Nobody is denying someone can make 7 figure in a year in the bay area especially last year when nasdaq went up over 100% trough-and peak. What is questionable is claiming this is a norm even for folks outside bay area. The numbers are very misleading without considering the age and demographics
Nobody is denying someone can make 7 figure in a year in the bay area especially last year when nasdaq went up over 100% trough-and peak. What is questionable is claiming this is a norm even for folks outside bay area. The numbers are very misleading without considering the age and demographics yolandos 发表于 2021-05-01 18:50
You are mis-reading me. I am not saying you are making it up. I said it is not a norm. Big difference. One needs to be at the right place and right time and is willing to take actions. People should appreciate that you pointed out what is possible and people should appreciate that you came out telling us you have "been there done that" and you consider yourself as an ordinary person and so are your friends. Let's keep it at that.
You are mis-reading me. I am not saying you are making it up. I said it is not a norm. Big difference. One needs to be at the right place and right time and is willing to take actions. People should appreciate that you pointed out what is possible and people should appreciate that you came out telling us you have "been there done that" and you consider yourself as an ordinary person and so are your friends. Let's keep it at that. yolandos 发表于 2021-05-01 19:22
Not denying any of what you have done. Many people in 2017 probably didn''t seize the moment and follow your foot steps and many more probably followed the same footsteps and yet didn''t reach where you are. I am being realistic here. Your timing is important. I have seen this before and it was 1998. No one can tell the future and as far I can remeber, even with the bust of the bubble in 2000 those who went through it in bay area have been far better off than those without. We are living in extradiary times. To quote: “It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity。。。” Lets hope this lasts but at the back of my head, I still think it could be deja vu all over again. LZ pointed a road to the "not so norm" where one can make 7 figures without extradiary skills, all it takes is go through leetcode and get accepted into the new FANGs -- to spell it out. It is up to you to make happen. You will never get there if you don''t try. I think this is the positive message LZ conveyed.
NY tri-state area with equivalent pay scale as the bay area. 7 figure per individual is based on historic stock option returns which may or may not last (I was thinking about the boom right before 2000. The major difference I could sense was prior to 2000 it was investor''s money vs. now it is the fed''s money but hey money is money regardless. The good news is 2000 was even crazier than now as companies had no earnings. at least FANGs and their derivatives are raking in billions so Maybe this time it is different(TM) :-) If you take 紫荆蝴蝶''s long term comp and assume a typical 4 year vesting schedule, the snapshot of restricted shares/options were about 2900K/4=725K at annum which puts the base at around 300K minimum. And one likely needs 10+ year prior experience (iheartnyc had at least 14 years experience). As far as friends with similar 7 figure incomes,I initially thought maybe it was due to one friend convincing another to follow the same steps but it could also be they became friends due to similar jobs, aka 物以类聚.
NY tri-state area with equivalent pay scale as the bay area. 7 figure per individual is based on historic stock option returns which may or may not last (I was thinking about the boom right before 2000. The major difference I could sense was prior to 2000 it was investor''s money vs. now it is the fed''s money but hey money is money regardless. The good news is 2000 was even crazier than now as companies had no earnings. at least FANGs and their derivatives are raking in billions so Maybe this time it is different(TM) :-) If you take 紫荆蝴蝶''s long term comp and assume a typical 4 year vesting schedule, the snapshot of restricted shares/options were about 2900K/4=725K at annum which puts the base at around 300K minimum. And one likely needs 10+ year prior experience (iheartnyc had at least 14 years experience). As far as friends with similar 7 figure incomes,I initially thought maybe it was due to one friend convincing another to follow the same steps but it could also be they became friends due to similar jobs, aka 物以类聚.
