就是把你的脸打肿了,你也不信的。 来源: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60277353 The Chinese Consulate General in New York told the BBC that Ms Gu would have to have been naturalised or gained permanent residency status in China to compete for its team. In 2020, the Chinese Ministry of Justice broadened rules for foreigners to obtain permanent residency such that those who has achieved international recognition in sport, science, culture and other fields would be eligible. The expansion would seem to apply to Ms Gu. Ms Gu and four other athletes went through the process to gain eligibility to play for China in the 2022 Games, the Consulate said.
中国绿卡应该不可以代表中国吧。不知道奥委会是怎么解释a national of the country的。 41 Nationality of competitors* 1. Any competitor in the Olympic Games must be a national of the country of the NOC which is entering such competitor. 2. All matters relating to the determination of the country which a competitor may represent in the Olympic Games shall be resolved by the IOC Executive Board. Bye-law to Rule 41 1. A competitor who is a national of two or more countries at the same time may represent either one of them, as he may elect. However, after having represented one country in the Olympic Games, in continental or regional games or in world or regional championships recognised by the relevant IF, he may not represent another country unless he meets the conditions set forth in paragraph 2 below that apply to persons who have changed their nationality or acquired a new nationality. 2. A competitor who has represented one country in the Olympic Games, in continental or regional games or in world or regional championships recognised by the relevant IF, and who has changed his nationality or acquired a new nationality, may participate in the Olympic Games to represent his new country provided that at least three years have passed since the competitor last represented his former country. This period may be reduced or even cancelled, with the agreement of the NOCs and IF concerned, by the IOC Executive Board, which takes into account the circumstances of each case.
就是把你的脸打肿了,你也不信的。 来源: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60277353 The Chinese Consulate General in New York told the BBC that Ms Gu would have to have been naturalised or gained permanent residency status in China to compete for its team. In 2020, the Chinese Ministry of Justice broadened rules for foreigners to obtain permanent residency such that those who has achieved international recognition in sport, science, culture and other fields would be eligible. The expansion would seem to apply to Ms Gu. Ms Gu and four other athletes went through the process to gain eligibility to play for China in the 2022 Games, the Consulate said.
根据奥林匹克官方标准答案 https://olympics.com/ioc/faq/competing-and-being-part-of-the-games/can-i-compete-for-another-team-than-my-nationality Can I compete for another team than my nationality? According to the Olympic Charter (Rule 40-41) Any competitor in the Olympic Games must be a national of the country of the NOC which is entering such competitor. A competitor who is a national of two or more countries at the same time may represent either one of them, as he may elect. However, after having represented one country in the Olympic Games, in continental or regional games or in world or regional championships recognised by the relevant IF, he may not represent another country unless certain circumstances. All matters relating to the determination of the country which a competitor may represent in the Olympic Games shall be resolved by the IOC Executive Board. 绿卡不行, 必须是公民或归化公民。 双重国籍可以选站边, 给个中国公民就是了。
你再读读更多的,就明白了。 athletes who gain new citizenship or wish to change their Olympic status can do so if three years have passed since they competed for their previous country rantaocn 发表于 2022-02-09 15:38
就是把你的脸打肿了,你也不信的。 来源: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60277353 The Chinese Consulate General in New York told the BBC that Ms Gu would have to have been naturalised or gained permanent residency status in China to compete for its team. In 2020, the Chinese Ministry of Justice broadened rules for foreigners to obtain permanent residency such that those who has achieved international recognition in sport, science, culture and other fields would be eligible. The expansion would seem to apply to Ms Gu. Ms Gu and four other athletes went through the process to gain eligibility to play for China in the 2022 Games, the Consulate said.
就是把你的脸打肿了,你也不信的。 来源: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60277353 The Chinese Consulate General in New York told the BBC that Ms Gu would have to have been naturalised or gained permanent residency status in China to compete for its team. In 2020, the Chinese Ministry of Justice broadened rules for foreigners to obtain permanent residency such that those who has achieved international recognition in sport, science, culture and other fields would be eligible. The expansion would seem to apply to Ms Gu. Ms Gu and four other athletes went through the process to gain eligibility to play for China in the 2022 Games, the Consulate said.
