我该信你还是founding fathters？ John Adams： "The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion." Benjamin Franklin: “[T]he number, the industry, and the morality of the Priesthood, & the devotion of the people have been manifestly increased by the total separation of the Church from the State.” Alexander Hamilton: “n politics as in religion, it is equally absurd to aim at making proselytes by fire and sword. Heresies in either can rarely be cured by persecution.” Thomas Jefferson: “The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.” Thomas Paine: “All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.” George Washington: “We have abundant reason to rejoice, that, in this land, the light of truth and reason has triumphed over the power of bigotry and superstition, and that every person may here worship God according to the dictates of his own heart.”
看来还要贴一次 系统提示：若遇到视频无法播放请点击下方链接 https://www.youtube.com/embed/WFYRkzznsc0 还有 Today it is well settled that the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution denies the government any authority to coerce a person into performing a religious act, including swearing oaths on a bible.4 To that end, the federal court system and most state court systems have established rules explicitly providing for witnesses to give either an oath, whether on a bible or other religious scripture, or an affirmation.5 If you should find yourself in a position to “swear or affirm,” whether as a witness, as a jury member, or as a requirement of accepting government employment, let the official administering the oath know in advance that you wish to give an affirmation, rather than swear an oath. If you’re a witness, this may mean letting the attorney who intends to call you to the stand know to inform the deputy of your preference. If being sworn in for a jury, or attesting to the accuracy of a document before a notary public, or as part of a government job, speak to the person administering the oath yourself. https://www.atheists.org/legal/faq/courts/
我该信你还是founding fathters？ John Adams： "The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion." Benjamin Franklin: “[T]he number, the industry, and the morality of the Priesthood, & the devotion of the people have been manifestly increased by the total separation of the Church from the State.” Alexander Hamilton: “n politics as in religion, it is equally absurd to aim at making proselytes by fire and sword. Heresies in either can rarely be cured by persecution.” Thomas Jefferson: “The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.” Thomas Paine: “All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.” George Washington: “We have abundant reason to rejoice, that, in this land, the light of truth and reason has triumphed over the power of bigotry and superstition, and that every person may here worship God according to the dictates of his own heart.” percipient64 发表于 2021-05-26 12:56
George Washington1st U.S. President "While we are zealously performing the duties of good citizens and soldiers, we certainly ought not to be inattentive to the higher duties of religion. To the distinguished character of Patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian. John Adams2nd U.S. President and Signer of the Declaration of Independence Now I will avow, that I then believe, and now believe, that those general Principles of Christianity, are as eternal and immutable, as the Existence and Attributes of God; and that those Principles of Liberty, are as unalterable as human Nature and our terrestrial, mundane System
Thomas Jefferson3rd U.S. President, Drafter and Signer of the Declaration of Independence "God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the Gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever
Benjamin FranklinSigner of the Declaration of Independence and Unites States Constitution "Here is my Creed. I believe in one God, the Creator of the Universe. That He governs it by His Providence. That He ought to be worshipped
George Washington1st U.S. President "While we are zealously performing the duties of good citizens and soldiers, we certainly ought not to be inattentive to the higher duties of religion. To the distinguished character of Patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian. John Adams2nd U.S. President and Signer of the Declaration of Independence Now I will avow, that I then believe, and now believe, that those general Principles of Christianity, are as eternal and immutable, as the Existence and Attributes of God; and that those Principles of Liberty, are as unalterable as human Nature and our terrestrial, mundane System
Thomas Jefferson3rd U.S. President, Drafter and Signer of the Declaration of Independence "God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the Gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever
