属实，一年多以前Clinton时期的财政部长，Obama的经济学顾问Larry Summers就反复警告过度的刺激计划会引发一代人都未见过的通胀并且破坏金融市场稳定性。 https://www.ft.com/content/9935be40-d041-4b7d-acac-4d86f3c25100 The primary risks today involve overheating, asset price inflation and subsequent financial excessive leverage and subsequent financial instability 结果受到民主党官僚强烈抨击, 理由之一竟然是懂经济的Yellen女士会严密监控inflation https://www.ft.com/content/2ed793d2-fb65-4ec7-9b4c-5851b2c780f3 Lawrence Summers, who served as Bill Clinton’s treasury secretary and Barack Obama’s top economic adviser, warned that Biden’s plan was excessive and that it might trigger “inflationary pressures of a kind we have not seen in a generation, with consequences for the value of the dollar and financial stability”. ...... The message from Summers struck a nerve. By Friday morning, a fierce backlash to his comments was building both inside the White House, among Democrats on Capitol Hill, as well as progressive activists ...... Jared Bernstein, a member of Biden’s White House council of economic advisers, said the administration believed it was crucial to “hit back hard” and “hit back strong” with fiscal support and said there was “complete consensus” within the team on the calibration and size of the package. He also said Summers was “flat out wrong” in suggesting the administration was underplaying inflation dangers. “Janet Yellen is our treasury secretary, OK? ,” he said referring to the former Fed chair. “She knows a little something about inflationary risks and has tracked that economic issue forever.” 一个插曲是Summers虽然自己也是民主党，但作为Havard校长期间因为发表歧视女性的言论被搞下台，哈弗还特意任命一个女性新校长来恶心他。看看Clinton Obama时期技术官僚的班底，跟现在一对比，真是感慨一代不如一代啊。
属实，一年多以前Clinton时期的财政部长，Obama的经济学顾问Larry Summers就反复警告过度的刺激计划会引发一代人都未见过的通胀并且破坏金融市场稳定性。 https://www.ft.com/content/9935be40-d041-4b7d-acac-4d86f3c25100 The primary risks today involve overheating, asset price inflation and subsequent financial excessive leverage and subsequent financial instability 结果受到民主党官僚强烈抨击, 理由之一竟然是懂经济的Yellen女士会严密监控inflation https://www.ft.com/content/2ed793d2-fb65-4ec7-9b4c-5851b2c780f3 Lawrence Summers, who served as Bill Clinton’s treasury secretary and Barack Obama’s top economic adviser, warned that Biden’s plan was excessive and that it might trigger “inflationary pressures of a kind we have not seen in a generation, with consequences for the value of the dollar and financial stability”. ...... The message from Summers struck a nerve. By Friday morning, a fierce backlash to his comments was building both inside the White House, among Democrats on Capitol Hill, as well as progressive activists ...... Jared Bernstein, a member of Biden’s White House council of economic advisers, said the administration believed it was crucial to “hit back hard” and “hit back strong” with fiscal support and said there was “complete consensus” within the team on the calibration and size of the package. He also said Summers was “flat out wrong” in suggesting the administration was underplaying inflation dangers. “Janet Yellen is our treasury secretary, OK? ,” he said referring to the former Fed chair. “She knows a little something about inflationary risks and has tracked that economic issue forever.” 一个插曲是Summers虽然自己也是民主党，但作为Havard校长期间因为发表歧视女性的言论被搞下台，哈弗还特意任命一个女性新校长来恶心他。看看Clinton Obama时期技术官僚的班底，跟现在一对比，真是感慨一代不如一代啊。
属实，一年多以前Clinton时期的财政部长，Obama的经济学顾问Larry Summers就反复警告过度的刺激计划会引发一代人都未见过的通胀并且破坏金融市场稳定性。 