-feed
这个纪录片很好看,80多分钟,Jimmy Chin 是华裔,里面有个插曲,他双版滑雪下Jackson Hole一个山头,突然触发了雪崩,以为自己没希望了,结果最后全身完好无损被身后雪的力量推送到雪崩最前沿的位置,unburied。另外两个也是神人,其中一个头颅开裂脊柱受伤五个月后再次登顶,爬的过程中中风了也不折返。非常值得一看,看看有的人不在乎cs大包裹大房子稳定工作的人生
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baobao557
雪崩就是没办法。 记得有个很年轻的free solo徒手攀岩的人,连南美那么凶险patagonia都徒手攀上去了。结果最后陪朋友装备绳索齐全地爬不是那么挑战的雪山时遇到雪崩遇难。
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miss316
雪崩就是没办法。 记得有个很年轻的free solo徒手攀岩的人,连南美那么凶险patagonia都徒手攀上去了。结果最后陪朋友装备绳索齐全地爬不是那么挑战的雪山时遇到雪崩遇难。
baobao557 发表于 2023-02-27 06:33

Marc-André Leclerc 天才登山家,英年早逝,不过他爬Cerro Torre Patagonia 的时候不是free solo,只是solo。那个山一般结组都超级难爬,free solo是不可能的。
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miss316
雪崩就是没有办法的,被全埋了自救是不可能的,只能期待有没有被埋的同伴把自己挖出来。加拿大这边有雪崩预警的网站,如果雪崩系数高就别出去找死,另外还有一套自测雪崩动作,可以知道个大概。 回头读了英文的报道,他们是触发了雪崩,在滑坠过程被石头撞到,一开始是没有被埋的,但是估计也失去意识或者已经没救了。
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tinytoy
有各种各样的climb, rock climb, ice climb, big wall climb, mixed climb。专业的人一般擅长其中的一样,最多两样,爬到一定程度就开始各种爬法都接触一下。
https://tubitv.com/movies/540532?link-action=play&utm_source=google-feed&tracking=google-feed
这个纪录片很好看,80多分钟,Jimmy Chin 是华裔,里面有个插曲,他双版滑雪下Jackson Hole一个山头,突然触发了雪崩,以为自己没希望了,结果最后全身完好无损被身后雪的力量推送到雪崩最前沿的位置,unburied。另外两个也是神人,其中一个头颅开裂脊柱受伤五个月后再次登顶,爬的过程中中风了也不折返。非常值得一看,看看有的人不在乎cs大包裹大房子稳定工作的人生
Slou9900 发表于 2023-02-27 06:27

嗯。我觉得人生很难说什么值得什么不值得。爬山不值得,那么工作和生小孩就是值得?大多数人都做的事情,就是值得尝试,因为是一条已经被走过的路?其实无所谓值得不值得,也无所谓哪里停下、哪里消失,在消失的原点之前每天最灿烂地生活就好了。
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韩国人对爬雪山近乎疯狂,2012去尼泊尔abc就看到死了三个韩国人,冒险爬边上雪山雪崩,到处贴着他们照片。
2020年大冬天雪崩死了4个韩国人,外加3个尼泊尔夏尔巴人向导 2018年走大环线死了5个韩国人和4个尼泊尔向导, 还有2014,2021,几乎每年尼泊尔都有死掉韩国人。
这些人不少人上年纪了,和人渣王石一样,为了满足自己欲望,绑架了年轻尼泊尔人去一起冒险。
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lvyw
是不是没看天气预报?
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Sweetbitter
你跑得过雪崩?他做的是正确的,找一块大石头躲在石头下面才有生存机会
Oneandonly 发表于 2023-02-26 21:40

那石头看上去也不是很大,这样也可以?
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sz253
回复 14楼SSBN826的帖子
多谢,works
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cherryfox
有各种各样的climb, rock climb, ice climb, big wall climb, mixed climb。专业的人一般擅长其中的一样,最多两样,爬到一定程度就开始各种爬法都接触一下。
https://tubitv.com/movies/540532?link-action=play&utm_source=google-feed&tracking=google-feed
这个纪录片很好看,80多分钟,Jimmy Chin 是华裔,里面有个插曲,他双版滑雪下Jackson Hole一个山头,突然触发了雪崩,以为自己没希望了,结果最后全身完好无损被身后雪的力量推送到雪崩最前沿的位置,unburied。另外两个也是神人,其中一个头颅开裂脊柱受伤五个月后再次登顶,爬的过程中中风了也不折返。非常值得一看,看看有的人不在乎cs大包裹大房子稳定工作的人生
Slou9900 发表于 2023-02-27 06:27