回头看看,就是做梦一样的经历,一切的起点,都来源于跟朋友吃的一顿饭,因为得到了以前没有的信息,所以确立了努力的方向,回报随之而来。所以大家应该珍惜愿意分享的人,老一辈的人有什么好事都自己捂着,我从来没有见过tech这么透明的行业,收入,工作内容,面试题目统统公开,然而即使这样,像我这个行内人竟然也是几年前才知道,可想而知还有多少人不知道的。我自己跳槽成功之后,我周围的朋友有样学样,至少有五六个跳槽成功,这就是榜样作用。
每次有人分享类似信息,总会有很多大妈冷嘲热讽,说你们的高薪是暂时的干不长,说码农都钻到钱眼里就知道钱,说你们都是来炫耀的。其实哪怕是炫耀也能帮很多人。一亩三分地的那个帖子说的就很好,从来没有想过自己能挣那么多钱,以为都是属于精英的,结果哪天突然发现跟自己背景差不多的人居然也能做到,那自然变得信心百倍也会去试,然后就发现也能做到。
补充:昨天睡了一觉醒来发现还是有很多人明白信息的重要性,很受鼓舞,谢谢你们。懂得感恩的人都会走的远。那种别人上来分享信息,第一反应是你在炫耀,第二反应是你即然这么好心干嘛不把所有人都招去。这样的人在生活中。。。我看到应该会躲着走吧。
我同时也想到一件很有意思的事,美国IT从业人员几百万。FAANG的Engineer 雇员加起来也就十几万,占了总人数的5% 而已。按照有些人的说法,能去FAANG,那是exception,不是norm。那是为什么会有一种错觉,就是我在大厂,我的朋友也全在大厂?我仔细想了想,其实就是信息的作用,和榜样的力量。回想四年前,我和我的码农朋友都在银行药厂传统行业做IT,拿十几万的薪水,觉得就是码农收入的天花板了,对现状非常满意。那时候我们以为打工族能赚到50万,肯定都是banker,大律师的合伙人,等等我们只能仰望的人士。我们的目标就是做manager,收入达到20万,六位数的薪水,而且开头的数字是2,基本上就是lifetime career goal了。直到我跟Google的闺蜜聊天才知道原来她们收入那么高,以前我们虽然无话不说,但是从来没有聊过收入,我也一直以为她们跟我们差不多。于是我开始跳槽,成功之后带动周围的码农朋友也跳槽,三年之后,回头一看,6个朋友全在FAANG或者同档次的公司。我们的水平参差不齐,最后都能成功,无非就是因为我们有了很清楚的努力的方向而已。
看到天凉好秋大妈在各个楼里说怪话,我也理解了为什么分享这样的信息总会被喷。你想像她那样一个人到中年一事无成只能靠买老鼠会保险希望发财的人,看到别人有可能发财的机会,恐怕要嫉妒的发狂吧,肯定要想各种办法抹黑,结论就是我干不了,你也别想干。
股票截图删了,被同事看到了,发message来恭喜我,有点不好意思。
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这个倒未必是什么大妈酸的缘故, 因为最近几年各种自媒体社交软件的兴起, 很多传统论坛都被年轻人冷落了 ,大妈们年纪属于比较大的 ,还守在老地方也是正常
所以我说LZ要么是很幸运 ,要么是能力强, 要是LZ这个收入是normal 收入, 那网上一大堆抱怨湾区物价房价高节奏快压力的人是哪来的呢 ,而且也不止是老中抱怨, 老美老印也抱怨
珍惜生命 远离某些slave driving culture
🛋️ 沙发板凳
泡沫不泡沫不知道,以前听说麦肯锡的员工是人均创造价值最高的,所以收入也是极高的,人均收入70万。但是现在互联网公司的员工人均创造利润已经吊打这些精英投行咨询了,人均收入却还没有达到,只能说潜力还很多。
看你们的帖子确实让人感觉转码值得一试。 请问能分享一下转码的途径吗? 或者去哪里找这种途径信息? 多谢
我本来就是码农所以容易一点,如果你想转码,如果年轻的话,我觉得最好是应该读个master,比如online的 CS master,很多学校都有,系统学一下。如果你实在不想读书,可以去一亩三分地买个账号,看看别人转码的经验,找个自己觉得合适的跟着做就行了。跟着别人的经验做,可以少踩很多坑。刷题的网站是leetcode。一亩三分地还有面经,你可以熟悉一下面试的流程和问的问题。美国的码农整体是供不应求,只要有绿卡,没有不成功的。Good luck!
请问这个20,30万 是基本工资还是 total compensation?
