你什么阅读水平？我哪句话说阳性见不得人？我只是觉得楼主不应该用home test result得出他们家其他几个人没有感染的结论。 知道你们全家早就得过了，所以你看见别人家有人感染那种蠢蠢欲动的心思溢于言表，但是也请你take your head out of your ass仔细看看在回帖 babyflynn 发表于 2021-12-15 16:28
Painless, Silent Organ Damage Seen in Covid ‘Long Hauler’ Study Kidney damage is painless and silent, and it’s the latest ailment to be identified afflicting a large swath of Covid-19 survivors. Injury to the blood-filtering organ can occur among people who recover from the coronavirus at home, and escalates with the severity of Covid, a study found. Even non-hospitalized patients with no renal problems have almost a twofold higher risk of developing end-stage kidney disease, compared with someone who never had Covid. The findings, reported Wednesday in the Journal of the American Society of Nephrology, highlight yet another pernicious burden of the pandemic that’s sickened more than 200 million people globally. The data show 7.8 extra people needing dialysis or a kidney transplant per 10,000 of these mild-to-moderate Covid patients. “This is not a small number, if you multiply by the huge number of Americans and also globally who might be ending up with end-stage kidney disease,” said Ziyad Al-Aly, director of the clinical epidemiology center at the Veterans Affairs St. Louis Health Care System in Missouri. “This is really huge, and it will literally shape our lives for probably the next decade or more.” Al-Aly, who led the study, and his colleagues in April mined data collected during the routine delivery of care from the Veterans Health Administration to document the cascade of debilitating effects that plague Covid survivors months after diagnosis, from blood clots, stroke, diabetes and breathing difficulties to heart, liver and kidney damage, depression, anxiety and memory loss. Al-Aly’s latest research compared the risks of kidney-related conditions in 89,216 VA users who survived Covid against more than 1.7 million counterparts without the pandemic disease. “What’s really problematic about kidney disease is that it’s really silent, that it doesn’t really manifest in pain or any other symptoms,” said Al-Aly, who also works as a nephrologist. Al-Aly and colleagues found non-hospitalized Covid patients have a 23% increased risk of suffering acute kidney injury within six months -- a condition that impedes the removal of waste and toxins from the blood. Doctors caring for Covid survivors must also be alert for a broad spectrum of kidney disease among these patients, according to Al-Aly. “If this is really happening at a wider scale -- and we think it is -- it’s just a matter of time before we see all of these people hitting the clinics, needing dialysis, needing transplantation that places a lot of burden on the patient himself or herself, and really is very costly to the health care system,” he said. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-09-01/painless-silent-organ-damage-seen-in-large-long-hauler-study
