德州反疫苗妈妈确诊后,传染给四岁女儿导致女儿死亡,另外两个更小的孩子也被妈妈感染

Cath226
昨天有个新闻,有个心脏病突发还是癌症复发的人,家人和急救的打电话给十几家有ICU的医院,全部被告知已经没有空余床位了,大都是新冠病人给站着床位。 这个人就这么死了。
liucoan 发表于 2021-09-14 10:25

加拿大也出现好几例了。在ER等着就死了,或者去了ER说不危急先回家吧,第二天死在家里。 可笑的是反口罩反疫苗人士还跑去医院门口要自由,吓得护士不敢上班了。抗议可以,爱上哪儿自由上哪儿自由去啊,耽误人家看病算啥。
s
star1991
比伊博拉病毒还利害,简直太快了,能不能好好调查一下,是不是COVID造成的死亡
巴黎provence
不给你解释了嘛,纯造谣,感染最多的是18岁以下没接种的,不是接种后的中老年人。不会再回复你了。
happy3001 发表于 2021-09-14 13:46

你一定要说英国卫生局发布的数据是“纯造谣”,正常人都没办法接下去了。
不过,你以上的言论是一个“纯造谣”的最佳案例。
k
kwirky
It looks like the kid died with covid not died of covid
surge
现在各地政府都学精了,一边vaccine advisor告诉你不建议,另一边medical adivsor考虑其他因素下一个要打的命令,最后不管该不该打,话都给你说全了。
说到英国的数据,这么好的一个帖子怎么又到时政了呢
https://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.html?topicid=2727935&fid=384

巴黎provence 发表于 2021-09-14 13:14

那个帖子我看到了,不过后来发现被移走,我就懒得回了。
那个数据很好理解。
第一,英国打的是AZ。早就有报道,AZ对Delta的防感染效果一般 ,但防重症的效果不错。 这个数据是关于感染而不是重症的。
第二,似乎疫苗对年龄大的效果不好,年龄小的效果好。其实不然。 我觉得和年龄没关系, 而是和你什么时候打疫苗有关系。 英国和美国一样,年龄越大打得越早,一月到现在,抗体量减低了很多,就抵挡不住了。 年轻的打得晚, 所以保护力还有
第三,老年group的vaccine率高。英国现在平均80%, 所以老年人group都超过90% 了。所以在疫苗过了6个月没什么保护感染作用(还是能保护重症)的情况下,你发现老年人group感染的绝大多数都是打了疫苗的。这是数学,不能证明疫苗的无效性或反效性。

那个楼主的数据本身没有造谣,最多说misleading, 因为他的意思很明显,特意把那个老年数据圈出来,意思就是疫苗无效或反而加重感染机会。 接下来第一和第二评论是同一个人的,很有阴谋论和胡说八道的味道。 英国居然不造假?? 从流感疫苗开始,疫苗就是用来传播病毒的
当然我不赞成把这个楼移走的。留在鲜花版让人反驳我也是同意的

巴黎provence
那个帖子我看到了,不过后来发现被移走,我就懒得回了。
那个数据很好理解。
第一,英国打的是AZ。早就有报道,AZ对Delta的防感染效果一般 ,但防重症的效果不错。 这个数据是关于感染而不是重症的。
第二,似乎疫苗对年龄大的效果不好,年龄小的效果好。其实不然。 我觉得和年龄没关系, 而是和你什么时候打疫苗有关系。 英国和美国一样,年龄越大打得越早,一月到现在,抗体量减低了很多,就抵挡不住了。 年轻的打得晚, 所以保护力还有
第三,老年group的vaccine率高。英国现在平均80%, 所以老年人group都超过90% 了。所以在疫苗过了6个月没什么保护感染作用(还是能保护重症)的情况下,你发现老年人group感染的绝大多数都是打了疫苗的。这是数学,不能证明疫苗的无效性或反效性。

那个楼主的数据本身没有造谣,最多说misleading, 因为他的意思很明显,特意把那个老年数据圈出来,意思就是疫苗无效或反而加重感染机会。 接下来第一和第二评论是同一个人的,很有阴谋论和胡说八道的味道。 英国居然不造假?? 从流感疫苗开始,疫苗就是用来传播病毒的
当然我不赞成把这个楼移走的。留在鲜花版让人反驳我也是同意的


surge 发表于 2021-09-14 14:05

人家圈了几个年龄组,也不算misleading吧。正确解读也不应当看圈的那两列,而是最后两列,打没打疫苗的在相应组里的感染率才是重点。
抛开其他各种表格里没有的因素,直观的解读是40-79岁里不打疫苗感染率比较低,其他年龄段打疫苗感染率比较低。至于说明了什么,仁者见仁,智者见智。
但有一点不应当忽略的,那就是应当用动态的眼光去评判疫苗的效果。未来面对的变种,每个人的身体,家庭和工作情况,都截然不同。用任何一种一刀切的手段来抗疫都是不科学,不可持续的。
shiguang
哎 可怜的孩子 🥺
dailymail

https://nypost.com/2021/09/13/texas-girl-dies-of-covid-19-infection-from-anti-vax-momtexas-girl-4-dies-of-covid-19-after-being-infected-by-anti-vax-mom/ Texas girl, 4, dies of COVID-19 after being infected by anti-vax mom

A 4-year-old Texas girl has died of COVID-19 — which she likely contracted from her mom, a staunch anti-vaxxer, the grieving parent said.
Little Kali Cook died in her sleep at home in Bacliff on Tuesday, just five hours after she woke in the early hours with the first signs of a fever, mom Karra Harwood told local media. “Kali was perfectly fine, and then she was gone,” the shattered mother told the Houston Chronicle. “It took her so fast.”
Harwood said she had tested positive the previous day, with her and her fiancé, William Tucker, already out of work because they were sick and quarantining at home.
“I tried to stay away from her and didn’t want her and my other kids to get it,” she told the Galveston County Daily News of Kali and her brother and 5-month-old sister, both of whom also got infected.
The mom admitted that she now regrets opposing COVID-19 vaccines. In Texas, the vaccination rate is just a fraction over 50 percent, Johns Hopkins University data shows.
“I was one of the people that was anti, I was against it,” she told her local paper of the shots.
“Now, I wish I never was,” she admitted.