根据奥林匹克官方标准答案 https://olympics.com/ioc/faq/competing-and-being-part-of-the-games/can-i-compete-for-another-team-than-my-nationality Can I compete for another team than my nationality? According to the Olympic Charter (Rule 40-41) Any competitor in the Olympic Games must be a national of the country of the NOC which is entering such competitor. A competitor who is a national of two or more countries at the same time may represent either one of them, as he may elect. However, after having represented one country in the Olympic Games, in continental or regional games or in world or regional championships recognised by the relevant IF, he may not represent another country unless certain circumstances. All matters relating to the determination of the country which a competitor may represent in the Olympic Games shall be resolved by the IOC Executive Board. 绿卡不行, 必须是公民或归化公民。 双重国籍可以选站边, 给个中国公民就是了。
不会的,这么多国家,国际奥委会哪里有能力了解各国不同的法律,更没有权威去解释各国的相关规定,更别说有香港这类地区,或者分裂的多政权国家,还有无国籍人士等等复杂情况。能切实可行的,就是某国国家代表团出名单,就认为这人有资格代表该国(规则里提到了the country which is entering the competitor),另外核查该运动员近期内没有代表多国即可。相信中国在归化前也咨询了奥委会意见避免到时候出漏子。
谷也许可以,你不行。
你这个做法,法理上行不通。原因就是国籍法不允许。但执行时,中国海关可能会睁一只眼闭一只眼,但是如果眼睛睁开的时候,你会有大麻烦。就和美国的超速或酒驾一样,其实90%以上的超速或酒驾在美国都不会被抓,(我在加州5号公路开车的时候,几乎每次都有碰到速度超过85的,但很少有警察。但你不走运的时候,被抓住了,就是个麻烦。
我有朋友保留了两国护照,也进出中国多次,但这并不等于这个做法就是合法的。因为我也有朋友和客户被抓到过,而且处理的很麻烦。
国内的做法是当场禁止离境,要求销户,追加罚款,并威胁拘留。我的客户就碰到过,而且还是我们事务所和国内的合作机构紧急处理的。
你规避检查的做法,必须使用第三国,因为中美直飞航班在使用中国护照的时候,要求对应的有效美国签证。
如果使用第三国的时候,中国边防可能会询问你在第三国的身份,并要求你出示在第三国的出入境记录,如果海关开始怀疑,最好马上说实话,注销护照户口,缴纳罚款了事。
我的客户是因为撒谎了,最后圆不回来。弄得比较麻烦,但中国有一个好处,就是找到了人,事情就可大可小。
而用中国绿卡代表中国参赛,不违反国际奥委会的规定。
还扯双重国籍,双重国籍的,闹啥啊究竟?
好奇中国绿卡有投票权么
中国绿卡投什么票?选国家主席么?
唯一能选的估计是本街道的人大代表。
中国政府在比赛前从来没有大大方方承认过,藏着掖着怕人笑话。
最后见蒙不过去了,赶快来个中国绿卡。
你自己看看吧!2020年就规定了。你自己带着有色眼镜。
之前讨论假设什么的还好理解,现在都明确了,根本不存在双重国籍的问题。
你哈哈什么呢?你的问题是?
haha今天不是国内有篇文章说谷的成功跟普通孩子无关,瞬间就404了
真是哭笑不得,看着吵来吵去这个热闹,跟着情绪兴奋了好几天,结果根本没有双重国籍这回事。
我的哈哈是,国内小粉红铺天盖地 放弃美国国籍的宣传啊
她用哪国护照去的第三国,就该那个国家保护。
中国官方确认:谷是美国公民,持有中国绿卡
链接呢?谷爱凌美国公民什么都搜不到。。。。。
真是为难你了,旮旯角儿找篇英文文章出来,中文报道有吗?
发个链接开开眼??
就是把你的脸打肿了,你也不信的。
来源:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60277353
The Chinese Consulate General in New York told the BBC that Ms Gu would have to have been naturalised or gained permanent residency status in China to compete for its team.
