德州没事 记得有个德州案子 嫖客给妓女钱, 结果妓女没提供服务, 想开车逃跑 被嫖客乱枪打死, 判无罪, 因为嫖客拿回自己钱是正当的 Jury Acquits Texas Man Who Shot and Killed Craigslist Escort Who Wouldn''t Have Sex With Him
Court says Ezekiel Gilbert''''s actions were justified as escort took his money A 30-year-old man has been cleared of murder after a jury agreed his actions were justified after he shot an escort when she took his money but refused to have sex with him.
“The person he shot was in the process of committing robbery and consequently his use of force in defense of himself and innocent third parties is completely justified in Texas,” said former HPD officer, now lawyer, Thomas Nixon. “He was reasonably in fear of serious bodily injury or death.” Nixon said the shooter had no obligation to stay at the scene and explain himself since he didn’t commit a crime. There are only two crimes in which someone has to stay on the scene under Texas law, he said, both involving vehicle accidents.
扔枪其实是个加分项,说明他并不想开枪,不得已而为之。”why did this idiot put himself and me in such a horrific position?” 离开现场也不是啥问题。 倒饮料是个潜在的”侮辱尸体”罪。但是可以被解释成in the heat of the moment。 道德是由社会来判断的。你要去YouTube Reddit 看,99% 是支持他的。所以道德上也没问题。
他开枪基本是连续的,最后一枪也还是和前面一个sequence(包括踢走武器), 这就没有问题。training, muscle memory, perception of threat (what if the perp was not incapacitated and had another weapon), 都可以拿来justify 他的行为。 如果他停了一会儿才开第九枪那么才是个问题。
德州没事 记得有个德州案子 嫖客给妓女钱, 结果妓女没提供服务, 想开车逃跑 被嫖客乱枪打死, 判无罪, 因为嫖客拿回自己钱是正当的 Jury Acquits Texas Man Who Shot and Killed Craigslist Escort Who Wouldn''t Have Sex With Him laohua001 发表于 2023-01-07 13:03
“The person he shot was in the process of committing robbery and consequently his use of force in defense of himself and innocent third parties is completely justified in Texas,” said former HPD officer, now lawyer, Thomas Nixon. “He was reasonably in fear of serious bodily injury or death.” Nixon said the shooter had no obligation to stay at the scene and explain himself since he didn’t commit a crime. There are only two crimes in which someone has to stay on the scene under Texas law, he said, both involving vehicle accidents.
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https://www.youtube.com/embed/z3YPh04rE_Y?showinfo=0 补个视频吧。。 肯定有人说为啥不射腿,为啥背后射,为啥人家都要走了你还射。。。 Don‘t Mess with Texas.在德州肯定没有刑事责任。。。。在加州就不好说了。。。。
他背后开枪可能是关键, 真枪假枪不重要。看德州当地法律。
如果这个歹徒已经往外走了, 背对着你了,你再从背后开枪,在美国绝大部分州都是有责任的。
这个罪犯来来回回的,谁保证他往外走的
当时劫匪还在饭馆内,一时的背对开枪良民,并不意味着劫匪是在终止/结束犯罪 离开现场
完全可能是其在屋内战术游走,随时有转身的可能, 况且这时候劫匪还是持枪,随时可能伤人
这个良民击毙劫匪没有任何问题
当然,如果劫匪已经出门且背对良民,这时候开枪会有麻烦(因为出门,且背对,是离开的明确无误的信号)
如果这个抢劫犯已经离开了这个小店,walk away,你追出去背后开枪,也许有问题。现在的情况是他还是在犯罪现场,只不过当时背对着当事人,这个开枪当然是justified。难道要逼着人在持枪抢劫犯正面面对自己的时候才能有行动开枪保护自己?
我觉得更大可能是去过伊拉克或者阿富汗的退伍兵。
黑社会也有人权😂
Jury Acquits Texas Man Who Shot and Killed Craigslist Escort Who Wouldn''t Have Sex With Him
这个太过了吧,这个明明是经济纠纷。
德州人认为拿了钱就应该办事
Court says Ezekiel Gilbert''''s actions were justified as escort took his money
A 30-year-old man has been cleared of murder after a jury agreed his actions were justified after he shot an escort when she took his money but refused to have sex with him.
那一桌还没抢,不是在往外走吧,感觉是想再来一轮
这真是假和尚遇到了真佛爷
That does not change anything. 只要当事人当时认为这个枪是真的就可以了
Nixon said the shooter had no obligation to stay at the scene and explain himself since he didn’t commit a crime. There are only two crimes in which someone has to stay on the scene under Texas law, he said, both involving vehicle accidents.
还每个州一样!真别误导人。
正解!