说得挺好不过每周工作30小时年入7位数有点不切实际。
即使码农也是一分耕耘一分收获。
码农薪水这个泡沫的说法,要放在历史的尺度上来说。。。
就像 2000年的投行,咨询业, 2005年的EE电路硅工, 2010年之前的油工油服。。。 那说起来收入, 睥睨众生 买起豆浆来,都是喝一碗,倒一碗, 哈哈
码农收入高涨,其实是股票部分,也就2015左右开始的? 2015年前mountain view 还没涨起来,East Palo Alto 还是大家连停车加油都不敢去的地方,现在FB 搬去了,一下子周围烈火烹油,鲜花着锦的好日子
所以还是要把心态放好,几年以后,说不定就是你的行业咯 :)
嗯 现在能理解码农说医生性价比低了。。
那是因为国内对马农压榨得厉害,就看你怎么想了。大妈,码农工资低了,你自己的工资也高不起来,这种损人不利己的想法,真是low
What is questionable is claiming this is a norm even for folks outside bay area. The numbers are very misleading without considering the age and demographics
马克,谢谢分享!
有的人看到跟自己背景差不多的人发财会想,她行我也行,转身就干起来。
有的人则会大喊,她胡扯的,她瞎编的,干不长的。
只能说人穷都是有道理的。
我的经历怎么跟她像了?我14年就在大厂了。
这是 Total Compensation. L6 L7 都没有 35W base (有的欢迎打脸 ^_^)
对的对的,过几年就要饭了,还希望到时候施舍啊
senior一般是称呼E5的,社招怎么都是45万起,内部晋升就差的多了,如果赶上股票涨的多,7,80万的我都见过。E4可能是30几万,一般是新毕业生一到三年内升到。总收入因为受股票的影响波动太大,但是随着时间的大趋势总是不断变高的。
你说的太精辟了,我就没有办法一句话说的这么清楚。
等到分享信息的都被骂跑了,剩下的大家又可以在自己dead end job里混日子了。
太对了。就是这样的。而且不幸的是好像大部分人都是后者。
大厂每年招几万人,除了大厂还有中厂小厂也招几万人,工资都很高。这些人里至少有1/3是中国人,为什么没有机会?一亩三分地哭诉的人多是因为他们都没有绿卡。从我自己和身边有绿卡的朋友的经验看,只要开始刷题持之以恒的,最差也在两年之内去了LinkedIn。
谢谢! 这个系列可看出楼主确实是很诚恳的在分享
怎么每年这么大的需求?
我从没读过CS 学校也只是排名100+ 当初就是刷题硬转 各种时机把握并不算好 不少公司看简历直接拒了 但几年下来 还是有一定进展 现在至少有贫困线一半以上
机会大于能力 选择大于努力 信息是无价的 靠比特币或者早期创业公司财富自由的 就不用说了
You are mis-reading me. I am not saying you are making it up.
I said it is not a norm. Big difference.
One needs to be at the right place and right time and is willing to take actions. People should appreciate that you pointed out what is possible and people should appreciate that you came out telling us you have "been there done that" and you consider yourself as an ordinary person and so are your friends.
Let's keep it at that.
在普通人群里当然不是norm,但是我们努力的目的不就是让自己远远超过norm吗?甚至在码农里都不是norm,用我自己举例子,我作为一个码农,竟然直到2017年才知道这回事。然后我立刻刷题申请,很快就变成了这“非norm”的一员。难道我现在比以前多赚那么多,是因为能力提高了N倍?根本不是,仅仅是因为我知道了这个信息,从来选择了一个以前不知道的努力方向而已。绝大多数人过的好不好,跟她的能力一点关系都没有,完全取决于他在哪个平台,只不过绝大多数人不知道有这样的平台,自然也就无从努力。
mm你很厉害。我记得隔壁楼主也说是一个‘野鸡学校’毕业的,tech这点最好了,英雄不问出身。
Not denying any of what you have done.
Many people in 2017 probably didn''t seize the moment and follow your foot steps and many more probably followed the same footsteps and yet didn''t reach where you are. I am being realistic here.
Your timing is important. I have seen this before and it was 1998. No one can tell the future and as far I can remeber, even with the bust of the bubble in 2000 those who went through it in bay area have been far better off than those without.
We are living in extradiary times. To quote:
“It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity。。。”
Lets hope this lasts but at the back of my head, I still think it could be deja vu all over again.
LZ pointed a road to the "not so norm" where one can make 7 figures without extradiary skills, all it takes is go through leetcode and get accepted into the new FANGs -- to spell it out. It is up to you to make happen. You will never get there if you don''t try. I think this is the positive message LZ conveyed.