In 2020, the Chinese Ministry of Justice broadened rules for foreigners to obtain permanent residency such that those who has achieved international recognition in sport, science, culture and other fields would be eligible. The expansion would seem to apply to Ms Gu.
Ms Gu and four other athletes went through the process to gain eligibility to play for China in the 2022 Games, the Consulate said.
中国绿卡应该不可以代表中国吧。不知道奥委会是怎么解释a national of the country的。
41 Nationality of competitors*
1. Any competitor in the Olympic Games must be a national of the country of the NOC which is entering such competitor.
2. All matters relating to the determination of the country which a competitor may represent in the Olympic Games shall be resolved by the IOC Executive Board.
Bye-law to Rule 41
1. A competitor who is a national of two or more countries at the same time may represent either one of them, as he may elect. However, after having represented one country in the Olympic Games, in continental or regional games or in world or regional championships recognised by the relevant IF, he may not represent another country unless he meets the conditions set forth in paragraph 2 below that apply to persons who have changed their nationality or acquired a new nationality.
2. A competitor who has represented one country in the Olympic Games, in continental or regional games or in world or regional championships recognised by the relevant IF, and who has changed his nationality or acquired a new nationality, may participate in the Olympic Games to represent his new country provided that at least three years have passed since the competitor last represented his former country. This period may be reduced or even cancelled, with the agreement of the NOCs and IF concerned, by the IOC Executive Board, which takes into account the circumstances of each case.
这是两天前的英文报道?
中文的报道你一篇都找不出来,还出来学狗叫???
这个是和EB1A类似的吧 获得international recognition的杰出人才计划 比如诺奖,奥运金牌,世界杯冠军等等
能不能说清楚 谷到底是naturalised还是get green card,文章说两种都可以 但并没有说谷是绿卡还是中国国籍 不过我猜应该大概率是拿的绿卡
这新闻是两天前发布的,而且中文报道一篇没有,lol~~~~
求官方链接???
根据奥林匹克官方标准答案 https://olympics.com/ioc/faq/competing-and-being-part-of-the-games/can-i-compete-for-another-team-than-my-nationality Can I compete for another team than my nationality?
According to the Olympic Charter (Rule 40-41) Any competitor in the Olympic Games must be a national of the country of the NOC which is entering such competitor. A competitor who is a national of two or more countries at the same time may represent either one of them, as he may elect. However, after having represented one country in the Olympic Games, in continental or regional games or in world or regional championships recognised by the relevant IF, he may not represent another country unless certain circumstances. All matters relating to the determination of the country which a competitor may represent in the Olympic Games shall be resolved by the IOC Executive Board.
绿卡不行, 必须是公民或归化公民。 双重国籍可以选站边, 给个中国公民就是了。
这里的change应该是真的多国籍运动员要代表不同国家比赛。没有国籍是不可能代表那个国家出战奥运的
按照奥运宪章,绿卡运动员似乎不能代表该国家,不过我也没仔细研究,记得有个难民代表队,不知道怎么处理的。
https://stillmed.olympic.org/media/Document%20Library/OlympicOrg/General/EN-Olympic-Charter.pdf
Rule 40-41
你不说,倒是没联想到。到底啥规定啊?都搞不清了。
这文章感觉没啥根据。很多口气都是猜测。谷2019就开始代表中国参赛了,2020这个规定明显和时间点不符
奥数又不是奥林匹克,纯属欺世盗名
我们也应该搞一个奥林匹克抬杠大赛。
党国需要的时候,还可以恢复你的国籍
我也不知道啥規定。。。我娃不是數學娃,沒關心過
官方说明上个链接???
你的意思是杰出人才可以不遵守规则和法律
绿卡 不能参加奥运会。需要护照和国籍的。
欺负大家不懂英文么?
这里面哪句话是官方确认谷是美国公民,持有中国绿卡?你脑补的吧
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60277353 不是官方声明,只是BBC文章提了一嘴。感觉像编的,纽约的领事不可能去评论谷爱凌的国籍身份
The expansion would seem to apply to Ms Gu. 发这个文章的人没考过四级吗?这明显是分析的文章啊。
bbc 新闻当作官方声明,你是来搞笑的???
