4/26/2021: One of my friends collegues - A San Ramon resident Srinivasa Muniswamy passed away yesterday due to COVID-19 complications in india. He went to India to see his father. He got vaccinated before leaving. He got infected in India but tests were negative (apparently the latest strain only shows up on the CT scan) so he was caught unaware. Suddenly his oxygen level dropped to 70 and he had to be taken to the hospital. He was in a critical condition and then he passed away due to liver failure. He was a very healthy person. Some friends know this family in San Ramon. So looks like the vaccination might not be that effective for this new variant. Please be careful visiting India even after vaccinated. Take care and stay safe.
4/26/2021: One of my friends collegues - A San Ramon resident Srinivasa Muniswamy passed away yesterday due to COVID-19 complications in india. He went to India to see his father. He got vaccinated before leaving. He got infected in India but tests were negative (apparently the latest strain only shows up on the CT scan) so he was caught unaware. Suddenly his oxygen level dropped to 70 and he had to be taken to the hospital. He was in a critical condition and then he passed away due to liver failure. He was a very healthy person. Some friends know this family in San Ramon. So looks like the vaccination might not be that effective for this new variant. Please be careful visiting India even after vaccinated. Take care and stay safe. esprit88 发表于 2021-04-29 15:26
我觉得国内不是当绝症啊。。。毕竟死亡率摆着呢，不可能是绝症。。。你说绝症也没人信啊 国内就是当传染度很高的传染病，因为国内事实就是人口密度大，医疗设施一般，医院也是人挤人本身就容易传染，所有的措施都是针对于，不能爆，因为一旦爆了就守不住，全玩儿完 我们这边刚开始SIP的时候也是说flatten the curve，不要同一时间爆
WARNING: COVID19 new mutation is giving false negatives in Nasal swaps. The virus is now hitting straight into the lungs. It is carrying no symptoms like fever or cough. Just body ache, weakness, loss of appetite. Patients go from mild condition to extreme life and death situation within 8 to 10 hours. Patients that have previous recovered from COVID19 in last year or so are at higher risk as their respiratory system is still not fully recovered . When they get the new mutation their fatality rate is much higher. We are receiving data from across India and it is not just alarming, it is an absolute disaster of historical proportions. We suspect Pakistan, Afghanistan and Bangladesh will all now be experiencing the new mutations of virus and face a dire situation just like India. Our colleagues in small towns across India especially North Eastern regions are saying it is a battle we have already lost. It is now damage control and save as many lives as possible. We have seen 400 plus children just in our district die within 10 to 12 hours. Intitial period they showed no symptoms and within hours their oxygen levels dropped and deceased. We have also attended to several patients who traveled into Mumbai from overseas and had