看一下杨洁篪的这个话讲得狠啊,感觉中美就快撕破脸皮了

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whatever.
双方都在表演
这种时候不会有人认怂

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HeyStranger
谁要跪?搞错了吧,拜登跪舔吧
nalili88 发表于 2021-03-19 18:01

你不在美国当然希望美国跪舔了
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bogey
https://www.guancha.cn/internation/2021_03_19_584673.shtml
这里面的视频
Jingjing5 发表于 2021-03-19 13:51

快撕,快撕
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SamTaDie
回复 94楼SamTaDie的帖子
没什么对现状的评估,都是定于一尊的,说出来的话都是小学生想说的话而已,一个从福建做到中央烂尾了无数的货色,现在中美关系只不过是其中之一而已,而且还刚刚开始,坐稳了慢慢看吧这一轮他减肥能撑住的话至少要到2035呢
sunychen23 发表于 2021-03-19 20:51

我只能判断2035拜登肯定不是美国总统
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HeyStranger
我只能判断2035拜登肯定不是美国总统
SamTaDie 发表于 2021-03-19 21:48

我觉得美国任期制挺好的
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okyes
https://www.guancha.cn/internation/2021_03_19_584673.shtml
这里面的视频
Jingjing5 发表于 2021-03-19 13:51

中国外交 台面上打嘴炮,然后私底下跪舔。嘴炮是给国内屁民看的
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thymesu
难说。老美还真没以前那实力按着中国地上摩擦了。美国不少人都意识到了,一堆美华反道看不清形式。
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wujieling
记者中间才入场,所以大家看到的是一部分,了解过去一周时间线内发生的事情,大家就能理解为啥会硬碰硬了。
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sfxu_pisces

我看很多人是在自我安慰,什么表演啊,给老百姓看的,谈判都是这样的,
看我们这次强硬了,把美帝灭了。
没事没事,就是演戏,给老百姓看的,我们是高知,后面跟美国关起门来就谈协议呢。
我怎么看这论调都这么心虚呢?
走着瞧吧。
金言的马家 发表于 2021-03-19 20:02

其实这个说法基本代表国内的心态。那么也该是美国自卫反击的时候了对吧。来吧,让冷战2.0来得更猛烈些吧,人类科技大跃进2.0的曙光要来了!现在芒果季,我去多买点芒果看冷战去。
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jean_sunny
五毛怎么带风向也左右不了真正的风向,吃瓜群众好好看戏就行。
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jennyjiang
我天啊 什么人会这样讲话呀 虽然不懂外交 但这就像二个人打架打输了的人在哭诉啊…… 气度呢?风度呢? 真正的气度和风度以及被尊重难道不应该是事实真相吗 难道这样喊几句就赢了? 真正的赢 是扫地僧一样的云淡风轻而不是嘴巴上咄咄逼人呀
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jennyjiang
回复 33楼tropicalfog的帖子
那是因为英文(特别是书面)从来搞不出那么低级以及negative 的恶意 就好像英文一般表达不会说“我不骗你,” 而总是用“相信我”来表达。很多类似的表达...这个翻译要是直接字译会被恶心死
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nicibaobao
洗脑给国内民众看,转移国内矛盾。拉着几十亿人民的生活做堵为了满足这点儿破虚荣心。而特权阶层早送美国。想着就恶心。。。
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childefox
回复 109楼jennyjiang的帖子
自恨的程度真是让人叹为观止。 连语言文字都不如你主子的好,恨到这程度,想必你每每照镜子都是一种煎熬,建议你赶紧回炉重造,早日投胎为白人,得偿所愿
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jennyjiang
回复 111楼childefox的帖子
平时不写英文吧?真替你可怜。只懂中文的人怎么不直接回母国呢……
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Jingjing5

我看很多人是在自我安慰,什么表演啊,给老百姓看的,谈判都是这样的,
看我们这次强硬了,把美帝灭了。
没事没事,就是演戏,给老百姓看的,我们是高知,后面跟美国关起门来就谈协议呢。
我怎么看这论调都这么心虚呢?
走着瞧吧。
金言的马家 发表于 2021-03-19 20:02

这都看不出来还说是演戏的 就是要么装傻带节奏的,要么情商和智商很低的, 被人洗脑洗傻了,这点儿都看不出来。
这种形势的对话基本讲的就是很直白了,
看看YouTube上江泽民书记和克林顿总统开的记者招待会,朱镕基总理跟克林顿总统开的记者招待会,那才是有很大成分的演戏。 昨天中美这对话,大部分都是很实在的。
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Jingjing5
哪个国家不虚伪?不虚伪能玩政治么?
HeyStranger 发表于 2021-03-19 20:14

有像英国这么虚伪的么? 把印第安人灭族了,占了北美洲,把澳洲土著也差点灭族了, 然后联合国的外交原则不干涉内政,但是始终盯着新疆 香港问题不放,除了中国,美国会投一分钱去发展新疆么? 美国只会煽风点火,搞茉莉花革命,颠覆政权,然后民不聊生,但是那又怎么样,反正死的是别人。 叙利亚闹革命,现在怎么样? 中国至少没有像英国人那样在新疆杀人放火吧, 反而是努力建设发展新疆。 人还是要有基本的鉴别是非的能力。 当然也还要有基本的 公平和正义观念。
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cathy的马甲
有像英国这么虚伪的么? 把印第安人灭族了,占了北美洲,把澳洲土著也差点灭族了, 然后联合国的外交原则不干涉内政,但是始终盯着新疆 香港问题不放,除了中国,美国会投一分钱去发展新疆么? 美国只会煽风点火,搞茉莉花革命,颠覆政权,然后民不聊生,但是那又怎么样,反正死的是别人。 叙利亚闹革命,现在怎么样? 中国至少没有像英国人那样在新疆杀人放火吧, 反而是努力建设发展新疆。 人还是要有基本的鉴别是非的能力。 当然也还要有基本的 公平和正义观念。
Jingjing5 发表于 2021-03-20 00:47

中国没有在新疆杀人放火可是都把人关进再教育营洗脑,不让联系家人,强制劳工。跟坐牢有啥区别?还努力建设? 如果新疆什么事儿都没有为啥不让记者过去采访路人,为啥处处尾随不让采访赶走记者或者干脆不让去?
重复你的话:人还是要有基本的鉴别是非的能力和公平正义观念
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Jingjing5
其实这个说法基本代表国内的心态。那么也该是美国自卫反击的时候了对吧。来吧,让冷战2.0来得更猛烈些吧,人类科技大跃进2.0的曙光要来了!现在芒果季,我去多买点芒果看冷战去。
sfxu_pisces 发表于 2021-03-19 23:06

你这真的是很傻,不管你是谁,只要你说中文,中美合作共赢才是对说中文的人最好的形势,
中美冷战,说中文的人就会风箱里面的耗子,很可能两头受气, 真是感叹你这样 都什么时候了居然一点危机意识都没有,还不自知, 还什么冷战快来。 哎,没办法,世界愚人太多。
所以你知道,为什么美国要在世界推广 民主? 你知道为什么吗? 难道真的是为了那些国家好吗? 美国那么急于推广民主是因为 现在世界上大部分国家都是民族国家, 要控制这样的国家,如果是这个民族的精英掌权,则很不容易,因为精英根据文字含义就很 “精”,很不好忽悠,知道什么符合自己民族的最佳利益,不容易被操纵; 相反要忽悠普通民族就容易多了,通过大众媒体控制普通群众的思想,然后通过控制洗脑普通群众 操作别国的选民选出一个傀儡政府,这样那这个国家就好控制多了。 西方的媒体 像bbc cnn等 确实具有非常强的洗脑能力。 如何避免被洗脑,古人讲 兼听则明,偏信则暗。 不能一味只听西方媒体说的。 要兼听,还要学会对比,鉴别。
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keaidedabaicai
回复 116楼Jingjing5的帖子
说的非常好。中美合作共赢,才是美华最好的出路。让独轮运自己去反中,不要绑架中美关系,绑架中美两国人民
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keaidedabaicai
你这真的是很傻,不管你是谁,只要你说中文,中美合作共赢才是对说中文的人最好的形势,
中美冷战,说中文的人就会风箱里面的耗子,很可能两头受气, 真是感叹你这样 都什么时候了居然一点危机意识都没有,还不自知, 还什么冷战快来。 哎,没办法,世界愚人太多。
所以你知道,为什么美国要在世界推广 民主? 你知道为什么吗? 难道真的是为了那些国家好吗? 美国那么急于推广民主是因为 现在世界上大部分国家都是民族国家, 要控制这样的国家,如果是这个民族的精英掌权,则很不容易,因为精英根据文字含义就很 “精”,很不好忽悠,知道什么符合自己民族的最佳利益,不容易被操纵; 相反要忽悠普通民族就容易多了,通过大众媒体控制普通群众的思想,然后通过控制洗脑普通群众 操作别国的选民选出一个傀儡政府,这样那这个国家就好控制多了。 西方的媒体 像bbc cnn等 确实具有非常强的洗脑能力。 如何避免被洗脑,古人讲 兼听则明,偏信则暗。 不能一味只听西方媒体说的。 要兼听,还要学会对比,鉴别。
Jingjing5 发表于 2021-03-20 01:00

关于为啥要推广民主,说的太精辟了
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Jingjing5
中国没有在新疆杀人放火可是都把人关进再教育营洗脑,不让联系家人,强制劳工。跟坐牢有啥区别?还努力建设? 如果新疆什么事儿都没有为啥不让记者过去采访路人,为啥处处尾随不让采访赶走记者或者干脆不让去?
重复你的话:人还是要有基本的鉴别是非的能力和公平正义观念
cathy的马甲 发表于 2021-03-20 00:57

你见过关集中营吗? 我还去过新疆旅游了,我怎么没见过? 眼见都不一定为实,何况很大概率你还没有亲眼见过? 你很大概率只是看“报道”,喝了“鸡汤”而已。
我只看到新闻说。 2014年昆明火车站暴力恐怖袭击事件
然后我研究一些宗教 发现有的穆斯林好像确实有些极端。
掰叨叨
看看美国人是怎么把日本人按在地上摩擦的,这次的反应很说明问题了。
嘎小鸭
除了动不动让人回国没有别的可说了?美国核心价值不是言论自由吗?话都不敢让人讲? 你在美国已经人上等阶级了?难道自己不是韭菜?
tigerleihm 发表于 2021-03-19 15:31

