大家有空恶补一下美国撤侨政策吧。知识储备着,就不会有天真想法了。 现在乌克兰: U.S. citizens seeking emergency assistance and those who decide to remain in Ukraine should complete this online form and the State Department will respond. The U.S. government will not be able to evacuate U.S. citizens from Ukraine. Please review what the U.S. government can and cannot do to assist you in a crisis overseas. U.S. citizens may seek consular services, including requests for repatriation loans, passport, and visa services, at U.S. embassies and consulates in neighboring countries. https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/international-travel/emergencies/what-state-dept-can-cant-do-crisis.html Will the United States Government always evacuate citizens in crises? Our primary role is to keep the U.S. citizen community informed of safety and security developments and travel options. Regularly scheduled commercial transportation is always the best option when local communications and transportation infrastructure are intact and operating normally. If there are no commercial options available, and if we have consular officers at the embassy or consulate, and if the conditions permit, we may help U.S. citizens identify possible transportation options. In some situations, we may encourage you to stay at a safe location and leave as soon as you can do so safely, using transportation you are able to find on your own. Will the U.S. government pay for my evacuation if it is needed? No. U.S. law requires that the assisted evacuation of private U.S. citizens or third country nationals be provided “on a reimbursable basis to the maximum extent practicable.” However, we do understand that you may not be able to access your own money during a crisis. For evacuation transportation that we arrange to transport you out of a crisis location, you do not have to pay before you board. To board these transports, you will need to complete and sign a form promising to repay the U.S. government. The amount billed to evacuees is based on the cost of a full fare economy flight, or comparable alternate transportation, to the designated destination(s) that would have been charged immediately prior to the events giving rise to the evacuation. Because different evacuation transports may go to different destinations, the cost of one transport may be different than another. We encourage people to leave on the first transport they are able and eligible to board. As mentioned above, an evacuation is almost always to a nearby location away from the crisis, which is very rarely to the United States. You are also responsible for the costs you may incur in the destination, including hotel, food, clothing, medication, and other necessities. Emergency financial assistance in the form of a loan may be available to U.S. citizens who are unable to pay for their onward travel to the United States.
There were Ukraine police leading Chinese motorcade, also these Ukraine police and Chinese official talk to 20+ check points along the way. It is much safer than driving by yourself. https://xw.qq.com/cmsid/20220304A0D77K00
本帖不谈政治,只谈人性。要是想谈关于中国政治的,请出去开新贴。
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前几天在apple news一个新闻里面看到中国驻乌克兰大使馆人员已经撤离了。
应该是基辅那200个留学生撤走的同一天。
他真的处在很危险的境况里。有没有人可以帮帮他?
他一直上不了火车,前面都是女人孩子,在让人家先上 不知道现在走了没,我油管上关注他了,今天下午一个视频说开始空袭了
🛋️ 沙发板凳
不单是国内媒体让人没信心。 咱们基本都有跟大使馆打交道的经历,很多都是一言难尽。 不过希望战争面前,他们能够尽心尽力。 另外,中国人自救能力也强,看到那么多同乡会挺身而出,这是我熟悉的海外华人!
对,顶你!
你自己不看,怪谁啊。战前我看的一个乌克兰up主就发了撤侨跟大巴视频啊。这么明显的事情,有必要撒谎么。你可以spin事实背后的动机,随便
来美国20年左右没见过同乡会。倒是大使馆也没怎么刁难过我啊
有心人了解一下事情始末,应该都能做出判断,危难之际咋办。不能傻乎乎等吴京
同乡会跟我们普通人没交集啊。但是上次通过希腊撤侨帮了大忙
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我都号召过给同乡会捐款专用了,根本没人搭理。他们买了很多被子,把自己能掌握的空余房子也腾出来了,挺给力的
飞机去乌克兰撤侨吗?