你用的是home test kit对吧？home test kit只对病毒含量非常高的case有效，你和老大肯定也是阳性，只不过病毒数量比较少，home test kit检测不出来，你要是真想知道到底有没有感染，应该去做pcr，而不是拿home test kit结果在这里下结论，这是个不正确也不负责任的结论 babyflynn 发表于 2021-12-15 15:01
Painless, Silent Organ Damage Seen in Covid ‘Long Hauler’ Study Kidney damage is painless and silent, and it’s the latest ailment to be identified afflicting a large swath of Covid-19 survivors. Injury to the blood-filtering organ can occur among people who recover from the coronavirus at home, and escalates with the severity of Covid, a study found. Even non-hospitalized patients with no renal problems have almost a twofold higher risk of developing end-stage kidney disease, compared with someone who never had Covid. The findings, reported Wednesday in the Journal of the American Society of Nephrology, highlight yet another pernicious burden of the pandemic that’s sickened more than 200 million people globally. The data show 7.8 extra people needing dialysis or a kidney transplant per 10,000 of these mild-to-moderate Covid patients. “This is not a small number, if you multiply by the huge number of Americans and also globally who might be ending up with end-stage kidney disease,” said Ziyad Al-Aly, director of the clinical epidemiology center at the Veterans Affairs St. Louis Health Care System in Missouri. “This is really huge, and it will literally shape our lives for probably the next decade or more.” Al-Aly, who led the study, and his colleagues in April mined data collected during the routine delivery of care from the Veterans Health Administration to document the cascade of debilitating effects that plague Covid survivors months after diagnosis, from blood clots, stroke, diabetes and breathing difficulties to heart, liver and kidney damage, depression, anxiety and memory loss. Al-Aly’s latest research compared the risks of kidney-related conditions in 89,216 VA users who survived Covid against more than 1.7 million counterparts without the pandemic disease. “What’s really problematic about kidney disease is that it’s really silent, that it doesn’t really manifest in pain or any other symptoms,” said Al-Aly, who also works as a nephrologist. Al-Aly and colleagues found non-hospitalized Covid patients have a 23% increased risk of suffering acute kidney injury within six months -- a condition that impedes the removal of waste and toxins from the blood. Doctors caring for Covid survivors must also be alert for a broad spectrum of kidney disease among these patients, according to Al-Aly. “If this is really happening at a wider scale -- and we think it is -- it’s just a matter of time before we see all of these people hitting the clinics, needing dialysis, needing transplantation that places a lot of burden on the patient himself or herself, and really is very costly to the health care system,” he said. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-09-01/painless-silent-organ-damage-seen-in-large-long-hauler-study