哈哈哈哈,有些人动辄让人回国,彷佛自己已经在美国姓了赵
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keaidedabaicai
回复 115楼cathy的马甲的帖子
您估计是台湾省的吧。在大陆有朋友的话,让他们去趟新疆自己看看比啥都强。不要传谣
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cathy的马甲
你见过关集中营吗? 我还去过新疆旅游了,我怎么没见过? 眼见都不一定为实,何况很大概率你还没有亲眼见过? 你很大概率只是看“报道”,喝了“鸡汤”而已。
我只看到新闻说。 2014年昆明火车站暴力恐怖袭击事件
然后我研究一些宗教 发现有的穆斯林好像确实有些极端。
Jingjing5 发表于 2021-03-20 01:06

又是大外宣的话术,你自己去看看CGTV大外宣播的再教育营里面的情况。你这个业务培训的不到位啊。还问你见过集中营吗,你去旅游专门去再教育营旅游啊? 我一个朋友家附近就是监狱外面有铁丝网放哨的岗,跟拍到的新疆再教育营外面看起来一样呢。奥斯维辛集中营旁边附近的居民都不知道集中营里面什么样。 你看看围追堵截记者,采访难度有多大吧
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https://www.youtube.com/embed/v7AYyUqrMuQ

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suifengsui
楼主看你的发言很精分啊。一会说这真是撕破脸了,一会说要合作共赢?以你的看法中方没看出要合作的意思啊!既然不是演戏,那就刚到底啊,别光打嘴炮啊。干预我们香港台湾新疆内政,欧盟也跟着起哄,进行制裁啊。不是经济强国么,赶紧经济制裁美国欧盟别做生意了。不是军事强国么?赶紧占领台湾。光说不练是个什么意思,国际谈判场合骂战骂这么长时间这么激动是体现了自己的文明自己的风度还是体现了中国强大了就应该这样? 还有说一句,美国推广民主总比共产党推广独裁好。民主谁说就不是精英治国了?你不用兼听则明,先多读读历史多看看书,独裁政府和治下的人民才是最可怕最可怜的,也是对世界威胁最大的。
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Stromboli
我刚刚又看了一点这个论坛里另外一个帖子贴的 似乎是完整的视频,
感觉杨说话说的这么直白,似乎是感觉到了之前美方发言人太他妈的虚伪了, 你围堵中国就是围堵中国,这没什么好说的,这是国家利益决定的,你是一超多强 里面唯一的超级帝国,力量强大也是确实的, 可却睁着眼睛说联合盟友(围堵中国)是为了世界和区域的和平。 说实话我是感觉白人实际上是挺虚伪的。 尤其英国白人,我感觉是最虚伪。 德国法国白人好像好多了。
Jingjing5 发表于 2021-03-19 14:06


不只是美国的利益,是全世界自由社会的利益,让中共统治下的国家不断壮大,就是对全世界生活在自由社会下人的威胁,不能让中国成为第二个纳粹德国。
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Stromboli
洗脑来说,美国媒体不遑多让,谁也别瞧不起谁了
奶油小白菜 发表于 2021-03-19 14:15

美国媒体是私人的,不是按政府的意志宣传,事实上世界上骂美国政府最多的媒体就是美国自己的媒体。
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reboot2014
楼主看你的发言很精分啊。一会说这真是撕破脸了,一会说要合作共赢?以你的看法中方没看出要合作的意思啊!既然不是演戏,那就刚到底啊,别光打嘴炮啊。干预我们香港台湾新疆内政,欧盟也跟着起哄,进行制裁啊。不是经济强国么,赶紧经济制裁美国欧盟别做生意了。不是军事强国么?赶紧占领台湾。光说不练是个什么意思,国际谈判场合骂战骂这么长时间这么激动是体现了自己的文明自己的风度还是体现了中国强大了就应该这样? 还有说一句,美国推广民主总比共产党推广独裁好。民主谁说就不是精英治国了?你不用兼听则明,先多读读历史多看看书,独裁政府和治下的人民才是最可怕最可怜的,也是对世界威胁最大的。
suifengsui 发表于 2021-03-20 01:18

😆 又是劝美国悬崖勒马,搬起石头砸自己的脚那一套。看着敌人滚下悬崖不是开心的事吗,为啥还要劝?光打嘴炮搞宣传洗脑给墙内的人用用得了,在这带节奏没人信那一套。
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keaidedabaicai
回复 124楼suifengsui的帖子
我们是大国,也不搞霸权主义,台湾省是自己的领土,我们有信心和平统一 中国是人民共和国,人民民主专政,是个民主集中制的国家,即保证民主又保证了效率
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keaidedabaicai

不只是美国的利益,是全世界自由社会的利益,让中共统治下的国家不断壮大,就是对全世界生活在自由社会下人的威胁,不能让中国成为第二个纳粹德国。
Stromboli 发表于 2021-03-20 01:20

您要颠覆中国政权您自己上,不要绑架全体海华。我鼓励您自己去流血牺牲
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Jingjing5
又是大外宣的话术,你自己去看看CGTV大外宣播的再教育营里面的情况。你这个业务培训的不到位啊。还问你见过集中营吗,你去旅游专门去再教育营旅游啊? 我一个朋友家附近就是监狱外面有铁丝网放哨的岗,跟拍到的新疆再教育营外面看起来一样呢。奥斯维辛集中营旁边附近的居民都不知道集中营里面什么样。 你看看围追堵截记者,采访难度有多大吧
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https://www.youtube.com/embed/v7AYyUqrMuQ


cathy的马甲 发表于 2021-03-20 01:15

学校外面还有围墙了,你能把这根奥斯威辛集中营混为一谈,那不是鬼扯嘛? 有些极端宗教分子 你用不能像白人那样直接像把印第安人一样把其干掉,又不想恶性事件发生导致无辜生命不可挽回的损失,那你能怎么样? 别站着说话不腰疼。
我感觉中国政府也应该是没办法了,总不能无动于衷,有问题总得要想办法解决,只有采取第一,加强安保,放缓于未然,甚至到了变态的程度,严格到宁愿检查一百个无辜路人也不放过一个坏人的程度。这本就是我们农耕文明实干的精神。就像这次防新冠病毒一样的。步入美国这样先进医疗的情况下死了50万,中国14亿人口,人口密度还远远大于美国,要是像美国这样放任自由,不采取什么有力措施,那中国因为新冠病毒就绝不会死少于200万人口。 而中国则采取严格措施,什么回国隔离半个月啦,确实很不方便,但确实减少了很多潜在的感染,避免了很多无辜生命的逝去。 有些时候总是没办法两全的。
第二就是对那些极端分子加强教育。 那些极端分子之所以极端,就是因为被宗教洗了脑,你之所以这么傻就是因为被西方媒体洗了脑(i suppose),所以能怎么办,那就是用教育对这些极端分子去洗脑化。 因为不这么做,这些极端分子总是潜在不安的要素。 中国政府又不能像白人对印第安人那样直接干掉。 倒是前几天那个白人想把我们亚裔直接干掉,虽然我们亚裔安分守己,模范少数民族,他们并没有很充分的借口。
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楼主看你的发言很精分啊。一会说这真是撕破脸了,一会说要合作共赢?以你的看法中方没看出要合作的意思啊!既然不是演戏,那就刚到底啊,别光打嘴炮啊。干预我们香港台湾新疆内政,欧盟也跟着起哄,进行制裁啊。不是经济强国么,赶紧经济制裁美国欧盟别做生意了。不是军事强国么?赶紧占领台湾。光说不练是个什么意思,国际谈判场合骂战骂这么长时间这么激动是体现了自己的文明自己的风度还是体现了中国强大了就应该这样? 还有说一句,美国推广民主总比共产党推广独裁好。民主谁说就不是精英治国了?你不用兼听则明,先多读读历史多看看书,独裁政府和治下的人民才是最可怕最可怜的,也是对世界威胁最大的。
suifengsui 发表于 2021-03-20 01:18

不好意思,我没时间跟你鬼扯了。
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回复 123楼cathy的马甲的帖子
您既然有朋友在新疆太好了。请把照片和这个所谓集中营地址贴出来吧,这是铁证啊,让大家都来做个公证。 拿不出来就是您造谣
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学校外面还有围墙了,你能把这根奥斯威辛集中营混为一谈,那不是鬼扯嘛? 有些极端宗教分子 你用不能像白人那样直接像把印第安人一样把其干掉,又不想恶性事件发生导致无辜生命不可挽回的损失,那你能怎么样? 别站着说话不腰疼。
我感觉中国政府也应该是没办法了,总不能无动于衷,有问题总得要想办法解决,只有采取第一,加强安保,放缓于未然,甚至到了变态的程度,严格到宁愿检查一百个无辜路人也不放过一个坏人的程度。这本就是我们农耕文明实干的精神。就像这次防新冠病毒一样的。步入美国这样先进医疗的情况下死了50万,中国14亿人口,人口密度还远远大于美国,要是像美国这样放任自由,不采取什么有力措施,那中国因为新冠病毒就绝不会死少于200万人口。 而中国则采取严格措施,什么回国隔离半个月啦,确实很不方便,但确实减少了很多潜在的感染,避免了很多无辜生命的逝去。 有些时候总是没办法两全的。
第二就是对那些极端分子加强教育。 那些极端分子之所以极端,就是因为被宗教洗了脑,你之所以这么傻就是因为被西方媒体洗了脑(i suppose),所以能怎么办,那就是用教育对这些极端分子去洗脑化。 因为不这么做,这些极端分子总是潜在不安的要素。 中国政府又不能像白人对印第安人那样直接干掉。 倒是前几天那个白人想把我们亚裔直接干掉,虽然我们亚裔安分守己,模范少数民族,他们并没有很充分的借口。
Jingjing5 发表于 2021-03-20 02:18

所以学校的围墙都是上面有电网的旁边还有站岗放哨的,不让跟家人联系的是吗?你这才是鬼扯吧。。。说得好像多么无辜似的,冬天里最冷的时候赶走低端人口,饿死三千万无辜穷苦老百姓也是没办法不得已为之。。。太无辜了。 你一个人干了坏事全城市的人都抓起来蹲监狱,就这还能给自己洗地。。。 美国死了50万清清楚楚是谁,中国死了的人数说得清吗?武汉到底死了多少?为什么排队等骨灰盒的人就有几万人?火葬场连轴转都烧不完?陈秋实去医院拍个摄像至今下落不明,整天拿着洋五毛郭杰瑞的视频津津乐道说是反应美国的现实。。他要是去拍新疆,拍当时的武汉他还能在网络上存活吗?被揣着明白装糊涂了 为了给土工洗地不辞辛苦几个网评员颠倒黑白说谎话,真是个苦差事。。。脑子都分裂了
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中国没有在新疆杀人放火可是都把人关进再教育营洗脑,不让联系家人,强制劳工。跟坐牢有啥区别?还努力建设? 如果新疆什么事儿都没有为啥不让记者过去采访路人,为啥处处尾随不让采访赶走记者或者干脆不让去?
重复你的话:人还是要有基本的鉴别是非的能力和公平正义观念
cathy的马甲 发表于 2021-03-20 00:57