mouthful 发表于 2021-09-14 10:06

个例没有啥意义 需要全美的统计数据,各个年龄段新冠死亡率
YourGirl
反疫苗的人也反口罩 自己作死害了家人 可怜的小孩
Rxy51
打了疫苗的也都不戴口罩了。 我们这里高中football, 几百人看比赛, 不到10%戴口罩
qlsdyxd1
那顶多是少传染给外人,头几天病毒量一样还不是第一时间传染给自己家人
magnoliaceae 发表于 2021-09-14 10:57

理解指数的,就知道少传染几个人有多重要。
surge
人家圈了几个年龄组,也不算misleading吧。正确解读也不应当看圈的那两列,而是最后两列,打没打疫苗的在相应组里的感染率才是重点。
抛开其他各种表格里没有的因素,直观的解读是40-79岁里不打疫苗感染率比较低,其他年龄段打疫苗感染率比较低。至于说明了什么,仁者见仁,智者见智。
但有一点不应当忽略的,那就是应当用动态的眼光去评判疫苗的效果。未来面对的变种,每个人的身体,家庭和工作情况,都截然不同。用任何一种一刀切的手段来抗疫都是不科学,不可持续的。

巴黎provence 发表于 2021-09-14 14:23

你这句话’40-79岁里不打疫苗感染率比较低” 就是我说的misleading,因为你没有考虑到这些年龄组打了疫苗和没有打疫苗人数的比例。 如果一个国家100%的人都打了疫苗, 你说这个国家100%的cases都是属于打过疫苗的。你说的的确是事实,但把另一个事实omit掉了。 That's the very definition of misleading.
其实,你这句连misleading都算不上,完全就是错的。 感染率的分母是什么。40-79岁里不打疫苗感染率应该是 (40-79岁不打疫苗而且被感染 )/ 40-79岁不打疫苗总人数。 你用的是40-79岁总人数作为分母, 当然不对。
mindstorm
人家圈了几个年龄组,也不算misleading吧。正确解读也不应当看圈的那两列,而是最后两列,打没打疫苗的在相应组里的感染率才是重点。
抛开其他各种表格里没有的因素,直观的解读是40-79岁里不打疫苗感染率比较低,其他年龄段打疫苗感染率比较低。至于说明了什么,仁者见仁,智者见智。
但有一点不应当忽略的,那就是应当用动态的眼光去评判疫苗的效果。未来面对的变种,每个人的身体,家庭和工作情况,都截然不同。用任何一种一刀切的手段来抗疫都是不科学,不可持续的。

巴黎provence 发表于 2021-09-14 14:23

看不出任何MISLEADING的地方。简单直接的数据最说明问题。误导人的,是一堆通过各种牛比的统计方法,说疫苗是99%有效的那些人。
那个表格,只不过印证了一直被封杀的说法而已。其实要看最后两列
巴黎provence
你这句话’40-79岁里不打疫苗感染率比较低” 就是我说的misleading,因为你没有考虑到这些年龄组打了疫苗和没有打疫苗人数的比例。 如果一个国家100%的人都打了疫苗, 你说这个国家100%的cases都是属于打过疫苗的。你说的的确是事实,但把另一个事实omit掉了。 That's the very definition of misleading.
其实,你这句连misleading都算不上,完全就是错的。 感染率的分母是什么。40-79岁里不打疫苗感染率应该是 (40-79岁不打疫苗而且被感染 )/ 40-79岁不打疫苗总人数。 你用的是40-79岁总人数作为分母, 当然不对。
surge 发表于 2021-09-14 14:42

你完全没有去看报告吧,想当然地批判。
分母当然是某年龄段打或者没打疫苗的总人数,否则怎么会出现80+看绝对人数疫苗组不占优势但看百分比就截然相反的现象。
mindstorm
我现在是相信口罩,洗手消毒漱口洗鼻子,加上补充维生素胜过相信疫苗。疫苗刚出来是坚定疫苗支持者,天天刷有不有空位,刷到就去打,然后天天盼孩子的疫苗的批准,现在成了对疫苗犹豫了,我好朋友打第一针去了ER,以为自己心肌梗塞要死了,这还是个女的。发生在自己身边的事是很有震撼力的,我理解不想打疫苗的,也许多等段时间,疫苗会改良更安全。我是反对强制疫苗的
star1991 发表于 2021-09-14 12:22

跟你一样,支持疫苗,反对强制疫苗。 既然支持疫苗说小孩子没疫苗,那疫苗对所有小孩放开好了,随便打,但也不应当允许强制,比如上学要求什么的。
我个人坚决反对强制给几岁的小孩子打疫苗,强制第三针。
surge
看不出任何MISLEADING的地方。简单直接的数据最说明问题。误导人的,是一堆通过各种牛比的统计方法,说疫苗是99%有效的那些人。
那个表格,只不过印证了一直被封杀的说法而已。其实要看最后两列
mindstorm 发表于 2021-09-14 14:49

说疫苗是99%有效, 是那个所谓的从年初没有打疫苗是算死亡病例的方法吧。那个99%的确是误导, 和帖子的误导方式一模一样。95%有效是疫苗厂家的数据,而且是针对野生株。 看看我前面写的三点, 不同意欢迎讨论。
majia9877
普通口罩的作用主要还是防带病毒的人喷出来,所以只有自己戴,效率不会很高。真象医护那样严格fit 好的n95,让孩子在学校连续戴几个小时,很难受的。
Ruth 发表于 2021-09-14 12:39


紫薯
dailymail
跟你一样,支持疫苗,反对强制疫苗。 既然支持疫苗说小孩子没疫苗,那疫苗对所有小孩放开好了,随便打,但也不应当允许强制,比如上学要求什么的。
我个人坚决反对强制给几岁的小孩子打疫苗,强制第三针。

mindstorm 发表于 2021-09-14 14:58

坚决反对强制新冠疫苗 第二针导致我心脏出问题一直没好 er都去了两次
g
godwot
現在有些anti-vaxxer還跑去醫院示威,簡直是超越底線了,又蠢又壞!希望這些去醫院示威的人得病後不要去醫院,自己在家吃獸藥!
surge
你完全没有去看报告吧,想当然地批判。
分母当然是某年龄段打或者没打疫苗的总人数,否则怎么会出现80+看绝对人数疫苗组不占优势但看百分比就截然相反的现象。
巴黎provence 发表于 2021-09-14 14:49

