回复 87楼might的帖子 You agree with this or not: "All the bug-introducing patches stayed only in the email exchanges, without being adopted or merged into any Linux branch" ?
我觉得linux火大是因为他们莫名其妙成为被测试对象。 https://www.tomshardware.com/news/linux-fellow-bans-university-contributing-kernel All of which is to say that Linux is vital. It would make sense, then, for the person responsible for the Linux kernel's stable release branch to be upset about those students' efforts to undermine that project. Kroah-Hartman made his stance on the issue clear in a message posted to the Linux kernel mailing list earlier today: "Our community does not appreciate being experimented on, and being 'tested' by submitting known patches that are either do nothing [sic] on purpose, or introduce bugs on purpose. If you wish to do work like this, I suggest you find a different community to run your experiments on, you are not welcome here."
看看人家team的回复，人家真的是被他气死了 You, and your group, have publicly admitted to sending known-buggy patches to see how the kernel community would react to them, and published a paper based on that work. Now you submit a new series of obviously-incorrect patches again, so what am I supposed to think of such a thing? They obviously were _NOT_ created by a static analysis tool that is of any intelligence, as they all are the result of totally different patterns, and all of which are obviously not even fixing anything at all. So what am I supposed to think here, other than that you and your group are continuing to experiment on the kernel community developers by sending such nonsense patches? When submitting patches created by a tool, everyone who does so submits them with wording like "found by tool XXX, we are not sure if this is correct or not, please advise." which is NOT what you did here at all. You were not asking for help, you were claiming that these were legitimate fixes, which you KNEW to be incorrect. A few minutes with anyone with the semblance of knowledge of C can see that your submissions do NOT do anything at all, so to think that a tool created them, and then that you thought they were a valid "fix" is totally negligent on your part, not ours. You are the one at fault, it is not our job to be the test subjects of a tool you create. Our community welcomes developers who wish to help and enhance Linux. That is NOT what you are attempting to do here, so please do not try to frame it that way. Our community does not appreciate being experimented on, and being "tested" by submitting known patches that are either do nothing on purpose, or introduce bugs on purpose. If you wish to do work like this, I suggest you find a different community to run your experiments on, you are not welcome here. Because of this, I will now have to ban all future contributions from your University and rip out your previous contributions, as they were obviously submitted in bad-faith with the intent to cause problems.
我觉得linux火大是因为他们莫名其妙成为被测试对象。 https://www.tomshardware.com/news/linux-fellow-bans-university-contributing-kernel All of which is to say that Linux is vital. It would make sense, then, for the person responsible for the Linux kernel''s stable release branch to be upset about those students'' efforts to undermine that project. Kroah-Hartman made his stance on the issue clear in a message posted to the Linux kernel mailing list earlier today: "Our community does not appreciate being experimented on, and being ''tested'' by submitting known patches that are either do nothing [sic] on purpose, or introduce bugs on purpose. If you wish to do work like this, I suggest you find a different community to run your experiments on, you are not welcome here." youlyq 发表于 2021-04-21 19:39
看看人家team的回复，人家真的是被他气死了 You, and your group, have publicly admitted to sending known-buggy patches to see how the kernel community would react to them, and published a paper based on that work. Now you submit a new series of obviously-incorrect patches again, so what am I supposed to think of such a thing? They obviously were _NOT_ created by a static analysis tool that is of any intelligence, as they all are the result of totally different patterns, and all of which are obviously not even fixing anything at all. So what am I supposed to think here, other than that you and your group are continuing to experiment on the kernel community developers by sending such nonsense patches? When submitting patches created by a tool, everyone who does so submits them with wording like "found by tool XXX, we are not sure if this is correct or not, please advise." which is NOT what you did here at all. You were not asking for help, you were claiming that these were legitimate fixes, which you KNEW to be incorrect. A few minutes with anyone with the semblance of knowledge of C can see that your submissions do NOT do anything at all, so to think that a tool created them, and then that you thought they were a valid "fix" is totally negligent on your part, not ours. You are the one at fault, it is not our job to be the test subjects of a tool you create. Our community welcomes developers who wish to help and enhance Linux. That is NOT what you are attempting to do here, so please do not try to frame it that way. Our community does not appreciate being experimented on, and being "tested" by submitting known patches that are either do nothing on purpose, or introduce bugs on purpose. If you wish to do work like this, I suggest you find a different community to run your experiments on, you are not welcome here. Because of this, I will now have to ban all future contributions from your University and rip out your previous contributions, as they were obviously submitted in bad-faith with the intent to cause problems.