如果不是去乌克兰的话,已经有两架飞机飞罗马尼亚撤侨了。
你们同乡会没看到的大概是人数比较少。人数多的地方都有同乡会,就算你不是他们本乡的只要是中国人也能被帮助不会拒之门外的
谢谢提醒啊
楼主的中文很奇怪。
一边上班,一边摸鱼,中文表达不清晰啊,😀
你是认真的,中国驻乌克兰大使馆战前就撤侨了??他们怎么敢啊。 中国政府一直到开战前都是认为俄罗斯不会入侵的。战前很多欧美国家甚至非洲小国都撤了。但是中国为了掩护俄罗斯,确实是拖到了开战之后好几天才开始撤。 大部分的新闻,加上在乌克兰的自媒体华人up主们,都没提过战前撤侨。战前美国撤侨,外交部赵立坚还痛斥美国虚假情报。开战第一天,中国驻乌大使馆还让在乌华人插国旗标志,他们预判俄军迅速占领后看到中国旗就会放过了。结果没过两天又赶紧说乌民众有误会排斥情绪,请千万不要贴国旗暴露身份。接着就是大使馆统计要拆侨的人数,一开始说只能中国公民走,后来统计了好几天了,才开始部分人从基辅和敖德萨大巴车撤离,然后才说中国公民亲属也能一起走。几百人几百人地撤吧。对于已经进入热战地区比如哈尔科夫,和苏梅地区,使馆完全就没办法了,只能叫他们自行撤离。
我知道楼主看的那个视频,使馆派大巴把一帮中国人运到了罗马尼亚。免费住条件还不错的酒店。那个视频确实看着比较欢欣鼓舞,但是那只是最幸运的一小批中国人。 现在还有不少中国人走不掉的,陷在火线里,非常惨。真的这次中国撤得太晚太不得力了。当然幸运逃离的感激祖国感激使馆,但是就事论事,实在不能说做得很好了
别人撤侨都是撤回自己国家,就中国发明了一个撤侨新定义,把自己国家的人从乌克兰运到波兰就算完成任务了。
我follow了好几个乌克兰的学生,现在中国学生都撤走好几批了,基辅走的最多。最危险的哈尔托夫那里,好多中国学生到火车站上不了车。中国大使馆联系了乌克兰政府给中国留学生加了一截专列车厢。有需要的中国学生不要买票直接上车,那些公派学军工的一百多号学生去了火车站的都上车了。现在就是不通车的苏梅地区还有一百多号学生没办法转移到安全地带,只能躲到防空洞里等待时机。现在下一步是包机从安全区把学生撤回来已经在日程了。
同意。 以我自己和认识的人来讲,没谁觉得被大使馆领事馆刁难的。
战前中国大使馆肯定没有撤侨,外交部还说美国危言耸听不会有战争,战后第一天还让挂国旗,第二天又让不要透露身份,然后是登记滞留学生信息,大使馆发公开信说要等到安全的时候再撤侨,然后有了很多留学生发微博求救。撤侨大巴视频应该是三月二日,也就是印度官方公告有六小时撤侨window那天,一批中国学生也撤离了。
俄羅斯入侵烏克蘭戰火持續,中國撤僑屢屢引發批評,昨加緊大內宣撤僑包機從羅馬尼亞載回中國留學生的消息,但其實還有許多中國人受困當地,包括烏克蘭駐華大使館警告的蘇梅市,上百名中國留學生求助無門,只能上網哀號,結果網友轉發消息竟然被微博刪文封帳號。 中國留學生統計,目前還有138名中國人未能從蘇梅市撤出,「附近火車站被炸,橋也被炸,物資也撐不了多久」、「讓我們回家,我們都是留學生」,拜託有關部門能夠協助,而之所以他們要上網求援,原來是中國駐烏克蘭大使館的電話不是打不通,不然就是「安慰我們耐心等待」。
大使馆主要是提供外交便利和组织当地华人商会。这些撤离的大巴什么交通工具,还有住宿接待,大使馆自己可能有那么多吗?也不可能有那么多工作人员接待。还不是得依赖当地华企华商。华为自己有车,第一天就把员工撤走了。总之我follow了好多乌克兰学生,感觉当地大使馆工作人员还是挺负责的。出问题主要是早期情报错误,要追责也不是当地大使馆的错,而是中共高层决策和情报问题。
不过咱华人商会实力也得强大,在哪里都是靠本族人帮忙。指望金发碧眼的国际友人是不现实的。
大使馆都认真工作了,当然要感恩。
哪里有删消息,苏梅学生我都follow了好几个。现在是苏梅地区不通车,也没火车,周围都是战区,你要学生出来乱跑送死吗?当然是躲在防空洞里等待时机最安全。现在俄乌谈判都说要建立人道主义通道,等有机会确保安全走安全通道才是上策啊。
“包机从安全区把学生撤回来”是指把他们撤回国吗?除了学生其他人呢?