IMO好像是居民就可以,不需要国籍。 但美国奥数夏令营理论上只招美国公民,参加IMO的美国队应该从这些人中产生
就相当于EB1A,你只有通过EB1A才能拿绿卡,才能拿国籍。 你拿国籍肯定是通过了EB1A这个步骤啊。
我的猜测是,国际奥委会不管鉴定是不是公民,也没听说过有核对护照等法律文件的程序。国际奥委会看的是 1。有国家把这个运动员放在自己的名单上(相当于该国认证该运动员是national) 2。该运动员一段时间内没有代表其他国家
第一段 领事说,必须是公民或者绿卡才可以。 第二段,说中国专门为引进杰出人才修改了绿卡申请。 第三段:领事说,谷就是通过第二段这样的方式获取了奥运会资格。
你的英文好,你给解释下,还有什么别的理解。
中国有 EB1A?
难民队,你听说过吗?
不用你解释这么费劲,你找篇中文报道来看看??
难道一直这个状态。而且BBC自己也不知道是不是通过,用的单词是SEEM。 而且谷2019年就代表中国参加比赛,这个是2020年了,时间不对把。
更重要一点,中国纽约领事,不等于法律,也不能解释法律。
现在讨论的是中国,请抬头看标题。
中国领事的发言不代表中国官方,还BBC算啥。
你这种人,还是回家自己照照镜子吧,还要脸吗?
希望有天中国也能dual,设置点要求也行,比如政庇的不行
人,要学会要脸,否则和泼妇没区别。就送你这一句话。
中国领事当然不代表中国官方,中国官方起码是奥委会或者中国移民局之类的部门。 而且当时中国领事也只是回答问题,介绍情况。 而且领事说的是她通过最终方法拿到绿卡,最终得到参加奥运会的机会。 这不等于,参加奥运会有中国绿卡就行了。
说的是美国? 绿卡呢? 入籍时是要上交的,你周围华人都撒谎说丢了不交? 就算是偷偷留下绿卡,最多10年也会expire,也是不能再续了。
国内现在稍微有点不同声音说到谷会被骂死的
那领事权算啥?
不是,需要citizen的。 但是,美国是默许双重国籍的,不允许的是中国。 中国是愿意操作这个事情的,所以给这些归化运动员开了口子。
否则,这次还有冰球一堆归化球员呢,难道都放弃了美加国籍?
对,中国外交部发言人也不能代表中方立场。就你能代表。 哈哈
具体奥委会的规定,可以去网站了解啊,但中国领事给的信息看,绿卡参赛不违反奥委会规定。实际上,奥委会也没意见。
妈呀,不会最后发现这些归化运动员其实都没资格参加奥运会?
这事麻烦了,说双重国籍吧,违反中国法律,说中国绿卡吧,违反奥委会规定,这可如何是好。
主要是中国不承认双国籍,所以理论上你不可能同时拥有中国和美国国籍。 但是印度,菲律宾和以色列都可以。
如果是这样,为什么在入外国籍的时候要没收中国护照,取消中国户口?
