自由意志 vs Gods Plan?

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wun
楼主 (北美华人网)
经常读到“发生什么是神在你生命中的计划”
但是如果一个人在生活中有重大损失,并显然自己有很大的责任,那么是自由意志还是Gods Plan?
比如,一个人酒驾,撞到一棵树,失去一条腿。明明是他自己做了错误的行为,但又怎么理解 God has a plan for everything?
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afamilyman
问这样的问题很有福!自由意志是上帝赋予每个人的,上帝计划是上帝知道的,本来信仰就是自由意志和上帝计划的共同结果,比如约伯记中的约伯。所以,信有时间,对个人来说,有自己的追寻,还有上帝的计划。人生苦短,难道真的只是对酒当歌?
一笑生花
自由意志也不可能高于神的旨意和计划,自由意志也是在神的掌权之下的,神的计划,不光包括(对人而言)好的事情,是包括所有的事情。
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duffy17
还是没懂.... 所以是 God 让他酒驾?
基督之光
你喝酒是自由意志。撞到樹后是擦破皮還是撞折腿則是God plan
一笑生花
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自由意志是神的计划的一部分,没有任何事情是神的计划之外的,包括自由意志。 God’s plan includes everything.
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PiuPIU2020
经常读到“发生什么是神在你生命中的计划”
但是如果一个人在生活中有重大损失,并显然自己有很大的责任,那么是自由意志还是Gods Plan?
比如,一个人酒驾,撞到一棵树,失去一条腿。明明是他自己做了错误的行为,但又怎么理解 God has a plan for everything?

wun 发表于 2021-02-13 06:35

James 1:13-15, ESV 13 Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God,” for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempts no one 14 But each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desire.  15 Then desire when it has conceived gives birth to sin, and sin when it is fully grown brings forth death.
我的理解是,酒驾不是God''s work, 而是这个人用自己的自由意志,接受了撒旦的诱惑, 撒旦的种子撒到他们的心里了,when tempted by Satan, not God, this person is being drawn away of his own lust. 这个世界,现有的世代, 上帝的仆人在做工撒好种子,撒旦的仆人也在做工撒杂草种子,种子都是无形的,做用于人的心里。
Remember Job. Though Satan has to get God''s permission before he could touch Job (Job 1:10-12), God eventually blessed Job to have more then Job ever had (Job 42:12). So God turned the curse Satan executed on Job into a blessing through God''s own hands. God''s blessing to Job in the end, is God''s truth on His rewards and punishment system, cause despite all Satan had done to Job, Job remained righteous. God''s plan is always to reward the righteous (not in this world, but in the world to come after the Judgement), for example, as pictured in Psalm 1.
Matthew 13:18-30, 36-43 ESV, The Parable of the Sower, and The Parable of the Weeds, 两个都有说: " ...., the evil one comes and snatches away what has been sown in his heart (Matthew 13:19)", ".....The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a man who sowed good seed in his field, but while his men were sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat and went away. (Matthew 13:24-25)....He said to them, ''An enemy has done this.'' ....(Matthew 13:28)" "The field is the world, and the good seed is the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, and the enemy who sowed them is the devil."(Matthew 13:38,39)
其实新约,旧约里,不同的寓言比喻,可以互相证明的, 就跟上面Matthew 里“撒种的比喻”,和“杂草的比喻”一样 。因为 God''s truth shown to us in the Old and the New Testament can''t have any variation, or different versions of interpretation, or being changed at any time.
Numbers 23:19 ESV: God is not men, that he should lie, or a son of man, that he should change his mind. Has he said, and will he not do it? Or has he spoken, and will he not fulfill it?
James 1:17-18, ESV: Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights with whom there is no variation or shadow due to change. Of his own will he brought us forth by the word of truth, that we should be a kind of first fruits of his creatures.
John 8:23 ESV: He said to them, "You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world.
好的东西,来自上帝的,是“from above”; 来自enemy, 来自Satan the adversary 的, 是“from below”。
自由意志当这样用: James 4:7-8 ESV: Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you.