Benjamin FranklinSigner of the Declaration of Independence and Unites States Constitution "Here is my Creed. I believe in one God, the Creator of the Universe. That He governs it by His Providence. That He ought to be worshipped hkmty 发表于 2021-05-26 13:14
不否认这些founding father是虔诚的基督徒，所以像Benjamin Franklin说 I believe in one God, the Creator of the Universe， John Adams 说 I will avow, that I then believe, and now believe, that those general Principles of Christianity。 这很正常。 但是基督徒建立国家不等于基督教建国。 如同我们的国父说的 “The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion“。 这还不清楚吗？ 大家一起复习一下宪法第一修正案： Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
不否认这些founding father是虔诚的基督徒，所以像Benjamin Franklin说 I believe in one God, the Creator of the Universe， John Adams 说 I will avow, that I then believe, and now believe, that those general Principles of Christianity。 这很正常。 但是基督徒建立国家不等于基督教建国。 如同我们的国父说的 “The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion“。 这还不清楚吗？ 大家一起复习一下宪法第一修正案： Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. surge 发表于 2021-05-26 13:26
不否认这些founding father是虔诚的基督徒，所以像Benjamin Franklin说 I believe in one God, the Creator of the Universe， John Adams 说 I will avow, that I then believe, and now believe, that those general Principles of Christianity。 这很正常。 但是基督徒建立国家不等于基督教建国。 如同我们的国父说的 “The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion“。 这还不清楚吗？ 大家一起复习一下宪法第一修正案： Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. surge 发表于 2021-05-26 13:26
不否认这些founding father是虔诚的基督徒，所以像Benjamin Franklin说 I believe in one God, the Creator of the Universe， John Adams 说 I will avow, that I then believe, and now believe, that those general Principles of Christianity。 这很正常。 但是基督徒建立国家不等于基督教建国。 如同我们的国父说的 “The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion“。 这还不清楚吗？ 大家一起复习一下宪法第一修正案： Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. surge 发表于 2021-05-26 13:26
正准备翻出constitution and the declaration of independence, 发现您帮我回啦。谢谢。
George Washington1st U.S. President "While we are zealously performing the duties of good citizens and soldiers, we certainly ought not to be inattentive to the higher duties of religion. To the distinguished character of Patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian. John Adams2nd U.S. President and Signer of the Declaration of Independence Now I will avow, that I then believe, and now believe, that those general Principles of Christianity, are as eternal and immutable, as the Existence and Attributes of God; and that those Principles of Liberty, are as unalterable as human Nature and our terrestrial, mundane System
Thomas Jefferson3rd U.S. President, Drafter and Signer of the Declaration of Independence "God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the Gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever
Benjamin FranklinSigner of the Declaration of Independence and Unites States Constitution "Here is my Creed. I believe in one God, the Creator of the Universe. That He governs it by His Providence. That He ought to be worshipped hkmty 发表于 2021-05-26 13:14
这个能证明什么？有人传教呗。 人家又不是说要在酒店放毛选。人家的意思是你用酒店房间里放圣经来证明美国是基督教国家如同有人用毛选证明中国必须是毛教国家一样 https://www.bestwesternsiestakey.com/why-do-hotels-have-bibles-in-them The Gideons International left the first Bible in a hotel room in Superior, Montana, after a group of traveling salesmen thought it would be a great way to bring peace and comfort to lonely travelers. Named for the Biblical figure, Gideon, depicted in Judges 6, who did exactly what God asked him to do without judging the plans or results, The Gideons International started with a few traveling salesmen and their desire to unite other traveling businessmen in the goal of evangelism. Since beginning their ministry in 1899, the Gideons have placed over 2 billion Bibles in hotel rooms and other venues.
你真的这么认为：包括上帝耶稣真主阿拉菩萨以及各个众神？要是这个上帝是真主，学校的食堂就得清真。
不知道你怎么得出这个结论的。美国宗教自由，国家层面不支持一个国教，所以这个God是广义的，可以是任何宗教的God， 不存在有人相信这个God是伊斯兰教的God学校食堂就得清真，因为这样就等于支持一个宗教而忽略其他宗教。
美国70，80年底的学校是不是都悬挂这个我存疑，但70-80年代悬挂来justify现在也应该悬挂，我无法认同。
类似的说法是中华人民共和国是共产党建的，不喜欢移民啊！
美国建国两百多年了！
我该信你还是founding fathters？
John Adams： "The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion." Benjamin Franklin: “[T]he number, the industry, and the morality of the Priesthood, & the devotion of the people have been manifestly increased by the total separation of the Church from the State.” Alexander Hamilton: “n politics as in religion, it is equally absurd to aim at making proselytes by fire and sword. Heresies in either can rarely be cured by persecution.” Thomas Jefferson: “The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.” Thomas Paine: “All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.” George Washington: “We have abundant reason to rejoice, that, in this land, the light of truth and reason has triumphed over the power of bigotry and superstition, and that every person may here worship God according to the dictates of his own heart.”