天呢,这几个人真是福大命大。换做是别人可能就没那么幸运了。
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trymeagain
Three climbers who were attempting to reach the peak of a mountain in Washington State over the weekend were killed after a climber in their group triggered an avalanche as they ascended, prompting a dangerous white mass to hurtle toward them, the authorities said. The climbers, who were part of a group of six members of a New York-based Korean climbing club going on that ascent, had encountered heavy snowfall and extremely strong winds on Sunday as they attempted to reach an 8,705-foot peak in the Cascade Mountains, a range that attracts thousands of visitors each year with its sweeping views of the frosted landscape. They apparently were not aware of the avalanche forecast for Sunday morning as they suited up and moved higher in elevation toward Colchuck Peak, said Rich Magnussen, the emergency management program specialist for the Chelan County Sheriff’s Office, which interviewed the three survivors on Tuesday. “It’s real extreme conditions up there,” Mr. Magnussen said. “So when you get snow down here in the valley, you can times it by 10 up there.” The climbers, whose names were not released by the sheriff’s office and whose remains have not been recovered, had been making steady progress, reaching 7,200 feet high up the mountain when, around 1 p.m., the person leading the group triggered a crackling avalanche, the sheriff’s office said. Four of the six climbers were struck by the pile of snow, ice and rocks, which sent them crashing down about 500 feet, Mr. Magnussen said. The other two were behind a rock when the avalanche occurred and were not injured, he added. “They just got really lucky,” Mr. Magnussen said. The fourth climber who was struck by the avalanche and survived had a knee injury. That climber, who is from New York State, saw that two of his friends had died instantly, but a third appeared to be hanging on. He performed CPR, but about an hour after the initial slide of snow, three more huge slides came down on them. “What they’re telling us is after those other slides, it looks like it may have covered the three up,” Mr. Magnussen said, referring to the three who died. Editors’ Picks How a Trade Changed Everything for Two N.B.A. Players and Their Dogs You’re an Anxious Person and Want to Quit Your Job. Here’s What to Do. The Best Looks From the Screen Actors Guild Awards Continue reading the main story
The three survivors trekked down to their camp, but reaching the authorities proved difficult since the group had not brought a communication device or an emergency beacon. A seventh member of the club who had not gone out with the others that day was at their base camp near Colchuck Lake, waiting for the climbers to return. That person had to hike to the trailhead, get in a vehicle, and then drive to a nearby town to call the sheriff’s office to seek help, Mr. Magnussen said. He added that officials were not informed of the episode until about 8 a.m. Monday. The authorities deployed rescue groups to the area where the three survivors had been, but because of the avalanche conditions and heavy snowfall, “it was decided they weren’t going to be able to make it up to the location of the three victims who were still up on the mountain,” Mr. Magnussen said. The sheriff’s office is hoping to send helicopters on a recovery mission for the bodies on Thursday, if the weather allows. The deaths on Sunday were the first ones connected to an avalanche in Washington this winter season, said Scott Schell, executive director of the Northwest Avalanche Center. Nine people have been reported killed this winter in avalanches in the United States, according to the Colorado Avalanche Information Center. In the 2021-22 season, 17 deaths were reported.
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Slou9900
回复 36楼cherryfox的帖子
其实这些顶尖专业登山者会计算 risk, 考虑值不值得。爬山对他们来说不难,难的是心痒痒胜利就在眼前触手可及的时候能不能告诉自己 risk 过大,这时候必须放弃。需要很tough,很成熟的 mentality, 才能在这种时刻还能做到放弃
这个片子里 Jimmy 说他妈妈还在世时曾让他保证,自己不会走在妈妈走之前,他每次衡量 risk 的时候就会想起妈妈,从来不做没绝对把握的事。后来她去世了,他这种时候还是会想起他妈妈的话,但是区别是已经没有对家人的顾虑了,他问自己 "well, how much risk am I willing to take this time"。
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回复 27楼Slou9900的帖子
Jimmy chin 很成功了。
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sweatyarmpit007
回复 40楼的帖子
He has two kids and a wife now.
我一个MD PhD 同学在加拿大雪崩去世了。 天气都很好。 同行还有另外一个年轻的MD PhD.
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Slou9900
回复 40楼的帖子
He has two kids and a wife now.
我一个MD PhD 同学在加拿大雪崩去世了。 天气都很好。 同行还有另外一个年轻的MD PhD.
sweatyarmpit007 发表于 2023-02-27 16:11

他2008,2011年试了两次Meru, 第二次成功了。来年遇到老婆,之后很快结婚,他现在还在做极限运动的摄影工作,我猜他老婆应该是支持的,不然 city girl 不会跟他一起搬到 Wyoming 住。他说那番话的时候应该比2008还早。
我看这个片子上说,Conrad Anker 在他的 climbing buddy 好友雪崩去世后跟对方的老婆日久生情结婚,求婚时信誓旦旦,with good faith of course,说再也不爬山,把好友的三个儿子抚养成人。但他的老婆非常理解,知道这种承诺对这些人来说不可能的。他们真的愿意让配偶做自己喜欢的事,很伟大。
Jimmy 妈妈对他有那样的要求,我觉得也是很合理,也很伟大。她最终放弃了之前对儿子的一切普通父母的正常期望,同意让他儿子做这么危险的事,只要求他不要走在自己前面
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baobao557
那石头看上去也不是很大,这样也可以?
Sweetbitter 发表于 2023-02-27 09:57

那个视频,据说拍摄的人背后就是有悬崖,侧着跑的话也不好走。说是他们几个人都躲在那个石头后面安全度过,唯一一个往侧面跑得,也只跑了10feet远就被雪冲倒在地上,腿受了伤
边缘人类
R.I.P, 还是要敬畏大自然