received their jabs and ended up contracting the virus and 17 out of 28 have died. Health services both in public and private hospitals have collapsed. Rich, middle class and poor all are affected and it is spreading fast, very fast. Any further mutation or variants will potentially be a doomsday scenario. This is a WARNING go to extreme precautionsfor everyone in your household. From children to elders. This virus is no longer containable in India. Our government and systems have failed. No one could have ever anticipated this. For all other developing countries with weak healthcare systems please note this is beyond all our capacities. Let’s work towards trying to stop the spread even if it means an ironclad lockdown or else the only thing we will have left is a body count statistic that would make the Spanish flu look like a non event. Message from Dr Pradeep Senha Sassoon General Hospital Maharashtra
WARNING: COVID19 new mutation is giving false negatives in Nasal swaps. The virus is now hitting straight into the lungs. It is carrying no symptoms like fever or cough. Just body ache, weakness, loss of appetite. Patients go from mild condition to extreme life and death situation within 8 to 10 hours. Patients that have previous recovered from COVID19 in last year or so are at higher risk as their respiratory system is still not fully recovered . When they get the new mutation their fatality rate is much higher. We are receiving data from across India and it is not just alarming, it is an absolute disaster of historical proportions. We suspect Pakistan, Afghanistan and Bangladesh will all now be experiencing the new mutations of virus and face a dire situation just like India. Our colleagues in small towns across India especially North Eastern regions are saying it is a battle we have already lost. It is now damage control and save as many lives as possible. We have seen 400 plus children just in our district die within 10 to 12 hours. Intitial period they showed no symptoms and within hours their oxygen levels dropped and deceased. We have also attended to several patients who traveled into Mumbai from overseas and had received their jabs and ended up contracting the virus and 17 out of 28 have died. Health services both in public and private hospitals have collapsed. Rich, middle class and poor all are affected and it is spreading fast, very fast. Any further mutation or variants will potentially be a doomsday scenario. This is a WARNING go to extreme precautionsfor everyone in your household. From children to elders. This virus is no longer containable in India. Our government and systems have failed. No one could have ever anticipated this. For all other developing countries with weak healthcare systems please note this is beyond all our capacities. Let’s work towards trying to stop the spread even if it means an ironclad lockdown or else the only thing we will have left is a body count statistic that would make the Spanish flu look like a non event. Message from Dr Pradeep Senha Sassoon General Hospital Maharashtra esprit88 发表于 2021-04-29 22:06