那有怎么样?至少在这件事情上秃哥做的正义
所有深蓝的地方都可能有问题,包括德州的深蓝黑洞
包庇罪犯这是左叉猪党一贯的政策,当年排华法案的时候就这样了。。。。 当时以爱尔兰人为主的流氓,四处攻击小黄人最后都被猪党保护,屁事没有。。和毛腿刚上台猪党安排的2万多起攻击小黄人一样,一个被判刑的都没有。。。
这种满嘴跑火车的,说些很容易被查证证伪的东西,我怀疑你是倒钩。
随便查一下,踢华裔老奶奶的Tammel Esco判了17年; 德州那个砍菲律宾一家的判了25年。
如果一知半解请不要乱说。我拿手枪执照的时候,教官专门做了一个case study,问歹徒如果已经拿枪在往外走了,你要不要开枪。当时各种回答都有,有一种就是你这种,自以为懂法律,以为只有在受到直接侵害的时候才能自卫。教官当场就说是错误的,歹徒往外走,谁也不能保证他不会突然回头开枪杀人,所以致命威胁仍然存在,所以仍然可以开枪自卫。 补充一句,我在深蓝洲。
作为律师,我可以负责任的说,在加州,DA也不会起诉。
这几乎是教科书式的案例了。
这个开枪的也没干啥坏事,还救了那么多人,媒体竟然连他开的车都曝光了,过分了吧!
但是引起风波的是他之后愤怒扔枪,往死者脸上泼饮料,还有不等警察来擅自走人的行为。估计这件事最后法律上他大概率是无辜,但是道德上是另外一回事了。罗翔老师不是说了吗,法律是社会民众的底线,法律规定的惩罚标准,均是最低的道德标准。
太好了!法律允许就好!
学习了。原来以为背对着会有问题
一点不惊讶。前两年Kyle Rittenhouse开枪的那个事情还记得吧?一帮子左派说这个Kyle Rittenhouse是杀人犯,非要把他关进监狱,这么明显基本上没有任何异议的开枪自卫事件在全美国吵得沸沸扬扬就是一个很不正常的现象。你去看看网上多少大喊Kyle Rittenhouse是杀人犯的言论就不会觉得人家的担心是不正常的。
扔枪其实是个加分项,说明他并不想开枪,不得已而为之。”why did this idiot put himself and me in such a horrific position?”
离开现场也不是啥问题。
倒饮料是个潜在的”侮辱尸体”罪。但是可以被解释成in the heat of the moment。
道德是由社会来判断的。你要去YouTube Reddit 看,99% 是支持他的。所以道德上也没问题。
瞎说 版上讨论很多了, 换了警察标准流程就是确保打死。 开几十上百枪的都有
> “这个握枪的姿势显然是老手。应该是军队或者警察出身?“
枪支俱乐部的爱好者也是这样持枪的
哈,有的wsn觉得自己满嘴脏话就很雄辩了 幸好有层主这种专业的
不光是持枪和开枪,是他那种matter of fact, been there, done that, about as serious as spilling my coffee on my way to work 的态度。
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https://twitter.com/i/videos/1611824003932475392
我肯定会选择打前四枪,绝对是自卫,管你哪个州;
第四枪以后,抢劫者倒地,枪已经甩开了,见红框
第九枪是先收缴了抢劫者的枪,然后抵近在头上开枪,开枪前抢劫者已经不动了,并且明显可见开枪者已经完成缴械
第九枪可能会给开枪者带来麻烦,如果是我,我不会在罪犯躺在地上不动了、并且被我缴械了以后行刑式开第九枪,我不是警察,我可能会因为第九枪惹到麻烦,能开枪自卫同时能避免法律麻烦是最好。
希望DA直接选择不起诉。。。
Good to know thx
我也觉得有这个可能。因为如果普通人发生这样的事情,通常在枪击后会打电话报警,并在原地等候警察。 但这个开枪者竟然扬长而去。
不过我认为他开枪的行为是正当的的,既然如此,射击后扬长而去似乎也没啥可被批评的。
谁知道歹徒有几只枪。淘抢就得打死。枪战片没看过?哪怕有一口气也可能背后给一枪。
他开枪基本是连续的,最后一枪也还是和前面一个sequence(包括踢走武器), 这就没有问题。training, muscle memory, perception of threat (what if the perp was not incapacitated and had another weapon), 都可以拿来justify 他的行为。
如果他停了一会儿才开第九枪那么才是个问题。
怎么看出来他要离开?万一他一回头对着大家狂射呢?
所有射击都是正当的。仔细观察的话,会发现第8次射击和第9次射击间隔很长,显然是他发现抢劫犯动了一下,又补了最后一枪。因为抢劫犯的移动说明他还有可能产生危害后果。也说明他是在对方存在危害可能时开的枪。 这个人开枪很冷静。他的枪里估计有15发子弹。很多警察遇到这样的情况都会打出15发子弹,清空弹匣。而这个人没有。
jury是不会有问题,即使起诉了,最后极大概率还是无罪
但你要知道这是休斯顿
以后DA的职业道路要选法官的话,有可能是休斯顿当地人在投票。。。休斯顿可并不那么红。所以DA的心思并不一定在定罪率一个指标上。所以那个第九枪换我我是不会开的,收益太小,徒惹麻烦。
这个案子厉害。
如何知道是假枪?
休斯顿是深蓝城市
“他说,根据得克萨斯州的法律,只有两种犯罪行为需要有人留在现场,而且都涉及车祸。”
最后这句话亮了。
事后诸葛亮