CNN造谣中国多少年了,08年7.5事件拿个尼泊尔的照片编新闻。凭什么不能被监视。
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中国外交 台面上打嘴炮,然后私底下跪舔。嘴炮是给国内屁民看的
okyes 发表于 2021-03-19 21:53

你说的美国会前都要像台湾做简报吧。嗯,我同意。
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洗脑给国内民众看,转移国内矛盾。拉着几十亿人民的生活做堵为了满足这点儿破虚荣心。而特权阶层早送美国。想着就恶心。。。
nicibaobao 发表于 2021-03-19 23:36

美国死了50万人,现在转移国内矛盾迫在眉睫。
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这到底都是怎么回事?。。。。。怎么不记得川普以前有这么糟糕过。。。现在要一直这么打拳击打下去??
softness 发表于 2021-03-19 14:06

以为白等上台就是救星...呵呵呵....
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CNN造谣中国多少年了,08年7.5事件拿个尼泊尔的照片编新闻。凭什么不能被监视。
ficol 发表于 2021-03-20 02:28

土工造谣多少年了,连照片都懒得放。。。说两会代表全注射国产疫苗,代表全是59岁以下没基础病?连个照片都懒得拍,就骗骗国内的人看 那些所谓用来吹嘘的历史全是假的,什么抗美援朝。明明是朝鲜侵略,土工去帮忙打的是联合国军。。。从小就在谎言里面洗脑。你这好不容易翻墙去看看真正的历史吧。 翻墙光做网评员带风向搅浑水浪费了翻墙的学习机会
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所以学校的围墙都是上面有电网的旁边还有站岗放哨的,不让跟家人联系的是吗?你这才是鬼扯吧。。。说得好像多么无辜似的,冬天里最冷的时候赶走低端人口,饿死三千万无辜穷苦老百姓也是没办法不得已为之。。。太无辜了。 你一个人干了坏事全城市的人都抓起来蹲监狱,就这还能给自己洗地。。。 美国死了50万清清楚楚是谁,中国死了的人数说得清吗?武汉到底死了多少?为什么排队等骨灰盒的人就有几万人?火葬场连轴转都烧不完?陈秋实去医院拍个摄像至今下落不明,整天拿着洋五毛郭杰瑞的视频津津乐道说是反应美国的现实。。他要是去拍新疆,拍当时的武汉他还能在网络上存活吗?被揣着明白装糊涂了 为了给土工洗地不辞辛苦几个网评员颠倒黑白说谎话,真是个苦差事。。。脑子都分裂了
cathy的马甲 发表于 2021-03-20 02:27

为什么排队等骨灰盒的人就有几万人?
呵呵,这有什么的,千万人人口城市一冬天死几万人稀奇吗?
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土工造谣多少年了,连照片都懒得放。。。说两会代表全注射国产疫苗,代表全是59岁以下没基础病?连个照片都懒得拍,就骗骗国内的人看 那些所谓用来吹嘘的历史全是假的,什么抗美援朝。明明是朝鲜侵略,土工去帮忙打的是联合国军。。。从小就在谎言里面洗脑。你这好不容易翻墙去看看真正的历史吧。 翻墙光做网评员带风向搅浑水浪费了翻墙的学习机会
cathy的马甲 发表于 2021-03-20 02:34

抗美援朝是朝鲜侵略真是天下奇闻!
人家是朝鲜半岛内战耶!难不成南北战争是侵略战争?
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看看这贴的高赞就知道现在这里都是些什么人了
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土工造谣多少年了,连照片都懒得放。。。说两会代表全注射国产疫苗,代表全是59岁以下没基础病?连个照片都懒得拍,就骗骗国内的人看 那些所谓用来吹嘘的历史全是假的,什么抗美援朝。明明是朝鲜侵略,土工去帮忙打的是联合国军。。。从小就在谎言里面洗脑。你这好不容易翻墙去看看真正的历史吧。 翻墙光做网评员带风向搅浑水浪费了翻墙的学习机会
cathy的马甲 发表于 2021-03-20 02:34

轮子造谣连嘴都不是自己的了。朝鲜战争都能洗成侵略,蒋介石也是侵略苏维埃呗。
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轮子造谣连嘴都不是自己的了。朝鲜战争都能洗成侵略,蒋介石也是侵略苏维埃呗。
ficol 发表于 2021-03-20 02:42

对你的无知感到遗憾。。。不用谢。朝鲜在苏联的指示下三天打到汉城。。。好好学习下真正的历史再来当网评员吧。不是什么文化的劳改犯都能干的 https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%9C%9D%E9%B2%9C%E6%88%98%E4%BA%89
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所以学校的围墙都是上面有电网的旁边还有站岗放哨的,不让跟家人联系的是吗?你这才是鬼扯吧。。。说得好像多么无辜似的,冬天里最冷的时候赶走低端人口,饿死三千万无辜穷苦老百姓也是没办法不得已为之。。。太无辜了。 你一个人干了坏事全城市的人都抓起来蹲监狱,就这还能给自己洗地。。。 美国死了50万清清楚楚是谁,中国死了的人数说得清吗?武汉到底死了多少?为什么排队等骨灰盒的人就有几万人?火葬场连轴转都烧不完?陈秋实去医院拍个摄像至今下落不明,整天拿着洋五毛郭杰瑞的视频津津乐道说是反应美国的现实。。他要是去拍新疆,拍当时的武汉他还能在网络上存活吗?被揣着明白装糊涂了 为了给土工洗地不辞辛苦几个网评员颠倒黑白说谎话,真是个苦差事。。。脑子都分裂了
cathy的马甲 发表于 2021-03-20 02:27

你这个傻子,我有说他们是8 岁9岁的小孩子吗? 他们是被极端宗教洗脑的危险恐怖分子,他们能跟8岁9岁的孩子比吗? 对他们的教育像是劳改啊。 能跟8岁9岁学生的学校一样吗? 你真的是很幼稚很傻。

再说湖北的疫情,一开始爆发,没有任何借鉴,什么也不知道。能处理成那样,把急剧恶化的形势控制住,我觉得已经很点赞。西欧 美国是在中国前车之鉴的前提下 也发生了医疗崩溃的情况。 何况欧美还是发达国家,中国还只是发展中国家。 而且不管实际死了多少人,我不相信中国政府会希望死更多的人。
之后不再跟你扯了,看你这个马甲的名字,就感觉你是带任务的。跟你辩论没意思,浪费我的时间。 我可是真正在美的华人,跟你实在没意思。
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土工造谣多少年了,连照片都懒得放。。。说两会代表全注射国产疫苗,代表全是59岁以下没基础病?连个照片都懒得拍,就骗骗国内的人看 那些所谓用来吹嘘的历史全是假的,什么抗美援朝。明明是朝鲜侵略,土工去帮忙打的是联合国军。。。从小就在谎言里面洗脑。你这好不容易翻墙去看看真正的历史吧。 翻墙光做网评员带风向搅浑水浪费了翻墙的学习机会
cathy的马甲 发表于 2021-03-20 02:34

轮子造谣比湾湾有进步呀,李大师在美国被交警开罚单,没发功吗?
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你这个傻子,我有说他们是8 岁9岁的小孩子吗? 他们是被极端宗教洗脑的危险恐怖分子,他们能跟8岁9岁的孩子比吗? 对他们的教育像是劳改啊。 能跟8岁9岁学生的学校一样吗? 你真的是很幼稚很傻。

再说湖北的疫情,一开始爆发,没有任何借鉴,什么也不知道。能处理成那样,把急剧恶化的形势控制住,我觉得已经很点赞。西欧 美国是在中国前车之鉴的前提下 也发生了医疗崩溃的情况。 何况欧美还是发达国家,中国还只是发展中国家。 而且不管实际死了多少人,我不相信中国政府会希望死更多的人。
之后不再跟你扯了,看你这个马甲的名字,就感觉你是带任务的。跟你辩论没意思,浪费我的时间。 我可是真正在美的华人,跟你实在没意思。
Jingjing5 发表于 2021-03-20 03:00

你这个劳改犯还假装美国华人,别丢人现眼了。。。懒得回你。低级网评员屏蔽了
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对你的无知感到遗憾。。。不用谢。朝鲜在苏联的指示下三天打到汉城。。。好好学习下真正的历史再来当网评员吧。不是什么文化的劳改犯都能干的 https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%9C%9D%E9%B2%9C%E6%88%98%E4%BA%89
cathy的马甲 发表于 2021-03-20 02:56

维基百科还说向华强是刘华清的干儿子呢。轮子信,就自己转去吧。
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对你的无知感到遗憾。。。不用谢。朝鲜在苏联的指示下三天打到汉城。。。好好学习下真正的历史再来当网评员吧。不是什么文化的劳改犯都能干的 https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%9C%9D%E9%B2%9C%E6%88%98%E4%BA%89
cathy的马甲 发表于 2021-03-20 02:56

朝鲜打汉城跟中共打南京一个道理呀。侵略你家炕头啦。
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对你的无知感到遗憾。。。不用谢。朝鲜在苏联的指示下三天打到汉城。。。好好学习下真正的历史再来当网评员吧。不是什么文化的劳改犯都能干的 https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%9C%9D%E9%B2%9C%E6%88%98%E4%BA%89
cathy的马甲 发表于 2021-03-20 02:56

轮子们的培训手册是不是李承晚教的?
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回复 143楼cathy的马甲的帖子
您不是造谣朋友在新疆吗?赶紧的,提供照片和所谓集中营地址吧。不然就闭嘴,全论坛的人都知道您在造谣污名化中国
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我刚刚又看了一点这个论坛里另外一个帖子贴的 似乎是完整的视频,
感觉杨说话说的这么直白,似乎是感觉到了之前美方发言人太他妈的虚伪了, 你围堵中国就是围堵中国,这没什么好说的,这是国家利益决定的,你是一超多强 里面唯一的超级帝国,力量强大也是确实的, 可却睁着眼睛说联合盟友(围堵中国)是为了世界和区域的和平。 说实话我是感觉白人实际上是挺虚伪的。 尤其英国白人,我感觉是最虚伪。 德国法国白人好像好多了。
Jingjing5 发表于 2021-03-19 14:06