lz来分享下而已，也挺负责的，全家隔离。怎么有你这种在家憋得无聊网上指手画脚的人
Resulting是说你最后的话，觉得下次还会去。这个就是resulting.
反疫苗的无从下嘴，只能换个角度咬楼主了。楼主不要在意。
娃虽然现在不care，但是十几年后她秀自己2岁时候去欧洲的照片那还是挺开心的哈哈
我家那个一次没用上，娃洗澡时候摁水里吹泡泡玩，那个红色的头子很神奇，单独拿下来能吹出口哨效果
从前有个故事，讲的父子俩卖驴。楼主做自己就好，不管你怎么做，干什么，总有人指责。世道如此。
就是嫉妒。自己没出去玩，看到别人出去玩了眼馋但是自己胆子小又不敢去，所以就指责出去玩得不牺牲。可是现在的政策我真心觉得，能出去早出去。回头看还不定哪一年是安全呢。长叹一声。我也是哪个在家闷久了看别人出去玩就就后悔的人。总觉得再等等再等等。
楼主不是没想到风险否则不会感恩节前第三针刚放开自己和老公都打了第三针，五岁娃打针的风险也忽略了毅然打了一针。
在二娃没针可打感染的风险极大和自己出去浪的些许快乐中选择了自己的快乐，长途跋涉，出国，换多个交通工具。
别的还用多说吗？
没人责备她的生活方式，她自己要出来说。
为啥resulting不是因为打了疫苗？
出来说怎么了，不也是好心分享么？楼里好多人指责楼主啊。怎么没人指责。
人家也许就是随手打个字，哪里想到华人全是神枪手，看见就打，结果成了筛子。对于华人的攻击性估计不足。
哈哈哈，you made my day
灌水嘛，有啥说啥喽，摊上没有common sense的父母，为她家二娃不值而已
感谢lz分享，尤其有大娃的，出去透透风没觉得有什么不对～～
我对她负责不负责，全家隔离不隔离，一点也不care。我就是单纯心疼她家小娃而已，做了什么孽要被父母为了一己私欲这么折腾，还给折腾病了。
前面说的对，这位层主的确是能力差还无趣，整个人生都围着小孩那种
嗯。最后可能大家都会得。怎么预防控制才是正路。千万别被它吓死。
被这个叹气逗笑了。。。抱抱楼主mm，网上啥人都有，也算是体验生活的一种吧。
是的，其实就是嫉妒。。。。而且一个帖子可以看出，有不少都得过了。得就得吧，生活处处有风险。怕死焦虑生活质量才真低
没准是造了把投胎到你家的名额推给了别人的孽。
你家老大如果不去做pcr，那打算什么时候上学？上学之前如果pcr还是阳性，你又如何确定他没有传染性了呢？他的同学们的安全不在你的考虑范围之内？
你什么阅读水平？我哪句话说阳性见不得人？我只是觉得楼主不应该用home test result得出他们家其他几个人没有感染的结论。
知道你们全家早就得过了，所以你看见别人家有人感染那种蠢蠢欲动的心思溢于言表，但是也请你take your head out of your ass仔细看看在回帖
你没有问题啊，别理道德警察。 感谢提供dp
是这个道理，问题是楼主不去做pcr，到底有没有感染没人知道
你这种人真的挺无聊的，自己意识不到吗？
对呀 我是说lz说的终于理解为啥有人觉得阳性见不得人了 层主木有看到我的“而且”吗
其实用不确定的测试方法就是不想阳性吧 这个和不测就没有也差不多
美国五千万给疫情添砖加瓦的，怎么办？关集中营？赶紧回国。
楼主不都说了全家都在隔离，密切接触者的隔离。楼主隔离好了自然检查完才让上学。学校一般都要求。
是的 居然可以把病毒带回来 可见美帝的入境测试到底有多少用
因为你能力差吧。
有时候我真怀疑这板上很多人是不是生活在外星，怎么那么多人说要测了PCR阴性才能出门活动。你们难道不知道covid痊愈一两个月内测PCR也可能是阳性吗？ 还有口口声声说有鼻涕就肯定是假阴性的，感情你们的娃大冬天从来不会流鼻涕？ 不说老大两次测都是阴性了，就算他真的中招了，他的“症状”onset只比老二晚两天，我们隔离了两周去上学的时候也早就过了cdc的症状onset后10天的隔离期了。所有诊所都建议密接娃没啥症状就在家里呆着，那么多人追着我要我带娃去测，是怕没人出去传播病毒吗？
这也没办法 大家都只顾自己的自由 社区传染就是这样开始的
所以疫情生生不息
这是写在人类基因里的 逃不掉的
不是每个人都有条件不生病的，病毒不会消失的情况下，愿意自己承担风险出去玩是很正常的决定。呆在家抑郁了也消耗社会资源啊。
这属于现有policy的设计漏洞 所以实际操作中真的就是不测就没有 （就如你最后那句话说的）
lz消消气 你的操作属于正常人都会这么干的方式
但是由于政策设计脑残 这疫情是不会消停了
楼主不要理那些杠精了
政策完全是基于统计的，并不管个别长期阳性的人带来的风险，反正在总数里看不出来。
谢谢你的分享。不要理会杠精。你说的对，就是这样越来越有用的信息一点都没了。 有些杠精占着公共马甲抬杠嘴脸真让人恶心。连自己id 都不肯露
出门远游 哪怕没症状 也是隔离一下比较好 不然很可能就是社区传染的源头
当然现如今的奇怪政策 导致很多人都不会这么干了
折腾一圈唯一没打疫苗的娃不幸感染了，最后其他三个人没啥问题，感染的娃也退烧了。这不是一般流感是啥？
滥用公马的已经被处理，欢迎大家第一时间举报滥用公马的，谢谢！
而且，CDC 等等好多都说，疫苗 + 得过 基本等于最强防护了！
而且人家还玩到了！
加一句，我绝不是主张 大家要主动去感染，就是主张要尽量正常生活！
同意，之前还有人在疫苗贴里批着个马甲说自己是医生，自己打了疫苗但是不准备给小孩打疫苗。真是好笑，说自己是医生还要批个马甲？批个马甲谁知道你是谁啊？怎么不说自己是美国总统啊。
最近假阴的可能还是很大的
lz一家测与不测的差别不大 反正都在隔离
但是用不准确的测量做extrapolation意义不大吧