但是买个一亩三分地账号就不必了,一亩三分地的积分可以每天答题积分的。个人很反感一亩三分地把别人无偿分享的信息卖高价的行为。
我同意你的看法,一亩三分地的站长确实很猥琐。但是我习惯花钱买方便了。而且后来也不能每天答题了吧?我的账号过期之后,因为不急着用,想试着每天答个题攒米,结果发现必须连微信。我不想让他连我的微信,就放弃了。
无奈没绿卡,跳槽要重办,感觉这些年错过了几百万刀……
有人说我给某地做广告,另外那个大姐让大家去看那地也被说了一样的话。我想了想,可能是我跳槽的过程太依赖那里的面经了,所以需要的时候去那里简直就成了本能。不瞒你说,跳到现在的公司,面试和negotiate offer都是照着那里的信息来的。对我来说,在两眼一抹黑的时候有个地方能把所有的信息都准备好,还经常更新,不知道省了多少弯路。blind上天天有人在问怎么才能进到那个Chinese interview prep site。当然很多人对那个站长有意见也是事实。anyway,不乐意去看的我也理解,对于我自己来说,如果要跳槽,我必然还是要去看的,这就跟考GRE之前看最新真题差不多了。
特别赞同。 我反正 是看不上那些自己不上进还见不得别人好的人。
可是会来事的话 去卖房会不会更合适呢
没学编程的人就是穷?你没见过有钱人吧
呵呵,别人都是阴暗,您是洒圣水的观世音。
码code目前确实是来钱快 大家且行且珍惜吧 谁知道有多少持续力呢
在国外有时候真的很孤独,谢谢世界上的每一份善意。
我也一直好奇湾区有什么被嘲笑的点?中国人太多?中餐正宗?工作机会太多?工资太高?房子值钱?老实说我家要是双码公早就飞奔去湾区发展(淘金)了。“可惜”我跟我老公在本专业做的还可以,所以实在没啥理由转行……
昨天睡了一觉醒来发现还是有很多人明白信息的重要性,很受鼓舞,谢谢你们。懂得感恩的人都会走的远。那种别人上来分享信息,第一反应是你在炫耀,第二反应是你即然这么好心干嘛不把所有人都招去。这样的人在生活中。。。我看到应该会躲着走吧。
我同时也想到一件很有意思的事,美国IT从业人员几百万。FAANG的Engineer 雇员加起来也就十几万,占了总人数的5% 而已。按照有些人的说法,能去FAANG,那是exception,不是norm。那是为什么会有一种错觉,就是我在大厂,我的朋友也全在大厂?我仔细想了想,其实就是信息的作用,和榜样的力量。回想四年前,我和我的码农朋友都在银行药厂传统行业做IT,拿十几万的薪水,觉得就是码农收入的天花板了,对现状非常满意。那时候我们以为打工族能赚到50万,肯定都是banker,大律师的合伙人,等等我们只能仰望的人士。我们的目标就是做manager,收入达到20万,六位数的薪水,而且开头的数字是2,基本上就是lifetime career goal了。直到我跟Google的闺蜜聊天才知道原来她们收入那么高,以前我们虽然无话不说,但是从来没有聊过收入,我也一直以为她们跟我们差不多。于是我开始跳槽,成功之后带动周围的码农朋友也跳槽,三年之后,回头一看,6个朋友全在FAANG或者同档次的公司。我们的水平参差不齐,最后都能成功,无非就是因为我们有了很清楚的努力的方向而已。
你不就是那个在其他楼里一直说风凉话的那位吗?请继续说你的风凉话,希望你能在这个过程中找到自我价值。
一亩三分地买的水军真不要脸,误导别人一周工作30个小时,百万轻松入账。呸。
一会儿200万,一会儿50万股票翻倍,有100w?所以你队友和你收入旗鼓相当,两人双双一周30个小时?你家收入到底多少?100w还是200w?好日子,大家还不赶快学学?