神棍退散。
21世纪了还想搞政教合一？
美国总统宣誓时，或法庭上宣誓时，都是用圣经而不是可兰经金刚经。。。
这个God是圣经里的God而不是其他
不是说80年代做过什么，现在就还要做
而是说，有些价值是永恒不变的，即使有时偏离，之后还会回归
真理是可以被时间检验的
看来还要贴一次
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https://www.youtube.com/embed/WFYRkzznsc0
还有 Today it is well settled that the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution denies the government any authority to coerce a person into performing a religious act, including swearing oaths on a bible.4 To that end, the federal court system and most state court systems have established rules explicitly providing for witnesses to give either an oath, whether on a bible or other religious scripture, or an affirmation.5 If you should find yourself in a position to “swear or affirm,” whether as a witness, as a jury member, or as a requirement of accepting government employment, let the official administering the oath know in advance that you wish to give an affirmation, rather than swear an oath. If you’re a witness, this may mean letting the attorney who intends to call you to the stand know to inform the deputy of your preference. If being sworn in for a jury, or attesting to the accuracy of a document before a notary public, or as part of a government job, speak to the person administering the oath yourself.
https://www.atheists.org/legal/faq/courts/
George Washington 1st U.S. President
"While we are zealously performing the duties of good citizens and soldiers, we certainly ought not to be inattentive to the higher duties of religion. To the distinguished character of Patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian.
John Adams 2nd U.S. President and Signer of the Declaration of Independence
Now I will avow, that I then believe, and now believe, that those general Principles of Christianity, are as eternal and immutable, as the Existence and Attributes of God; and that those Principles of Liberty, are as unalterable as human Nature and our terrestrial, mundane System
Thomas Jefferson 3rd U.S. President, Drafter and Signer of the Declaration of Independence "God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the Gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever
Benjamin Franklin Signer of the Declaration of Independence and Unites States Constitution "Here is my Creed. I believe in one God, the Creator of the Universe. That He governs it by His Providence. That He ought to be worshipped
世界上有多少酒店房间里有且只有一本书，圣经
你能找出第二本这么大影响的书么？
真理又不是一条规定就能改变的
不否认这些founding father是虔诚的基督徒，所以像Benjamin Franklin说 I believe in one God, the Creator of the Universe， John Adams 说 I will avow, that I then believe, and now believe, that those general Principles of Christianity。 这很正常。
但是基督徒建立国家不等于基督教建国。 如同我们的国父说的 “The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion“。 这还不清楚吗？
大家一起复习一下宪法第一修正案： Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
真会扯，这和文革中一人一本毛语录有何区别。白送硬推销。
是的，unite美国的是独立宣言和宪法，不是宗教，就算是宪法也是随着社会变迁一直revise的，选择性把几百年前的事来justify今天的社会，讲不通。
基督徒建立的国家并不要求民众一定要信仰基督教，因为这样才是真正的基督精神啊 ！
美国现在越来越偏离基督精神，也越来越堕落了
那个是教徒捐款有组织宣教用的，和大纪元到处泛滥一个性质，这和真理怎么挂钩的？
某些党派利用教派神棍，拉拢影响选民，还反科学，真的是越来越堕落！
科学和神学不是对立的，你自己去查查，多少大科学家是基督徒
正准备翻出constitution and the declaration of independence, 发现您帮我回啦。谢谢。
国父们说的神可不见得是沙漠三教的耶和华，他们很多是自然神论的说。
时间可以检验真理
你是最会颠倒黑白的
这我同意。
你白送硬推销毛选试试？？
有一个正经酒店要么 😂😂
如果贵教没有信我者得永生，不信者永远受折磨这一著名理论，你这话说服性可能会大些，有些人可能不懂神马叫宗教立国，具体可以参考中东，也可以参考黑暗时代，一神教的性质就注定了它是最不开明最狭隘排外的宗教。
历史上很多发动战争的事实杀人狂也是基督教徒，不能选择性选好的来评论。很多医生是基督教徒，不能否认很多普通人以宗教的理由反科学。
不聊了，理念不同说不通。
法庭宣誓可以不用宗教书籍，另外不是所有总统都是按着经书宣誓哒，我以为这些是基本常识。。。
眼界啊，为何局限于酒店啊？教会因该挨家挨户去派送。 你应当和酒店白送的瓶装水比，很多酒店还每个房间送2瓶呢，要不每个酒店房间放3本圣经辟邪？。 毛选当时国内每个家庭几乎都有哦，不知道是不是自己要掏钱买、还是单位街道买了送人的。听说毛收敛了很多版税。
这个能证明什么？有人传教呗。
人家又不是说要在酒店放毛选。人家的意思是你用酒店房间里放圣经来证明美国是基督教国家如同有人用毛选证明中国必须是毛教国家一样
https://www.bestwesternsiestakey.com/why-do-hotels-have-bibles-in-them
The Gideons International left the first Bible in a hotel room in Superior, Montana, after a group of traveling salesmen thought it would be a great way to bring peace and comfort to lonely travelers. Named for the Biblical figure, Gideon, depicted in Judges 6, who did exactly what God asked him to do without judging the plans or results, The Gideons International started with a few traveling salesmen and their desire to unite other traveling businessmen in the goal of evangelism. Since beginning their ministry in 1899, the Gideons have placed over 2 billion Bibles in hotel rooms and other venues.