英美是一脉相承的,最会耍政治手腕的国家。
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回复 143楼cathy的马甲的帖子
您不是造谣朋友在新疆吗?赶紧的,提供照片和所谓集中营地址吧。不然就闭嘴,全论坛的人都知道您在造谣污名化中国
keaidedabaicai 发表于 2021-03-20 03:24

慢慢看都在里面,哦,忘了,你们单位培训只允许你们不停发帖灌水不能看视频哦。 可惜了
系统提示:若遇到视频无法播放请点击下方链接
https://www.youtube.com/embed/v7AYyUqrMuQ
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英美是一脉相承的,最会耍政治手腕的国家。
Beau 发表于 2021-03-20 03:24

土耳其,菲律宾,新加坡表示不服。实力小手腕不小。
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回复 152楼cathy的马甲的帖子
这个视频和您朋友有关系?需要翻一下您自己刚造的谣吗?
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ficol
慢慢看都在里面,哦,忘了,你们单位培训只允许你们不停发帖灌水不能看视频哦。 可惜了
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cathy的马甲 发表于 2021-03-20 03:30

08年7.5事件你给加工一下,变成种族灭绝运动呗,顺便用一下尼泊尔的照片。组织就靠你喽。
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ficol
慢慢看都在里面,哦,忘了,你们单位培训只允许你们不停发帖灌水不能看视频哦。 可惜了
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cathy的马甲 发表于 2021-03-20 03:30

看几条被人编辑过的维基百科,就感觉自己掌握真理了,我还以为你黑了阿桑奇呢!你是信李大师呀还是信维基百科呀!
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cathy的马甲
回复 152楼cathy的马甲的帖子
这个视频和您朋友有关系?需要翻一下您自己刚造的谣吗?
keaidedabaicai 发表于 2021-03-20 03:48

我说我朋友家附近有监狱墙上有铁丝网,我造啥谣了?网评员也得找个识字的吧,你这水平的不知道要水多少帖子才能出狱。。。可怜哦
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keaidedabaicai
回复 157楼cathy的马甲的帖子
好吧,这个监狱是否是如海外谣媒所所说的集中营,或者您是否真有这个朋友,这个很容易验证。请您把这个监狱的地址贴上来。不然就闭嘴吧。您所有的发言不过都是造谣而已
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smarteehuan
中美去年就撕破脸了,连谈都不谈了,一直隔空互骂。现在能见面已经找回点脸了
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cathytree
回复 152楼cathy的马甲的帖子
说了半天你连自己是不是轮子都不敢说。评论个毛线。纯属自嗨。
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cathytree
回复 157楼cathy的马甲的帖子
我每天上班还路过一个联邦监狱,整个铁丝网圈起来的,按你的说法,也是集中营?傻不傻啊,铁丝网那是防逃犯的。
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huaren2018
来个文字版
拜登上台后中美高层首次面对面对话 激烈交锋火花四溅后开始坐下谈

拜登政府上台后中美高层首次面对面对话于北京时间3月19日凌晨5时在美国阿拉斯加州安克雷奇正式启动。出乎外界意料的是,通常只是供媒体拍个照的礼节性开场白阶段从几分钟延长到一个多小时,而双方的交流更是充满火药味和戏剧色彩——“这不是中方的初衷”,正如中国外交部发言人赵立坚所说,“是由于美方不遵守事先有关发言时间的约定,是美方挑衅在先”。俄罗斯外交部发言人扎哈罗娃19日在脸书上写道:“让我们回到我最喜欢的事情上——当美国人刻意羞辱同伴时,我们知道,如何让美国人‘坐下来’。今天杨洁篪向世界表明,中国人也知道。”不过,据美国有线电视新闻网(CNN)报道,之后闭门阶段的会议气氛“似乎较为融洽”。一名白宫高级官员在第一场对话结束后对记者说,会谈是“实质性、严肃和直接的”;中国国务委员兼外交部长王毅在结束第二场对话之后对记者表示,第二场对话还算顺利,谈了很多地区问题。
美方严重超时并挑衅
北京时间19日上午,中方代表团在第一场对话后发表声明说,中方带着诚意应邀来到安克雷奇同美方进行战略对话,并做好按双方事先商定的程序和安排开展对话的准备。但美方在先致开场白时严重超时,并对中国内外政策无理攻击指责,挑起争端。这不是待客之道,也不符合外交礼仪,中方对此作出了严正回应。
不少外媒的报道证实了中方的说法。据媒体披露,中美各有6名记者进入了会场里,听中美双方进行开场致辞。原计划这个开场白只有几分钟,但美方带头严重超时。新加坡《联合早报》19日报道称,在开场白阶段,美国国务卿布林肯“首先”谈到近期网络攻击、新疆穆斯林及香港问题,“他指中国的做法对国际秩序和人权构成威胁”。这位国务卿挑衅性地对在场记者介绍说,会上“将讨论中国所采取的一些举措,而这些举措是我们深切关注的,包括涉疆、涉港和涉台事务,对美国的网络攻击,对盟友采取经济胁迫措施。每个行动都会威胁到维护全球稳定、以规则为基础的秩序”。他还称,“这就是为什么它们不仅是内部问题,而我们今天觉得有义务在这里提及的原因”。
接着,美国总统国家安全事务助理沙利文表示,这些担忧“不仅是美国的,也来自美国的盟友和合作伙伴以及更广泛的国际社会”。他说,美方不寻求冲突,但欢迎激烈竞争,而且“将永远为了我们的原则、我们的人民和朋友挺身而出”。
“中国人不吃这一套”
美方严重超时发言后,中共中央政治局委员、中央外事工作委员会办公室主任杨洁篪立即用15分钟的时间进行严词反驳。他强调,美国没有资格居高临下同中国说话,中国人不吃这一套。“我们把你们想得太好了!我们认为你们会遵守基本的外交礼节。所以我们刚才必须阐明我们的立场。我现在讲一句,你们没有资格在中国的面前说,你们从实力的地位出发,同中国谈话。”
杨洁篪指出,中国不像美国动辄动用武力,造成世界动荡、不安。美国国内在人权等方面存在很多问题。美国应当做的是改变自己的形象,管好自己的事,而不应自己的问题没解决好,向世界转嫁矛盾、转移视线,不应对中国的人权、民主说三道四。中国共产党领导和中国政治制度得到中国人民衷心拥护,任何要改变中国社会制度的做法都是徒劳的。杨洁篪还呼吁美方放弃“长臂管辖”等错误做法,并称历史会证明,对中国采取“卡脖子”的办法,最后受损的是自己。
接着,王毅补充说:“中方过去、现在、将来都绝不会接受美国的无端指责,同时我们要求美方彻底放弃干涉中国内政的霸道行径。美国的这个老毛病要改一改了!”
路透社报道称,“杨洁篪的言论显然令布林肯感到吃惊”,于是美方又一次延长了时间。据CNN报道,王毅讲话后,布林肯叫在场已经开始收拾摄影器材的记者别走:“再等一下。”然后他又开始了长篇演说,大致的意思是,他承认美国“不完美”,同时坚决为美国在世界上的“领导地位”辩护,并引用拜登的话称“赌美国输从来不是一个好选择”。接着沙利文还搬出美国最近火星车登陆的例子,称美国的成功在于“不断自我革新的能力”。
“双方很快开始谈正事”
不过,香港《南华早报》报道说,有一些迹象表明,双方的情绪在闭门会谈中有所改善,双方都在设法为局势降温。据CNN报道,一名白宫高级官员在第一场对话结束后对记者说,在开场“互喷”之后,“双方很快开始谈正事”,“事实上,对话超过了我们预定的两小时”。他还说,对话是“实质性、严肃和直接的”。美方官员还表示,在第一场对话里,“我们概述了我们的利益和优先事项,也从中国同行那里听到了同样的话。”
北京时间19日11时30分至14时许,阿拉斯加中美高层战略对话又进行了第二场。王毅走出会场时对记者表示,第一场对话气氛谈不上紧张,各自阐述了自己立场,第二场对话还算顺利,谈了很多地区问题,“明天还有很多问题要谈”。中美在阿拉斯加的最后一场对话将于北京时间20日凌晨开始。
赵立坚19日在外交部例行记者会上表示,中国代表团成员抵达阿拉斯加的时候,不仅感受到了阿拉斯加寒冷的天气,也感受到了美国主人的待客之道。“这次开场白后面还有正餐。我们希望美方能够同中方相向而行,按照两国元首除夕通话的精神,聚焦合作、管控分歧,推动中美关系健康稳定发展。”
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哈哈哈,国内几个功成名就的同学说,一看就是演戏给老百姓看的安抚民心,真正会谈都在台面下;然后几个混的不咋地的同学,极其高潮,觉得自己是宇宙中心了。差距呀
babyflynn 发表于 2021-03-19 13:57

海外高潮的你是海外混的不咋滴的吧
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bluecrab
国内人民高潮中 你看抖音还有国内论坛上的反响 真的有种上帝欲使其灭亡必先使其疯狂的感觉
wfmlover 发表于 2021-03-19 13:54

你们唱中国要亡唱了多少年了,今年经费又来了?
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https://www.guancha.cn/internation/2021_03_19_584673.shtml
这里面的视频
Jingjing5 发表于 2021-03-19 13:51

杨主任不戴口罩,是川粉?
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比较好奇,中国这些高官都打了疫苗吗?国内的疫苗,可是给健康的成年人的,好像50?60岁以上是不符合打疫苗的标准
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回复 115楼Jingjing5的帖子
见你的鬼,原来真有这么多离岸红粉精分。从50年代三反,五反,四清,69-71”自然灾害“, 十年文革,89铲子党,人民从来没有选举权的地方都是精英掌权呢,在国外还能想墙里10几亿人尽顺摇来给别人灌输铲子的洗脑言论,非蠢即坏,睁开你的眼睛看看那是赵家人红三在继续“红色基因”。民主当然不是都好,但是是目前政治最好的制度。还有阿,那么喜欢”精英“掌权的地方,你咋不回去建设祖国去阿,精致的利己主意着像你这样的太多了