这点完全同意,这次中国绝对是上层决策和情报出问题了。感觉相当措手不及。一开始还要挂国旗,傻子样的。而且撤留学生的预案感觉完全没有,开战了才登记信息,这些前面美欧嚷嚷的时候就应该要做了。现在大使馆在努力撤侨,但是难度就要高了很多倍了,第一天开战马上撤都比现在容易。还有那些战狼撤侨的宣传,跟傻子样的把学生都忽悠了,都在等战狼呢。本来一个常规工作可以做好的撤侨搞得演戏一样,世界这么乱,以后撤侨就是常态化了。
是撤回国啊,就是转移到安全区的一批批安排回国,昨天看乌克兰中国学生说大使馆通知的是转移到罗马利亚那边的学生第一批做准备回国。至于撤离,当然先帮学生啊,年龄小在海外又没有任何local的关系。上班的有公司,做生意的有local的社会关系,还都跟学生一样傻都等着战狼撤侨吗?一共五六千号人啊。前面发录音的28岁的女孩就是看到比她小的10后,00后都撤走了,心态就崩了。
商會發善心 是最值得感謝的對象 支持海外商會
对,追责应该追到上层决策者
还需要核酸自费机票之类的吗?我看视频之前很多人之前不是不想回,只是核酸程序太繁复机票又贵得离谱。如果可以平价简化核酸回国那早回去了。希望撤侨可以特殊情况特殊处理吧。
好像是阴性的先坐飞机走,机票17000一张。
都拉到闭环去隔离一下呗。都是年轻学生,得了covid也是轻症。逃离战乱回到国内了这都不是问题。孩子们都是经历了战争的了。
我觉得那边根本没有人手去搞检测了,肯定是按年龄顺序依次安排回国统一隔离了。反正都是年轻人,得了也是轻症。
那还行,估计大部分人都还承受的起,希望他们早日平安
你怎么知道的啊,我需要继续follow那个博主才能知道他们最后去了哪里。
战前哪有撤侨! 开战才开始登记,并没有真正撤侨。一个台湾小粉红做假视频说战前开始撤侨包含持台胞证的,不是被揭穿了嘛?
说是20以下的先走.
战前撤侨?大使馆都不承认,你是说那个挂着青天白日旗的台湾省撤侨大巴吗?
现在基本两选择,一个呆在第三国等。一个就是等包机。要按年龄先后。机票要钱,呆在第三国要钱. 撤出来不要钱.
中国大概率是参照大部分别国做法。肯定有做的更好的,也不会是最差的。比战狼宣传片肯定是差很多.
中国还是穷,搞宣传片,要面子,维稳。等有钱了,把这些虚头八脑的都去掉。这种时候,最简单的最不得罪人的就是,一有风吹草动,就喊话撤离。喊话最容易,网页update一下。剩下的老百姓自己选择,费用也也不用承担。使馆第一时间撤离。真打起来,老百姓能怪谁。还有国家富了,老百姓富了,也不会有那么多人去有战乱风险的国家了.
高华假装看不见
确实已经三观完全不一样了呀,没法做朋友了。我从不跟国内朋友谈政治,但是联系已经很少了
你肯定没有用啊。
你说的太对了。双标大爷大妈太恶心
果然是大国崛起。撤侨不忘狠宰一笔!
现在乌克兰: U.S. citizens seeking emergency assistance and those who decide to remain in Ukraine should complete this online form and the State Department will respond. The U.S. government will not be able to evacuate U.S. citizens from Ukraine. Please review what the U.S. government can and cannot do to assist you in a crisis overseas. U.S. citizens may seek consular services, including requests for repatriation loans, passport, and visa services, at U.S. embassies and consulates in neighboring countries.
https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/international-travel/emergencies/what-state-dept-can-cant-do-crisis.html
Will the United States Government always evacuate citizens in crises?