话粗礼不粗,唉
感觉这个纽约领事要被撤职了LOL
BBC也不可能空穴来风,捏造出一个领事来的。
你简直不知道自己在说什么了。
BBC之流干的少吗?做到领事这个位置,这点敏感性没有
能解释一下怎么弄吗? 比如说我在日本中转,用美国护照到日本。从日本用中国护照入境中国。中国海关不会问你在日本是不是常驻吗?如果日本没有常驻地址,这明显就是转机吧
在中国入境时拿中国护照,出境时拿美国护照? 这样的骚操作估计只能搞一次,因为你一出示美国护照,人家就知道你入籍了。你这是想当然了吧,成人和拿旅行证的孩子不是一回事。
真是涨姿势啊
出境拿美国护照,会发现你没有入境记录
某国法律就是给P民韭菜看的
领事非正式场合不能说错话么。领事的任何一句话就是“官方确认”么?呵呵。
首先第一句话就说错了,奥组委规定绿卡是不能代表参赛国的。当然奥组委也可能被中国买通了特事特办吧。
但是第二段说中国2020年出台新政策,谷以第二段方式获得资格,那就是瞎扯了。谷是2019年改为中国籍,谷改国籍的时候,第二段提到的政策还没出台呢。
笑死了😂😂 法律就是法律,还人情味儿,🤮🤮
是啊,所以不可行
在国籍这个问题上,至少这个“官方懒得管”基本上是一视同仁的。你别非拿你的美国护照去和中国官方打交道(比如,出入境),那么官方一般不会去对你的中国国籍(护照)做点啥。
用美国护照入境中国,等出境中国时怎么展示你的美国签证或绿卡?
还有,用美国护照入境,申请中国签证时打指纹,入境中国时,或者直接在 申请签证时就跟你中国护照,或户口录入的指纹比对成功了吧。
在香港卖书被抓的那个不就是瑞典国籍被恢复成中国国籍了吗
小孩子能办户口的需要旅行证,没旅行证的上不了户口。而且户口本上注明美国出生。这都是规定,也办不了中国护照。根本不算双国籍。
The Rule of Law (NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW) 是写进美国宪法的,可能没写进中国宪法吧,所以我们天真了......
你哪里来的证明2019 谷就拿到国籍了?微信号宣传吗?
户口都没有怎么有的中国护照?那种早些年有护照,没户口的都是老黄历了,她这个是新入籍, 户口本都没有,怎么申请的护照?当然你可以说她特事特办,这不是又证明了特殊对待,不具普遍 性的开头去了吗?装什么外宾啊?
不会的,这么多国家,国际奥委会哪里有能力了解各国不同的法律,更没有权威去解释各国的相关规定,更别说有香港这类地区,或者分裂的多政权国家,还有无国籍人士等等复杂情况。能切实可行的,就是某国国家代表团出名单,就认为这人有资格代表该国(规则里提到了the country which is entering the competitor),另外核查该运动员近期内没有代表多国即可。相信中国在归化前也咨询了奥委会意见避免到时候出漏子。
三.谷爱凌的双重国籍在中国是否合法?
问题出在中国这边。下面看中国法律。 http://gaj.cq.gov. cn/zwgk/jczwgk/flfg_224734/202111/t20211112_9953339.html 第五条 父母双方或一方为中国公民,本人出生在外国,具有中国国籍;但父母双方或一方为中国公民并定居在外国,本人出生时即具有外国国籍的,不具有中国国籍。 谷爱凌的母亲虽然常年在美国生活工作,但是如果她还保持中国国籍,而谷爱凌出生的时候(2003年9月)她还没拿到绿卡,谷爱凌很可能天生有中国国籍。然而这个问题也不一定,因为网上有一篇1998年的报道。 https://finance.sina.com. cn/chanjing/cyxw/2022-02-08/doc-ikyakumy4854647.shtml 可见,谷爱凌母亲出国很早。在美国混了一大圈(起码四五年)之后,回国投资。考虑到当时的社会倾向(大批精英取得外国绿卡,连王朔这种人都拿了绿卡)和她在国外时间之长(不要忘记她之后还要长期在美国陪伴谷爱凌),她在2003年还未取得美国绿卡的可能性较小。 这样就有可能触发上述法律第二部分,导致谷爱凌不具有中国国籍。 (顺便说一下,该条款饱受诟病。它让一对纯定居海外的中国公民的pure-blood的子女失去了中国国籍,而让一方是外国人的half-blood反而有机会获得中国国籍。)
美国宪法规定人权天赋,但是特意加一条印第安人没有人权。这样的宪法就别供起来当香馍馍了。
说得好。 真希望谷姑娘再得两快金牌,再炸碎些玻璃心,醋坛子和粪坑。
美国啥事儿没有上百条fine prints跟随着的?
另外谁真的相信美国no one is above the law吗? 谁信谁傻