还有一个美国运动员代表中国参加冬奥会,对比一下

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brookeyang
下面是华人另外一个thread里面有人贴的,我觉得说的很对。转过来大家看看:
搞笑吧你,自己去看看Nathan, Alysa,Vincent Twitter 下面多少支持者。都是老将孩子,老中和老美都爱得不行。谷除了国内追捧得厉害,在美国跟这几个老将孩子人气有得比吗?她在发布会上充分展示了什么叫虚伪和傲慢无礼,遑论之后四处战狼出击,当着全世界扯谎。她说她热爱中国,是微博达人,微博最近天天热搜的徐州八子母亲,她作为一个十二岁就发表女权演说的爱国者,说过一句话吗?敢情现在爱国就是在中国本土代言捞金,在国际上给中国粉饰贴金?口中全是主义,心里都是生意。对不起,我现在看不出她除了爱北京烤鸭,会说中文之外,对中国到底有多少感情。也许对于她来说中国就是烤鸭和鲜花吧。北京折叠里另外一个空间,她看不到也感知不到。BLM她倒是一套一套的,怎么说,从行为上来说她可能更爱美国吧。爱之深才责之切。你再去看看周知方和陈巍的采访,真诚,谦逊,从同业能力到品格,谷跟上面那几个孩子差太多了。华人不需要谷爱凌这种权贵之花,我们孩子有得是值得热爱和鼓舞人心的偶像。跟从小上私校,海淀补习做题,加州训练滑雪的权贵生活比较起来,周知方,陈巍以及他们父母和几十万里程的小Prius才值得华人推崇和真心喜爱。你自己是根韭菜,靠老爹蹭疫苗喜滋滋,替赵家人考虑得可是周到体贴,也不知道是啥心理,精赵?还是天生就是奴儿?
hillcountry 发表于 2022-02-12 11:58

既然谷妹妹是网络冲浪达人,不知道她觉得中国内网上对Nathan 是不是也是90%善意的评论? 另外当年的吴亦凡,赵薇,马云也是顶流哦……
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苜蓿紫 发表于 2022-02-12 12:22

2月9日刚改的,网上贴了好几遍了
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commander
亚裔黑起亚裔来比谁都狠,招招见血。还让人家不要回美国了,你他妈的谁呀?文革小将作风
苜蓿紫
亚裔黑起亚裔来比谁都狠,招招见血。还让人家不要回美国了,你他妈的谁呀?文革小将作风
commander 发表于 2022-02-12 12:31

这是真的。尤其黑起女性来更甚
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关键是:谷拿金牌,有些人心理失衡而已
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来了 来了 亚裔和女性的挡箭牌来了 话题是你们挑起的,大家的批评有理有据,没有一条跟亚裔或者女性有关系。所以谷不能批评,批评她就是打压亚裔女性? 这和不能批评TG,批评TG就是歧视中国人一模一样的逻辑,很华春莹!
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beidou
谷家路子不正。
不管代表哪一个国家拿金牌,一样都可以在中国有商业价值。没有必要做政治投资,换取商业市场。其实比一比和其他华裔的家庭,就会发现,她家一直玩邪的。
现在又爆出来,还是假的。

央视算宣传喉舌吗?
https://sports.cctv.com/2022/02/03/VIDE2sQONWvf9HiO8AAK8ZRL220203.shtml
央视网消息:北京时间2月3日,距离北京冬奥会开幕还有1天。谷爱凌放弃美国国籍,加入中国国籍为中国而战,首次参加世锦赛就斩获2金1铜。年仅19岁的她未来可期。2022北京冬奥让我们共同期待。
busybeaver 发表于 2022-02-12 10:32
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beidou
关键是:谷拿金牌,有些人心理失衡而已
武松9527 发表于 2022-02-12 12:37

一边骂美国,一边宣传一张美国脸长的好看?
放着纯种华裔不挺,韭菜够精分的。
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giftfromgod
亚裔黑起亚裔来比谁都狠,招招见血。还让人家不要回美国了,你他妈的谁呀?文革小将作风
commander 发表于 2022-02-12 12:31

这里谁黑亚裔了?就是希望这种吃里扒外的人不要代表亚裔典型被宣传,消费亚裔的名声还趾高气昂
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hillcountry
谷已经被美国主流媒体批判了,不知道她在美国的商业价值还剩多少? 还是完全脱离美国,在中国好好捞钱吧。当然也要听档的话,不然没人知道下场会如何。
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sillynut
并不是为了抬杠。我个人喜欢去查源处,刚看这个网页已经改了
苜蓿紫 发表于 2022-02-12 12:20

