回复 102楼cathytree的帖子 DC检察官正考虑起诉川普及其同党“煽动暴力” New: DC AG says he’s looking at potentially charging Trump & others for inciting violence in speeches to crowd that later breached Capitol Jan 6. Racine told @mitchellreports charges apply "where there is a clear recognition one's incitement could lead to foreseeable violence."
回复 102楼cathytree的帖子 DC检察官正考虑起诉川普及其同党“煽动暴力” New: DC AG says he’s looking at potentially charging Trump & others for inciting violence in speeches to crowd that later breached Capitol Jan 6. Racine told @mitchellreports charges apply "where there is a clear recognition one's incitement could lead to foreseeable violence." 公用马甲10 发表于 2021-01-11 14:14
回复 102楼cathytree的帖子 DC检察官正考虑起诉川普及其同党“煽动暴力” New: DC AG says he’s looking at potentially charging Trump & others for inciting violence in speeches to crowd that later breached Capitol Jan 6. Racine told @mitchellreports charges apply "where there is a clear recognition one's incitement could lead to foreseeable violence." 公用马甲10 发表于 2021-01-11 14:14
以后记得多读读英文新闻。 https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdb1i4l8w--1XfdJaDEiEgqGClX5u0zsGqIbUh_M1HVD-ypYg/viewform Petition to Disbar Senators Hawley & Cruz As of January 11, 2021 at 2PM ET, over 7,300 lawyers and law students have signed this petition, including over 1,700 members of the Missouri, Texas, and District of Columbia Bars. ****** We, the undersigned members and students of the legal profession, call on the Missouri, Texas, and District of Columbia Bars to immediately begin disbarment proceedings against Senator Josh Hawley and Senator Ted Cruz. [1]
到现在还没有细节，到底老兵是因为什么冲突导致被击毙…… Cramer说了： “What really happened on Wednesday [at the Capitol] is really uncertain. Impeachment? Or is that crazy? We don’t know. On top of that the 10-year [Treasury yield],” he said. “This could be a difficult week until we get to earnings Friday.” “I do think it’s Washington that’s in control. It won’t be in control 10 days from now” when President-elect Joe Biden gets inaugurated on Jan. 20, the “Mad Money” host said. “But we got to get there.”
到现在还没有细节，到底老兵是因为什么冲突导致被击毙…… Cramer说了： “What really happened on Wednesday [at the Capitol] is really uncertain. Impeachment? Or is that crazy? We don’t know. On top of that the 10-year [Treasury yield],” he said. “This could be a difficult week until we get to earnings Friday.” “I do think it’s Washington that’s in control. It won’t be in control 10 days from now” when President-elect Joe Biden gets inaugurated on Jan. 20, the “Mad Money” host said. “But we got to get there.”
就是这样的，现在已经有公司要求Hawley 退回政治捐助了。 Kansas City-based Hallmark Cards asks Senators Josh Hawley (R-Mo.) and Roger Marshall (R-Kan.) to return campaign contributions after they voted against certification of Joe Biden’s victory.
违反了user agreement了吧。 各大公司肯定都问过律师的， 看来大家得到的legal advice是一样的。 另外一点，冲入国会山的人直接威胁到国会依照宪法进行权力过渡 （民主制度的核心与根本），是对宪法的直接挑战。 这是insurrection跟BLM是完全没有可比性的。 各种宣誓都是"defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic"。
违反了user agreement了吧。 各大公司肯定都问过律师的， 看来大家得到的legal advice是一样的。 另外一点，冲入国会山的人直接威胁到国会依照宪法进行权力过渡 （民主制度的核心与根本），是对宪法的直接挑战。 这是insurrection跟BLM是完全没有可比性的。 各种宣誓都是"defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic"。
回复 160楼公用马甲10的帖子 ATT之后，会有更多美国大公司跟进。 ATT announces it will "suspend contributions to members of Congress who voted to object to the certification of Electoral College votes last week.” ATT was the largest corporate donor to this group
美国300多名历史学家和宪法学者——包括Ron Chernow, Taylor Branch, Garry Wills and Stacy Schiff 等知名作家——刚刚签署一封公开信，称川普是“美国民主面临的明确而现实的危险”。 The New York Times @nytimes More than 300 historians and constitutional scholars — including best-selling authors like Ron Chernow, Taylor Branch, Garry Wills and Stacy Schiff — have signed an open letter calling President Trump “a clear and present danger to American democracy.”
