宾大法学院女教授:“亚裔少些,美国更好”(better off with fewer Asians)

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linglituo
难道这个楼里某些言论不是比fewer asians better america更low吗
180maidenlane 发表于 2022-01-05 18:24

人不犯我我不犯人,这都不懂还配用中文?
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回复 1楼Wendyeco的帖子
给U Penn president Amy Gutmann ([email protected]) 和 Law school dean Theodore W. Ruger ([email protected]) 发了个 email:
As an Asian American, it is very saddening to hear the recent racism comment from U Penn Law School professor, Amy Wax: " U.S. would be 'better off with fewer Asians". 
When I did a little search on Wax, it turns out it’s not her first timemaking discriminatory remarks. In 2006, faculty at Penn Law rebuked her public advocacy against same-sex marriage (New York Times). In a 2017 interview on the Glenn Show, Wax said, “I don’t think I’ve ever seen a Black student graduate in the top quarter of the class, and rarely, rarely in the top half.” (Washington Post). And now, she was saying Asians are the the new Jews, and " U.S. would be 'better off with fewer Asians". 
Sure, she may be protected by her tenure contract and most likely nothing would happen to her just like before. And sure, after all the dust falls down she will continue to teach, ironically, "LAW" courses at U Penn. 
My question is, what would you think of U Penn's reputation if you are a victim of such racism in the year of 2022? 
shukudotnet 发表于 2022-01-05 15:19

我也会去写信。但是upenn的一定要出来抗议,必须。
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m口罩sk
你最后一句话并不完全准确。要看这个职位是不是diversity hiring,有的学校有专门的fund招这样的职位,但是我了解的多数情况下即使是diversity hiring还是占了名额的,特别在目前higher education普遍经费紧张的情况下。另外,最近十多年来的趋势是hispanics比African Americans在学界(起码在我们领域)更抢手。
同意你说的“变相排挤亚裔”,Asians are over-represented in academia.也不是什么新鲜说法了。
transient 发表于 2022-01-05 13:56

要看领域,看看stem nsf的report,h以及上升很大,top了。 anyway跟主题无关,即使她是diversity hire,种族言论也一样back fire。upenn的人一定要出来抗议。
这样也能给种族歧视者找借口?我看你应该反省作为亚裔不应该被生出来吧。说到功利,我看犹太人最功利了吧
zhangxx818 发表于 2022-01-05 15:41

你跟著名川粉讲道理有点难
亚裔真的好欺负。这个下贱的老犹太婆居然没被离职。
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CC99
找到一个两年前要求解雇她的petition:https://www.change.org/p/university-of-pennsylvania-fire-racist-penn-law-professor-amy-wax
宾大不知道会不会真的开除她。但感觉她应该已经找好退路了,随时解雇都不怕。这种人上电视,出书,白人至上的传粉都会抢着支持。过两年川总党再上台,直接给她安排一个政府要职,就齐活了。
fmdou 发表于 2022-01-05 14:24

我去签名了。大家都去吧!为了我们种族权益!
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ttyp0
华裔教授放错一个老电影就离职了,amy这么直白,只是引起争议 ?
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Diablo2019
看看她把asian贬得多么一文不值
We can speculate (and, yes, generalize) about Asians’ desire to please the elite, single-minded focus on self-advancement, conformity and obsequiousness, lack of deep post-Enlightenment conviction, timidity toward centralized authority (however unreasoned), indifference to liberty, lack of thoughtful and audacious individualism, and excessive tolerance for bossy, mindless social engineering, etc.
miavita 发表于 2022-01-05 11:51