那算给我看看怎么40-79岁里不打疫苗感染率比较低?分母数值是什么?我大致看了一下,老年组这个比例和人群打疫苗 VS 不打疫苗的比例基本一样啊 。
dailymail
坚决反对强制新冠疫苗 第二针导致我心脏出问题一直没好 er都去了两次
dailymail 发表于 2021-09-14 15:03

儿童疫苗更是要慎之又慎
g
godwot
昨天有个新闻,有个心脏病突发还是癌症复发的人,家人和急救的打电话给十几家有ICU的医院,全部被告知已经没有空余床位了,大都是新冠病人给站着床位。 这个人就这么死了。
liucoan 发表于 2021-09-14 10:25

但很多anti-vaxxer認為報紙上的都是假新聞假數據,他們只相信自己圈裡的自媒體和流言,認為相信主流傳媒的人不會獨立思考... 這些人真的沒藥救
mindstorm
坚决反对强制新冠疫苗 第二针导致我心脏出问题一直没好 er都去了两次
dailymail 发表于 2021-09-14 15:03

你这种情况不是少数,有很多帖子说了。可惜现在媒体不给报道,更别提大规模。估计会强制小孩打,不打不让上学。
一切的真相,只能交给时间。
g
godwot
小孩子就是为不负责任的大人买单。
前几日说的一个老同事,反疫苗,得了新冠,2岁的小女儿也得了。 他前几天进icu了,一度垂危,现在脱离险境。 老婆打了疫苗,带着大女儿去娘家了。 老同事脱险后说: 我有抗体了。
落地无声 发表于 2021-09-14 13:33

看了這些例子,我開始懷疑為什麼有人說極右保守派是善良的人。但凡有一點為他人考慮的意識,就不應該一邊反疫苗反口罩,得病後又理直氣壯去ICU佔床位,沒有比這更自私的了。
心函
我们儿童医院才转出来一个16岁的没打疫苗的,上了呼吸机44天,挺过来了转到轻症病房去了。
cactus_mei 发表于 2021-09-14 10:25

44天。。这种上呼吸器44天的,对脑子和身体其他部分的不可逆影响肯定会有一些的吧?不懂,瞎推测
巴黎provence
那算给我看看怎么40-79岁里不打疫苗感染率比较低?分母数值是什么?我大致看了一下,老年组这个比例和人群打疫苗 VS 不打疫苗的比例基本一样啊 。
surge 发表于 2021-09-14 15:07

请仔细读102楼及原数据,比较表格最后两列。
xuexuan
回复 2楼coalpilerd的帖子
打了疫苗,很大几率不被传染上;就算被传染上,也能把病毒局限在自己体内,很小几率传染给家人。这个妈妈要是打了疫苗,她女儿死亡几率要小很多。
起舞弄清影 发表于 2021-09-14 13:37

即使是传给家人,家人症状也要轻的很多
awesomeiris
叹息可怜的孩子自己不能做选择。这简直就是natural selection
不娶何撩
Grandfather passed away due to old age, cause of death listed as Covid with no test. My grandfather passed away last week. He was old, 94 and had been on the decline for a while due to congestive heart failure. Absolutely no exposure to covid. He passed away at home. Was revived through CPR on the way to the ER but he was brain dead by the time he arrived due to a lack of oxygen. On his paperwork, the cause of death is listed as, “Covid-19” and say nothing about his previous well documented conditions. No Covid test was run and no autopsy was performed because of his age. It makes me so angry. When discussing funeral expenses, the funeral director was excited when she saw the paperwork, “He died of covid! So you get 9k back from the government. Now you don’t have to worry about money”. We refused the money and instead questioned why. She said, “Oh, well the hospitals just have to assume everyone that comes to the ER has Covid and that’s why they it’s listed as the cause of death”. Yet I’m supposed to believe this bullshit. That numbers are accurate when I’ve seen first hand, the fact that numbers are inflated and fake. The whole thing just makes me so sad and angry. Edit: For those of you asking for “proof”, I will post his death certificate when I have a copy. However, not sure how that will prove anything to you, being that it states, “Covid” and nothing else. You can just as easily argue that he did have covid. I didn’t post to ask for validation, more to vent my grief over the situation and how saddened it made me to see this issue first hand. I really give no fuck if people believe it or not. I watched my grandfather die. He didn’t have Covid. For those disputing the 9k that the funeral home was so excited about, here is the link to FEMA: https://www.fema.gov/press-release/20210324/fema-help-pay-funeral-costs-covid-19-related-deaths
公用马甲1
回复 126楼不娶何撩的帖子
记得你也是个大厂的高知啊,什么时候沦落到这种不入流的帖子、传闻都信以为真的地步的啊?
a
alemon
为什么说到不打疫苗,就是右派支持者?
黑人疫苗率全美垫底,黑人大多是民主党支持者吧。
m
moonandsixpence
昨天有个新闻,有个心脏病突发还是癌症复发的人,家人和急救的打电话给十几家有ICU的医院,全部被告知已经没有空余床位了,大都是新冠病人给站着床位。 这个人就这么死了。
liucoan 发表于 2021-09-14 10:25

医疗系统真是愚蠢,这种可以打疫苗但是选择不打的,直接降低优先度,如果其他人需要ICU,直接把他们踢出去。
自己作死就让他们死好了。
Lvhiking
回复 64楼不娶何撩的帖子
经常生病的孩子父母就更应该打疫苗保护她们。 我家亲戚的亲戚也是,自己孩子有病,大人也不打疫苗。他自己得了新冠,躲到打了疫苗的老妈家。好了以后,仍反智,又得第二次新冠, 直接进了ICU.
不娶何撩
回复 126楼不娶何撩的帖子
记得你也是个大厂的高知啊,什么时候沦落到这种不入流的帖子、传闻都信以为真的地步的啊?
公用马甲1 发表于 2021-09-14 16:45

are you serious?
do you think this fema gov link is FAKE?
 https://www.fema.gov/press-release/20210324/fema-help-pay-funeral-costs-covid-19-related-deaths