下一个就是教唆使用暴力语言（let’s have trial by combat）的朱利安尼，一个也跑不了。
The New York State Bar Association on Monday announced it was launching an inquiry into whether to remove Rudy Giuliani, President Donald Trump's personal attorney and the former mayor of New York, from its ranks following the insurrection at the Capitol last Wednesday. Saying blame for the violence "lies first and foremost with" Trump, the association added that the president "did not act alone," pointing to Giuliani's comments from the pro-Trump rally held blocks from the Capitol just prior to the riot. Giuliani made a slew of false claims about election fraud as well as Vice President Mike Pence's role in the Electoral College vote-counting process. Claiming that evidence of election fraud was a mere 10 days away from finally becoming public, Giuliani said, "if we’re wrong, we will be made fools of." "But if we’re right, a lot of them will go to jail," he added. "So, let’s have trial by combat. I’m willing to stake my reputation, the president is willing to stake his reputation on the fact that we’re going to find criminality there."
下一个就是教唆使用暴力语言（let’s have trial by combat）的朱利安尼，一个也跑不了。
The New York State Bar Association on Monday announced it was launching an inquiry into whether to remove Rudy Giuliani, President Donald Trump's personal attorney and the former mayor of New York, from its ranks following the insurrection at the Capitol last Wednesday. Saying blame for the violence "lies first and foremost with" Trump, the association added that the president "did not act alone," pointing to Giuliani's comments from the pro-Trump rally held blocks from the Capitol just prior to the riot. Giuliani made a slew of false claims about election fraud as well as Vice President Mike Pence's role in the Electoral College vote-counting process. Claiming that evidence of election fraud was a mere 10 days away from finally becoming public, Giuliani said, "if we’re wrong, we will be made fools of." "But if we’re right, a lot of them will go to jail," he added. "So, let’s have trial by combat. I’m willing to stake my reputation, the president is willing to stake his reputation on the fact that we’re going to find criminality there." 公用马甲10 发表于 2021-01-11 18:11
go read some English news
出处总给个吧好心马甲妹妹 让我看看有没有俺们的大趴
再三请求妹子普及下口罩事件 我也来华人网太晚了没有赶上
DC检察官正考虑起诉川普及其同党“煽动暴力”
New: DC AG says he’s looking at potentially charging Trump & others for inciting violence in speeches to crowd that later breached Capitol Jan 6. Racine told @mitchellreports charges apply "where there is a clear recognition one's incitement could lead to foreseeable violence."
这太恶心了。他们一直在法律允许的程序内行动说话，只是立场不同就要被起诉？法律也不是挡箭牌了？这帮民主自由灯塔的精英们跟姜瑜大妈一样了？
啥故事？专家多讲两句？
谢谢马甲妹妹的链接 那6000勇士在哪里？ 我要就去找老板名字 让我也来出口这恶气
你看这些就够了，听听绞死彭斯的口号多嘹亮。
Hang Mike Pence！ Hang Mike Pence！
https://twitter.com/i/status/1348624965776646144
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在法律许可内说话？ 这两人在5日还有6日，公开教唆示威者fight，公开教唆示威者对抗，导致国会暴力的视频，你没看到，还是装看不到？
随便给你贴一个视频。
Rebecca Cohen @anatomyeduc Jan 8
Replying to @FBI Rafael Edward Cruz, also known as “Ted” Cruz, a U.S Senator from Texas,
https://twitter.com/i/status/1347665449148964866
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赞。党卫军抓的抓判的判，希特勒难道倒是能脱罪了？又不是自焚了。这下真得进监狱了。
不是立场问题。煽动暴力，跟纳粹头目一样，虽然没有手动杀人，可是他们的罪是脱不了的，必定会上法庭审判。
以后记得多读读英文新闻。
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdb1i4l8w--1XfdJaDEiEgqGClX5u0zsGqIbUh_M1HVD-ypYg/viewform
Petition to Disbar Senators Hawley & Cruz
As of January 11, 2021 at 2PM ET, over 7,300 lawyers and law students have signed this petition, including over 1,700 members of the Missouri, Texas, and District of Columbia Bars.