17 out of 28 have died。这60%的死亡率，不符合新冠。 大灾大难的时候谣言满天飞。
简单过过脑子都能明白怎么回事，睿大妈又来装傻了。 [url]https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html[/url] COVID-19 vaccine breakthrough infections reported to CDC as of April 20 As of April 20, 2021, more than 87 million people in the United States had been fully vaccinated against COVID-19. During the same time, CDC received reports of vaccine breakthrough infections from 45 U.S. states and territories. Total number of vaccine breakthrough infections reported to CDC Total number of vaccine breakthrough infections reported to CDC7,157Females4,580 (64%)People aged ≥60 years3,265 (46%)Asymptomatic infections2,078 (31%)Hospitalizations*498 (7%)Deaths†88 (1%) *167 (34%) of the 498 hospitalizations were reported as asymptomatic or not related to COVID-19. †11 (13%) of the 88 fatal cases were reported as asymptomatic or not related to COVID-19. 你截图的上面写的清清楚楚美国有87million的人完成了疫苗的接种，fully vaccinated，现在统计到的是498人又得了新冠住院，死了77个，现在的数据是打过疫苗的人里面一百万才有不到一个死了。考虑到有些case没有统计，实际breakthrough的比例应该更高一些，但是已经是非常非常低了。 然后睿大妈得出的结论是： “在美国打过疫苗的住院死亡率还是非常高的。” 只能让我相信：或者睿大妈特别傻，或者睿大妈故意在这带风向。
简单过过脑子都能明白怎么回事，睿大妈又来装傻了。 [url]https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html[/url] COVID-19 vaccine breakthrough infections reported to CDC as of April 20 As of April 20, 2021, more than 87 million people in the United States had been fully vaccinated against COVID-19. During the same time, CDC received reports of vaccine breakthrough infections from 45 U.S. states and territories. Total number of vaccine breakthrough infections reported to CDC Total number of vaccine breakthrough infections reported to CDC7,157Females4,580 (64%)People aged ≥60 years3,265 (46%)Asymptomatic infections2,078 (31%)Hospitalizations*498 (7%)Deaths†88 (1%) *167 (34%) of the 498 hospitalizations were reported as asymptomatic or not related to COVID-19. †11 (13%) of the 88 fatal cases were reported as asymptomatic or not related to COVID-19. 你截图的上面写的清清楚楚美国有87million的人完成了疫苗的接种，fully vaccinated，现在统计到的是498人又得了新冠住院，死了77个，现在的数据是打过疫苗的人里面一百万才有不到一个死了。考虑到有些case没有统计，实际breakthrough的比例应该更高一些，但是已经是非常非常低了。 然后睿大妈得出的结论是： “在美国打过疫苗的住院死亡率还是非常高的。” 只能让我相信：或者睿大妈特别傻，或者睿大妈故意在这带风向。 ray_golden 发表于 2021-04-30 03:08
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印度医生随口说了一个他们医院的数字，具体我不做评价，因为印度现在的情况跟美国没有可以性，包括疫苗种类，卫生设施以及感染人数的状况。
我已经指出了，你跟风对比的打疫苗后breakthrough的所谓“住院\死亡率“本身就是给了个缺乏逻辑的结论。
事实和数字清楚的摆在那里，“打完疫苗后住院率”和“打完疫苗后的死亡率”都大幅下降，死亡率百分之一降到百万分之一。
个人认为打完疫苗后死亡的百万分之一是疫苗无法保护的人群，打不打疫苗都是会死的，只是你把这个人群放在没有打疫苗而人群中对比，还是放在打完疫苗后大部分都不用住院的人群作为基数去对比。
你得出一个结论是在美国打完疫苗的住院死亡率还是非常高，331个住院死了77个，跟你前一段被新闻欺骗然后惊呼打疫苗后死亡率更高的认知相符，只是你又忘了。
你愿意自己吓自己不要混淆视听，我只是给旁观者澄清这个事实，当然你有不打疫苗的自由，我赞同不同人的认知和信仰不同， 我对嘲笑你的智商表示道歉。