而且我感觉，这种跑出去旅游一趟把病毒带回来的case肯定不是少数。旅游诚然是你自己的事情关别人屁事，但把病毒带到各个地方就不仅仅是你自己的事情了吧？疫情为什么一波未平一波又起，真是拜这些人所赐。当然这些人的理论就是不让他们出去旅游一趟，他们就会抑郁就会疯就会心理出问题，我只想说，对于这种心理脆弱适应力又差社会责任感又比较缺失的人来说，以后让你们心理崩溃的事情还多着呢，好自为之吧。我见到这种人会有多远躲多远。
成人这么高才吓人吧，小孩，尤其小小孩 发烧就是 高的，
还有看 其他，意识，整体状态等等，
就像横穿高速公路，碰巧只是蹭破皮，如果不警醒，反而庆幸衣服穿得厚，就比较好笑了，lol
不打疫苗，对百分之八十以上的人，得了也和流感没啥区别。但你怎么知道你会是那百分之八十？
奇怪，反疫苗的不是以小孩即使得了新冠也很少有重症为理由反对为孩子接种吗？现在怎么又宣扬得了新冠可能会对心脑血管、神经及其他脏器有损伤给身体留下什么后患了？ 既然你们觉得得了新冠后会给身体留下后患那为什么反对接种疫苗呢？
你连我为什么反对强制这个疫苗的原因还没搞清楚就先给我扣帽子也是醉了。
你们的逻辑就是不打一个还没ready的疫苗就一定得新冠，新冠和疫苗二选一。
另外，打了这个疫苗就一定不得新冠了？？？？感觉你脑子一团浆糊
看，这就有人被误导了。楼主家并没有去测，小小娃症状严重一些，其他人症状轻，症状轻和没感染是两个概念
你反疫苗是从强制后才开始的吗？
你是怎么判定美国疫苗还没ready的？
打疫苗不一定可以避免得新冠但可以减少重症和死亡已经证据如山，你既然认为得了新冠可能会对心脑血管、神经及其他脏器有损伤给身体留下什么后患那为什么还要反对接种疫苗以避免这种后患甚至死亡呢？
你自己脑子拎不清所以说话自相矛盾，如果讲得出道理你就不会撒泼打滚了。
看看你这泼妇嘴脸，不就是本来打算bso一下全家只有最小的中招被无情揭穿完全不懂科学的本质么？你自己不去测，还指望别人夸你么？
“泼妇嘴脸”和“完全不懂科学”原句奉还，麻烦查查antigen test的敏感度，了解一下隔了几天两次都阴性啥意思。其他懒得跟你说了，完全无视两次测试结果在那儿硬扛也就只有你不脸红了。
我再说一句对你们这种上来就扣帽子的疫苗党，我不反疫苗，已经ready的疫苗该接种的我一个都没少接种。小黄本上都有记录。
我自己不接种新冠疫苗那是根据我自身的情况，我认为对我来说benefit并没有大于risk. 我需要的最终目的是不感染新冠而不是打针。至于别人根据他们自己情况做决定，谁需要接种谁爱接种关我啥事？
感染新冠对心脑血管及神经及其他脏器有损伤以及long hauler又不是只有到了重症才有的。我之前看过一则新闻，说的是感染新冠中轻症没有得到及时治疗，在家里憋好的，很多都发现对脏器比如肾脏有损伤。你可以自己去搜这条新闻。疫苗防重症又不防感染，感染了是中轻症一样对脏器有损伤，你把一个只防止重症和死亡的疫苗拿出来说事是让人觉得你逻辑很清晰？还说别人撒泼打滚？多大的脸？多蠢的脑子？
Painless, Silent Organ Damage Seen in Covid ‘Long Hauler’ Study
Kidney damage is painless and silent, and it’s the latest ailment to be identified afflicting a large swath of Covid-19 survivors.
Injury to the blood-filtering organ can occur among people who recover from the coronavirus at home, and escalates with the severity of Covid, a study found. Even non-hospitalized patients with no renal problems have almost a twofold higher risk of developing end-stage kidney disease, compared with someone who never had Covid.
The findings, reported Wednesday in the Journal of the American Society of Nephrology, highlight yet another pernicious burden of the pandemic that’s sickened more than 200 million people globally.
The data show 7.8 extra people needing dialysis or a kidney transplant per 10,000 of these mild-to-moderate Covid patients.
“This is not a small number, if you multiply by the huge number of Americans and also globally who might be ending up with end-stage kidney disease,” said Ziyad Al-Aly, director of the clinical epidemiology center at the Veterans Affairs St. Louis Health Care System in Missouri. “This is really huge, and it will literally shape our lives for probably the next decade or more.”
Al-Aly, who led the study, and his colleagues in April mined data collected during the routine delivery of care from the Veterans Health Administration to document the cascade of debilitating effects that plague Covid survivors months after diagnosis, from blood clots, stroke, diabetes and breathing difficulties to heart, liver and kidney damage, depression, anxiety and memory loss.