“美国那么急于推广民主是因为 现在世界上大部分国家都是民族国家, 要控制这样的国家,如果是这个民族的精英掌权,则很不容易,因为精英根据文字含义就很 “精”,很不好忽悠,知道什么符合自己民族的最佳利益,不容易被操纵; 相反要忽悠普通民族就容易多了,通过大众媒体控制普通群众的思想,然后通过控制洗脑普通群众 操作别国的选民选出一个傀儡政府,这样那这个国家就好控制多了”
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要说强硬还是大清最强硬啊,谈不拢就扣押英国39使臣,弄死一大半,剩下的疯了。其次强硬才是1949-72这段时期。现在的战狼比起大清那个僧格沁王算个毛啊哈哈。
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Yulanhua
楼上有些人自恨的奴才相真是叹为观止。中国沦为乌克兰叙利亚你才高兴吗?
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thymesu
看看美国人是怎么把日本人按在地上摩擦的,这次的反应很说明问题了。
掰叨叨 发表于 2021-03-20 01:07

日本和中国不好比吧!人口差那么大,如果美国和世界各国都不需要中国市场,美国还有可以搞一下中国。
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lucy2001
楼上有些人自恨的奴才相真是叹为观止。中国沦为乌克兰叙利亚你才高兴吗?
Yulanhua 发表于 2021-03-20 10:00


民主化后的中国就是人均2万多美元的大号台湾啊。你看不起中国人?还叙利亚。中东非洲再民主也比不过勤劳的东亚人。人种制度缺一不可。
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datoufeifei
脱钩已经开始好久了。
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majiademajia
小红书的粉红韭菜已经高潮,说要美国把阿拉斯加割给厉害国,哈哈哈哈哈哈,脸皮真厚
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MiuuiM
哈哈哈,国内几个功成名就的同学说,一看就是演戏给老百姓看的安抚民心,真正会谈都在台面下;然后几个混的不咋地的同学,极其高潮,觉得自己是宇宙中心了。差距呀
babyflynn 发表于 2021-03-19 13:57

怼了🇺🇸发言人,是怼了你爹吗? 土工即使很差,但是忍了这么多年,就要嘴上怼回来不行吗??? 以为还是清朝见到洋人要跪吗😂😂😂
自己去翻翻YouTube,好多马来西亚人 新加坡人 一小部分香港人都表示赞同,终于有人敢和美国大小声了。。。
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MiuuiM
都是演戏,认真你就输了。
hxx093020 发表于 2021-03-19 14:04

演戏呵呵有空陪你演? 中方翻译的时候。明显🇺🇸发言人眼睛都要喷火,要打人的样子。 另一个发言人一幅居高临下,看不起华人的样子
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回复 33楼tropicalfog的帖子
那是因为英文(特别是书面)从来搞不出那么低级以及negative 的恶意 就好像英文一般表达不会说“我不骗你,” 而总是用“相信我”来表达。很多类似的表达...这个翻译要是直接字译会被恶心死
jennyjiang 发表于 2021-03-19 23:31

那确实没有🇺🇸主子牛P 侵略 践踏 歧视都可以包装成儒雅绅士。真是好棒棒呢 和虚伪的你绝配。
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怼了🇺🇸发言人,是怼了你爹吗? 土工即使很差,但是忍了这么多年,就要嘴上怼回来不行吗??? 以为还是清朝见到洋人要跪吗😂😂😂
自己去翻翻YouTube,好多马来西亚人 新加坡人 一小部分香港人都表示赞同,终于有人敢和美国大小声了。。。
MiuuiM 发表于 2021-03-20 10:44

说的好。
有日子没在闲话版见独轮运反中老将们撒泼打滚了, 以为大选之后都x光光了,原来还很多
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Biden administration has no bone. Trump is personally pro-dictatorship but his team is not.
1). Break the internet connection with CHINA as the first step to welcome CHINA Communist Party.
2). Make new laws to delist all china companies from US stock market, and prevent US investment to any CHINESE companies with over 90% tax rate for positive return and 50% tax rate for pure investment loss. Put 50-80% tax rate on any American business who set up factories and facilities in CHINA. 
3). Suspend all educational and exchange visa programs with CHINA. 
4). Ban any business with Chinese financial institutes
Write to your senators and congressional men/women to express your ideas how to face the aggression of the Chinese Communist Party
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从来不差反美群体。 当年北京城一日之间反美口号都被红漆涂上了, 第二天尼克松访华。 但那红漆后面还能看得出‘打败美帝野心狼’, ‘世界革命万岁’等字眼。搞得好像被凌辱多年, 终于翻身出口怨气, 那早干嘛去了?

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Warrent Buffet investment in BYD purely helped the enemy grow stronger and should be taxed with over 90% on the return.
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brettfox
一开始美国两位的口气确实比较直接,说了我对于你们中国有意见,一是你们对于新疆,香港和台湾有问题,二是你对于我们盟友有问题。我们接下来几天要跟你们谈谈,你们得改。这个口气在中国人听来确实来者不善,又加上在会议之前就搞了一把小动作。结果把杨和王气的不行,情绪激动就说出来了。估计也不是事先准备的。后来的事就更有意思了,美国两位说我已经和我们盟友打过招呼了啊,我们一致认为你们中国需要改变。
这个事吧,不知道你怎么想。我感觉美国自己一向主持世界话语权惯了,把联合国也从来没有当回事,美国的规则就是世界规则。时间长了自己也相信了。现在有个国家过来反问一下,美国人有点吃惊。
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US-CHINA TENSIONS How it happened: Transcript of the US-China opening remarks in Alaska China's Yang: 'Is that the way that you had hoped to conduct this dialogue?' U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken speaks as Chinese Communist Party foreign affairs chief Yang Jiechi and Foreign Minister Wang Yi listen at the opening session of bilateral talks at the Captain Cook Hotel in Anchorage, Alaska, on March 18. © AP March 19, 2021 22:54 JST