你脑补的太厉害了，因为印度医生给的数字只有打了疫苗以后breakthrough的住院人数和死亡人数，我们只能和美国的打了疫苗以后breakthrough的住院人数和死亡人数比。看一下那个印度医生说的是不是合理而已。你非要塞话在我嘴里，说什么打过疫苗住院死亡率比没打疫苗的住院死亡率高一倍是我想要说的。我根本没有说这个，也没有比过。这个是你完全自己脑补的。真的，放松点，我只是说印度医生说的是可信的而已。
今天，我终于见识到什么叫做此地无银三百两。
很简单，CDC这个链接里有整体数据的统计
[url]https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html[/url]
睿大妈特意引用打过疫苗以后breakthrough的统计数据：
[url]https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html[/url]
直接数据的差距我懒得跟你解释了
你写的是“打过疫苗”的住院死亡率，美国整体统计7天的住院率和死亡率是这个链接 [url]https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html[/url]
最近7天平均住院是5607人，死亡是684人，住院死亡率是12.19%
你用的打过疫苗的breakthrough的统计数据，这个你承认吧，按你的统计住院死亡率是77/331=23.26%,
你是不是要得出打了疫苗住院死亡率比没打疫苗住院死亡率要高一倍了？所以打疫苗更容易死了，还是别打疫苗了。我终于明白你为什么对打疫苗这么抗拒了。
明明有所有统计的住院人数和死亡人数，你去贴一个打了疫苗以后breakthrough的住院人数和死亡人数，这就是为了证明自己的观点特意引用非客观数据的做法。
明明有整体人口基数因为新冠造成的死亡率的对比，对打不打疫苗的效果有很好的证明，结果被你这么一歪解就能成了打疫苗更危险。
楼上有看不懂的傻子还叫好
确实很有道理，👍 就是的，那印度的数据哪里测出来的
🛋️ 沙发板凳
这种没source的信息，说PCR test查不出来。那么印度每天30多万怎么查出来的？ 还有CT，感觉很浓的中国味。欧美查covid一般不查CT。 这儿有个新闻说indian variant不会让PCR查不出。 https://www.deccanherald.com/science-and-environment/mutant-covid-19-variants-do-not-produce-false-negative-rt-pcr-test-result-expert-says-978015.html
我相信肯定有人打疫苗之后新冠去世，在美国也早就有很多这种case。疫苗又不是万能的，只是说感染几率和重症几率小很多，又不是100%，不知道为什么拿出来作文章。
中国把新冠当绝症，美国把新冠当流感，事实上这俩都很离谱。但同时也说明，同一件事，立场不同，对于同一个科学事实的宣传居然差异如此之大。以后还能相信谁呢？
edit:国内对新冠后遗症的宣传类似SARS，就算不是绝症也是非死即残了吧。而且各省隔离期一个赛一个的长，已经脱离科学变成政治作秀了。
买报告的可能性很大，不是之前有人说五刀一份吗
这个人打的什么疫苗？两针的话是P或者M吗，他是在美国打完疫苗去印度的？
这个情况下还有必要考虑PCR的准确度么 = =
我们州算是比较早对所有年龄开放打疫苗的。也就最近才断断续续打完第二针。怎么这么多打完第二针去印度的，是不是都是年龄比较大的？
的确，有研究报告说打疫苗抗体浓度要比得过新冠的抗体高。可是如果旧抗体对新的变异没啥效果的话，抗体浓度再高也没有用啊，因为牛头不对马嘴啊。
还有的确死亡的群体在变异后越来越年轻化，所以完全不能掉以轻心。
是有一个十天还是一周的反应期，刚打完就乱跑是很不明智的。
幸亏这里印度同事打了疫苗回国的例子多了，大家自有判断。我这有个最新例子刚和本人聊了，胖子打的P两周多回去新德里，全家近的远的亲戚几乎全染，老爸70多岁死了，大多数算熬过来了，他上周五回来的，连续测这周二还是阴性，于是打了第二针，没事
我在纽约时报上读到一个印度医生说打完疫苗后得新冠死亡率是美国的5倍以上。其实还是非常非常低的，1%都没有。可是他哪里拿到的数据就不知道了，里面也没说。因为印度数据很多都没有系统化。
我觉得国内不是当绝症啊。。。毕竟死亡率摆着呢，不可能是绝症。。。你说绝症也没人信啊
国内就是当传染度很高的传染病，因为国内事实就是人口密度大，医疗设施一般，医院也是人挤人本身就容易传染，所有的措施都是针对于，不能爆，因为一旦爆了就守不住，全玩儿完
我们这边刚开始SIP的时候也是说flatten the curve，不要同一时间爆
好久没有看到那么靠谱，实事求是的回答了。太多人太偏激了。
hey 我和你是一个科系出来的吧？
宁可信其有。去年年初也是国内的小道消息先传出来的
到后来器官衰竭也是有的
是不是印度查的CT? 论坛看到印度人说家人症状明显，去测了是negative，去查CT才看出来的
你的结论就是疫苗应该有效的是不是？根据你知道的很多的例子？
印度论坛来的
疫苗有没有效，看临床实验结果呀。不是看网上随随便便一个帖子。目前三期临床证明是有效的。那还纠结什么？
三期临床跟印度变种没有关系啊，哪有临床实验结果？
很多朋友前几个月，没轮到时，找偏僻的地方，那里疫苗多，将要作废，所以预约没有要求，然后开车1个多小时过去打的
我是3月10号打的第二针，我自己是大学里的researcher，我打的时候大学雇员已经放开了，我属于大学雇员里打的比较晚的，因为想跟我队友打针的时间错开。在我排队的时候遇到一个gym coach，她说gym，餐馆，跟人接触的职业都可以打的。childcare各种职业也在三月底就能打了。目前旧金山城里的接种率已经超过了70%，整个湾区大概完成两针的比例是50%左右。
别的真实性我不知道，我是完全相信这个人打完两针了的，就现在，我周围所有的朋友还没有一个人是想打疫苗没打上的。
嗯 我也听说了
我知道有不少人声称自己是特殊行业骗打的。这个也没人查。
东湾4月初就开放50岁以上，之前3月份药房开始打疫苗后已经有很多人跑到比较远的的地方捡漏。我有个朋友去的Fresno两针都打完一周多了。
印度变种PCR当然是能测出来的，这个例子看起来像是感染了其他种类的病毒性肺炎
肯定不是核酸检测都差不出来， 但是也不是都查得出来。 这个在变种之前就知道了吧， false negatives很多
只是重症率下降了？还是没法避免吗？
国内真的是当绝症。我这边有同事跟我讨论他同学群，后来我两想会不会因为他本科是数学的，就去我同学群探讨一下，他们真的认为只要感染至少重症，我本科医药相关的。
说明宣传是有强大洗脑作用的。但是这点我没觉得国内这么宣传有错。看印度就知道了，人口密度，三代同住，积累几个月就击穿医疗了。你想要人们自觉遵守不往严重了宣传，难道强调个年龄段重病死亡率，再横向比较其他传染病和事故比例吗?