FEMA to Help Pay Funeral Costs for COVID-19-Related Deaths
Release DateRelease NumberMarch 24, 2021HQ-21-071 Release Date: March 24, 2021 WASHINGTON -- In early April, FEMA will begin providing financial assistance for funeral expenses incurred after Jan. 20, 2020 for deaths related to coronavirus (COVID-19) to help ease some of the financial stress and burden caused by the pandemic. The policy was finalized today, and FEMA is now moving rapidly to implement this funeral assistance program nationwide. "At FEMA, our mission is to help people before, during and after disasters," said Acting FEMA Administrator Bob Fenton. “The COVID-19 pandemic has caused immense grief for so many people. Although we cannot change what has happened, we affirm our commitment to help with funeral and burial expenses that many families did not anticipate." To be eligible for COVID-19 funeral assistance, the policy states: The applicant must be a U.S. citizen, non-citizen national, or qualified alien who incurred funeral expenses after Jan. 20, 2020 for a death attributed to COVID-19. If multiple individuals contributed toward funeral expenses, they should apply under a single application as applicant and co-applicant. FEMA will also consider documentation from other individuals not listed as the applicant and co-applicant who may have incurred funeral expenses as part of the registration for the deceased individual.  An applicant may apply for multiple deceased individuals. The COVID-19-related death must have occurred in the United States, including the U.S. territories and the District of Columbia. This assistance is limited to a maximum financial amount of $9,000 per funeral and a maximum of $35,500 per application.   Funeral assistance is intended to assist with expenses for funeral services and interment or cremation. In the coming weeks, a dedicated 800 number will be established to help individuals who apply. In the meantime, potential applicants are encouraged to start gathering the following documentation: An official death certificate that attributes the death to COVID-19 and shows that the death occurred in the United States. The death certificate must indicate the death “may have been caused by” or “was likely the result of” COVID-19 or COVID-19-like symptoms. Similar phrases that indicate a high likelihood of COVID-19 are considered sufficient attribution. Funeral expense documents (receipts, funeral home contract, etc.) that include the applicant’s name, the deceased individual’s name, the amount of funeral expenses and dates the funeral expenses were incurred. Proof of funds received from other sources specifically for use toward funeral costs. Funeral assistance may not duplicate benefits received from burial or funeral insurance, financial assistance received from voluntary agencies, federal/state/local/tribal/territorial government programs or agencies, or other sources. For more information about this assistance, visit COVID-19 Funeral Assistance | FEMA.gov.
tseco
回复 126楼不娶何撩的帖子
记得你也是个大厂的高知啊,什么时候沦落到这种不入流的帖子、传闻都信以为真的地步的啊?
公用马甲1 发表于 2021-09-14 16:45

共用马甲是用来膈应人的吗?躲在公马后面说人闲话,你真入流。
不娶何撩
共用马甲是用来膈应人的吗?躲在公马后面说人闲话,你真入流。
tseco 发表于 2021-09-14 16:50

they are sore losers
Lvhiking
回复 71楼兔子过敏的帖子
你这个说的对。德州州长就是明知故犯,以讹传讹。有数据,有科学依据,却背道而驰,其心可诛。愚民是他们最好的票仓。
Lvhiking
回复 91楼落地无声的帖子
抗体没有疫苗有用的。知道有一人四月份得了,在家挺了一周。八月份又得了,这一次就没那么幸运了。在icu治了一周多才出院。
mylifetouch
回复 126楼不娶何撩的帖子
记得你也是个大厂的高知啊,什么时候沦落到这种不入流的帖子、传闻都信以为真的地步的啊?
公用马甲1 发表于 2021-09-14 16:45

我怎么觉得楼主贴的那个才是不入流的帖子、传闻呢!
vitd120
回复 91楼落地无声的帖子
抗体没有疫苗有用的。知道有一人四月份得了,在家挺了一周。八月份又得了,这一次就没那么幸运了。在icu治了一周多才出院。
Lvhiking 发表于 2021-09-14 16:55

啥呀,自然抗体最近被证明比疫苗强不少
joeblackgod
昨天有个新闻,有个心脏病突发还是癌症复发的人,家人和急救的打电话给十几家有ICU的医院,全部被告知已经没有空余床位了,大都是新冠病人给站着床位。 这个人就这么死了。
liucoan 发表于 2021-09-14 10:25

求source
surge
are you serious?
do you think this fema gov link is FAKE?
 https://www.fema.gov/press-release/20210324/fema-help-pay-funeral-costs-covid-19-related-deaths

FEMA to Help Pay Funeral Costs for COVID-19-Related Deaths
Release DateRelease NumberMarch 24, 2021HQ-21-071 Release Date: March 24, 2021 WASHINGTON -- In early April, FEMA will begin providing financial assistance for funeral expenses incurred after Jan. 20, 2020 for deaths related to coronavirus (COVID-19) to help ease some of the financial stress and burden caused by the pandemic. The policy was finalized today, and FEMA is now moving rapidly to implement this funeral assistance program nationwide. "At FEMA, our mission is to help people before, during and after disasters," said Acting FEMA Administrator Bob Fenton. “The COVID-19 pandemic has caused immense grief for so many people. Although we cannot change what has happened, we affirm our commitment to help with funeral and burial expenses that many families did not anticipate." To be eligible for COVID-19 funeral assistance, the policy states: The applicant must be a U.S. citizen, non-citizen national, or qualified alien who incurred funeral expenses after Jan. 20, 2020 for a death attributed to COVID-19. If multiple individuals contributed toward funeral expenses, they should apply under a single application as applicant and co-applicant. FEMA will also consider documentation from other individuals not listed as the applicant and co-applicant who may have incurred funeral expenses as part of the registration for the deceased individual.  An applicant may apply for multiple deceased individuals. The COVID-19-related death must have occurred in the United States, including the U.S. territories and the District of Columbia. This assistance is limited to a maximum financial amount of $9,000 per funeral and a maximum of $35,500 per application.   Funeral assistance is intended to assist with expenses for funeral services and interment or cremation. In the coming weeks, a dedicated 800 number will be established to help individuals who apply. In the meantime, potential applicants are encouraged to start gathering the following documentation: An official death certificate that attributes the death to COVID-19 and shows that the death occurred in the United States. The death certificate must indicate the death “may have been caused by” or “was likely the result of” COVID-19 or COVID-19-like symptoms. Similar phrases that indicate a high likelihood of COVID-19 are considered sufficient attribution. Funeral expense documents (receipts, funeral home contract, etc.) that include the applicant’s name, the deceased individual’s name, the amount of funeral expenses and dates the funeral expenses were incurred. Proof of funds received from other sources specifically for use toward funeral costs. Funeral assistance may not duplicate benefits received from burial or funeral insurance, financial assistance received from voluntary agencies, federal/state/local/tribal/territorial government programs or agencies, or other sources. For more information about this assistance, visit COVID-19 Funeral Assistance | FEMA.gov.
不娶何撩 发表于 2021-09-14 16:50

