IRS gift 报税限额是按一个人算还是一个家庭看

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jiaying52
楼主 (北美华人网)
看了隔壁楼关于irs 对于海外gift馈赠限额,有些疑惑。夫妻共同报税的话,不用报的限额是一人10万以下,还是两个人加在十万以下不用报税。 比如说夫妻两个人一个人收了9万,另一个收了9.5万,要申报吗?

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snowdrift
按家庭算的
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handan11
不能夫妻一起填,得个人分开填报709表格。IRS官方文件里说了:Spouses may not file a joint gift tax return. Each individual is responsible for his or her own 709.在官方解说文件里,第二页。链接:https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/i709.pdf
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qiaokeli521
For gifts or bequests from a nonresident alien or foreign estate, you are required to report the receipt of such gifts or bequests only if the aggregate amount received from that nonresident alien or foreign estate exceeds $100,000 during the taxable year. If the gifts or bequests exceed $100,000, you must separately identify each gift in excess of $5,000。 申报要求的10万是根据给予方来计算的,跟收到钱的人没关系。一个外国人给你超过10万就申报。如果2个外国人给你超过10万,他们每个人给你的钱少于10万就不用报。夫妻孩子都是独立的个体,你们中哪一个收到一个外国人超过10万的gift就要填表,申报的表是可以跟税表一起填,但是处理的部门是和个税不一样的。
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qiaokeli521
不能夫妻一起填,得个人分开填报709表格。IRS官方文件里说了:Spouses may not file a joint gift tax return. Each individual is responsible for his or her own 709.在官方解说文件里,第二页。链接:https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/i709.pdf
handan11 发表于 2020-11-29 15:08

709是针对美国人给美国人的,不涉及外国人
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tuer
For gifts or bequests from a nonresident alien or foreign estate, you are required to report the receipt of such gifts or bequests only if the aggregate amount received from that nonresident alien or foreign estate exceeds $100,000 during the taxable year. If the gifts or bequests exceed $100,000, you must separately identify each gift in excess of $5,000。 申报要求的10万是根据给予方来计算的,跟收到钱的人没关系。一个外国人给你超过10万就申报。如果2个外国人给你超过10万,他们每个人给你的钱少于10万就不用报。夫妻孩子都是独立的个体,你们中哪一个收到一个外国人超过10万的gift就要填表,申报的表是可以跟税表一起填,但是处理的部门是和个税不一样的。
qiaokeli521 发表于 2020-11-29 15:09

mom gave me $49000, dad gave me $49000, zen me calculate?
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handan11
709是针对美国人给美国人的,不涉及外国人
qiaokeli521 发表于 2020-11-29 15:12

谢谢层主,借宝楼讨论一下,那个官方文件,第三页说了non citizen外国人得填。
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qiaokeli521
回复 6楼的帖子
即使你妈妈给你9万9,你爸爸给你九万九 都不需要报
不好意思,我说的错误了,必须是不related的两个人
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qiaokeli521
回复 7楼handan11的帖子
那个是外国人赠与他人礼物,礼物是美国的实物,gifts of tangible property situated in the United States 那有可能会涉及到gift tax。你说的对,709有可能也会涉及外国人。
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tuer
回复 6楼tuer的帖子
即使你妈妈给你9万9,你爸爸给你九万九 都不需要报
qiaokeli521 发表于 2020-11-29 15:18

aw thank you so much!
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Pompom
For gifts or bequests from a nonresident alien or foreign estate, you are required to report the receipt of such gifts or bequests only if the aggregate amount received from that nonresident alien or foreign estate exceeds $100,000 during the taxable year. If the gifts or bequests exceed $100,000, you must separately identify each gift in excess of $5,000。 申报要求的10万是根据给予方来计算的,跟收到钱的人没关系。一个外国人给你超过10万就申报。如果2个外国人给你超过10万,他们每个人给你的钱少于10万就不用报。夫妻孩子都是独立的个体,你们中哪一个收到一个外国人超过10万的gift就要填表,申报的表是可以跟税表一起填,但是处理的部门是和个税不一样的。
qiaokeli521 发表于 2020-11-29 15:09