你是最像教徒滴，有道理说道路，你肿么就剩论断了，你们的大师说过不要论断吧，这么不把耶稣放到眼里啊LOL
是啊，但是信的人多时间久就是真理是站不住脚的
我最后再回你一次，然后就此打住
上这个论坛以后我就对你有印象，因为你写过很多关于宗教的似是而非的评论，几乎我看过的每个跟宗教沾边的楼都有你的大论
你确实知道很多关于宗教的东西，跟什么都不懂只知道瞎喷的人不一样
但是你知道的，又是似是而非的，而且你好像是，恕我直言，用一种近乎仇恨地态度去解读
我不觉得你看懂了圣经，我也不想和你辩论，每个人有自己的心路历程，祝福你，虽然你会不屑
你的智商还真是。。。
我说酒店有圣经，你说这等同于文革时的毛选，是白送的
我于是问你，你白送毛选给酒店试试？有正经酒店会要吗？别说白送，你倒贴钱也不会有人要啊 😂
我以为我的意思足够明白了: 把毛选和圣经放一块比是多么可笑
不想你竟完全没看懂。。。。😂😂
看看送圣经去中国，佛教，伊斯兰国家，看看这些酒店都收下么？还谈智商，真越缺什么越炫耀什么。 https://www.travelandleisure.com/hotels-resorts/why-do-hotel-rooms-have-bibles
现在即便想白送给酒店，酒店也不想收了。
谢谢祝福，Joachim Kahl说过，不因为贵教而愤怒的人，不认识贵教
中国酒店也有的，奥运村酒店里更是全都有
佛教的日本也有的
你不但智商有问题，见识也少
至于某教的国家，国民连宗教自由都没有，没有圣经有什么奇怪
你连中文都不会看？“都”字不懂么？ 不是每家宾馆都对白送的圣经说yes的。 现在连一些美国的酒店也不要白送的圣经了。
基督徒也并不是完人啊
你说你不仇恨，却成年累月抓住同一个问题反反复复一遍遍重复几乎一模一样的话，经年累月，这样的行为真的不知道怎么解释了
那就是你的问题提的奇怪了
既然连基督教的美国的酒店都不是"都"接受圣经，那你还问什么中国佛教国伊斯兰国的酒店会不会"都"接受？！
中国酒店大概率没有，我曾经特意找过。
嗯，有也是以前了，现在的环境更不会有了
总统宣誓这个说法很无厘头， 宪法规定congress should make no law establish a religion， 总统宣誓， 拿不拿经典， 用什么经典都随便， 有人要用《金瓶梅》宣誓也是符合宪法的， 不仅是联邦政府这样， 州跟地方政府也是。
这个逻辑跟 对川粉说 “不喜欢拜登就滚回中共的怀抱一样”
"require some schools to hang 'In God We Trust' signs" 美元上已经有的，印的钱看不惯的确可以斯了
本来学校没有这个sign, 你非得强加，凭啥？
你这类比简直无中生有，不可理喻
神棍们真恶心
钞票上面确实有，但是现在还有几个人能看到美元现金的？都是银行账户上的数字而已吧。
我比较好奇的是你们是因为信才如此呢，还是因为如此才信
嗯，看来是认为人肉炸药比较高明？那都是些有虔诚宗教信仰滴。能让好人做出邪恶事情的认真只有信仰，共产主义也是个信仰，顺便说句LOL
您是把您党当行为规范啊？只要比坚定不移跟党走靠谱些，就是“挺好的”？
对“党“的感情可谓深沉