What’s absolutely confirmed at the moment appears to be 14 Challengers, 28 Leopard 2s, and 31 Abrams. Both the Challengers and those first 28 Leopard 2s are likely to be in Ukraine around the end of March (that date was confirmed by both Germany and the U.K. this morning). Poland may actually get their tanks across the border first, but training is the real obstacle to moving faster. When the U.S. Abrams will appear isn’t known, but figure that it likely take at least six months before the first crews are sufficiently trained to operate and maintain the American tank. Also, there continue to be questions about just where these tanks will be sourced, which could push deliveries out further. So 87 Western main battle tanks is the bare minimum heading toward Ukraine. However, it’s a long way from the maximum. The actual number that is likely to come from Germany alone looks to be over 100. However, these tanks will be delivered in tranches as they are fitted out and repaired by manufacturer Rheinmetall (the actual number of functional tanks in German service at this point is thought to be around 300, and they’re unlikely to dip too far into that number). When it comes to Spain, newspapers have published both that number of 40 and a higher number of 53, neither of which is confirmed at this point. Overall, assuming everything gets confirmed, the number of Leopards comes up to over 200. 详情可以看这里： https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/1/26/2149365/-Ukraine-update-When-all-else-fails-Russia-can-still-depend-on-Donald-Trump-to-spread-weakness
回复 14楼驫龘麤靐的帖子 还有人也在查这个消息，哈哈： Man did I go down a rabbit hole. The T-34s from Laos apparently went to Russia around 2019: https://nationalinterest.org/blog/reboot/t-34-russian-tank-world-war-ii-thats-still-service-193399 The Russians still have some that work because they showcase them every year during the Great Patriotic War parade in Moscow: https://www.alamy.com/moscow-t-34-85-tank-on-tverskaya-street-before-the-rehearsal-of-the-parade-dedicated-to-the-76th-anniversary-of-the-victory-in-the-great-patriotic-war-image425370317.html Here’s a squeaky clean one for sale: T-34 For Sale in the UK https://www.milweb.net/webvert/a6379/103082 Finally, a restored one during a live fire exhibition: https://youtube.com/watch?v=0v5zdE21gXU&si=EnSIkaIECMiOmarE 系统提示：若遇到视频无法播放请点击下方链接 https://www.youtube.com/embed/0v5zdE21gXU?showinfo=0
What’s absolutely confirmed at the moment appears to be 14 Challengers, 28 Leopard 2s, and 31 Abrams. Both the Challengers and those first 28 Leopard 2s are likely to be in Ukraine around the end of March (that date was confirmed by both Germany and the U.K. this morning). Poland may actually get their tanks across the border first, but training is the real obstacle to moving faster. When the U.S. Abrams will appear isn’t known, but figure that it likely take at least six months before the first crews are sufficiently trained to operate and maintain the American tank. Also, there continue to be questions about just where these tanks will be sourced, which could push deliveries out further. So 87 Western main battle tanks is the bare minimum heading toward Ukraine. However, it’s a long way from the maximum. The actual number that is likely to come from Germany alone looks to be over 100. However, these tanks will be delivered in tranches as they are fitted out and repaired by manufacturer Rheinmetall (the actual number of functional tanks in German service at this point is thought to be around 300, and they’re unlikely to dip too far into that number). When it comes to Spain, newspapers have published both that number of 40 and a higher number of 53, neither of which is confirmed at this point. Overall, assuming everything gets confirmed, the number of Leopards comes up to over 200. 详情可以看这里： https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/1/26/2149365/-Ukraine-update-When-all-else-fails-Russia-can-still-depend-on-Donald-Trump-to-spread-weakness desktop 发表于 2023-01-26 14:01
What’s absolutely confirmed at the moment appears to be 14 Challengers, 28 Leopard 2s, and 31 Abrams. Both the Challengers and those first 28 Leopard 2s are likely to be in Ukraine around the end of March (that date was confirmed by both Germany and the U.K. this morning). Poland may actually get their tanks across the border first, but training is the real obstacle to moving faster. When the U.S. Abrams will appear isn’t known, but figure that it likely take at least six months before the first crews are sufficiently trained to operate and maintain the American tank. Also, there continue to be questions about just where these tanks will be sourced, which could push deliveries out further. So 87 Western main battle tanks is the bare minimum heading toward Ukraine. However, it’s a long way from the maximum.
The actual number that is likely to come from Germany alone looks to be over 100. However, these tanks will be delivered in tranches as they are fitted out and repaired by manufacturer Rheinmetall (the actual number of functional tanks in German service at this point is thought to be around 300, and they’re unlikely to dip too far into that number). When it comes to Spain, newspapers have published both that number of 40 and a higher number of 53, neither of which is confirmed at this point. Overall, assuming everything gets confirmed, the number of Leopards comes up to over 200.