难道你没有疑问为啥2月9日着急改?是之前写错了?如果中国奥委会没有提供谷的资料信息,国际奥委会不会自己主动帮谷来编吧。那就是中国奥委会对国际奥委会提供运动员虚假信息—说谷放弃美籍。而且古如果没放弃美籍,她的中国籍也不具备合法性,这是违背中国国籍法的。没有中国籍代表中国比赛,谷和中国奥委会公然违反奥运会宪章41.1条,等国际奥委会处理吧。
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这里谁黑亚裔了?就是希望这种吃里扒外的人不要代表亚裔典型被宣传,消费亚裔的名声还趾高气昂
giftfromgod 发表于 2022-02-12 12:48

你怎么来的美国,是不是也是吃里扒外?
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西风凉
我觉得她那么精致的利己主义者,申请斯坦福时候race估计填的白人,谁要和你们亚裔卷啊
NoahCheng 发表于 2022-02-11 14:50

汗死,你的戏还真多。她奥运前就拿了无数的世界比赛金牌,这样的想去哪个学校,都不难。
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西风凉
谷已经被美国主流媒体批判了,不知道她在美国的商业价值还剩多少? 还是完全脱离美国,在中国好好捞钱吧。当然也要听档的话,不然没人知道下场会如何。
hillcountry 发表于 2022-02-12 12:57