linux开源这么多年，还是第一次碰到这么恶心的事情。人类各种病毒所也存在这么多年了，制造病毒让几十亿人无辜遭殃的也只有武汉王所长！别洗了，洗不白
你的意思？
如果这个教授真的做了，
他要付法律责任？
我怎么看他连工作都不会丢！
你也知道说这种不要脸的话要用马甲是么？
大陆人犯了事儿，把台湾人拎出来拷打的，又是什么好东西？
中国人自己搞不出来，就先把别人搞死呗！学cs的真是快要被恶心死了
不懂的事情还要强行评论就是你这样的。
华为被你说得蠢萌蠢萌的，他们真这么要脸就好了，感觉你在洗白华为。
三鹿奶粉加那个东西你认为就是添加剂？你会让你的孩子去喝国产奶粉么？你这么洗地除了让人看到你这种人的无耻，是洗不白的
这个教授的辩解好苍白。好比你说这个车不安全，你不会真的去找人撞吧。
他在反讽... 怎么这么多人误伤友军？
完全同意，中共绑架中国概念，养出一堆做事情没有底线的玩意儿，危害全世界，其他国家就是应该把土工看好了
中国如果有一天成为世界老大，绝非人类之福。
从你说的话来看，不像是cs科班出身啊，难道是bootcamp？ Linux开源这么多年，奇葩事多了去了，这绝对不是第一次，但也不意味这事ok。
但是知名大学的教授这么干，应该是第一次。
所以，
我认为这个教授不会有事请，
不管这个事情是无意的还是恶意的，
就是因为这是开源的，
想你说的
往Linux kernel提交的patch那是给所有人用的，只能提交自己测试过没有bug的patch。太没有底线了。
教授夫人们的各种极品事情，也挺给教授长脸的
清华贵系的，你说不是科班就不是吧
本来也不会有什么实际后果，毕竟确实全世界的人都在盯着review。
但他做事非常非常不合规矩。
你觉得不够恶心，那你再给一个中国人在linux kernel 干的恶心事儿？反正对我来说这件事是最恶心的，手段低劣，极易发现，损人也利不了己，low出地心
说直白点，很多华人faculty出身也很差，很多时候就是会来事、出国了腾笼换鸟赶上了好时候。
像这个教授，重庆大学毕业的。还有上次那个Florida学术作假、逼死自己学生的，西北工业大学本科，都是些二三线的水平。
自己教育经历，都在简历里遮遮掩掩，你去问问他们敢不敢自称是华人精英。
以前都是超市拍西瓜挑水果要拎别的race出来说，现在性质严重了，还是一样套路啊
确实是又傻又坏啊 但是因为傻，不会对kernel造成实际影响，不过又让华人背锅了。
你是cs不行还是语文不行，为啥老是攻击友军？
开源有开源的规矩，就算没有实际惩罚，这也是非常不光彩的事，要被挂在耻辱柱上的。
我还觉得你根本就不是科班出身，所以才会不把这种credibility当回事，你是cs不行，语文也不行。上来就攻击我不是科班出身，先挑衅的可是你，谁跟你是友军？
这个教授的学术生涯基本上结束了
哦果然，语文不行，我不是一直说了这是砸门面坏规矩的事吗？
提醒你一下，看看你说的话，是不是充满恶意，你倒是说说你是哪个学校毕业的，让我也看看算不算是科班？
他应该快速买票回国，垃圾都应该自觉回国内，那是最适合垃圾的土壤
就是，fork一个多简单的事情，这得是多想损人不利己才会干出这种事情。
哦，原来智商情商都有问题，自己狂喷别人转头就忘，原来是条金鱼，对不起，侮辱金鱼了
你要是姚班出身，不了解开源的运作，我不知道你咋毕业的。
看了一下。 如果按教授的说法， 他是在帮忙找程序上的问题。 然后真的满着所有人， 真的满天过海了。 但他最后没放上去。 就是说如果他想， 是可以做到的。
简单来说， 是有个黑客利用银行漏洞， 走到了只要他点头，就可以把钱拿出来那一步。 然后他就公开这个漏洞。
我不知道 patch 的程序有哪些， 有没因为他这种行为而意外的把 bug merge 进去， 如果有可能， 那他的做法肯定是不对的。 如果完全没可能，那是道德的问题， 例如应不应该浪费别人审核的时间等等。
回国了也许会成为民族英雄。
所以不要再学了，学出来闯大祸
fork出来他还拿谁当小白鼠啊。linux kernel community的人生气就是生这个，他们不想被人做实验。
和民族性还是有点关系。 我知道日本教授被发现学术不端，有上吊自杀的。这位还在狡辩。
可气的是他们文章发了之后又来了一轮新的。这样没完没了别人就不要干事情了。
真纳闷儿怎么想出来的。其实很简单，论坛里有人无聊编故事挖坑，这人是为沽名钓誉去系统里挖坑，如果不是去故意破坏。
You agree with this or not: "All the bug-introducing patches stayed only in the email exchanges, without being adopted or merged into any Linux branch" ?