Al-Aly’s latest research compared the risks of kidney-related conditions in 89,216 VA users who survived Covid against more than 1.7 million counterparts without the pandemic disease.
“What’s really problematic about kidney disease is that it’s really silent, that it doesn’t really manifest in pain or any other symptoms,” said Al-Aly, who also works as a nephrologist.
Al-Aly and colleagues found non-hospitalized Covid patients have a 23% increased risk of suffering acute kidney injury within six months -- a condition that impedes the removal of waste and toxins from the blood.
Doctors caring for Covid survivors must also be alert for a broad spectrum of kidney disease among these patients, according to Al-Aly.
“If this is really happening at a wider scale -- and we think it is -- it’s just a matter of time before we see all of these people hitting the clinics, needing dialysis, needing transplantation that places a lot of burden on the patient himself or herself, and really is very costly to the health care system,” he said.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-09-01/painless-silent-organ-damage-seen-in-large-long-hauler-study
虽然我也不会选择带toddler去欧洲，但是那是因为我只有带去cruise的能力，凭什么瞧不起人家有这能力的父母？ -- 当然了，covid以后我家娃没坐过飞机，但是这既然合法，也不过是楼主的个人选择，有些judge真的很奇怪
不要和这个ID吵了，浪费时间还惹自己生气。屏蔽拉黑就好
antigen test容易漏测啊，估计是感染了但是病毒量不高
胡扯啊，店里卖的自测的正确性很高的好不好？
对的，反疫苗大妈们在这个帖子里又集体出动了。屏蔽就好。
谁在乎你自己打不打疫苗？你在这个论坛上窜下跳黑疫苗那么活跃还说自己不反疫苗那说明你自己都觉得你们的行为很丢人。
接种疫苗的目的就是为了和病毒争分夺秒阻止病毒对身体器官的伤害。你胡扯那么多的逻辑是虽然疫苗可以防止重症和死亡但不能防止中、症所以不应该打疫苗？你这种人还好意思拿脑子和逻辑说事，笑掉大牙了。
呵呵，果不其然，理屈词穷了吧？你觉得你这两段话有一点内容吗？除了撒泼打滚？我需要你在乎吗？你是谁啊？脑袋糊涂成这样要是被你在乎可倒大霉了。我阐述我的观点而已，你不爱看没让你看啊。
就说了，如果不是蠢，绝对不会成为疫苗党。接种疫苗的人并非一定是疫苗党，有的人根据自己的情况理性选择接种。但是你这种是纯蠢。
你为啥一定就觉得楼主家一定positive了？快速测试有症状的时候准确率相当高，两次false negative的概率小于小于0.5%，还是楼主和她家老大两个人，这是四次测试，false negative的概率是多少你知道吗？
今天可是见识这些反疫苗的丑恶嘴脸了。
但是我还是觉得对自己负责对家人负责，人人都应该做好防护不要得上，大人最好打疫苗五岁小孩最好别打。
+1
好不好谁也不知道，反正我不劝人家孩子不打，我有什么根据呢，都是赌。
不提covid，去欧洲带着两个这么小的孩子有啥好玩的请楼主介绍一下。
说实话，楼主家老二的高烧症状和持续时间更像流感。不像新冠。也可能是O。如果真是O的话，那对小小孩真是个坏消息。
第一次看到toddler 得了新冠发烧到104度而且持续一周。这已经很严重了。
你自己脑子不好使回答不了我问你的一个很简单的问题：疫苗可以防死亡和重症你为什么要反疫苗？，所以只好来来回回撒泼耍无赖说别人“脑子一团浆糊”、“多蠢的脑子”、“纯蠢”，看来你的智商也就只能达到这种水平了。
赞mm！有些人有了娃就觉得地球就围着她家娃转呢，看到别人家父母孩子互相适应就不顺眼了，非得父母完全放弃自己的生活才叫负责。对这种人简单同情5秒，不能更多了
怕啥，5岁以下疫苗已经在路上了。
…多旅游不是应该对小孩智商发育有帮助吗？有小孩才不得不打鸡血出门吧，都是为了孩子。