真不懂,她在美国本来就没有什么大的商业价值啊,要不是fox大力宣传,估计很多老美都不知道谷这个人。美国商业价值高的还是football, baseball, nba,hockey之类的。她那项目很小众,没太多商业价值。她代表中国去参赛,很显然的一个好处也是,商业价值大大提高。
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这篇文章讲的很详细了,怪不得谷要花好多时间关于这个问题打太极。将来也不会go away. 要不她就干脆放弃美国国籍省的以后万一说错话被爱国暴民反噬,要不强国出来改他的国籍法律允许杰出人才双重国籍,否则国内外泱泱众口还是不能平息 https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEFSa3DrpLCo_c9IeMPZHd7cqMwgEKioIACIQmVkainRlhkortmM2w1uYSSoUCAoiEJlZGop0ZYZKK7ZjNsNbmEkw0YCWBw?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen
Eileen Gu and the repercussions of renouncing U.S. citizenship ZHANGJIAKOU, China —Eileen Gu, the American-born skier who now competes for China, spent much of her recent gold medal news conference sidestepping questions about her citizenship. Gu is the most prominent of a number of Olympic athletes in Beijing, including skaters and hockey players, who were raised in America but now compete for China. The IOC allows athletes with dual citizenship to compete but requires them to hold a passport for the country which they represent in the Olympics. China does not permit dual citizenship, at least according to the laws on its books. However, the process for renouncing American citizenship carries significant long-term repercussions for anyone wishing to remain connected in any way to America. The actual renunciation process is fairly quick — a simple declaration that you want to end your U.S. citizenship, the payment of a fee and the surrender of your passport — but the repercussions could last a lifetime.
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https://www.youtube.com/embed/https://d-10913852701427396593.ampproject.net/2201262038001/frame.html Renouncing citizenship — the process Americans who renounce their citizenship often do so because they’re interested in extricating themselves from the American tax system, which imposes substantial tax reporting burdens on American citizens even living overseas. A much smaller category of “accidental Americans” — for instance, children of American diplomats born overseas — renounce their citizenship because they’ve never lived in America. To renounce citizenship, an American must walk into an overseas embassy — renouncing citizenship while on U.S. soil is extremely rare — and declare their intentions, in person, to a consular officer. The soon-to-be-former citizen must complete a questionnaire, sign a statement of intent and pay a fee of $2,350, the highest in the world for this purpose. The aggregate effect of these hurdles is to ascertain that an individual is serious about giving up their citizenship.
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“A consular officer will often give you some pushback because of the repercussions,” says Sanford Posner, an immigration lawyer with FisherBroyles, LLP with nearly a quarter-century of practice experience. “If you have family in the United States you need access to, by giving up your U.S. passport, you are essentially making it very difficult to get back into the United States.” Verbally renouncing citizenship as an act of protest or defiance may carry some symbolic weight to the demonstrator, but in the eyes of the United States government, there’s no legal weight behind it. “Until you sign away your citizenship and give up your passport to a consular officer,” Posner says, “it’s just a statement into the ether.” One crucial element of renouncing citizenship: ensuring that one already has obtained citizenship in another nation. Without that overlap, an individual risks being deemed “stateless,” which can cause difficulty with virtually every aspect of public life: the ability to work, study, receive medical benefits, own or rent property, or even marry. Stateless individuals have no protection of any country, and run the risk of being kicked out of the United States entirely and permanently. The Federal Register publishes a quarterly list of individuals who have renounced citizenship. It’s purported to be comprehensive, but expatriates have reported waits of months or years before appearing on the list. Eileen Gu’s name does not appear on any quarterly list to date. The financial impact of surrendering citizenship The financial implications of renouncing citizenship are substantial, particularly for high-net-worth individuals. The United States does not want to surrender citizens that can provide continual tax income, and the barriers in place are designed to make renouncing citizenship a costly affair for years to come. “Giving up your passport is a taxable transaction,” says Marc Schwartz, an attorney, CPA and founder of Schwartz International, an international tax advisory firm. “If you give up your passport and your net worth is less than $2 million, it’s typically not an issue, but if it’s more than $2 million, you have to do a fictitious ‘sale’ of everything you own in the world.” In other words: You total up your assets not just in the United States, but around the world, you assess their tax basis and their fair-market value, and whatever you’ve “gained,” above approximately $740,000, you pay taxes on it. For a minor-league hockey player, this would likely not be an issue; for someone with multiple worldwide endorsement contracts like Gu, the financial costs involved in surrendering an American passport would be substantial. Even renouncing the passport doesn’t end the U.S. government’s involvement in an expatriate’s business. “What you need to do [when renouncing a passport] is file a final-year tax return, and the IRS has three years to audit it, more if there’s suspicion of fraud,” Schwartz says. “You’re never really out of the U.S.’s crosshairs.” Long-term implications “A person seeking to renounce U.S. citizenship must renounce all the rights and privileges associated with citizenship,” a State Department spokesperson told Yahoo Sports. Such privileges include not only the right to vote, but the ability to seek the assistance of a United States embassy while living in their new home country. Most notably, surrendering citizenship means surrendering the right to freely enter and leave the United States without the use of a visa — either a student visa, a work visa, or some other form of certification giving the now-former-citizen the temporary right to remain in the United States. Such visas come with requirements and restrictions — someone on a visitor visa, for instance, is not permitted to work in the United States. What if our now-former citizen decides they made a mistake? It’s a long process to undo renouncing citizenship, and one with no guarantee of success. “You would basically start back at square one,” Posner says. “There are two ways to become a citizen: either through a family member — spouse, parent, immediate relative — or through an employer. You have to go through various non-immigrant and immigrant visas before becoming a citizen.” Such processes typically take many years in the best-case scenarios. Is China enforcing its own rule? If Eileen Gu and other American athletes competing for China have in fact renounced their citizenship, they may enjoy the benefits of representing a new nation. But their legal, financial and logistical relationship with the country of their birth will have become infinitely more complicated. Again, the IOC doesn’t have a problem with athletes having dual citizenship. The reason the issue has come to the forefront is because of China’s rule against it. The question is, whether they’re enforcing it. Jeremy Smith is a hockey player from Dearborn, Michigan, but is competing in the games for China. He told ESPN that one of the conditions to playing for China was that he would not renounce his U.S. citizenship. "They were like, 'Do not worry. We will not ask you. This is not what this whole process is about. It's about getting you qualified for the Olympics,' " he said. Smith also told Yahoo Sports, “When I'm in China, I'm a Chinese. I'm supported by the Chinese, and I'm truly thankful for that. And when I go to America, I'm American.” If you’ve been following the Eileen Gu story, that line of reasoning should be familiar. “I’m American when I’m in the U.S.,” Gu has stated on multiple occasions when asked about her citizenship, “and Chinese when I’m in China.”