我想人家不是说这个FEMA的link是假的,而是那个grandpa 的故事。
好吧,就算这个故事是真的,我想知道这个故事说明了什么? COVID没有那么严重? 没有死很多人?COVID死亡率大大低于现在的统计?去年在川普的时候,就有很多这样的故事,当时的说法的是民主党的坏蛋们人为的把Covid 数据变高,以阻止川普连任。现在拜登在台上,他要这么做干什么?嫌自己的支持率不够低? 啊,另一个解释是肯定是与疫苗公司勾结。可是在医院里,死亡原因是当班医生写的。记住,不是什么administrative staff。所以所有医生都有意虚报死亡原因,这个阴谋网好大呀?“Oh, well the hospitals just have to assume everyone that comes to the ER has Covid and that’s why they it’s listed as the cause of death” 一个 nobody 的funeral director的自己猜测,就当做铁证了? 是不是所有这段时间的人死亡都算COVID?有数据支持吗?
thinredline
现在又来给5岁以下疫苗作宣传了。文案也不改一改。都听腻了。
HeyStranger
前两天看到有反疫苗反口罩人士说医院明明知道兽药有用,就是不给病人用,是因为医院每收一个新冠住院的政府给1万六,每死一个政府给4万。如果给了兽药,就没人住院没人死,医院就没钱拿。一堆人还号召大家得了新冠千万不要去医院,赶紧在家吃兽药。
我在想,这些人要么是超级脑残,要么是打疫苗戴口罩的人看不惯脑残党占据医疗资源,出来捣乱的吧。
alessa 发表于 2021-09-14 10:47

前者的可能性比较大,你不知道阴谋论可以夸张到什么地步
s
springday
一个地方新闻台贴了个Facebook 帖子, 让大家分享没打疫苗的人死掉的故事, 看看大家分享的东西吧
Some local news station put up a Facebook post asking people to share their stories of unvaccinated loved ones who died. 
The response they got is NOT what they were expecting I bet! This is pretty incredible. 
this is the link: https://www.facebook.com/110047718058030/posts/117910867271715/?d=n
Asiya Ali Great to hear the truth coming out. My friend took the depop and got shingles. I told her to report it. To this day I don’t think she ever did.
Michelle PG This is scary. I lost a friend of covid. She was vaccinated two months before contracting the virus and ended up dying from the virus.
Sherri Goldman Kim Don’t know anyone that died of Covid. However after being fully vaccinated , know 2 people that needed open heart surgery, 1 man put on a heart monitor 1 man developed Leukemia, and 1 man that developed and died from lymph node cancer. All of these people are in their 70’s and the one that died was 80. We can’t trust our Media and our Doctors are killing us. Is there a vaccine for this, which is the real pandemic.
Mary Hannah Mouawad Recently my mother inlaw at the age of 88, was still in good mind, and healthy, the next day after vaccine  she woke up and fell on floor as she didn’t feel her legs, since then she is in so much pain, and laying down weak everyday, before the 1st vaccine she was walking every where, as her daughters live 1 around the corner and one on top of the street, she is a very dedicated church server and has been for 50 years, I’m very sad that her sons thought it was fine to let her get vaccine,
Joanne Tanner I just spent 12 days in the hospital not dying after not getting it. But I can’t say the same for the ridiculously high number of people who didn’t make it who were jabbed!
Beth Shapiro I had 3 different clients in the past 2 weeks tell me of 3 people (relatives or friends) who suddenly died. All had been vaccinated. Perfectly healthy before getting it. My friend who was only 42 died suddenly 3 months after having a baby. She had gotten the vax a few months before. This is insanity!!!
Yvonne Walker My uncle died 3 months after the jab. He got sick immediately and continued to get worse until he died. He couldn’t breathe
后面无数, 大家自己看看吧
daveyhorl99
我在next door上看到的,有人发帖问要不要打,下面有一个人回自己的一个亲戚,得了3次,然后永久lost taste。真的有这样的后果也是挺可怕的。
hubaobao80
这个……就算这妈妈打了疫苗,以现在Delta的彪悍程度,还是有相当可能传给孩子的;四岁小孩横竖没有疫苗可以打,感染上之后还是会死啊。而且她有未婚夫,说明她是个单亲妈妈,在家要严格和孩子隔离也不现实。只能说小孩命不好,从出现症状到死亡才5小时,太可怕了。
coalpilerd 发表于 2021-09-14 10:12

我们大人现在能做的就是打上疫苗,多注意防护,尽量减缓病毒传播。以后这样的悲剧才更少。虽然说这家孩子得确是运气不好,但说实话这种anti-vax的人可以想象到他们平时对待病毒的态度,他们对病毒的防护。他们作为家长是不是有责任只有自己知道。这个妈妈也说了,后悔没打疫苗。
落地无声
啥呀,自然抗体最近被证明比疫苗强不少
vitd120 发表于 2021-09-14 17:54