对于美国是不是流感，第一轮下来如果不管不顾肯定要比流感对医疗压力大，过两年咱再看是不是流感。
北美华人看的多是中文文字，所以同国内华人的不少，但是由于住的环境不同，惊吓度高多了。
也不是说绝症，就是国内很多人说这个后遗症比较严重
当时sars治疗，大量使用激素，不少人有严重后遗症，可能是这些导致的misinformation
这要是说的是中国，那必定是真的，然后会扯到中国政府隐瞒啊，大家没有渠道向外传递真实的情况啊。。。这现在是印度，那必定是有人在传播谣言，制造恐慌。。。
德州三月份就全面开放了，我有朋友早就打完两针了。。。各地情况不一样，不要把眼界就局限在身边吧。。。
也不是的。我朋友说她同事covid后有后遗症，不过她同事有五十了
新闻里的这个人不是San Ramon居民吗？ 我以为就是北湾啊。我没有一叶障目的意思，而是说新闻本身存疑。
看来还要一年
你提醒我，新闻上看到不少美国人也有后遗症，但是可能年纪大的居多吧
新冠后遗症的比例很高的，还有个专门的名词叫long COVID， NIH最近刚刚批了个十几亿的funding，专门研究相关项目 https://www.nih.gov/about-nih/who-we-are/nih-director/statements/nih-launches-new-initiative-study-long-covid
胡说八道。方舱医院是干啥的？难道是给重症用的？
我建議以後不要再叫印度人烙印 實在不好聽 尤其在此時此刻
long-hauler很多
但研究治疗的好像没有主要关注那些人
WARNING: COVID19 new mutation is giving false negatives in Nasal swaps. The virus is now hitting straight into the lungs. It is carrying no symptoms like fever or cough. Just body ache, weakness, loss of appetite. Patients go from mild condition to extreme life and death situation within 8 to 10 hours. Patients that have previous recovered from COVID19 in last year or so are at higher risk as their respiratory system is still not fully recovered . When they get the new mutation their fatality rate is much higher. We are receiving data from across India and it is not just alarming, it is an absolute disaster of historical proportions. We suspect Pakistan, Afghanistan and Bangladesh will all now be experiencing the new mutations of virus and face a dire situation just like India. Our colleagues in small towns across India especially North Eastern regions are saying it is a battle we have already lost. It is now damage control and save as many lives as possible. We have seen 400 plus children just in our district die within 10 to 12 hours. Intitial period they showed no symptoms and within hours their oxygen levels dropped and deceased. We have also attended to several patients who traveled into Mumbai from overseas and had received their jabs and ended up contracting the virus and 17 out of 28 have died. Health services both in public and private hospitals have collapsed. Rich, middle class and poor all are affected and it is spreading fast, very fast. Any further mutation or variants will potentially be a doomsday scenario. This is a WARNING go to extreme precautionsfor everyone in your household. From children to elders. This virus is no longer containable in India. Our government and systems have failed. No one could have ever anticipated this. For all other developing countries with weak healthcare systems please note this is beyond all our capacities. Let’s work towards trying to stop the spread even if it means an ironclad lockdown or else the only thing we will have left is a body count statistic that would make the Spanish flu look like a non event.