真不懂,她在美国本来就没有什么大的商业价值啊,要不是fox大力宣传,估计很多老美都不知道谷这个人。美国商业价值高的还是football, baseball, nba,hockey之类的。她那项目很小众,没太多商业价值。她代表中国去参赛,很显然的一个好处也是,商业价值大大提高。
西风凉 发表于 2022-02-12 13:13

美国奥运冠军尤其是冬奥会确实没有什么市场价值,也没什么代言,很多人就是在cereal box上露个脸。美国真正有市场价值的体育明星是Tom Brady这样的
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beidou
难道你没有疑问为啥2月9日着急改?是之前写错了?如果中国奥委会没有提供谷的资料信息,国际奥委会不会自己主动帮谷来编吧。那就是中国奥委会对国际奥委会提供运动员虚假信息—说谷放弃美籍。而且古如果没放弃美籍,她的中国籍也不具备合法性,这是违背中国国籍法的。没有中国籍代表中国比赛,谷和中国奥委会公然违反奥运会宪章41.1条,等国际奥委会处理吧。
sillynut 发表于 2022-02-12 13:03

如果有人告的话,银牌会变金牌?
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fxiyz
冰球归化的女队员里面,美国人好几个。
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beidou
汗死,你的戏还真多。她奥运前就拿了无数的世界比赛金牌,这样的想去哪个学校,都不难。
西风凉 发表于 2022-02-12 13:10

如果在重大问题上撒谎,是不是那个学校都不能容忍呢?
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很多人拿“外籍公民入美籍时,需要宣誓放弃效忠外国政府”来说事,可是“效忠外国政府”本来就是一个伪命题。大家有谁能拿出证据来证明你曾经效忠于中国政府?中国政府从来没有在法律上要求其公民效忠。连外国人入籍中国都没有宣誓效忠的程序和要求,也就是等于说中国政府从来不明确要求你效忠。举个例子来证明这一点:文革时的大叛徒,大内奸,卖国贼刘少奇从来照样当他的中国公民,因为效忠本身就是一个伪命题。
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你怎么来的美国,是不是也是吃里扒外?
ca563 发表于 2022-02-12 13:07

我是遵纪守法来的美国,没有高调立什么爱国人设,通过隐瞒甚至欺骗的手段在国内吸金
心函
冰球归化的女队员里面,美国人好几个。
fxiyz 发表于 2022-02-12 13:25

可人家没她戏多,中国给特殊人才国籍睁只眼闭只眼dual citizenships的操作,大家都知道,但是,谷高调地宣布退出美国籍宣布自己有多爱中国,完了说质疑她国籍和爱中国的人的声音是uneducated,给人贴一大标签,惹怒了一大批普通人
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baobao557
谷爱凌是中国留学生的身份进的斯坦福吧?我觉得她这么受关注是因为她本来就是模特明星什么的,跟国内从小训练奥运和国外路人参加奥运效应不太一样,哪天刘雯啊抖森啊什么的去奥运拿了个金牌,也是会轰动的
我上面有人 发表于 2022-02-11 17:40

怎么可能。去年她还以美国人身份申请总统奖学金
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Sundae.Lite
这个比喻槽点如此之多,简直无从开始。。。试试吧
1。 你这个是落水救谁是完全假设的情况。而谷爱凌到底有没有放弃美国国籍,是一个简单的事实,已发生。
2。这个已发生的事实可以简单的回答,是或者否。任何捣糨糊都是类似华春莹的答记者问,在spin.
3. 就别扯家庭矛盾了,谷家齐心协力爱中国(洽中国💰)的决心有目共睹。没有矛盾。
4。而中美关系里,再怎么营销,谷爱凌小姐,也不是个角儿。
5。 我赞成你,谷爱凌小姐完全不傻,她不仅不傻,还是古今中外少见的聪明人,厚黑学高手儿。
moonandsixpence 发表于 2022-02-12 09:21

马克一下
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回复 1楼liumajia的帖子
冰球不需要规划变国籍。和其他运动不太一样的。 他应该只是代表中国参赛但没换国籍。滑冰滑雪需要换国籍。
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moringa
理解不了完全没关系的要换了国籍去为其他国家参赛。这种certain closeness 可是说翻脸就翻脸的,完全替代不了同根同宗的感觉吧。
royalpalm 发表于 2022-02-11 11:59

运动员生涯很短,在自己母国没机会上一流赛事,与其浪费年华,不如寻找机会和出路,当然别人给机会就愿意啊,这有啥不好理解的。
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如果在重大问题上撒谎,是不是那个学校都不能容忍呢?
beidou 发表于 2022-02-12 13:25

二年前她就拿到斯坦福录取了