我看她评价挺有道理的。至少很多中国人如此。
读读这个版面,很多人就是这种人。
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BlueCoffee
长相有点犹大。
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jiangyoudang17
申请过penn的人可以写信给录取办公室,表示自己担心被歧视了,因为学校容忍这样的老师,变相鼓励了这种文化。这样我们的质疑也更相关
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回复 1楼Wendyeco的帖子
给U Penn president Amy Gutmann ([email protected]) 和 Law school dean Theodore W. Ruger ([email protected]) 发了个 email:
As an Asian American, it is very saddening to hear the recent racism comment from U Penn Law School professor, Amy Wax: " U.S. would be 'better off with fewer Asians". 
When I did a little search on Wax, it turns out it’s not her first timemaking discriminatory remarks. In 2006, faculty at Penn Law rebuked her public advocacy against same-sex marriage (New York Times). In a 2017 interview on the Glenn Show, Wax said, “I don’t think I’ve ever seen a Black student graduate in the top quarter of the class, and rarely, rarely in the top half.” (Washington Post). And now, she was saying Asians are the the new Jews, and " U.S. would be 'better off with fewer Asians". 
Sure, she may be protected by her tenure contract and most likely nothing would happen to her just like before. And sure, after all the dust falls down she will continue to teach, ironically, "LAW" courses at U Penn. 
My question is, what would you think of U Penn's reputation if you are a victim of such racism in the year of 2022? 
shukudotnet 发表于 2022-01-05 15:19

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她敢这么说黑人吗?回复靠前的就没人说她应该被辞退吗?就这样还想争取亚洲人在美国地位?洗洗睡了
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peacepeace
因为自己年纪大了,有了孩子,所以看到这种事情是零容忍。我已经写了以下的信:
to:
[email protected]; [email protected];
Title: Suspend Amy Wax Immediately
I am glad to hear that Dean Ruger had publicly condemned the racism remarks made by Amy Wax. However, I am disappointed that Amy Wax has been protected by her tenure position even though she has made racist comments publicly again and again. 
Amy Wax's racist comments have been a severe debt to UPenn's reputation. The damage she had made can only be remediated by SUSPENDING her immediately from UPenn. 
Any tolerance to racism is a silent support of racism.  Please suspend Amy Wax.
Thank you!
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ElizaH
回复 51楼miavita的帖子
太猖狂了。怎么和乌合之众那个作者文风很像
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Pigsqwerty2
因为自己年纪大了,有了孩子,所以看到这种事情是零容忍。我已经写了以下的信:
to:
[email protected]; [email protected];
Title: Suspend Amy Wax Immediately
I am glad to hear that Dean Ruger had publicly condemned the racism remarks made by Amy Wax. However, I am disappointed that Amy Wax has been protected by her tenure position even though she has made racist comments publicly again and again. 
Amy Wax's racist comments have been a severe debt to UPenn's reputation. The damage she had made can only be remediated by SUSPENDING her immediately from UPenn. 
Any tolerance to racism is a silent support of racism.  Please suspend Amy Wax.
Thank you!
peacepeace 发表于 2022-01-05 20:41

要寄出吗
因为自己年纪大了,有了孩子,所以看到这种事情是零容忍。我已经写了以下的信:
to:
[email protected]; [email protected];
Title: Suspend Amy Wax Immediately
I am glad to hear that Dean Ruger had publicly condemned the racism remarks made by Amy Wax. However, I am disappointed that Amy Wax has been protected by her tenure position even though she has made racist comments publicly again and again. 
Amy Wax''''s racist comments have been a severe debt to UPenn''''s reputation. The damage she had made can only be remediated by SUSPENDING her immediately from UPenn. 
Any tolerance to racism is a silent support of racism.  Please suspend Amy Wax.
Thank you!
peacepeace 发表于 2022-01-05 20:41


发了!不能忍
海阔
好奇她说了什么,摘录一些:
"If you go into medical schools, you'll see that Indians, South Asians are now rising stars in medicine, they're sort of the new Jews, I guess you could say," Wax, who is Jewish, said during the interview, and went on to say diversity, equity and inclusion initiatives are "poisoning the scientific establishment and the medical establishment now."
"Why should someone who emigrated from India and has taken advantage of everything our society has to offer, who is leading the good life, who is part of the elite ... why shouldn't that person be objectively grateful? And, you know, recognize overtly all the wonderful things about our country?" she said, in reference to South Asian female doctors criticizing the US for racism.
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hellokitty00
因为自己年纪大了,有了孩子,所以看到这种事情是零容忍。我已经写了以下的信:
to:
[email protected]; [email protected];
Title: Suspend Amy Wax Immediately
I am glad to hear that Dean Ruger had publicly condemned the racism remarks made by Amy Wax. However, I am disappointed that Amy Wax has been protected by her tenure position even though she has made racist comments publicly again and again. 
Amy Wax's racist comments have been a severe debt to UPenn's reputation. The damage she had made can only be remediated by SUSPENDING her immediately from UPenn. 
Any tolerance to racism is a silent support of racism.  Please suspend Amy Wax.
Thank you!
peacepeace 发表于 2022-01-05 20:41