我有个闺蜜得了2次,疫情刚开始,和去年冬天。 第二次比第一次严重。 今年4月可以打疫苗时就赶紧去打了。
s
star1991
一个地方新闻台贴了个Facebook 帖子, 让大家分享没打疫苗的人死掉的故事, 看看大家分享的东西吧
Some local news station put up a Facebook post asking people to share their stories of unvaccinated loved ones who died. 
The response they got is NOT what they were expecting I bet! This is pretty incredible. 
this is the link: https://www.facebook.com/110047718058030/posts/117910867271715/?d=n
Asiya Ali Great to hear the truth coming out. My friend took the depop and got shingles. I told her to report it. To this day I don’t think she ever did.
Michelle PG This is scary. I lost a friend of covid. She was vaccinated two months before contracting the virus and ended up dying from the virus.
Sherri Goldman Kim Don’t know anyone that died of Covid. However after being fully vaccinated , know 2 people that needed open heart surgery, 1 man put on a heart monitor 1 man developed Leukemia, and 1 man that developed and died from lymph node cancer. All of these people are in their 70’s and the one that died was 80. We can’t trust our Media and our Doctors are killing us. Is there a vaccine for this, which is the real pandemic.
Mary Hannah Mouawad Recently my mother inlaw at the age of 88, was still in good mind, and healthy, the next day after vaccine  she woke up and fell on floor as she didn’t feel her legs, since then she is in so much pain, and laying down weak everyday, before the 1st vaccine she was walking every where, as her daughters live 1 around the corner and one on top of the street, she is a very dedicated church server and has been for 50 years, I’m very sad that her sons thought it was fine to let her get vaccine,
Joanne Tanner I just spent 12 days in the hospital not dying after not getting it. But I can’t say the same for the ridiculously high number of people who didn’t make it who were jabbed!
Beth Shapiro I had 3 different clients in the past 2 weeks tell me of 3 people (relatives or friends) who suddenly died. All had been vaccinated. Perfectly healthy before getting it. My friend who was only 42 died suddenly 3 months after having a baby. She had gotten the vax a few months before. This is insanity!!!
Yvonne Walker My uncle died 3 months after the jab. He got sick immediately and continued to get worse until he died. He couldn’t breathe
后面无数, 大家自己看看吧

springday 发表于 2021-09-14 18:56

这个看着挺可怕的?希望重视副作用,改进一下疫苗
dailymail
一个地方新闻台贴了个Facebook 帖子, 让大家分享没打疫苗的人死掉的故事, 看看大家分享的东西吧
Some local news station put up a Facebook post asking people to share their stories of unvaccinated loved ones who died. 
The response they got is NOT what they were expecting I bet! This is pretty incredible. 
this is the link: https://www.facebook.com/110047718058030/posts/117910867271715/?d=n
Asiya Ali Great to hear the truth coming out. My friend took the depop and got shingles. I told her to report it. To this day I don’t think she ever did.
Michelle PG This is scary. I lost a friend of covid. She was vaccinated two months before contracting the virus and ended up dying from the virus.
Sherri Goldman Kim Don’t know anyone that died of Covid. However after being fully vaccinated , know 2 people that needed open heart surgery, 1 man put on a heart monitor 1 man developed Leukemia, and 1 man that developed and died from lymph node cancer. All of these people are in their 70’s and the one that died was 80. We can’t trust our Media and our Doctors are killing us. Is there a vaccine for this, which is the real pandemic.
Mary Hannah Mouawad Recently my mother inlaw at the age of 88, was still in good mind, and healthy, the next day after vaccine  she woke up and fell on floor as she didn’t feel her legs, since then she is in so much pain, and laying down weak everyday, before the 1st vaccine she was walking every where, as her daughters live 1 around the corner and one on top of the street, she is a very dedicated church server and has been for 50 years, I’m very sad that her sons thought it was fine to let her get vaccine,
Joanne Tanner I just spent 12 days in the hospital not dying after not getting it. But I can’t say the same for the ridiculously high number of people who didn’t make it who were jabbed!
Beth Shapiro I had 3 different clients in the past 2 weeks tell me of 3 people (relatives or friends) who suddenly died. All had been vaccinated. Perfectly healthy before getting it. My friend who was only 42 died suddenly 3 months after having a baby. She had gotten the vax a few months before. This is insanity!!!
Yvonne Walker My uncle died 3 months after the jab. He got sick immediately and continued to get worse until he died. He couldn’t breathe
后面无数, 大家自己看看吧

springday 发表于 2021-09-14 18:56

Shocking. 媒体不要整天为疫苗造势了,药厂好好研究一下这些副作用吧。整天这样只会让人更失去信心。
s
springday
这个看着挺可怕的?希望重视副作用,改进一下疫苗
star1991 发表于 2021-09-14 19:14

这是能改进的吗, 全新技术的疫苗,几个月的时间,几大公司研发的疫苗都成功了, 可能吗
s
softness
这个看着挺可怕的?希望重视副作用,改进一下疫苗
star1991 发表于 2021-09-14 19:14

你是。。。。看不懂中文还是英文。。。
vitd120
我有个闺蜜得了2次,疫情刚开始,和去年冬天。 第二次比第一次严重。 今年4月可以打疫苗时就赶紧去打了。
落地无声 发表于 2021-09-14 19:04

breakthrough嘛两者都有的。两相比较的话就有区别
c
cactus_mei
回复 143楼springday的帖子
你竟然相信Facebook上面陌生人的帖子?不相信自己的医生和护士?
g
gatobarb
麻州上周突破确诊3919,住院61,死亡32. 上周总死亡64,总确诊1万多。
n
nobody2
不要这么恶毒,暗示她孩子的死是她造成的。就算打了疫苗也会传染。这是一个悲剧,不能全怪妈妈。
a
arcueid
一个地方新闻台贴了个Facebook 帖子, 让大家分享没打疫苗的人死掉的故事, 看看大家分享的东西吧
Some local news station put up a Facebook post asking people to share their stories of unvaccinated loved ones who died. 
The response they got is NOT what they were expecting I bet! This is pretty incredible. 
this is the link: https://www.facebook.com/110047718058030/posts/117910867271715/?d=n
Asiya Ali Great to hear the truth coming out. My friend took the depop and got shingles. I told her to report it. To this day I don’t think she ever did.
Michelle PG This is scary. I lost a friend of covid. She was vaccinated two months before contracting the virus and ended up dying from the virus.
Sherri Goldman Kim Don’t know anyone that died of Covid. However after being fully vaccinated , know 2 people that needed open heart surgery, 1 man put on a heart monitor 1 man developed Leukemia, and 1 man that developed and died from lymph node cancer. All of these people are in their 70’s and the one that died was 80. We can’t trust our Media and our Doctors are killing us. Is there a vaccine for this, which is the real pandemic.
Mary Hannah Mouawad Recently my mother inlaw at the age of 88, was still in good mind, and healthy, the next day after vaccine  she woke up and fell on floor as she didn’t feel her legs, since then she is in so much pain, and laying down weak everyday, before the 1st vaccine she was walking every where, as her daughters live 1 around the corner and one on top of the street, she is a very dedicated church server and has been for 50 years, I’m very sad that her sons thought it was fine to let her get vaccine,
Joanne Tanner I just spent 12 days in the hospital not dying after not getting it. But I can’t say the same for the ridiculously high number of people who didn’t make it who were jabbed!
Beth Shapiro I had 3 different clients in the past 2 weeks tell me of 3 people (relatives or friends) who suddenly died. All had been vaccinated. Perfectly healthy before getting it. My friend who was only 42 died suddenly 3 months after having a baby. She had gotten the vax a few months before. This is insanity!!!
Yvonne Walker My uncle died 3 months after the jab. He got sick immediately and continued to get worse until he died. He couldn’t breathe
后面无数, 大家自己看看吧