https://www.ft.com/content/9935be40-d041-4b7d-acac-4d86f3c25100 The primary risks today involve overheating, asset price inflation and subsequent financial excessive leverage and subsequent financial instability 结果受到民主党官僚强烈抨击, 理由之一竟然是懂经济的Yellen女士会严密监控inflation https://www.ft.com/content/2ed793d2-fb65-4ec7-9b4c-5851b2c780f3 Lawrence Summers, who served as Bill Clinton’s treasury secretary and Barack Obama’s top economic adviser, warned that Biden’s plan was excessive and that it might trigger “inflationary pressures of a kind we have not seen in a generation, with consequences for the value of the dollar and financial stability”. ...... The message from Summers struck a nerve. By Friday morning, a fierce backlash to his comments was building both inside the White House, among Democrats on Capitol Hill, as well as progressive activists ...... Jared Bernstein, a member of Biden’s White House council of economic advisers, said the administration believed it was crucial to “hit back hard” and “hit back strong” with fiscal support and said there was “complete consensus” within the team on the calibration and size of the package. He also said Summers was “flat out wrong” in suggesting the administration was underplaying inflation dangers. “Janet Yellen is our treasury secretary, OK? ,” he said referring to the former Fed chair. “She knows a little something about inflationary risks and has tracked that economic issue forever.” 一个插曲是Summers虽然自己也是民主党，但作为Havard校长期间因为发表歧视女性的言论被搞下台，哈弗还特意任命一个女性新校长来恶心他。看看Clinton Obama时期技术官僚的班底，跟现在一对比，真是感慨一代不如一代啊。
dayou888 发表于 2022-06-07 22:36
看看Jared Bernstein是学什么专业的，你就知道为何这厮口出狂言了。这个人自己是垃圾不是他的错，Biden选了他那才是悲剧。 Bernstein graduated with a bachelor''s degree in music from the Manhattan School of Music where he studied double bass with Orin O''Brien. He also earned a Master of Social Work from Hunter College as well as a master''s degree in philosophy and a PhD in social welfare from Columbia University.[4]
08次贷危机，连普通老百姓都在骂经济学家。然后我也跟风和小伙伴嘲笑了一番。工作关系，稍微了解了一些经济方面的知识，觉得这一学科并不像当年说的那么扯淡。最近读了本书才知道，其实1969年以前，美国根本不相信经济有用，直到1969年美联储主席是经济学家，学经济的才有话语权。到了08年一下打回原形了。
那么，经济学到底有用么？有什么用？
对经济学很有兴趣，但是教材有点枯燥，沉不下心去看。请推荐有意思的经济学书单吧。
我记得你是律师，我以为你要建议我从法律看起
哲学太太太太深奥了，比经济深奥多了，臣妾做不到啊！(脑补一下蔡少芬的表情)
08年经济学口碑太烂了，没人信了
懂的就都说说，别进来就只说一句就跑啊，说一句大神可能听得懂，作为小白，我听不懂啊
如果你要问它作为一门学科，对社会有什么用，那么2019年诺奖得主关于贫穷的本质、干预的有效性的分析，应该算是发展经济学对欠发达地区的最直接的帮助了。
https://news.un.org/zh/story/2019/10/1044031
至于有趣有意思的书，也非常多啊，牛奶可乐经济学啊，漫步华尔街啊，还有很多了，还有Thomas Sowell的书啊，
你看上几本，就会延伸看了，多看就知道了，知识说难得，其实也蛮容易的
经济学，基本上就是研究 对有限资源的处置和选择，所以你每时每刻都和经济有关，包括上华人网发帖
我理科生好吧 你是律师 你得有基本的逻辑 才好乱看东西 我对你的观察是 得从哲学开始看
我觉得是思维方式吧，如何做到理论联系实际呢？
不行，哲学太深奥了，碰不得碰不得。。。我还是研究明白浅显的道理吧，那么深奥的东西，我怕读完觉得人生无意义，就直接自杀了。我现在觉得活着可好了，这么多有意思的事。
来嘛，给我们科普科普
那是08年以后吧？这个行业好的时候，像cs一样，都是想马上赚大钱的才学这个
经济学一直都有用，60/70年代无非几个经济学学派之间的理论竞争。。
经济学的最大作用是让你理解社会运行的底层规律。。
70年代之前没人用吧？没人信的过。
如何知道社会运行的底层规律，来科普一下吧，我把小板凳搬来
70年代之前西方主流一直是凯恩斯主义，这不是一样是经济学？
属实，一年多以前Clinton时期的财政部长，Obama的经济学顾问Larry Summers就反复警告过度的刺激计划会引发一代人都未见过的通胀并且破坏金融市场稳定性。
https://www.ft.com/content/9935be40-d041-4b7d-acac-4d86f3c25100 The primary risks today involve overheating, asset price inflation and subsequent financial excessive leverage and subsequent financial instability
结果受到民主党官僚强烈抨击, 理由之一竟然是懂经济的Yellen女士会严密监控inflation
https://www.ft.com/content/2ed793d2-fb65-4ec7-9b4c-5851b2c780f3
Lawrence Summers, who served as Bill Clinton’s treasury secretary and Barack Obama’s top economic adviser, warned that Biden’s plan was excessive and that it might trigger “inflationary pressures of a kind we have not seen in a generation, with consequences for the value of the dollar and financial stability”. ...... The message from Summers struck a nerve. By Friday morning, a fierce backlash to his comments was building both inside the White House, among Democrats on Capitol Hill, as well as progressive activists ...... Jared Bernstein, a member of Biden’s White House council of economic advisers, said the administration believed it was crucial to “hit back hard” and “hit back strong” with fiscal support and said there was “complete consensus” within the team on the calibration and size of the package. He also said Summers was “flat out wrong” in suggesting the administration was underplaying inflation dangers. “Janet Yellen is our treasury secretary, OK? ,” he said referring to the former Fed chair. “She knows a little something about inflationary risks and has tracked that economic issue forever.”