******
We, the undersigned members and students of the legal profession, call on the Missouri, Texas, and District of Columbia Bars to immediately begin disbarment proceedings against Senator Josh Hawley and Senator Ted Cruz. [1]
在你的眼里估计北欧诸国早都是communism国家。
当初克林顿在宣誓下还撤谎也没怎么样？都是双标。
求科普，我以前肯定错过了这位楼主的所有帖子。
Defend liberty, defend freedom! 这些话哪里不对呢？他哪里有说“来，大家一起冲到国会大厦里去！”
如果以后再有人因为什么事情号召大家游行示威，只是游行示威，但是响应号召而来的人数太多，因组织得不给力，无意识或者被安排倒钩有意识地开始暴力行径（事实上，民众聚众就是容易出事），那是不是号召游行的人都是有罪的？以后是不是跟天朝一样不许上街聚集游行？
希望大家都冷静思考，感觉美国现在这个左倾状态跟天朝的文革越来越像孪生子。
你难道没看到川普他们一家看到暴徒攻国会时，开心的跳舞叫喊的视频吗？ 要不要再给你贴？
另外，当天是谁让这些示威的人，march到国会的？不正是川普自己吗？
暴徒冲入国会了，是谁开始阻止或者拒绝调遣国民警卫队去施救的？
美国到底有没有你们川统领尊重的law & order？ 如果有就去打官司，张口闭口被封杀不是和川普一直煽动的选举作弊如出一辙吗？ 7000多万支持川普的有几位的言论自由被封杀了？ 除了这几家平台，川普就没说话的地方了？
他可不是没想到，事实上这正是他想要的。他不蠢，就是坏。是时候让他为自己的行为负责了。
川粉总觉得，川川什么都不懂，他还是个孩子啊
这逻辑有点感人。。
internet能让潜在小胡子长不成小胡子？抖音微信网游玩得那么开心，你看看隔岸五毛们不是一茬一茬照样茁壮成长？ 这边的现实难道不是被某金色大胡子利用来煽动助长小胡子？
人家私人企业，有权利决定serve谁不serve谁。
去饭店吃饭没看见过声明吗？我们reserve the right to refuse the service.
这个right就是法律给的。
撒谎和攻击国会是一个性质的事情吗？ 他撒谎也得到教训了，毕竟遭到了弹劾，虽然没成功。
你前一个贴子讲撤谎，现在又提这个？还记得kavanaugh提名时的闹剧？也有冲击国会的，警察也没开枪。
是滴，这个楼主的话真是有问题，唯恐米国不乱
详细说说;)
贴个视频?
那个视频真的恶心到我了。明明就是纯坏，要利用粉丝给国会施压，逆转认证。让粉丝替自己死，没想到还很蠢，终被反噬。 2016知道老川是一副猛药，2020知道他其实是毒药-毒死自己的那种。任性boy亲手给这些big tech制造充分的舆论环境封杀他，不作死就不会死。
https://twitter.com/i/status/1347272046552768512
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来 你贴了我看看！ 千万别发中文的。 BLM 打砸抢的时候 这些社交媒体在干嘛？ 可是一个屁都不敢放？ 这种双标 就该骂！ 况且川普号召大家游行，合理合法。 他有号召大家去砸国会吗？
他在牢房里拒绝吃饭，说不是有机食品他不吃。极品啊！
那就再贴一遍，看看攻国会时，这一家子高兴的。
https://twitter.com/i/status/1347272046552768512
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自己去#136楼看。楼上已经贴了。 唯一可以肯定的是：你真不看英文媒体。
这个视频里的人们那些欢乐的笑脸，和另一个视频里警察被暴徒团团围住，被夹得痛苦得哀嚎，嘴里流着鲜血那样的场景，一定要放在一起看。如果都这样了那些川粉还能无动于衷，他们只配三个字，没人性。
确切地说是任性boy1/6演讲之前。但是，仍然让人作呕。 而且任性boy演讲时说的是我要和大家一起walk down there（capital hill），讲了2个多小时大选怎么被steal，现场煽动刺激粉丝的愤怒。然后真walk down时自己溜了。让粉丝替自己送死，任性boy.真小人.阿川🤮🤮🤮
补充一点：1/6川普粉丝DC大集会是川普在Twitter上亲自号召的。怎么洗都洗不白。
到现在还没有细节，到底老兵是因为什么冲突导致被击毙……
Cramer说了： “What really happened on Wednesday [at the Capitol] is really uncertain. Impeachment? Or is that crazy? We don’t know. On top of that the 10-year [Treasury yield],” he said. “This could be a difficult week until we get to earnings Friday.” “I do think it’s Washington that’s in control. It won’t be in control 10 days from now” when President-elect Joe Biden gets inaugurated on Jan. 20, the “Mad Money” host said. “But we got to get there.”