NEW YORK -- This is a U.S. State Department transcript of the opening remarks at the U.S.-China meeting in Anchorage, Alaska, on Thursday, attended by Secretary of State Antony Blinken, national security adviser Jake Sullivan, Chinese Director of the Office of the Central Commission for Foreign Affairs Yang Jiechi and Foreign Minister Wang Yi. BLINKEN: Well, good afternoon, and welcome. On behalf of national security adviser Sullivan and myself, I want to welcome Director Yang and State Councilor Wang to Alaska, and to thank you very much for making the journey to be with us. I just returned myself from meetings with Secretary of Defense [Lloyd] Austin and our counterparts in Japan and the Republic of Korea, two of our nation's closest allies. They were very interested in the discussions that we'll have here today and tomorrow because the issues that we'll raise are relevant not only to China and the United States, but to others across the region and indeed around the world. Our administration is committed to leading with diplomacy to advance the interests of the United States and to strengthen the rules-based international order. That system is not an abstraction. It helps countries resolve differences peacefully, coordinate multilateral efforts effectively and participate in global commerce with the assurance that everyone is following the same rules. The alternative to a rules-based order is a world in which might makes right and winners take all, and that would be a far more violent and unstable world for all of us. Today, we'll have an opportunity to discuss key priorities, both domestic and global, so that China can better understand our administration's intentions and approach. We'll also discuss our deep concerns with actions by China, including in Xinjiang, Hong Kong, Taiwan, cyberattacks on the United States and economic coercion toward our allies. Each of these actions threaten the rules-based order that maintains global stability. That's why they're not merely internal matters and why we feel an obligation to raise these issues here today. I said that the United States' relationship with China will be competitive where it should be, collaborative where it can be, adversarial where it must be. Our discussions here in Alaska, I suspect, will run the gamut. Our intent is to be direct about our concerns, direct about our priorities, with the goal of a more clear-eyed relationship between our countries moving forward. Thank you for being here. "Each of these actions threaten the rules-based order that maintains global stability. That's why they're not merely internal matters" Blinken And before turning to you, Mr. Director, I'd like to invite national security adviser Sullivan to say a few words. SULLIVAN: Thank you, Mr. Secretary, and welcome to Director Yang and State Councilor Wang. It's fitting that we're meeting here in Alaska. We may be far from the continental United States, but there are few places that are as quintessentially American: big-hearted, resilient, intrepid. This is truly a fitting place for us to host this meeting. Secretary Blinken and I are proud of the story about America we're able to tell here, about a country that, under President Biden's leadership, has made major strides to control the pandemic, to rescue our economy and to affirm the strength and staying power of our democracy. We're particularly proud of the work that we've done to revitalize our alliances and partnerships, the foundation of our foreign policy. Just last week, President Biden hosted the Quad leaders' summit that spoke to the can-do spirit of the world's democracies and committed to realize the vision of a free and open Indo-Pacific. It is through partnerships like these that all of us can deliver progress and prosperity for our peoples. SEE ALSO
Gloves off in Alaska as US and China spar over new world order Secretary Blinken laid out many of the areas of concern, from economic and military coercion to assaults on basic values, that we'll discuss with you today and in the days ahead. We'll do so frankly, directly and with clarity. These are the concerns that are on the minds of the American people, but it goes beyond that. We've heard each of these concerns posed from around the world -- from our allies and partners to the broader international community during the intensive consultations we've undertaken in the last two months. We'll make clear today that our overriding priority from the United States' side is to ensure that our approach in the world and our approach to China benefits the American people and protects the interests of our allies and partners. We do not seek conflict, but we welcome stiff competition and we will always stand up for our principles, for our people and for our friends. We look forward to discussing all of these matters with you in the hours ahead. Thank you. "We've heard each of these concerns posed from around the world" Sullivan  YANG: (In Mandarin). It's a test for the interpreter. BLINKEN: We're going to give the translator a raise. (Laughter.) YANG: (Via interpreter) Secretary Blinken and Mr. Sullivan, the State Councilor and Foreign Minister Wang Yi and I have come to Anchorage, the United States, to have this strategic dialogue with the United States. We hope that this dialogue will be a sincere and candid one. Both China and the United States are major countries in the world, and together we shoulder important responsibilities to the peace, stability and development of the world and the region. In China, we have just concluded the Lianghui, or the two sessions of the National People's Congress and the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference. During the sessions, we adopted the outline for the 14th five-year economic and social development plan and the long-range objectives through the year 2035. For China, we are now in a historic year where we will move from finishing the first centenary goal to the second centenary goal, and by the year 2035 China will surely achieve basic modernization. And by the year 2050, China will achieve full modernization. China has made decisive achievements and important strategic gains in fighting COVID-19, and we have achieved a full victory in ending absolute poverty in China. China's per-capita GDP is only one-fifth of that of the United States, but we have managed to end absolute poverty for all people in China. And we hope that other countries, especially the advanced countries, will make similar efforts in this regard. And China has also made historic achievements in building the country into a moderately prosperous one in all respects. The Chinese people are wholly rallying around the Communist Party of China. Our values are the same as the common values of humanity. Those are: peace, development, fairness, justice, freedom and democracy. "By the year 2035 China will surely achieve basic modernization. And by the year 2050, China will achieve full modernization" Yang What China and the international community follow or uphold is the United Nations-centered international system and the international order underpinned by international law, not what is advocated by a small number of countries of the so-called rules-based international order. And the United States has its style -- United States-style democracy -- and China has the Chinese-style democracy. It is not just up to the American people, but also the people of the world, to evaluate how the United States has done in advancing its own democracy. In China's case, after decades of reform and opening up, we have come a long way in various fields. In particular, we have engaged in tireless efforts to contribute to the peace and development of the world, and to upholding the purposes and principles of the U.N. Charter. The wars in this world are launched by some other countries, which have resulted in massive casualties. But for China, what we have asked for, for other countries, is to follow a path of peaceful development, and this is the purpose of our foreign policy. We do not believe in invading through the use of force, or to topple other regimes through various means, or to massacre the people of other countries, because all of those would only cause turmoil and instability in this world. And at the end of the day, all of those would not serve the United States well. So we believe that it is important for the United States to change its own image and to stop advancing its own democracy in the rest of the world. Many people within the United States actually have little confidence in the democracy of the United States, and they have various views regarding the government of the United States. In China, according to opinion polls, the leaders of China have the wide support of the Chinese people. So no attempt to -- the opinion polls conducted in the United States show that the leaders of China have the support of the Chinese people. No attempt to smear China's social system would get anywhere. Facts have shown that such practices would only lead the Chinese people to rally more closely around the Communist Party of China and work steadily towards the goals that we have set for ourselves.  
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In 1952, China adopted its first five-year development plan, and now we are into the first year of the 14th five-year development plan. We will continue along this path, step by step. China's development is not just about delivering benefits for the people of China, but also about contributing to the development of the world in the 21st century. China and the United States are both major countries and both shoulder important responsibilities. We must both contribute to the peace, stability and development of the world in areas such as COVID-19, restoring economic activities in the world and responding to climate change. There are many things that we can do together and where our interests converge. So what we need to do is to abandon the Cold War mentality and the zero-sum game approach. We must change the way we think and make sure that in this century, the 21st century, countries big or small, particularly the big countries, should come united together to contribute to the future of humanity and build a community with a shared future for humankind. It's also important for all of us to come together to build a new type of international relations, ensuring fairness, justice and mutual respect. And on some regional issues, I think the problem is that the United States has exercised long-arm jurisdiction and suppression and overstretched the national security through the use of force or financial hegemony, and this has created obstacles for normal trade activities, and the United States has also been persuading some countries to launch attacks on China. And as for China, we believe and we have handled import- and export-related issues according to scientific and technological standards. Secretary Blinken, you said you just came back from Japan and the ROK. Those two countries are China's second- and the third-largest trading partners. [The Association of Southeast Asian Nations] has now become China's largest trading partner, overtaking the European Union and the United States. So we do hope that the United States will develop sound relations with all countries in the Asia-Pacific. We should have many mutual friends. This is the right way forward in the 21st century. On the eve of the Chinese Lunar New Year, President Xi Jinping and President Joe Biden had a phone conversation. The two presidents agreed to step up communication, manage differences and expand cooperation between our two countries. We are having this dialogue today to follow up on the common understanding of the two presidents reached during their phone conversation. And having this dialogue is, in fact, a decision made by the two presidents. So for the people of the two countries and the world, they're hoping to see practical outcomes coming out of our dialogue. And with Xinjiang, Tibet and Taiwan, they are an inalienable part of China's territory. China is firmly opposed to U.S. interference in China's internal affairs. We have expressed our staunch opposition to such interference, and we will take firm actions in response. On human rights, we hope that the United States will do better on human rights. China has made steady progress in human rights, and the fact is that there are many problems within the United States regarding human rights, which is admitted by the U.S. itself as well. The United States has also said that countries can't rely on force in today's world to resolve the challenges we face. And it is a failure to use various means to topple the so-called authoritarian states. And the challenges facing the United States in human rights are deep-seated. They did not just emerge over the past four years, such as Black Lives Matter. It did not come up only recently. So we do hope that for our two countries, it's important that we manage our respective affairs well instead of deflecting the blame on somebody else in this world. "We've had confrontation in the past, and the result did not serve the United States well. China will pull through and has pulled through such confrontation" Yang And for China, we will manage our own affairs well, and we hope to deliver a better life for our 1.4 billion Chinese people. This is the goal of China's diplomacy. And also, we will make our contribution to the peace and stability of the world. Since breaking the ice between our two countries in our engagement several decades ago, China and the United States have achieved a lot together. This is the result of the concerted efforts of the people with vision of both countries, and this past is a part of our achievements. Although so much has changed in this world, it is important that our two countries think about how we can work together and expand our cooperation under the new circumstances. If there is competition between our two countries, I think the competition focuses on the economic aspect, and in this area, as I have said just now, for frictions in our economic engagement, it is important to respond to them in a rational way and seek win-win results. And China-U.S. trade has already achieved a lot, and we should do even better. The overwhelming majority of American businesses in China have said that China's business environment is good and nobody has forced them to stay in China. They see a profit coming from their presence in China, and they see immense opportunities in China. That's why they are staying in China. And I believe that for our two countries, under the new circumstances, we need to enhance communication, properly manage our differences and expand our cooperation instead of engaging in confrontation. But between our two countries we've had confrontation in the past, and the result did not serve the United States well. What did the United States gain from that confrontation? I didn't see any, and the only result was damages done to United States. And China will pull through and has pulled through such confrontation. So the way we see the relationship with the United States is as President Xi Jinping has said -- that is, we hope to see no confrontation, no conflict, mutual respect and win-win cooperation with the United States. And actually, during the phone call between the presidents, President Biden himself also talked about the importance of having no conflict or confrontation between our two countries. So at our level, I think it's vital that we do everything we can to fully and faithfully follow up and implement the understandings reached between our two presidents and bring back the China-U.S. relationship to the track of sound and steady growth. On cyberattacks, let me say that whether it's the ability to launch cyberattacks or the technologies that could be deployed, the United States is the champion in this regard. You can't blame this problem on somebody else. The United States itself does not represent international public opinion, and neither does the Western world. Whether judged by population scale or the trend of the world, the Western world does not represent the global public opinion. So we hope that when talking about universal values or international public opinion on the part of the United States, we hope the U.S. side will think about whether it feels reassured in saying those things, because the U.S. does not represent the world. It only represents the government of the United States. I don't think the overwhelming majority of countries in the world would recognize that the universal values advocated by the United States or that the opinion of the United States could represent international public opinion, and those countries would not recognize that the rules made by a small number of people would serve as the basis for the international order. Because, Mr. Secretary and NSA Sullivan, you have delivered some quite different opening remarks, mine will be slightly different as well. WANG: (Via interpreter) Well, I will stay quite brief compared with Director Yang. Secretary Blinken, NSA Sullivan, you have been involved in the relationship with China for many years, so you're also true friends for the Chinese people. And I would say that I am pleased to meet you today, and China -- the Chinese delegation -- is here at the invitation of the United States. And as NSA Sullivan said, Anchorage is the midpoint of the air route connecting our two countries, and it is fair to say that this place is a refueling station for China-U.S. exchanges and also a place that China and the United States can meet each other halfway. And China certainly in the past has not and in the future will not accept the unwarranted accusations from the U.S. side. In the past several years, China's legitimate rights and interests have come under outright suppression, plunging the China-U.S. relationship into a period of unprecedented difficulty. This has damaged the interests of our two peoples and taken its toll on world stability and development, and this situation must no longer continue. China urges the U.S. side to fully abandon the hegemonic practice of willfully interfering in China's internal affairs. This has been a longstanding issue, and it should be changed. It is time for it to change. And in particular, on the 17th of March, the United States escalated its so-called sanctions on China regarding Hong Kong, and the Chinese people are outraged by this gross interference in China's internal affairs and the Chinese side is firmly opposed to it. "On the 17th of March, the United States escalated its so-called sanctions on China regarding Hong Kong, and the Chinese people are outraged" Wang Anchorage is a midpoint between China and the United States, but after all, it's still the United States territory, and I accept that the Chinese delegation has come here at the invitation of the United States. However, just the other day, before our departure, the United States passed these new sanctions. This is not supposed to be the way one should welcome his guests, and we wonder if this is a decision made by the United States to try to gain some advantage in dealing with China, but certainly this is miscalculated and only reflects the vulnerability and weakness inside the United States. And this will not shake China's position or resolve on those issues. And let me also say that the phone conversation that President Xi Jinping and President Biden had on the eve of the Chinese New Year is a very important one, and during this phone conversation they agreed to some common understandings that have pointed the way forward for us to bring back the China-U.S. relationship onto the right track. And the international community is following very closely our dialogue for today and tomorrow. They're watching whether our two sides will each demonstrate goodwill and sincerity, and they are watching whether this dialogue will send out a positive signal to the world. So we will be watching what will happen today and tomorrow, and if United States is willing, I think our two sides should step up to this responsibility and deliver on this task that we are given. I will stop here. Thank you. BLINKEN: Thank you very much. Mr. Director, State Councilor, given your extended remarks, permit me, please, to add just a few of my own before we get down to work, and I know Mr. Sullivan may have things to say as well. I have to tell you, in my short time as secretary of state, I have spoken to, I think, nearly a hundred counterparts from around the world, and I just made my first trip, as I noted, to Japan and South Korea. I have to tell you, what I'm hearing is very different from what you described. I'm hearing deep satisfaction that the United States is back, that we're reengaged with our allies and partners. I'm also hearing deep concern about some of the actions your government has taken, and we'll have an opportunity to discuss those when we get down to work. "In my short time as secretary of state, I have spoken to nearly a hundred counterparts from around the world. I have to tell you, what I'm hearing is very different from what you described" Blinken A hallmark of our leadership, of our engagement in the world, is our alliances and our partnerships that have been built on a totally voluntary basis. And it is something that President Biden is committed to reinvigorating. And there's one more hallmark of our leadership here at home, and that's a constant quest to, as we say, form a more perfect union. And that quest, by definition, acknowledges our imperfections, acknowledges that we're not perfect. We make mistakes, we have reversals, we take steps back. But what we've done throughout our history is to confront those challenges openly, publicly, transparently, not trying to ignore them, not trying to pretend they don't exist, not trying to sweep them under a rug. And sometimes it's painful, sometimes it's ugly, but each and every time, we have come out stronger, better, more united as a country. I recall well when President Biden was vice president and we were visiting China. This was in the wake of the financial crisis. There was much discussion then, including with then-Vice President Xi Jinping. And Vice President Biden at the time said it's never a good bet to bet against America, and it's true today. STAFF: Thank you, press. SULLIVAN: Just briefly, to add to what Secretary Blinken has said -- because I was actually going to make the same point without us even consulting -- a confident country is able to look hard at its own shortcomings and constantly seek to improve. And that is the secret sauce of America. The other secret sauce of America is that our people are a problem-solving people, and we believe we solve problems best when we work together with allies and partners around the world. Just a couple of weeks ago, the United States landed another rover on Mars, and it wasn't just an American project. It had technology from multiple countries from Europe and other parts of the world. It is also going to leave behind a collection of material [from] Mars that the United States and Europe will build a device that can fly there to pick it up and bring it back. That is what can be accomplished by a country that is constantly reinventing itself, working closely with others and seeking constantly to produce the kind of progress that benefits all of us, and is rooted in a concept of human dignity and human rights that is truly universal that every man, woman and child in this world aspires to. So we will look forward to the conversation today, but I do hope this conversation will be one carried out with confidence on both sides. So it's not lectures or long, winding statements; it's the opportunity for us to explain where we're coming from, to hear where you are coming from and to indicate, at bottom, what our principles, our priorities and our long-term strategies are. That's what we hope for in the dialogue that lies ahead, that is the spirit with which we approach this, and we look forward to continuing the discussion today. Thank you, everybody. STAFF: Thank you very much, everyone. YANG: (Via interpreter) Well, it was my bad. When I entered this room, I should have reminded the U.S. side of paying attention to its tone in our respective opening remarks, but I didn't. The Chinese side felt compelled to make this speech because of the tone of the U.S. side. Well, isn't this the intention of the United States -- judging from what, or the way that you have made your opening remarks -- that it wants to speak to China in a condescending way from a position of strength? So was this carefully all planned and was it carefully orchestrated with all the preparations in place? Is that the way that you had hoped to conduct this dialogue? Well, I think we thought too well of the United States. We thought that the U.S. side will follow the necessary diplomatic protocols. So for China it was necessary that we made our position clear. So let me say here that, in front of the Chinese side, the United States does not have the qualification to say that it wants to speak to China from a position of strength. The U.S. side was not even qualified to say such things even 20 years or 30 years back, because this is not the way to deal with the Chinese people. If the United States wants to deal properly with the Chinese side, then let's follow the necessary protocols and do things the right way. "Well, I think we thought too well of the United States. We thought that the U.S. side will follow the necessary diplomatic protocols" Yang Cooperation benefits both sides. In particular, this is the expectation of the people of the world. Well, the American people are certainly a great people, but so are the Chinese people. So have the Chinese people not suffered enough in the past from the foreign countries? Well, at times I have not been sure since China started being encircled by the foreign countries. Well, as long as China's system is right with the wisdom of the Chinese people, there is no way to strangle China. Our history will show that one can only cause damages to himself if he wants to strangle or suppress the Chinese people. While the United States has talked about its cooperation to land on some other planet with the European side, well, China would welcome it if there is a will to carry out similar cooperation from the United States with us. I'll stop here. Would the state councilor wish to add? WANG: (Via interpreter) Secretary Blinken and NSA Sullivan, you mentioned that during your engagements and the visit that Mr. Secretary had just recently, the two countries you visited mentioned coercion from China. We don't know if this is a direct complaint coming from those countries that you visited, or is it just the United States' own view? Well, I think for those relationships, it brings in China's relationship with the United States, with Japan and with Australia. I don't think we could know from all being together, because for all of those instances, they each have their own set of issues and different positions are involved. So to accuse China of coercion even before sharing the relevant views with China, is this the right act to do? Of course not. If the United States would indiscriminately protest and speak up for those countries just because they are your allies or partners, we believe for the long term (inaudible), then it will be very difficult for international relations to develop properly. So we don't think one should be so testy as to accuse some other country of coercion. Who is coercing whom? I think history and the international community will come to their own conclusions. But if the United States is interested in having those discussions with China, then we are ready to have those discussions with the U.S. side, but based on mutual respect so that we can increase our mutual understanding on those issues.
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见你的鬼,原来真有这么多离岸红粉精分。从50年代三反,五反,四清,69-71”自然灾害“, 十年文革,89铲子党,人民从来没有选举权的地方都是精英掌权呢,在国外还能想墙里10几亿人尽顺摇来给别人灌输铲子的洗脑言论,非蠢即坏,睁开你的眼睛看看那是赵家人红三在继续“红色基因”。民主当然不是都好,但是是目前政治最好的制度。还有阿,那么喜欢”精英“掌权的地方,你咋不回去建设祖国去阿,精致的利己主意着像你这样的太多了