改了一下,tenure不保护这种unethical behavior, 加强了措辞,供参考。
However, no prestigeous university shall tolerate such aggressive racist comments. We strongly demand Amy Wax's tenure to be terminated and dismissed from all her positions immediately. 
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看看她把asian贬得多么一文不值
We can speculate (and, yes, generalize) about Asians’ desire to please the elite, single-minded focus on self-advancement, conformity and obsequiousness, lack of deep post-Enlightenment conviction, timidity toward centralized authority (however unreasoned), indifference to liberty, lack of thoughtful and audacious individualism, and excessive tolerance for bossy, mindless social engineering, etc.
miavita 发表于 2022-01-05 11:51

她的批评中说对自由冷漠,缺乏独立大胆的个人主义,其实可以用到印度人和中国人身上。当然她说美国要少些asian是不对的。
落地无声
她敢这么说,就是因为她有一定市场有一定的群众基础。 美国现在就是这么分裂。 她可以狡辩她拥有言论自由, 你们想要cancel她,她是律师所以她一定知道如何运用它为自己护体, 其实还是要penn里的师生出来反驳她,而且还要利用媒体的报道。 但是penn炒了她如何,说不定更有名,还怕利和权不来么?她可以去党派里,可以参与和她理念一样的媒体,这些年,这样的例子还少么? 这才是可悲的地方。


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她的批评中说对自由冷漠,缺乏独立大胆的个人主义,其实可以用到印度人和中国人身上。当然她说美国要少些asian是不对的。
Ryerr 发表于 2022-01-05 21:09

她给一个种族贴标签然后说这些人少些好,就跟希特勒说犹太人狡诈阴险贪婪,人类应该少些犹太人是一个性质的。犹太人全世界臭名昭著远多过亚裔。还以为自己上帝的民族,臭不要脸judge别族
你们都以为是字面上的意思,亚裔投民主党,沾了美国的光,而且没有美国的value of individualism和liberty,其实这是犹太人擅长的话术,根本意思是:亚裔,其实就是指中国人,(毕竟印度人太弱,用他们当高管也是因为听话的管家),不像其他族裔(白人,黑人,墨西哥人等等)容易被洗脑和被控制,中国人有自己的判断力,不提倡吸毒,性解放,娱乐致死etc,反而爱学习,积极向上,家庭观念强,有自己强大的中国文化,太tmd的难洗脑和堕落了,所以犹太人是感受到中国人的智慧和强大,感受到威胁,内心深处是fear这个中华民族的,说亚裔这个大概念就是目前条件还不允许太赤裸裸的攻击,才会派个教授出来在舆论上批评亚裔,美国没亚裔会更好,让其他族裔也都看到这个言论有个印象分,毕竟犹太propaganda世界无敌,今后对亚裔政策还真说不准,可能就要排华了 kinkinbetter 发表于 2022-01-05 13:05:42


说得对!读了张捷的中华文明与犹太资本的关系已经质变,就更能理解这种现状。
https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s?__biz=Mzg5NjY3NzkzMA==&mid=2247484458&idx=1&sn=17e554cc47d3983d8c6b96d5835a4f33&chksm=c07c256ff70bac790a74412262b2b4e51aeb1e006785fb56d5f7b75f01f4e2604b429188384b#rd
wanwanma 发表于 2022-01-05 16:17

马克,慢慢看
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xiaoxiongxiaojie
这也是个语不惊人死不休的惯犯,老太真是口没遮拦啥都敢说啊,当今形势闹一下出点气发声挺好的。不过话说回来,大学入学就业婚恋各种对亚裔的社会系统性歧视也应该同样condemn, 不管站哪边。
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mightyjohn
拓展下思路
Is China better off with fewer Muslims in Xin Jiang?
Is China better off with fewer Blacks in Guang Zhou?
人类社会的难题啊。
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fmdou
她敢这么说,就是因为她有一定市场有一定的群众基础。 美国现在就是这么分裂。 她可以狡辩她拥有言论自由, 你们想要cancel她,她是律师所以她一定知道如何运用它为自己护体, 其实还是要penn里的师生出来反驳她,而且还要利用媒体的报道。 但是penn炒了她如何,说不定更有名,还怕利和权不来么?她可以去党派里,可以参与和她理念一样的媒体,这些年,这样的例子还少么? 这才是可悲的地方。