Message from Dr Pradeep Senha Sassoon General Hospital Maharashtra
Hold on, 1st said it was due to ‘complication’, then said he was a very healthy person
新闻不知真假，但我知道印度人大部分都想法设法的先打上了疫苗是真的。
国内很多城市 没人戴口罩
这个拿钱发帖的楼主真是没有水平，造谣也不能这么离谱吧。
另外，看了一下这个id, 所有的发帖都是疫苗的负面造谣帖，不是拿钱带任务的，就是有病得治。
17 out of 28 have died。这60%的死亡率，不符合新冠。 大灾大难的时候谣言满天飞。
你这才是张口就造谣呢。 小人之心！
本人就是对这次的疫苗存疑，发帖是本着分享和讨论的科学精神。 人的身体是革命的本钱，小心驶得万年船。
这个帖子很奇怪，我点了那个印度论坛的链接，里面是半英文半印度话，有个人发了楼主贴的那帖，第二页还说他不直接认识他，但和他一个hiking club什么的，看得又像是假的又像是真的，不懂。
还“身体是革命的本钱”。。。一不小心就把平时放嘴里的话漏出来了～～
我们这里也是这样，所以我还没打完呢。
但是知道很多老印老中都加塞打完了，比如老印同事，我们 director (老印）还传授加塞技巧。我认识的不少老中也是发现人家都打完了，不像我老老实实排到了再想着去打的。
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在美国打过疫苗的住院死亡率还是非常高的。
498-167=331个因为新冠住院，其中88-11=77个因为新冠死亡。
疫苗对印度变异抵抗力弱一些，加上印度医院治疗相对差一些，所以不是不可信。
这个版的论调，说印度死人的数字一定是夸张造谣，实际上肯定没死这么多人；说中国死人的数字肯定是土工瞒报了，实际上死得肯定不止这么多。
很多是刚打了一针的，前面各种方式提前打的很多的一针的强生
真不敢说是造谣，就是微信上中文消息狼来了太多次了，先是说挪威老人打的辉瑞疫苗死了很多，后说面瘫了很多，再说大姨妈不来了，的确是不来大姨妈，一辈子没来过，我tm一男的来大姨妈？现在又说俄罗斯疫苗是病毒，合着全球这些国家都是sb，只有中国最鸡贼。哪天微信上说美国疫苗有效的时候，我看倒是要仔细考虑考虑，中文消息现在只能反正看
简单过过脑子都能明白怎么回事，睿大妈又来装傻了。
[url]https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html[/url]
COVID-19 vaccine breakthrough infections reported to CDC as of April 20 As of April 20, 2021, more than 87 million people in the United States had been fully vaccinated against COVID-19. During the same time, CDC received reports of vaccine breakthrough infections from 45 U.S. states and territories. Total number of vaccine breakthrough infections reported to CDC Total number of vaccine breakthrough infections reported to CDC7,157Females4,580 (64%)People aged ≥60 years3,265 (46%)Asymptomatic infections2,078 (31%)Hospitalizations*498 (7%)Deaths†88 (1%) *167 (34%) of the 498 hospitalizations were reported as asymptomatic or not related to COVID-19. †11 (13%) of the 88 fatal cases were reported as asymptomatic or not related to COVID-19.
你截图的上面写的清清楚楚美国有87million的人完成了疫苗的接种，fully vaccinated，现在统计到的是498人又得了新冠住院，死了77个，现在的数据是打过疫苗的人里面一百万才有不到一个死了。考虑到有些case没有统计，实际breakthrough的比例应该更高一些，但是已经是非常非常低了。
然后睿大妈得出的结论是： “在美国打过疫苗的住院死亡率还是非常高的。”
只能让我相信：或者睿大妈特别傻，或者睿大妈故意在这带风向。
睿大妈带不了风向，她发的帖子大家都反着看
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