“美国那么急于推广民主是因为 现在世界上大部分国家都是民族国家, 要控制这样的国家,如果是这个民族的精英掌权,则很不容易,因为精英根据文字含义就很 “精”,很不好忽悠,知道什么符合自己民族的最佳利益,不容易被操纵; 相反要忽悠普通民族就容易多了,通过大众媒体控制普通群众的思想,然后通过控制洗脑普通群众 操作别国的选民选出一个傀儡政府,这样那这个国家就好控制多了”
sunychen23 发表于 2021-03-20 09:27

说你傻你还不相信。 但是你这么评论我也不知道你到底带着何种目的。 所以呢,你也不一定是真的傻。
你凭什么说民主是现在最好的制度? 就凭你一张嘴? 开什么玩笑。 就凭cnn bbc 天天那么忽悠? 我承认我当初也是被这些西方媒体给忽悠了。没办法,毕竟那时年轻嘛,而且不得不承认媒体的洗脑术太厉害了。 但是我已经在美国观察了两届总统选举了。 尤其这次2020的选举,trump总统还不想交权,还煽动国会闹事。 让全世界人民唏嘘。美国还是一个实行了几百年民主的成熟民主社会,还发生了这样的事,要是中国实行了民主,你说会发生什么事?我们在美的华人,能走出国了,在某种程度算是精英,反正我是从小学到高中都是一直数学奥数,后面一直物理化学奥数,结果就这么几个华人,在一个论坛上居然能争成这样,还好隔着屏幕,打不起架来,不然就互相干死对方了,不用白人种族主义动手。 要是放到中国,14亿人,那是一个复杂的多的系统了, 难道你真的想看14亿人中的7亿人和7亿人互殴嘛,额,反正死道友不死贫道,死的又不是你是么? 如果这样的话 ,我就觉得你一点人性都没有。 在我自己看来,就算我已经移民美国了,我也希望国内的人民能安居乐业,是同胞啊。
再说,对于跟古希腊一脉相承的美国,美国实行民主可能是最合适的制度,毕竟有历史渊源嘛,但中国有2000年历史的封建集权统治,文化里面对于中央集权的文化根深蒂固,怎么可能是一朝一夕就能改的了能实行民主的? 这种民族背景喝文化都完全不一样,土壤不一样,所谓橘生淮南则为橘,橘生淮北则为籽,就算美式民主在美国是好的制度,也不一定意味着同样在中国会是好的制度。如果那样的话你就说 刻舟求剑了。 就算一个大胖子一顿是10斤粮食,粮食是好东西,然后有一个好心人也这样对你给你喂10斤,那不是弄巧成拙把你给噎死了吗? 何况美国还是中国的竞争对手,并不是好心人
所以应该怎么弄? 应该讲究事实求是啊。什么样的制度更适合中国就应该选择什么制度。至于说到底现在中国的制度好不好, 我只看到中国在现在的制度下在不断发展,人民生活水平在不断提高,甚至包括我自己来美国都是这种发展的结果,并且中国现在发展的水平比包括美国在内的很多国家还要发展的快,那你还有甚么要求呢? 难道你想一下跳成特朗普变成亿万富翁? 特朗普亿万富翁那是他爷爷辈就开始积累来几代人的结果,哪里能够一触而就呢? 美国一直指责中国的人权,你去看各种各样的视频,看中国的外交口径是怎么回复的。 那些发言人一直回复的是 中国的人权一直是在稳定的进步。 这话里就承认里中国人权确实不是那么的好。可是那能怎么样,一口吃不成一个胖子,一个贫苦人一天变成不了特朗普,中国100年前还有太监里。你看到现在有多大的进步。 你看美国的人权,100年前还有排华法案呢,直到1945年才撤销,因为二战中美是盟国。60年前黑人还不允许上大学呢,肯尼迪总统派军队去保护一个黑人学生上大学。现在虽说美国的人权进步了很多,但并不是说没有任何问题的。
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洗大大一统天下,万寿无疆,临幸中国人民万年长是最好的制度,没有争议
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一开始美国两位的口气确实比较直接,说了我对于你们中国有意见,一是你们对于新疆,香港和台湾有问题,二是你对于我们盟友有问题。我们接下来几天要跟你们谈谈,你们得改。这个口气在中国人听来确实来者不善,又加上在会议之前就搞了一把小动作。结果把杨和王气的不行,情绪激动就说出来了。估计也不是事先准备的。后来的事就更有意思了,美国两位说我已经和我们盟友打过招呼了啊,我们一致认为你们中国需要改变。
这个事吧,不知道你怎么想。我感觉美国自己一向主持世界话语权惯了,把联合国也从来没有当回事,美国的规则就是世界规则。时间长了自己也相信了。现在有个国家过来反问一下,美国人有点吃惊。
brettfox 发表于 2021-03-20 11:31

是的,我感觉现在很多美国人就像当初鸦片战争时的中国人一样,还一样完全一天朝上国人的心态自居,世界已经发展了而不自知。
当然了,现在美国对于中国还有很多优势,比如说高科技,人才,资源,还有之前的底子。 但是现在美国的实力相较于二战之后 和冷战之后 对全世界碾压式的存在,只能说现在真的不是那个时代了。
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whiteriver
Suspend all relationships with CHINA, including economic, financial, educational, travel, investment, communication and social ties.
After that, start the real negotiation with the Chinese Communist Party.
暖阳nini
老美洗脑老百姓的功夫是很厉害的 自己都破成什么样了,老百姓还以为天下第一。反亚裔的也是那些被洗脑的老百姓干出来的事情,自己穷了就怪中国怪亚裔。都是你们来把我们的好日子给抢了。
life99f 发表于 2021-03-19 14:20