所以要学习中共，反对意见都封了？厉害！
细节？入侵者在外面砸窗户，窗户被砸破了。有人准备跳窗进去，结果吃了一枪。全都有视频为证。
你没考虑过这次不封，是不是等于变相鼓励老川的行为？一样是做恶。将来再来一任总统如果对选举不满，可以像老川一样煽动粉丝聚集DC，冲击国会？——有些底线是不可以践踏的。
以后美国管好自己吧，别再指责这个国家那个国家，自己的脸也丢尽了
真真正正体现了一把什么是资本主义
国土安全部的代理部长Wolf 刚刚辞职了。
“我原打算为该部服务到本届政府结束为止。但不幸的是，最近发生的事，包括法院正在进行的毫无根据的诉讼，使我有理由采取这一行动"。
宪法保护言论自由不受政府的侵犯。不保护你使用别人的财产来行使你的言论自由的权利。别人可以不给你用，多简单啊？
如果那个“别人“能控制所有的言论平台，那也不是言论自由的问题，而是垄断的问题，有反垄断法等着呢。
的确要有细则法规，要不这些公司干政想怎么做怎么做
人家当然有权利不给你提供服务。
法律法规只能用来保证：（1）不能是因为法律中规定的歧视性原因（比如，完全可以是因为政治原因，但不能因为种族原因或者性别原因）。 （2）该公司不服务你，你有机会找其他公司 - 也就是说该公司不能成为行业垄断。
说得好，都成狗咬狗一嘴毛了
双标啊
就是这样的，现在已经有公司要求Hawley 退回政治捐助了。
Kansas City-based Hallmark Cards asks Senators Josh Hawley (R-Mo.) and Roger Marshall (R-Kan.) to return campaign contributions after they voted against certification of Joe Biden’s victory.
Facebook to remove content with ''stop the steal'' phrase
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-facebook-idUSKBN29G2NF?taid=5ffcd4f45dad480001ae0b6a
另外一点，冲入国会山的人直接威胁到国会依照宪法进行权力过渡 （民主制度的核心与根本），是对宪法的直接挑战。 这是insurrection跟BLM是完全没有可比性的。
各种宣誓都是"defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic"。
近四分之三的美国选民认为民主正受到威胁
昆尼皮亚克大学（Quinnipiac University）最新民调显示，近四分之三的美国选民表示，美国国会大厦遭到暴民致命袭击后，民主受到威胁。
周一公布的一项针对美国注册选民的全国民调显示，大量共和党和民主党选民认为民主受到威胁，分别为77%和76%。无党派人士持此看法的比率为70%。
1月6日后，川普和彭斯再无交流。。。。。。
Pence's relationship with Trump fractures in final days https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/533723-pences-relationship-with-trump-fractures-in-final-days
大家说一千遍也没用，极端川粉只认川普，不认宪法。
link pls? Thx!
D.C.的法律是threspass不用警告就可以开枪吗？
ATT之后，会有更多美国大公司跟进。
ATT announces it will "suspend contributions to members of Congress who voted to object to the certification of Electoral College votes last week.” ATT was the largest corporate donor to this group
可以立法禁止公职人员鼓动聚会游行吗
贴给你这种人也没用。
人家白川粉不要中国烂货！
别上赶着了丢人了
"We don't want Chinese bullshit"
wow, what’s wrong with you? so much hatred.
The New York Times @nytimes More than 300 historians and constitutional scholars — including best-selling authors like Ron Chernow, Taylor Branch, Garry Wills and Stacy Schiff — have signed an open letter calling President Trump “a clear and present danger to American democracy.”
https://twitter.com/i/status/1347650932549541893
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1. 川普的儿子和那个老婆我一直认为是又蠢又坏的，画面里川普倒是看着比较严肃。 2. 当时的画面并看不清楚是已经冲进国会大厦了。如果川普的本意是召集一帮粉来冲进国会大厦搞破坏，那结果不是正合他意，他为毛又后来号召大家回家？别说是因为搞出人命，一群情绪激动的人暴力冲击国会大厦，搞出人命谁会觉得奇怪？不搞出人命倒是很难得的吧？ 3. 就算他想让一帮情绪激动的人冲击国会大厦，他想达到什么诉求呢？这帮人冲击国会大厦，结果肯定会被武装镇压，那这个骚乱的过程可能会有暴力、混乱、死亡，他能从这里得到什么益处呢？武装镇压平乱后，他又会有什么好处呢？
请义愤填膺认为川普主导这场暴乱的，给解一下惑！我是不明白这个逻辑。
川粉就大方承认川粉，装什么理中客。说一千遍也叫不醒你的。
总检察长：川普儿子等三人涉嫌煽动暴乱！
The New York State Bar Association on Monday announced it was launching an inquiry into whether to remove Rudy Giuliani, President Donald Trump's personal attorney and the former mayor of New York, from its ranks following the insurrection at the Capitol last Wednesday.
