对啊，你给的那个报道是说，89 percent effective at preventing severe COVID-19 这个和89%有效不一样吧。你给的那个link 的副标题就是“The FDA's review of Pfizer data suggests one jab is only 52% effective “ surge 发表于 2021-01-21 20:42
你说“40万人中只有一小部分因为covid早去世一年以上”有任何依据吗？还是随口一说？ 我知道trump说过类似的，但他说的是死亡人数中只有一小部分没有基础疾病，和你说的不是一个概念。 [url]https://apnews.com/article/us-coronavirus-deaths-top-3-million-e2bc856b6ec45563b84ee2e87ae8d5e7[/url] preliminary numbers suggest that the United States is on track to see more than 3.2 million deaths this year, or at least 400,000 more than in 2019.
回复 203楼睿的帖子 辉瑞自己说的 Pfizer's own data estimates that the first dose prevents about 52 percent of infections. 紧接着是 UK的估计 But the figure is lower than the British regulator's estimate, which said it may prevent 89 percent of recipients from getting Covid-19 symptoms. 然后猜了一下UK的估计是89%是怎么来的，是FDA说89%防止重症 An FDA analysis of Pfizer data showed that there were 89 percent fewer infections in the vaccine group after they got the shot compared to the placebo group and was 89 percent effective at preventing severe COVID-19 - perhaps where the British health officials got their figure. 然后说了FDA的原始文档中是close to 50% However, the overall efficacy during the 21 days between shots one and two averaged out to closer to 50 percent, according to the FDA documents. UK这个文章主要是想说UK那个想紧着第一针打的策略不好，里面是具体分析。没有和以色列的数据有巨大冲突啊。 而且我觉得现在看以色列的数据有点早吧，再等等
现在，全世界都是大外宣。
The 33 per cent reduction in positive tests – which are presumed to be an accurate measure of Covid-19 symptoms – is smaller than the 89 per cent the UK's vaccine regulators claimed could be possible from a single dose.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9168415/One-dose-Pfizers-Covid-shot-half-effective-promised-doctor-claims.html
别和我争，我们都是看英国大外宣新闻报道才知道的。
The 33 per cent reduction in positive tests – which are presumed to be an accurate measure of Covid-19 symptoms – is smaller than the 89 per cent the UK's vaccine regulators claimed could be possible from a single dose.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9168415/One-dose-Pfizers-Covid-shot-half-effective-promised-doctor-claims.html
只不过那个写报道的人自己没有搞清楚而已。 其实事实很清楚，辉瑞的第一针对全体人群50%有效，从来就是这么说的，要第二针才达到95%。现在以色列说60岁以上的人群第一针有效率是33%。这个和正常，和原来的数据没有矛盾，没必要因此担心
你说“40万人中只有一小部分因为covid早去世一年以上”有任何依据吗？还是随口一说？ 我知道trump说过类似的，但他说的是死亡人数中只有一小部分没有基础疾病，和你说的不是一个概念。
[url]https://apnews.com/article/us-coronavirus-deaths-top-3-million-e2bc856b6ec45563b84ee2e87ae8d5e7[/url] preliminary numbers suggest that the United States is on track to see more than 3.2 million deaths this year, or at least 400,000 more than in 2019.
不需要争，UK regulators说的。
UK regulators have said the first dose of the jab is up to 89% effective
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9168415/One-dose-Pfizers-Covid-shot-half-effective-promised-doctor-claims.html
辉瑞自己说的 Pfizer's own data estimates that the first dose prevents about 52 percent of infections.
紧接着是 UK的估计 But the figure is lower than the British regulator's estimate, which said it may prevent 89 percent of recipients from getting Covid-19 symptoms.
然后猜了一下UK的估计是89%是怎么来的，是FDA说89%防止重症 An FDA analysis of Pfizer data showed that there were 89 percent fewer infections in the vaccine group after they got the shot compared to the placebo group and was 89 percent effective at preventing severe COVID-19 - perhaps where the British health officials got their figure.
然后说了FDA的原始文档中是close to 50% However, the overall efficacy during the 21 days between shots one and two averaged out to closer to 50 percent, according to the FDA documents.
UK这个文章主要是想说UK那个想紧着第一针打的策略不好，里面是具体分析。没有和以色列的数据有巨大冲突啊。 而且我觉得现在看以色列的数据有点早吧，再等等
你是抬杠啊。UK regulator说89%的那个原文你不是前面195层楼给了吗？ 89%是防重症有效。
An FDA analysis of Pfizer data showed that there were 82 percent fewer infections in the vaccine group after they got the shot compared to the placebo group and was 89 percent effective at preventing severe COVID-19 - perhaps where the British health officials got their figure.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9168415/One-dose-Pfizers-Covid-shot-half-effective-promised-doctor-claims.html
上次参加一个法院的庭审，一屋子人都戴口罩。高潮的地方：法官要求，发言的把口罩拉下来说，这样别人听得清楚！
这张图的七日平均线上，向下拐的趋势非常明显呀。有希望。
八分之七，打错了，而且我也说了35 out of 40. 既然你说不出具体数字或者证据，就不要下什么结论：说只有一小部分因为COVID早去世一年之类的，拿不出证据，就是信口开河。
川粉本来说11.3号以后新冠就结束了，结果因为大选结果被steal了，所以新冠被迫推迟到了1.20，可现在1.21了新冠不仅没结束还越来越牛逼了，唯一的解释就是左逼还在弹劾特朗普，可能要弹劾门结束新冠才能落下帷幕吧。当然后面如果还有什么监狱门，税表门，通俄们，那新冠是遥遥无期了。
我也不懂 什么样的人可以那么坚信疫苗有用
这个数字也存疑
法官好有水平
别人打了疫苗对你有什么害处？ 美国没人打疫苗对你有什么好处？
不过是一种好的愿望，如果疫苗的盼头都不存在，多数人肯定绝望至极