不一定洗脑,感觉美国从上到下,都挺自大的😅
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Haribough
说你傻你还不相信。 但是你这么评论我也不知道你到底带着何种目的。 所以呢,你也不一定是真的傻。
你凭什么说民主是现在最好的制度? 就凭你一张嘴? 开什么玩笑。 就凭cnn bbc 天天那么忽悠? 我承认我当初也是被这些西方媒体给忽悠了。没办法,毕竟那时年轻嘛,而且不得不承认媒体的洗脑术太厉害了。 但是我已经在美国观察了两届总统选举了。 尤其这次2020的选举,trump总统还不想交权,还煽动国会闹事。 让全世界人民唏嘘。美国还是一个实行了几百年民主的成熟民主社会,还发生了这样的事,要是中国实行了民主,你说会发生什么事?我们在美的华人,能走出国了,在某种程度算是精英,反正我是从小学到高中都是一直数学奥数,后面一直物理化学奥数,结果就这么几个华人,在一个论坛上居然能争成这样,还好隔着屏幕,打不起架来,不然就互相干死对方了,不用白人种族主义动手。 要是放到中国,14亿人,那是一个复杂的多的系统了, 难道你真的想看14亿人中的7亿人和7亿人互殴嘛,额,反正死道友不死贫道,死的又不是你是么? 如果这样的话 ,我就觉得你一点人性都没有。 在我自己看来,就算我已经移民美国了,我也希望国内的人民能安居乐业,是同胞啊。
再说,对于跟古希腊一脉相承的美国,美国实行民主可能是最合适的制度,毕竟有历史渊源嘛,但中国有2000年历史的封建集权统治,文化里面对于中央集权的文化根深蒂固,怎么可能是一朝一夕就能改的了能实行民主的? 这种民族背景喝文化都完全不一样,土壤不一样,所谓橘生淮南则为橘,橘生淮北则为籽,就算美式民主在美国是好的制度,也不一定意味着同样在中国会是好的制度。如果那样的话你就说 刻舟求剑了。 就算一个大胖子一顿是10斤粮食,粮食是好东西,然后有一个好心人也这样对你给你喂10斤,那不是弄巧成拙把你给噎死了吗? 何况美国还是中国的竞争对手,并不是好心人
所以应该怎么弄? 应该讲究事实求是啊。什么样的制度更适合中国就应该选择什么制度。至于说到底现在中国的制度好不好, 我只看到中国在现在的制度下在不断发展,人民生活水平在不断提高,甚至包括我自己来美国都是这种发展的结果,并且中国现在发展的水平比包括美国在内的很多国家还要发展的快,那你还有甚么要求呢? 难道你想一下跳成特朗普变成亿万富翁? 特朗普亿万富翁那是他爷爷辈就开始积累来几代人的结果,哪里能够一触而就呢? 美国一直指责中国的人权,你去看各种各样的视频,看中国的外交口径是怎么回复的。 那些发言人一直回复的是 中国的人权一直是在稳定的进步。 这话里就承认里中国人权确实不是那么的好。可是那能怎么样,一口吃不成一个胖子,一个贫苦人一天变成不了特朗普,中国100年前还有太监里。你看到现在有多大的进步。 你看美国的人权,100年前还有排华法案呢,直到1945年才撤销,因为二战中美是盟国。60年前黑人还不允许上大学呢,肯尼迪总统派军队去保护一个黑人学生上大学。现在虽说美国的人权进步了很多,但并不是说没有任何问题的。
Jingjing5 发表于 2021-03-20 11:38

民主制度不是完美的,但至少解决了权力交接和权力制约的问题。历史已经表明,个人独裁不可延续。本来邓小平以后,虽然中国还是一党专政,但言论逐渐开放,领导人之间交接有序,我还曾幻想能够产生一种不同于西方的制度。习上任以来,不仅收紧言路,而且大搞个人崇拜,修改宪法,定为一尊。把一党独裁恶化为一人独裁。不要说习本人志大才疏,却无人制约。就算他是个明君,他死后怎么办?接班人在哪里?看看世界上这些个人独裁的国家,往往强人一死,国家就陷入混乱。中国是否能不同呢?
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sunychen23
回复 182楼Jingjing5的帖子
这么看你是拽着明白装糊涂和德州陈平长岛李毅一类的骨子里坏的那种,这里只有你自己的判断没有什么西方媒体洗脑,因为你想看中国媒体没人拦着你阿,你愿意天天看新闻联播没人care, 问题是你自己愿意吗?至于说什么中国人不适合民主制度那套老掉牙的把戏,你就省省吧,那是铲子盗窃袁大头称帝时侯说的话,你自己好意思嘛,台湾新加坡天天乱成一团了不成,对在铲子嘴里台湾大概是黑成那样的,你自己到台湾旅游一趟不就知道啥是真实情况了。中国的政治环境这几年大家都看的清清楚楚,不是在前进是大幅度的倒退。中国面临的问题远不是什么和美国以后能PK,是上面那个傻货翘掉之后会面临的怎样的乱局。还有阿,派过来8年才经历两届大选的人还是不要那么制度自信的好LOL
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yolandos
Suspend all relationships with CHINA, including economic, financial, educational, travel, investment, communication and social ties.
After that, start the real negotiation with the Chinese Communist Party.
whiteriver 发表于 2021-03-20 11:48

There is really no need for that as ultimately that will adversely impact people's lives on both sides but having no or little impact on those who are in power.
What U.S. has given up is the idea that economic improvement across the isle can bring idealogical change which we all know is a pie in the sky to start with.
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whiteriver
回复 189楼yolandos的帖子

Otherwise, you are helping enemy grow stronger everyday. You will pay much higher price later.
If XI JP continues ruling china, USA and CHINA will have a real war in the near future.
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brettfox
民主制度不是完美的,但至少解决了权力交接和权力制约的问题。历史已经表明,个人独裁不可延续。本来邓小平以后,虽然中国还是一党专政,但言论逐渐开放,领导人之间交接有序,我还曾幻想能够产生一种不同于西方的制度。习上任以来,不仅收紧言路,而且修改宪法,定为一尊。把一党独裁恶化为一人独裁。不要说习本人志大才疏,却无人制约。就算他是个明君,他死后怎么办?接班人在哪里?看看世界上这些个人独裁的国家,往往强人一死,国家就陷入混乱。中国是否能不同呢?
Haribough 发表于 2021-03-20 12:06

非常同意这位说的。一党专政和民主可能都行。主要问题是能不能实行领导人正常更替。社会就像开车,直着开肯定快,但是就怕到时候错了需要拐大弯。左右来回调整一下长期看会更好一些。
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vincentsjtu
哈哈哈,国内几个功成名就的同学说,一看就是演戏给老百姓看的安抚民心,真正会谈都在台面下;然后几个混的不咋地的同学,极其高潮,觉得自己是宇宙中心了。差距呀
babyflynn 发表于 2021-03-19 13:57

功成名就的人干嘛待在中国看中国笑话啊
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Blingling
说你傻你还不相信。 但是你这么评论我也不知道你到底带着何种目的。 所以呢,你也不一定是真的傻。
你凭什么说民主是现在最好的制度? 就凭你一张嘴? 开什么玩笑。 就凭cnn bbc 天天那么忽悠? 我承认我当初也是被这些西方媒体给忽悠了。没办法,毕竟那时年轻嘛,而且不得不承认媒体的洗脑术太厉害了。 但是我已经在美国观察了两届总统选举了。 尤其这次2020的选举,trump总统还不想交权,还煽动国会闹事。 让全世界人民唏嘘。美国还是一个实行了几百年民主的成熟民主社会,还发生了这样的事,要是中国实行了民主,你说会发生什么事?我们在美的华人,能走出国了,在某种程度算是精英,反正我是从小学到高中都是一直数学奥数,后面一直物理化学奥数,结果就这么几个华人,在一个论坛上居然能争成这样,还好隔着屏幕,打不起架来,不然就互相干死对方了,不用白人种族主义动手。 要是放到中国,14亿人,那是一个复杂的多的系统了, 难道你真的想看14亿人中的7亿人和7亿人互殴嘛,额,反正死道友不死贫道,死的又不是你是么? 如果这样的话 ,我就觉得你一点人性都没有。 在我自己看来,就算我已经移民美国了,我也希望国内的人民能安居乐业,是同胞啊。
再说,对于跟古希腊一脉相承的美国,美国实行民主可能是最合适的制度,毕竟有历史渊源嘛,但中国有2000年历史的封建集权统治,文化里面对于中央集权的文化根深蒂固,怎么可能是一朝一夕就能改的了能实行民主的? 这种民族背景喝文化都完全不一样,土壤不一样,所谓橘生淮南则为橘,橘生淮北则为籽,就算美式民主在美国是好的制度,也不一定意味着同样在中国会是好的制度。如果那样的话你就说 刻舟求剑了。 就算一个大胖子一顿是10斤粮食,粮食是好东西,然后有一个好心人也这样对你给你喂10斤,那不是弄巧成拙把你给噎死了吗? 何况美国还是中国的竞争对手,并不是好心人
所以应该怎么弄? 应该讲究事实求是啊。什么样的制度更适合中国就应该选择什么制度。至于说到底现在中国的制度好不好, 我只看到中国在现在的制度下在不断发展,人民生活水平在不断提高,甚至包括我自己来美国都是这种发展的结果,并且中国现在发展的水平比包括美国在内的很多国家还要发展的快,那你还有甚么要求呢? 难道你想一下跳成特朗普变成亿万富翁? 特朗普亿万富翁那是他爷爷辈就开始积累来几代人的结果,哪里能够一触而就呢? 美国一直指责中国的人权,你去看各种各样的视频,看中国的外交口径是怎么回复的。 那些发言人一直回复的是 中国的人权一直是在稳定的进步。 这话里就承认里中国人权确实不是那么的好。可是那能怎么样,一口吃不成一个胖子,一个贫苦人一天变成不了特朗普,中国100年前还有太监里。你看到现在有多大的进步。 你看美国的人权,100年前还有排华法案呢,直到1945年才撤销,因为二战中美是盟国。60年前黑人还不允许上大学呢,肯尼迪总统派军队去保护一个黑人学生上大学。现在虽说美国的人权进步了很多,但并不是说没有任何问题的。
Jingjing5 发表于 2021-03-20 11:38

民主和极权 早在 南朝鲜和北朝鲜,西德和东德的例子上就有答案了.