Saying blame for the violence "lies first and foremost with" Trump, the association added that the president "did not act alone," pointing to Giuliani's comments from the pro-Trump rally held blocks from the Capitol just prior to the riot. Giuliani made a slew of false claims about election fraud as well as Vice President Mike Pence's role in the Electoral College vote-counting process.
Claiming that evidence of election fraud was a mere 10 days away from finally becoming public, Giuliani said, "if we’re wrong, we will be made fools of."
"But if we’re right, a lot of them will go to jail," he added. "So, let’s have trial by combat. I’m willing to stake my reputation, the president is willing to stake his reputation on the fact that we’re going to find criminality there."
有事说事，有理讲理，别上来就扣帽子，请做个文明人。既然你这么说，那你明白其中的逻辑了，愿听其详。
不好理解吗？问问川粉们就知道了，因为他们觉得这么一闹能让那些投票的官员们改变主意呀，这样老川就能翻盘了呀，再连任四年maga呀。然后至于你问为什么在外面示威就能帮助里面的人改变想法，那当然谁都知道做不到，只有冲进去了，利用暴力帮助他们改变想法，这个思路很好理解了吧，村里恶霸不都这样，不然还能怎么着？呵呵。
不懂就问，叫人川粉属于不文明行为？
按你的意思，川普和川粉觉得，让一帮情绪激动的人冲进国会大厦，闹出人命，还可能杀死几个议员什么的，搞出暴乱，就能让国会两院、高法、各州都承认其实是川普赢了这次选举？ 那川普怕不是个傻子吧？
这不奇怪啊！我到现在还没见过一个川粉肯承认自己是川粉的，除了某个什么舅舅，思路清奇但是也不说粗话，也就罢了。那些出口成脏的从来不承认自己川粉的，说了他们川粉他们那个恨啊，我也很不理解
大家还没看懂川普是宇宙第一attention那啥吗
呵呵，大家都觉得他是啊
1.难道你感觉不到他回复的口气很不客气吗？ 2.随便叫别人什么粉是对别人的冒犯，除非这个人愿意被这么称呼。
基于以上两点，我提前他注意要文明交流，请问有何不妥呢，以致这位以小儿之口吻要行壮士之义举。
好的，谢谢！虽然不是很清楚，而且有点疑惑为什么一堆人里只射击了一个人？砸门的这些人如果证据属实的话，被起诉是肯定的。
所以要射中一排人才合理？那血腥的场面。。
有些人确实是选举之后，甚至是1.6之后开始切割的。难道你要这些人一条路走到黑？
是啊，一直为川普个人到处和人吵架，用尽力气维护他的所作所为，骂共和党，民主党就更别说了，但是绝不承认是他的粉，连冲进国会的都是antifa假扮的
朱利安尼是肯定没跑的 我不明白的是：律师的言论可以代表当事人的intent不？这个在法律上是怎么界定的？
她们口头上不承认川粉，但是干的事说的话全是极端川粉，我们讨论的主要是这种情况
死的其所。换句话说， 算暴徒。
聪明的都开始退群、开始删自己过激的帖子、开始不说话了，只有傻瓜还冲在最前面，还抢着说话。
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华人上的川粉还算嚣张，买菜群里的川粉已经偃旗息鼓了
在这样一个混乱的场面里，发生了开枪，还只有一枪，难道不奇怪可以质疑吗？
对他可能没啥好处。但他说话的时候不是每句话都要严格衡量“好处”的。煽动他支持者的那些话，完全可能只是他发自本心的情绪宣泄。这种宣泄造成了现在这个后果而已（当然，我也不认为这后果有咋的，不就是打砸国会么，但有人在乎啊）
说白了，他不是傻子，但这个行为本身就是蠢。聪明人也不能保证一辈子一件蠢事都不做，您说是不是这个理儿？