http://www.cse.cqu.edu.cn/info/2095/5360.htm 重大
没什么实际后果 但是非常给华人学者抹黑，不守规矩 希望这人被开除
还发明出了抖音这样邪恶的东西。。。
北大master
是啊，他还想试试维护kernel的那些人能不能适应他的research方式？ 而且在ban整个学校之前已经给过警告了，不认为他们的research对linux kernel有任何价值。 所以真的没有什么好洗地的，这事已经闹得很严重了。
他说他的有bug的code只是研究用，并没有被adopt。会不会是有人从他的email里拷下来然后merge进去呢？
后果？他那些buggy patch如果应用到production server上面，什么后果都有可能发生。运维得被他坑死。
这种人真适合滚回国
他们这叫气急败坏吧，典型的轮湾就是这个样子。
但是有疑点的是，如果他真跟linux dev community沟通了，也在submit paper前通知并且征求意见了，按理说大家是达成共识了，那么为什么对方反应这么愤怒激烈？
我这么不这么认为不重要，台湾食品管理部门是这样认为的，台湾在中国奶粉案发后，还继续给食品投毒
沟通个鬼啊，哪个开源项目会同意你push bug？？！！
坏规矩。他是submit paper之前通知，而不是submit code之前问dev community可不可以，后者根本都不是个问题，是个人都知道不行也没必要。
这都是常识，submit bug从来都是大忌。
三聚氰胺掺进牛奶里，是2008年三鹿奶粉的事件。 什么时候变成“台湾人发明的”了。 大陆来的垃圾水军。又抹黑人家。
除了给人扣毒运轮的帽子，
你们这些长不大孩子们还会啥？
哈哈，
你继续
You, and your group, have publicly admitted to sending known-buggy patches to see how the kernel community would react to them, and published a paper based on that work. Now you submit a new series of obviously-incorrect patches again, so what am I supposed to think of such a thing? They obviously were _NOT_ created by a static analysis tool that is of any intelligence, as they all are the result of totally different patterns, and all of which are obviously not even fixing anything at all. So what am I supposed to think here, other than that you and your group are continuing to experiment on the kernel community developers by sending such nonsense patches? When submitting patches created by a tool, everyone who does so submits them with wording like "found by tool XXX, we are not sure if this is correct or not, please advise." which is NOT what you did here at all. You were not asking for help, you were claiming that these were legitimate fixes, which you KNEW to be incorrect. A few minutes with anyone with the semblance of knowledge of C can see that your submissions do NOT do anything at all, so to think that a tool created them, and then that you thought they were a valid "fix" is totally negligent on your part, not ours. You are the one at fault, it is not our job to be the test subjects of a tool you create. Our community welcomes developers who wish to help and enhance Linux. That is NOT what you are attempting to do here, so please do not try to frame it that way. Our community does not appreciate being experimented on, and being "tested" by submitting known patches that are either do nothing on purpose, or introduce bugs on purpose. If you wish to do work like this, I suggest you find a different community to run your experiments on, you are not welcome here. Because of this, I will now have to ban all future contributions from your University and rip out your previous contributions, as they were obviously submitted in bad-faith with the intent to cause problems.