一个插曲是Summers虽然自己也是民主党，但作为Havard校长期间因为发表歧视女性的言论被搞下台，哈弗还特意任命一个女性新校长来恶心他。看看Clinton Obama时期技术官僚的班底，跟现在一对比，真是感慨一代不如一代啊。
你需要了解一下经济学发展史。早在1929年大衰退时期，凯恩斯就横空出世了，奠定了现代宏观经济学的基础。
至于如何知道社会运行的底层规律，那不就是你需要在这个学科里读的东西吗？从微观经济学的消费者行为模型开始理解呗，然后一步一步build up新古典主义经济学的整套模型。
所以你是自己不想读书，就等着别人嚼碎了用唾沫和好了讲给你听？有点怪异的行为。
楼主想知道的，也是一般大家心目中的经济学，其实是宏观。宏观就是很难，影响因素太多，数据太少，几乎没有实验条件。
终于有长篇大论了，先mark再看
凯恩斯是宏观经济学。。
但微观经济学也一样有用，比如说企业产品的定价策略之类的，都是在微观经济学指导下，根据供需关系推算出来的。。
Bill Clinton应该是学霸型的，当初拿了罗德学者去英国躲兵役去了
看看Jared Bernstein是学什么专业的，你就知道为何这厮口出狂言了。这个人自己是垃圾不是他的错，Biden选了他那才是悲剧。
Bernstein graduated with a bachelor''s degree in music from the Manhattan School of Music where he studied double bass with Orin O''Brien. He also earned a Master of Social Work from Hunter College as well as a master''s degree in philosophy and a PhD in social welfare from Columbia University.[4]
首先是供需关系，了解这个简单概念，可以帮助你了解价格波动，已经以后包括税收对市场的影响。
另外，了解靠市场自我调节如何可以达到最优，就是我们当年学的“无形的手“。这个管理市场要比计划经济有效多了。
财富分配也是一门学问。其实问题就要使得分配方式尽量让pie变大，而且要pie是更加公平，也就是要照顾低收入人群。书里详细讲了提高最低收入可能造成的影响。
还可以了解一些关于通货膨胀对经济整体和个人的影响，钱都是从哪里来，往哪里去的。
挺有意思的，我现在手上没有这书，所以只能随便想点说。
赞干货分享啊！需要的就是这样的干货。谢谢分享！
然后你发现里边干货不多，没有什么值得mark的了
第一遍需要先学这些基本理论。。。
第二遍的时候，就可以多思考这些基本经济学理论运行所需要的隐含前提。。 世界上很多的经济问题，都是因为执政者忽视了这些隐含前提
比如说市场调节达到最优的隐含前提是客观存在这么一个依然可以运营，依然可以配置资源的市场。。。 而很多时候，在经济危机时，或者说当初苏联崩溃后搞休克疗法的时候，这个市场是缺失的，不注意这些，政策就会出问题。。
08年的经验教训就是当时财政刺激太小了，远远不够，造成了后续经济复苏的力度很慢，时间拖了很久。。
这也导致了同样那批人，在面对这次危机的时候，倾向于尽可能的加大刺激，矫枉过正，导致了这次刺激过度/通胀抬头。。呵呵。。
我以前以为他们就是成天忽悠的砖家。。。。
赞！
08年普遍觉得是这帮经济学家造成的
是华尔街造成的，是经济学家救活的。 金融和经济是两回事。
按以前那种fed不介入自由市场的搞法，那可能十年都救不回来，我们现在可能都还在每天吃土豆吃救济。
现在又吃了零八年的教训，所以更加拼命印钱，但也不是事。
08年次贷规模其实没多大，搞成后来这样，完全是政府的责任。。
我觉得牛顿的物理学对西方所有其他科学的影响都太大，传统经济学都把经济当做热力学系统研究，研究均衡，随机涨落等，把经济学完全数学化，其实这些都是经济学最机械简单的部分。经济学是人的行为的科学，本质在于人性，亚当斯密就懂得这个道理，他写的道德情操论比国富论更深刻而基础，他自己也知道这是经济学的基础，更难，所以修改了好多次。而经济学目前最好的理论恰恰是一般认为非主流的奥地利经济学派，认为人性，人的行为，还有导致生活方式跃迁，创造新需求，打破范式均衡的创新才是是经济学的灵魂。
同想听听学学，小板凳已经坐好了……
说的好！
好棒啊！请多指教
是油管号吗
好的！谢谢哦
赞， “认为人性，人的行为，还有导致生活方式跃迁，创造新需求，打破范式均衡的创新才是是经济学的灵魂。” 这个解释了各种周期都是内生的。。自发的现象。。各种干预都是延缓周期的发生。就像你可以长寿但是你打不破“生住坏灭”的周期。
经济规律的本质是什么？跟人的行为相关，怎么可能完全是理工科那一套科学呢？
经济学很广啊，有的方向，比如博弈论什么的，就是应用数学；有的方向，比如经济政策，就是文科
谢谢推荐，我搜搜