springday 发表于 2021-09-14 18:56

這個我也看了,大型翻車現場。 無數親人朋友打了疫苗後心髒病,中風,得covid的人留言,真正沒打疫苗得病死的幾乎沒有。
c
chocomousse
阴谋论的想 她都要再婚了 不打疫苗保护孩子是不是也想少养一个是一个
Purple_car
回复 155楼arcueid的帖子
一个rapper贴说她cousin不打疫苗,因为她cousin的一个朋友打疫苗以后那方面不行了。福奇说没有任何证据表明疫苗会影响fertility。这个只是个例。
屏蔽大法
毛病。有明确来源的新闻和医生护士的说法就要质疑来质疑去的,用放大镜来找不可信的地方,各种阴谋论;网站上不知什么人随口一说我朋友我邻居我二大爷的故事就深信不疑,必须是真的。这种人叫自己independent thinker?应该叫dependent believer才对。
s
springday
回复 143楼springday的帖子
你竟然相信Facebook上面陌生人的帖子?不相信自己的医生和护士?
cactus_mei 发表于 2021-09-14 20:54

我更相信那些因为不愿意打疫苗被迫离职的医生和护士。 况且新闻里那些乱七八遭众口一词没打疫苗病死的故事你就相信了 ?那是你亲眼见到的吗, 有没有打个电话问问
humminggarden
回复 91楼落地无声的帖子
抗体没有疫苗有用的。知道有一人四月份得了,在家挺了一周。八月份又得了,这一次就没那么幸运了。在icu治了一周多才出院。
Lvhiking 发表于 2021-09-14 16:55

难道是ADE了?
x
xiaoxiongxiaojie
脸书这帖子就由着来不给封啊?
a
arcueid
回复 155楼arcueid的帖子
一个rapper贴说她cousin不打疫苗,因为她cousin的一个朋友打疫苗以后那方面不行了。福奇说没有任何证据表明疫苗会影响fertility。这个只是个例。
Purple_car 发表于 2021-09-14 23:43

huaren上就有n多打了之後月經不准的。
這個胡說八道的老頭死後去的地方一定比地獄糟一萬倍。
zorrozhang
不是我冷漠。这些不打疫苗的大人趁早快死,死掉了就把ICU位子给空出来让给其它重症的人。
dailymail
不是我冷漠。这些不打疫苗的大人趁早快死,死掉了就把ICU位子给空出来让给其它重症的人。
zorrozhang 发表于 2021-09-15 02:05

你这不是冷漠 是恶毒吧
不娶何撩
毛病。有明确来源的新闻和医生护士的说法就要质疑来质疑去的,用放大镜来找不可信的地方,各种阴谋论;网站上不知什么人随口一说我朋友我邻居我二大爷的故事就深信不疑,必须是真的。这种人叫自己independent thinker?应该叫dependent believer才对。
屏蔽大法 发表于 2021-09-14 23:52

逻辑上不是这样的。
护士医生说的和这些人说的都是data points
无非是不同的人给不同的说法的weight 不一样。
有人认为只能听医生说的。 网上说的都是谣言。
有的人认为医生不一定能在病人目前说真话,因为要承受法律责任,比如医院开除了很多有不同观点的医生和护士。 在到处pc的情况下,也许只有匿名的网上言论稍微可信。
你看阴谋论跟pc是相生相克的,如果没有pc,阴谋论也没有市场。 阴谋阴谋,没有阳光得地方才会有阴谋。
所以现在各个平台大肆屏蔽删帖,其实是更加助长了阴谋论。

c
chloemama
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10158207967261135&id=80221381134
这些能够证明,疫苗到底打死了多少人! 还有,记住,这些只是其中的一小部分,而且,是不到一年的时间。
这些说为了保护自己孩子而打疫苗,然后谴责没有打疫苗的人,自己看看吧,下面有人告诉你,想用疫苗防止传染就是一个笑话的!还有,谁是超级感染者,英文圈早就有结论,自己找
Linsonloud
这些反疫苗的就是脑残,其实他们犯的罪是反人类罪。由于他们的任性,让更多的人死去。在美国,这种脑残太多,人类的悲哀啊。有些州长和议员就都是帮凶,天天鼓吹疫苗自由接种。那个得州州长居然没死,太没有天理了。看来他用的那个药确实有用。
巴黎provence
这些反疫苗的就是脑残,其实他们犯的罪是反人类罪。由于他们的任性,让更多的人死去。在美国,这种脑残太多,人类的悲哀啊。有些州长和议员就都是帮凶,天天鼓吹疫苗自由接种。那个得州州长居然没死,太没有天理了。看来他用的那个药确实有用。
Linsonloud 发表于 2021-09-15 06:04

可是这个楼里,只有包括你在内的疫苗吹人士,表现出了对真实数据的无知,不屑,束手无策,甚至恶毒。
d
dotmm
huaren上就有n多打了之後月經不准的。
這個胡說八道的老頭死後去的地方一定比地獄糟一萬倍。
arcueid 发表于 2021-09-15 01:17

福奇这个老不死的成天在电视上推销疫苗,卖弄他的科学理论!我看youtube的留言都是骂他的,都在问福奇这个老畜生什么时候进监狱!同意监狱是不够的!
心跳的希望
你这不是冷漠 是恶毒吧

dailymail 发表于 2021-09-15 02:40

身体健康还选择不打疫苗的人,然后去霸占icu的位置就不恶毒吗?