如果汇款人是收款人的亲戚 (父母,兄弟姐妹,兄弟姐妹的妻子丈夫之类的),就算每人汇款少于十万, 但总计超过十万也要报的。
Line 54. To calculate the threshold amount ($100,000), you must aggregate gifts from different foreign nonresident aliens and foreign estates if you know (or have reason to know) that those persons are related to each other (see Related Person, earlier) or one is acting as a nominee or intermediary for the other. For example, if you receive a gift of $75,000 from nonresident alien individual A and a gift of $40,000 from nonresident alien individual B, and you know that A and B are related, you must answer "Yes" and complete columns (a) through (c) for each gift.
Related Person
A related person generally includes any person who is related to you for purposes of sections 267 and 707(b). This includes, but is not limited to: A member of your family—your brothers and sisters, half-brothers and half-sisters, spouse, ancestors (parents, grandparents, etc.), lineal descendants (children, grandchildren, etc.), and the spouses of any of these persons; or A corporation in which you, directly or indirectly, own more than 50% in value of the outstanding stock.
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handan11
回复 7楼handan11的帖子
那个是外国人赠与他人礼物,礼物是美国的实物,gifts of tangible property situated in the United States 那有可能会涉及到gift tax。你说的对,709有可能也会涉及外国人。
qiaokeli521 发表于 2020-11-29 15:26


谢谢层主耐心解释,学习了。歪楼感慨一声,IRS成天琢磨着怎么收罚款,怎么吸中产的血,各种表格五花八门,一不留神就被irs坑了。
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tuer
如果汇款人是收款人的亲戚 (父母,兄弟姐妹,兄弟姐妹的妻子丈夫之类的),就算每人汇款少于十万, 但总计超过十万也要报的。
Line 54. To calculate the threshold amount ($100,000), you must aggregate gifts from different foreign nonresident aliens and foreign estates if you know (or have reason to know) that those persons are related to each other (see Related Person, earlier) or one is acting as a nominee or intermediary for the other. For example, if you receive a gift of $75,000 from nonresident alien individual A and a gift of $40,000 from nonresident alien individual B, and you know that A and B are related, you must answer "Yes" and complete columns (a) through (c) for each gift.
Related Person
A related person generally includes any person who is related to you for purposes of sections 267 and 707(b). This includes, but is not limited to: A member of your family—your brothers and sisters, half-brothers and half-sisters, spouse, ancestors (parents, grandparents, etc.), lineal descendants (children, grandchildren, etc.), and the spouses of any of these persons; or A corporation in which you, directly or indirectly, own more than 50% in value of the outstanding stock.

Pompom 发表于 2020-11-29 15:28

如果我老公从他爸妈那里各收4.9万,我从我爸妈那里各收4.9万(国内汇款有5万限额),那还需要报吗?
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tuer

谢谢层主耐心解释,学习了。歪楼感慨一声,IRS成天琢磨着怎么收罚款,怎么吸中产的血,各种表格五花八门,一不留神就被irs坑了。
handan11 发表于 2020-11-29 15:30

这你就不要操心了,能从国内汇钱来的又不是自己赚的。你如果不爽收税可以换个国家呆着。
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Pompom
回复 13楼tuer的帖子
我的理解是不需要
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qiaokeli521
回复 11楼Pompom的帖子
谢谢!学习了!
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Minimice
美国gifttax 是赠与的人要报税, 收gift 那个人不需要申报. 这个gift tax 是防止有钱人把钱以gift 的名义转给下一代。 所以如果给你钱的人不是美国公民或居民. 你什么的不需要申报。
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handan11
这你就不要操心了,能从国内汇钱来的又不是自己赚的。你如果不爽收税可以换个国家呆着。
tuer 发表于 2020-11-29 15:35

嗯嗯,谢谢,tuer啊,我读过你的主题帖子,说在念法学院呢,有个小娃,在读JD,很励志,祝你期末考试顺利。
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tuer
回复 15楼Pompom的帖子
谢谢~!
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abc2000
美国gifttax 是赠与的人要报税, 收gift 那个人不需要申报. 这个gift tax 是防止有钱人把钱以gift 的名义转给下一代。 所以如果给你钱的人不是美国公民或居民. 你什么的不需要申报。
Minimice 发表于 2020-11-29 15:41

记得收到10万美元以上要申报,但不要交税。昨天一个MM就是前几年收到国内汇款29万美元没有及时申报,过两年才补报。这两天收到IRS来信,要她罚款25% 7万多美元。
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handan11
这你就不要操心了,能从国内汇钱来的又不是自己赚的。你如果不爽收税可以换个国家呆着。
tuer 发表于 2020-11-29 15:35


应tuer层主短消息,删了回复,祝层主期末考试顺利,谢谢大家。
感叹一下,以前都是从美国汇钱到中国,从来没听说过中国汇钱到美国的。现在都是从中国汇钱到美国,国内现在实在太有钱了。风水轮流转啊。