还劝大家在一味感谢的份儿上,都长长脑子。大厂tech lead,manager,没有一个清闲的,level越高,越有开不完的会,会都不只30个小时了。
要刷题转码的不会不知道薪资行情、资源怎么用。用不着你在这里骗大家,大厂一周30个小时,资本家心甘情愿大包裹养着你,把你当老母亲孝敬。呸。
这不是卖coupon买老鼠会保险的蟑螂大妈吗?我的楼你不敢回,跑到这里欺负老实人啦?别人在好心帮助人,你就像只粪坑里的蛆一样爬在后面恶心人啊。
单说一点 薪资信息 很多地方有 真的不要花钱去买
哇,说话还带“呸”的,我除了在电视看泼妇吵架,这还是第一次见到生活中的人这么说话呢,开眼界了。
我和队友各收入100万,家庭收入200万,这么简单的数字都看不懂,难怪别人说你买老鼠会保险呢。
这个“呸”,你值得。
那您继续呸吧,老鼠会大妈
我主贴说的很清楚了,薪资信息是从闺蜜和blind上得来的。当然,很多说怪话的人连blind是什么也不知道。
这个也太可乐了
请问楼主在那个州?那个厂呀。
纽约,厂就不说了,反正就是那几个
哦, 那也赚不了几个钱那。 哪里有2百万啊。
Mark!多谢楼主分享!虽然我不做IT也转不了码农,还是应该打开思维,寻求机会
一看开贴的楼主就是国内那种没见过世面穷苦人家出来的。 看着马上能有咸菜下饭了,就开始狂喷,鄙视人了。 具体原因就不说了。
楼主说的也是有道理的。 但是确实是苦出身。 没法子咯。时哉,命哉!
其实也很反应湾区人民素质的现状的
刷题也要有运气 和一定实力 那就是刷不进咋办啊!
嗯呐。穷人家出来的,没办法。
很多清华,北大,浙大等学霸都是这种穷苦人家出身。
挺佩服他们通过自己努力试图改变阶级的决心。
但是见识的确是局限了他们的成就。
命运和原生家庭的确对于塑造一个人是有很大作用的。再次感叹!
Mark........
您好高贵啊,不妨show show您的高贵呗?不然天天穿着西装革履卖保险可不怎么样啊
RSU就是钱,为啥不算RSU来着?RSU涨了就和投资涨了一样,每个季度发给你,你要是想的话,一分钟就可以卖掉变成现金。您是分不清RSU和option的区别吧?如果股票涨了不算钱,那您是不是觉得巴菲特也是穷光蛋啊?
NY tri-state area with equivalent pay scale as the bay area.
7 figure per individual is based on historic stock option returns which may or may not last (I was thinking about the boom right before 2000. The major difference I could sense was prior to 2000 it was investor''s money vs. now it is the fed''s money but hey money is money regardless. The good news is 2000 was even crazier than now as companies had no earnings. at least FANGs and their derivatives are raking in billions so Maybe this time it is different(TM) :-)
If you take 紫荆蝴蝶''s long term comp and assume a typical 4 year vesting schedule, the snapshot of restricted shares/options were about 2900K/4=725K at annum which puts the base at around 300K minimum.
And one likely needs 10+ year prior experience (iheartnyc had at least 14 years experience).
As far as friends with similar 7 figure incomes,I initially thought maybe it was due to one friend convincing another to follow the same steps but it could also be they became friends due to similar jobs, aka 物以类聚.
她的截图一年75万股票,base加奖金20多万,一年百万差不多,不是吹牛。她显然是去年股票低点的时候入职的,赚大了
恭喜楼主mm!为你点赞👍 我也很珍惜那些无私分享给我信息和经验的人,有意思的是我从陌生人那里得到这样的帮助更多。年轻时不会看人,曾经有些所谓的朋友,不但不会分享这样的信息,反而会误导把别人往坑里带,看你掉坑里心里乐开花。现在看明白了,果断拉黑这样的人,把身边空出来留给真正的朋友。
She/he said she/he joined 2017.
你再回去看看?她说2017第一次跳槽,后来又跳一次。
哪有啊!我没有收入的。都是感恩政府救济的呀!
我能每两周有1000块工资的话,我睡觉都要笑嘞。
人家好好分享你就不要像个臭虫一样在这里恶心人了
你见过臭虫长什么样不?我没见过呀。小时候听说过,穷人家不讲卫生的话,会有虱子,跳蚤,和臭虫,但是没见过。
臭虫会恶心到你吗?
you are right. I missed some of the details.