Our primary role is to keep the U.S. citizen community informed of safety and security developments and travel options. Regularly scheduled commercial transportation is always the best option when local communications and transportation infrastructure are intact and operating normally. If there are no commercial options available, and if we have consular officers at the embassy or consulate, and if the conditions permit, we may help U.S. citizens identify possible transportation options. In some situations, we may encourage you to stay at a safe location and leave as soon as you can do so safely, using transportation you are able to find on your own.
Will the U.S. government pay for my evacuation if it is needed?
No. U.S. law requires that the assisted evacuation of private U.S. citizens or third country nationals be provided “on a reimbursable basis to the maximum extent practicable.” However, we do understand that you may not be able to access your own money during a crisis. For evacuation transportation that we arrange to transport you out of a crisis location, you do not have to pay before you board. To board these transports, you will need to complete and sign a form promising to repay the U.S. government. The amount billed to evacuees is based on the cost of a full fare economy flight, or comparable alternate transportation, to the designated destination(s) that would have been charged immediately prior to the events giving rise to the evacuation. Because different evacuation transports may go to different destinations, the cost of one transport may be different than another. We encourage people to leave on the first transport they are able and eligible to board. As mentioned above, an evacuation is almost always to a nearby location away from the crisis, which is very rarely to the United States. You are also responsible for the costs you may incur in the destination, including hotel, food, clothing, medication, and other necessities. Emergency financial assistance in the form of a loan may be available to U.S. citizens who are unable to pay for their onward travel to the United States.
我知道。所以我说中国傻啊,和老百姓喊话啊。喊话不简单吗.
喊话了呀,喊话说美国危言耸听其实不会打仗,还有喊话挂国旗。
肯定没想到今天呗。尴尬肯定尴尬.
你同学看着比你理智客观多了,你配不上这样的朋友,赶紧友尽吧。
就是啊……这个朋友都被他搞崩溃了吧。到底谁是战狼啊?
确实,他同学翻墙已经犯罪了,不能和罪犯做朋友。
There were Ukraine police leading Chinese motorcade, also these Ukraine police and Chinese official talk to 20+ check points along the way. It is much safer than driving by yourself.
https://xw.qq.com/cmsid/20220304A0D77K00
我以前也不理解,最近看YouTube才明白。美国人买张机票或火车票就走了,无论是回美还是去欧洲别的国家。可中国人怎么走?回国需要繁杂的手续+天价机票,然后没有签证也没法去别的国家。
所以战前大使馆敢喊让老百姓走吗?喊了又无法提供包机回国,那不仅上面得罪俄爹,下面也会被骂惨。现在至少在撤侨时间上不得罪俄爹。
没错。可是小粉红坚持说美国也没“撤侨”。因为没必要啊,大部分人早走了。
对啊。中国就应该全部放开。自生自灭,管多错多。
发布战争即将到来的消息在你同学眼里居然是“扇风点火”。关键这个消息后面被证明是真的。 什么脑子啊
中国人有家无法回呗,国内应该挺高兴的,没有回来万里投毒。
其实管多错多这句话还真是有道理的,比如当年的计划经济就是啥都要管,从产品到产量到价格都管,后来走不下去就改市场经济了。
我看有些人就留在乌西的某些地方暂时等待,估计觉得回国麻烦,不如在西边先观望,西边目前安全。
你是说那个大巴上挂二战时用的中国国旗那个帖子?
当然是希望他放开。真是能放开的话,版上还那么多人想父母回不去吗。各种手续核酸测试,各种隔离,各种天价机票加航班熔断,回去多难啊
不清楚, 只知道楼主是装安安案的骗捐党骨干, 当时上串下跳一通表演, 后来销声匿迹了好一会儿
大使们辛苦了,没日没夜的辟谣
为了你回去,14亿中国人,就得冒险。你脸咋这么大呢?
这位层主,你确定战前中国政府都组织撤侨大巴了? 中国驻乌克兰大使馆都不敢这么不要脸啊。你问问他们,他们敢说自己战前就组织撤侨了?
我也觉得那个同学理性多了。
对,这才是事实。这楼里有些人,真是颠倒黑白啊,都什么人啊。