落地无声 发表于 2022-01-05 21:13

完全赞同!
说不定这个老太太就盼着被fire呢。到时候美国右翼都会尊她为英雄。
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m口罩sk
好奇她说了什么,摘录一些:
"If you go into medical schools, you'll see that Indians, South Asians are now rising stars in medicine, they're sort of the new Jews, I guess you could say," Wax, who is Jewish, said during the interview, and went on to say diversity, equity and inclusion initiatives are "poisoning the scientific establishment and the medical establishment now."
"Why should someone who emigrated from India and has taken advantage of everything our society has to offer, who is leading the good life, who is part of the elite ... why shouldn't that person be objectively grateful? And, you know, recognize overtly all the wonderful things about our country?" she said, in reference to South Asian female doctors criticizing the US for racism.
海阔 发表于 2022-01-05 20:51

天看看她都说得什么,这理居然还有人说她有理?!这次疫情出来得几个medical experts里面,没一个出来抗议得吗?公然叫板dei,居然没出来抗议?!!
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yiemaosh
上海那时候收留了多多少少逃难来的犹太人!!! 二战过了,就忘了么?!
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gem
她也就敢说亚裔,说其它族裔明天就被打死了
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paipaimm
https://www.change.org/p/university-of-pennsylvania-fire-racist-penn-law-professor-amy-wax
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shoeholic
一张犹太脸,你咋不和德国人响应呢,当初屠了你们的族看来屠的还不够。他们也只是要less jew
大家都跟dean和president发邮件啊!行动起来!
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waxxq
这个叫兽很恐怖
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拓展下思路
Is China better off with fewer Muslims in Xin Jiang?
Is China better off with fewer Blacks in Guang Zhou?
人类社会的难题啊。
mightyjohn 发表于 2022-01-05 21:59

等一下!美国亚裔群体,在美国各族裔中算是education第一名,犯罪最低的群体吧? 所以新疆穆斯林群体和广东黑人群体,也是(ob average)吃苦耐劳赚钱多,奉公守法学习好的群体?
王力宏的情人
回复 1楼Wendyeco的帖子
说的没错,华人很多精致的利己主义,是要拉出来好好批斗
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wcy19491983
好奇她说了什么,摘录一些:
"If you go into medical schools, you'll see that Indians, South Asians are now rising stars in medicine, they're sort of the new Jews, I guess you could say," Wax, who is Jewish, said during the interview, and went on to say diversity, equity and inclusion initiatives are "poisoning the scientific establishment and the medical establishment now."
"Why should someone who emigrated from India and has taken advantage of everything our society has to offer, who is leading the good life, who is part of the elite ... why shouldn't that person be objectively grateful? And, you know, recognize overtly all the wonderful things about our country?" she said, in reference to South Asian female doctors criticizing the US for racism.
海阔 发表于 2022-01-05 20:51

话说印度人现在开始挤占犹太人的精英世界了(高管,商学院,etc)挺好奇印度社区怎么反应的
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回复 228楼yiemaosh的帖子
所以我觉得她是主要针对印度人,是不是误伤中国人不知道。总之种族主义没跑了
墨西哥辣椒
回复 228楼yiemaosh的帖子
所以我觉得她是主要针对印度人,是不是误伤中国人不知道。总之种族主义没跑了
xiaohetiao 发表于 2022-01-06 02:06

印度不是亚洲人
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firstautumn
话说印度人现在开始挤占犹太人的精英世界了(高管,商学院,etc)挺好奇印度社区怎么反应的
wcy19491983 发表于 2022-01-06 01:06

看了一眼她说的是事实,印度人占领医学院。印度人为了高薪工作可以去加勒比地区读医学院而后回美工作,曲线救国。犹太人歧视印度人,歧视没跑。最好转到印度社区。反正是极品斗极品。