兔子过敏
可是这个楼里,只有包括你在内的疫苗吹人士,表现出了对真实数据的无知,不屑,束手无策,甚至恶毒。
继续被只言片语的猪妹喂饭吧
巴黎provence 发表于 2021-09-15 07:04

反疫苗斗士的特点是,你跟他说新冠死人,他说:不就才百分之一百分之二么?有什么了不起?
但一提疫苗,立刻不提统计了,而是拿出脸书微博上未经证实的个例吓唬人。
更有严重的到了阴谋论那种程度的,说什么现在数据都是假的,疫苗死的都算成了新冠死的。总之就是全世界科学家医生联合起来算计他们。
巴黎provence
反疫苗斗士的特点是,你跟他说新冠死人,他说:不就才百分之一百分之二么?有什么了不起?
但一提疫苗,立刻不提统计了,而是拿出脸书微博上未经证实的个例吓唬人。
更有严重的到了阴谋论那种程度的,说什么现在数据都是假的,疫苗死的都算成了新冠死的。总之就是全世界科学家医生联合起来算计他们。
兔子过敏 发表于 2021-09-15 09:31

LOL 你说的这些恰恰是当下疫苗吹的行为模式
说到breakthrough就说疫苗防重症,说到打疫苗后病亡就说疫苗不是长生不老药
说到官方数据就说人英国卫生局在造谣,要么就两眼一抹黑认为人家的数据是这么这么misleadingly算出来的,完全不看真实报告。
然后一群疫苗吹脑残跟着点赞,几个更无良知的跟着诅咒。
继续自嗨吧
Purple_car
回复 172楼巴黎provence的帖子
刚看到这个帖子一惊,以后会给6个月大婴儿打?看来疫情是不每个人都打上不会停了
https://m.huaren.us/showtopic.html?topicid=2728368
公用马甲6
前两天看到有反疫苗反口罩人士说医院明明知道兽药有用,就是不给病人用,是因为医院每收一个新冠住院的政府给1万六,每死一个政府给4万。如果给了兽药,就没人住院没人死,医院就没钱拿。一堆人还号召大家得了新冠千万不要去医院,赶紧在家吃兽药。
我在想,这些人要么是超级脑残,要么是打疫苗戴口罩的人看不惯脑残党占据医疗资源,出来捣乱的吧。
alessa 发表于 2021-09-14 10:47

希望他们言出必行,别去医院占地方,现在普通急症病人icu都没得用了
a
arcueid
那些希望不打疫苗不要去佔用ICU的人,大可不必操心。到了現在還堅持不打疫苗的,早就各種準備都做好了。不會搞到重症才去醫院的。而且呼吸機這東西,對還有自主呼吸的人簡直就是殺人利器,業內人肯定懂我在說什麼。
中藥備清肺排毒湯,武漢用的那個,不是藥丸。南京疫情確診包括重症幾百人全部康復出院,都是靠的中醫。
西藥備伊維菌素(人用)。 要問怎麼搞到,網上一搜到處都是。
Linsonloud
回复 168楼巴黎provence的帖子
我就想问你打了疫苗没有。我想你肯定打了疫苗。你这种人也是社会的败类。
lehehe123
回复 172楼巴黎provence的帖子
刚看到这个帖子一惊,以后会给6个月大婴儿打?看来疫情是不每个人都打上不会停了
https://m.huaren.us/showtopic.html?topicid=2728368

Purple_car 发表于 2021-09-15 10:29

药厂肯定什么人群都会试验,家长们可自行斟酌要不要给自己孩子打。批准归批准,强制归强制。只要不强制,我觉得没问题。
lehehe123
希望他们言出必行,别去医院占地方,现在普通急症病人icu都没得用了
公用马甲6 发表于 2021-09-15 11:08

你这个说法就很不合理啊。照你的说法来推论一下:吸烟会得肺癌,那吸烟得肺癌的人就是自找的了,那就要自生自灭,别浪费医疗资源;你好吃,吃得过胖,导致高血压冠心病,心脏病突发要死了,那是你自己的问题,谁叫你吃那么多,那也自生自灭好了,别去浪费医疗资源。(而且心血管疾病死亡人数可是很多的,比新冠还多)。 而且如果别人买了医疗保险,为什么不能去?假设这么一种情况,突然有一天你觉得胃疼,你去医院,一问没打疫苗,医院说你去死吧,我不收。
巴黎provence
回复 168楼巴黎provence的帖子
我就想问你打了疫苗没有。我想你肯定打了疫苗。你这种人也是社会的败类。
Linsonloud 发表于 2021-09-15 13:56

我揭示疫苗本质的时候你还不知在哪玩泥巴呢
https://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.html?topicid=2700818
lehehe123
看看这个新闻,这个老太太打了疫苗,然后得了新冠死了,媒体还要怪是不打疫苗的人传染给她的。简直不可理喻。难道不是怪疫苗不够有效吗? https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/15/us/illinois-family-vaccine-obit/index.html
Purple_car
回复 177楼lehehe123的帖子
以前都觉得不会强制大人,现在呢 谁知道以后会不会强制小孩
dailymail
回复 181楼Purple_car的帖子
看这媒体铺天盖地报道都是不打疫苗得新冠死了的 还怪不打疫苗的 之前是大人然后是孩子 这么发展 真是有点怕啊
dailymail
身体健康还选择不打疫苗的人,然后去霸占icu的位置就不恶毒吗?


心跳的希望 发表于 2021-09-15 08:36

恶毒的人总是诅咒别人赶快死
Purple_car
回复 182楼dailymail的帖子
是挺可怕的 福奇和白等都玩命的推
rainbooww
问题是 her mom is a staunch anti-vaxxer


mouthful 发表于 2021-09-14 10:19

只想说这个妈妈真是作死。 想知道这些反疫苗的人后来都怎样了。是不是悔不当初呢。这下该变成积极分子,动员其他反疫苗成员了吧。
t
tq0ax1r
回复 8楼liucoan的帖子
哪个城市?
fun2013
RIP