就是我打的比方：为了测试刹车系统的安全，直接找人撞，你不能说在撞之前刹住了，没死人就皆大欢喜了。
是大陆的奶粉，污染了台湾的食品工业。你们这批垃圾水军，每天除了造谣就是放谣。
https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E5%B9%B4%E4%B8%AD%E5%9B%BD%E5%A5%B6%E5%88%B6%E5%93%81%E6%B1%A1%E6%9F%93%E4%BA%8B%E4%BB%B6
“台湾则是在大陆进口的奶精中发现三聚氰胺，此事导致台湾使用中国奶精的产品包括即溶咖啡、麦片等大规模下架。这是全球第一回发现中国植物性蛋白类产品掺有三聚氰胺的案例。香港也疑似在雀巢公司的炼乳中发现三聚氰胺的踪迹。”
他的自辩就是在打太极。 ——跟linux社区说了吗？说了啊，告诉他们说送代码这个过程可能会引入bug了，告诉他们这个发现了。可是教授就是没说自己打算照样坑他们一把。 ——有没有浪费他们的时间？很抱歉的确有……
做网安的各种攻击别人的安全漏洞本来不稀奇，但是作为教授而不是黑客，起码的规矩还是要守的。
哗众取宠，唉
毫无是非观念，
对毒奶粉这种事情，不去分别是非，
第一想到的是拉个台湾来垫背，
”我们不是第一个这么做的，我们是跟台湾人学的”
多么无知而且可笑，
无耻而又不自知，
瞧瞧你们多么的可悲
别侮辱黑客，white hat也是很守规矩的，就算black hat攻击漏洞也不是这么个玩法。 何况他这个纯属哗众取宠，没任何意义。
三聚氰胺问题，大陆既不是第一个，也不是最后一个，然后被你拿来当作典型指着骂全国人？而对发明且坚持使用的台湾不说一个不字，你讲芝麻大的一点道理不？
他这是仙人跳，造个bug自己发paper用，真别侮辱黑客
三聚氰胺加到奶粉里，大陆是第一个，也是世界上唯一一个。 就像土共派水军出来搅合一样，是世界独一份。
大家应该一致谴责linux社区发布华人教授的负面新闻，这是赤裸裸的歧视！
哈哈 是的。 种族歧视。。。竟然不让我们干坏事。
这种可以忽略学历的还不少呢。我认识一个本科是国内top2的，但phd学校不行，去stanford做了posdoc，其实不应该自卑了啊，但是逢人就说“stanford怎么样怎么样”，完全没提过他phd学校，连introduction都可以给人一种他phd就是stanford的错觉。给人的感觉很不好
其它国家的教授也有猥琐的不道德的
为什么偏偏抓住华人教授不放，
不是歧视是啥？
又坏又傻的典范
三聚氰胺加到食品里，台湾是第一个，而在大陆发现这个在奶粉里，是有毒的，对添加这个判刑后，台湾食品厂继续加到食品里两年。三聚氰胺不让加了，台湾食品工厂就发明并开始加起云剂，塑化剂，继续对食品下毒
三聚氰胺加到食品里，不是台湾发明的。
是大陆的奶粉，污染了台湾的食品工业。
https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E5%B9%B4%E4%B8%AD%E5%9B%BD%E5%A5%B6%E5%88%B6%E5%93%81%E6%B1%A1%E6%9F%93%E4%BA%8B%E4%BB%B6
“台湾则是在大陆进口的奶精中发现三聚氰胺，此事导致台湾使用中国奶精的产品包括即溶咖啡、麦片等大规模下架。这是全球第一回发现中国植物性蛋白类产品掺有三聚氰胺的案例。香港也疑似在雀巢公司的炼乳中发现三聚氰胺的踪迹。”
水军真够无耻的。
指鹿为马。有难度。呵呵。
自己去查台湾 三聚氰胺
不检测就没有， 不发现就没有， 你们才是典型掩耳盗铃
一个加拿大人关中国什么事情
是个精明人，绝对不聪明
有才無德，老毛把儒釋道都滅了，紅小兵又被下鄉，拿什麼教育人，洗腦拜金教後就是這結果。
对，绝对是种族歧视，我们关起门来都是这么干的
只能说还好现在的美国比起以前的美国，甚至现在的中国都进步很多。虽然stereotyping也有，但不会官方上升到迫害整个族群。
比如中国国内吧，按照前几天版上针对新疆学习营的讨论，因为维族没有跟小偷和恐袭分子做切割，所以一定全部心怀叵测，被关进学习营都是罪有应得，还应该对政府感恩戴德能让他们有机会学习新的就业技能。。。按照他们的逻辑，不切割的美华如果被歧视也是活该
人家linux社区才没有歧视呢，直接把整个大学ban了 = = 他们要是办了老中教授你可以喊歧视。
哈哈，也是，人家根本没说这人是哪国人，就以后所有通过umn.edu提交的patch自动reject
linux社区的反应没啥问题。
咱这儿华人社区倒是有那么几个见到这类事就不忘上来骂中国或者中国文化的，咱也犯不着和这样的人切割。
有华人骂中国，是他们自个儿的事，爱骂就骂去呗。这又不代表所有华人就都喜欢骂中国来显示自个儿多高人一等嘛。