详情可以看这里：
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/1/26/2149365/-Ukraine-update-When-all-else-fails-Russia-can-still-depend-on-Donald-Trump-to-spread-weakness
俄罗斯出钱加出命。中国出嘴。
中国也没少出钱，无奈鹅爹扶不上墙。本来一带一路也在乌克兰撒了不少钱，结果两头空。现在只能让水军们每天造谣谩骂来发泄。
今年肯定有机会的，北约和俄制飞机空中大决战也可期待。
发言的twitter账户也算是是大V了，消息的真实性有兴趣的人可以慢慢追查。
颜色革命后，无论中俄，和乌克兰的关系都不如以前了。中乌军事交易大部分发生在颜色革命前。而且近年来乌克兰在美国鼓动下无理撕毁马达西奇合同，扣押中方资金，还把中方公司的人直接制裁不准入境。乌克兰想要中国帮忙，先把这几亿美元还回来再说吧
可以去推上问一下，如果看到T-34上战场，观众直播吃屎，看不到，推主直播吃屎。
稍微查了一下，是2019年1月份的事情，应该是毛子买来阅兵的。dailymail里的视频1：31开始的那段采访，和twitter视频里的人一样，电台话筒一样。后面坦克编号7XX也一致。
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6581189/Russia-forced-import-T-34-tanks-helped-defeat-Nazis-Laos-use-military-parades.html
https://twitter.com/gerashchenko_en/status/1618564448582774784
哈哈哈，所以是19年买来怀旧用的？老挝还真的维护了这样久，不容易！
还有人也在查这个消息，哈哈：
Man did I go down a rabbit hole. The T-34s from Laos apparently went to Russia around 2019: https://nationalinterest.org/blog/reboot/t-34-russian-tank-world-war-ii-thats-still-service-193399
The Russians still have some that work because they showcase them every year during the Great Patriotic War parade in Moscow:
https://www.alamy.com/moscow-t-34-85-tank-on-tverskaya-street-before-the-rehearsal-of-the-parade-dedicated-to-the-76th-anniversary-of-the-victory-in-the-great-patriotic-war-image425370317.html
Here’s a squeaky clean one for sale: T-34 For Sale in the UK https://www.milweb.net/webvert/a6379/103082
Finally, a restored one during a live fire exhibition:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=0v5zdE21gXU&si=EnSIkaIECMiOmarE
系统提示：若遇到视频无法播放请点击下方链接
https://www.youtube.com/embed/0v5zdE21gXU?showinfo=0
那个大V这么移花接木挺没意思的，T34在45年就过时了，有那钱，去民用市场买大疆费效比要好的多的多。 好像老挝的是从越南得到的，没准越南是中国给的，这么多年还能用，真不容易，当年这货就是作为一次性耗材生产的，换档要用锤子砸。
应该再多给些，才这么一点点，啥时打败大熊，结束战斗？一次到位，才能把战争形势扭转。
不是说 只给这些
这仅仅是个 政治进程，
一切都在不断地变化
是这样啊，那放心了。还以为欧洲和北约畏手畏脚，不敢多给，怕把大熊惹毛了，自己日子不好过呢？！
的确一直也是缩手缩脚
马达西奇这个事情就是谣言 中国政府自己都处理辟谣 五毛粉红还天天叫嚣这个事情，叫人看不起
普京任何时候都可以选择退出，他自己要上套别人也拦不住。
泽连斯基此前签署命令，乌克兰国家安全和国防委员会有关保护航空发动机制造的决定生效。命令中未说明具体是何决定，也未指明涉及哪些企业。乌克兰国家安全和国防委员会早前决定，让航空制造商“马达西奇”公司回归国有，而中国北京天骄航空公司（Skyrizon）是其股东之一。基辅舍甫琴科区法院查封了“马达西奇”100%的股份，并移交给乌克兰贪腐等犯罪资产调查管理局管理。华春莹就泽连斯基的命令发表评论时表示：“我们关注了这一消息。中国要求乌方维护中国投资者和企业的合法权益，妥善处理相关问题。”
乌克兰实际上是在美国人的压力下从中国投资者手中没收该公司的。“马达西奇”公司的故事持续了不止一年。在2014年乌克兰政变之前，俄罗斯采购了该公司的大部分产品。 在2014年政变后，乌克兰冻结了对俄产品供应，该公司由此失去了主要进口商。2017年“马达西奇”工厂所有方决定出售控股股份。
中国私人投资者们对乌克兰“马达西奇”工厂的产品感兴趣，他们收购了75%——80%的公司股份。但美国人不喜欢这笔交易，他们假借乌克兰安全局和其它国家机构之手冻结交易，不许中国投资者们管理自己所收购的资产。中国投资者们于去年年底申请国际仲裁，向乌克兰国家追偿35亿美元的损失。
2021年1月底，乌克兰总统弗拉基米尔·泽林斯基对中国投资者实施制裁，“马达西奇”工厂被收归国有。中国外交部称这些限制是没有根据的。
WSJ的
乌克兰计划将一家知名航空航天制造商国有化并取消其被中国收购的交易，此前美国对该项交易表示反对，旨在防止关键性国防技术落入中国政府手中。
乌克兰政府的国家安全委员会上周宣布了对先进发动机制造商马达西奇(Motor Sich)的决定。这一决定激怒了中国，中国要求乌克兰尊重中国投资者的权利，与此同时，该计划仍需获得乌克兰立法机构的批准，并且可能面临那些被拒的中国投资者发起的法律挑战
中美想要的基本都能得到满足。
美国需要一个破烂的俄罗斯加一个羸弱的欧洲和一个强势的北约。
中国需要一个破烂且依靠自己的俄罗斯，需要一个经济上和它无法脱钩的欧洲。
回头乌克兰人都打没了，这个国家也该改名了
这句话听起来令人毛骨悚然
中国和美国的战略舒适点都是: 乌克兰战而不降，俄罗斯困而不崩
所以这战有的打，所有的军援啊吹牛嘴炮啊，都是勾着两只毛掉进这个陷阱
至于大妈们天天津津乐道的乌克兰多惨，俄军又死多少人，who cares?
韩国什么样，以后乌克兰也会什么样。
至于俄罗斯，“俄罗斯将正是沦为依靠矿产能源农业为生的三流国家，但是手握大量核武器”。你想想为啥乌克兰当年不留着核武器。只要俄罗斯经济崩溃没法维护核武器，西方会出钱协助俄罗斯销毁核武器。