看新闻要看全部! “There is no legal mechanism for them to rescind their vote," said Michigan Secretary of State spokeswoman Tracy Wimmer. "Their job is done and the next step in the process is for the Board of State Canvassers to meet and certify."
回复 16楼lily221的帖子 至今为止,川普阵营在选后诉讼中赢的唯一一个官司,受影响的选票只有几十张。在已经结案的30个官司中,川普输了29个。 Marc E. Elias @marceelias Here is the only case Trump and his allies have won in the post election. They shorted the time period to cure a small number of rejected mail-in ballots from 9 days to 6 days. At most, it affected a few dozen ballots They are 1-29 overall. https://democracydocket.com/cases/pennsylvania-trump-missing-id/…
https://lawandcrime.com/2020-election/when-applying-normal-scrutiny-rudy-giulianis-court-appearance-was-a-total-flop/ 他跟trump真的不是一家人不进一家门。 Before Tuesday, Rudy Giuliani last registered an appearance in the U.S. federal judiciary in 1992, and in the view of many legal observers, it showed. The former mayor of New York flubbed basic concepts of law and, in at least one instance, displayed a poor command of the English language. Giuliani confessed that he did not know the word “opacity,” applying the Bizarro World definition that it “probably means you can see.” “It means you can’t,” U.S. District Judge Matthew Brann corrected. When pressed by the judge on what standard of scrutiny should be applied to Pennsylvania government’s action, Giuliani replied: “The normal one.” Trump蠢,川粉则是可笑。你怎么可以如此背着脸为他说话。
回复 47楼Jaelynleaf的帖子 那我一个律师来回答一下你这个小白,既然你没听明白我的论点。 关于宪法问题, 有三种review standards,strict scrutiny,intermediate scrutiny和rational basis。这是一年级法学院学生都知道的基本概念。法官问朱利安尼,what standard of review should I apply。normal scrutiny显然不是答案选项之一,而且是个很初级的错误。 再重申一下,你说得没错,证据的确不看多少,但要在法庭上作数,证据是要满足一定条件的,如果和complaint无关,那也不能在法庭上使用了...
回复 47楼Jaelynleaf的帖子 那我一个律师来回答一下你这个小白,既然你没听明白我的论点。 关于宪法问题, 有三种review standards,strict scrutiny,intermediate scrutiny和rational basis。这是一年级法学院学生都知道的基本概念。法官问朱利安尼,what standard of review should I apply。normal scrutiny显然不是答案选项之一,而且是个很初级的错误。 再重申一下,你说得没错,证据的确不看多少,但要在法庭上作数,证据是要满足一定条件的,如果和complaint无关,那也不能在法庭上使用了...
https://lawandcrime.com/2020-election/when-applying-normal-scrutiny-rudy-giulianis-court-appearance-was-a-total-flop/ 他跟trump真的不是一家人不进一家门。 Before Tuesday, Rudy Giuliani last registered an appearance in the U.S. federal judiciary in 1992, and in the view of many legal observers, it showed. The former mayor of New York flubbed basic concepts of law and, in at least one instance, displayed a poor command of the English language. Giuliani confessed that he did not know the word “opacity,” applying the Bizarro World definition that it “probably means you can see.” “It means you can’t,” U.S. District Judge Matthew Brann corrected. When pressed by the judge on what standard of scrutiny should be applied to Pennsylvania government’s action, Giuliani replied: “The normal one.” Trump蠢,川粉则是可笑。你怎么可以如此背着脸为他说话。
tuer 发表于 2020-11-19 15:20
同为法律工作者比较为你汗颜。 如果逻辑这一课没有学好,建议重新复习。 你提出我第二点有问题的逻辑,请参见 Argumentum ad Hominem Composition
回复 47楼Jaelynleaf的帖子 那我一个律师来回答一下你这个小白,既然你没听明白我的论点。 关于宪法问题, 有三种review standards,strict scrutiny,intermediate scrutiny和rational basis。这是一年级法学院学生都知道的基本概念。法官问朱利安尼,what standard of review should I apply。normal scrutiny显然不是答案选项之一,而且是个很初级的错误。 再重申一下,你说得没错,证据的确不看多少,但要在法庭上作数,证据是要满足一定条件的,如果和complaint无关,那也不能在法庭上使用了...
raennie 发表于 2020-11-19 15:21
你这才叫谣言的典型。 你这些说法,全部源自Josh Billinson的一个推,然后左媒全面跟进。 Fact-checking网站snopes说“Snopes asked the court for transcripts of the oral arguments that took place on Nov. 17, but we did not receive any response. ” 也就是说,左媒根据一个推,就大肆报道所谓的朱利安尼连基本法律常识都没有。
I have a feeling Trump is going to be our president again. 4 more years!
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川川的钱也都是喂了....了
既然已经展可诉讼,进入司法程序了,一切证据应该在法庭上公开吧!还有必要搞这个发布会吗?
你不知道吗,藤校以后专门招工农兵大学生,谁爱去睡谁去,耶鲁不是马上要改名为弗洛伊德大学了吗
🛋️ 沙发板凳
幸福的根源,要学会manage expectation
(sigh)
count down to Trump's another 4 years!!!
赞同,他不敢。
听说全美三亿人怀疑作假,这次选举宣布作废才对
再选一次大家都擦亮眼睛,结果还不知道什么样呢
新闻发布会上啥都能是证据,但在法庭上,要成为证据是有严格的标准的...
看新闻要看全部!
“There is no legal mechanism for them to rescind their vote," said Michigan Secretary of State spokeswoman Tracy Wimmer. "Their job is done and the next step in the process is for the Board of State Canvassers to meet and certify."
啊,微信群证据都没用上吗,也没人给截个图整理一下?
典型的癔症
至今为止,川普阵营在选后诉讼中赢的唯一一个官司,受影响的选票只有几十张。在已经结案的30个官司中,川普输了29个。
Marc E. Elias @marceelias
Here is the only case Trump and his allies have won in the post election. They shorted the time period to cure a small number of rejected mail-in ballots from 9 days to 6 days. At most, it affected a few dozen ballots
They are 1-29 overall. https://democracydocket.com/cases/pennsylvania-trump-missing-id/…
慕容川复: 复兴大燕,MAGA
五毛还是那一套,没证据。
你听了这个发布会吗?对你这种说法,发布会里专门讲到了。
哇咧,这还怎么继续global engagement推销自己的优秀体制啊
你是讲笑吧,几百年的民主选举制度,老川30个无证据上诉输了29个的情况下,你们还妄想重新投票???
干脆直接去北韩吧,那里有你想要的独裁。
没想到这样的闹剧会发生在21世纪的美国
看看他现在的日程安排:
赞这个
怎么讲的啊,科普一下。在这个阶段,川普团队有burden of proof。
如果你把所有不同意你观点的人都当成无毛,那最后你只会在自己的echo chamber里越陷越深。这个社会现在最危险的地方,就是非黑即白,如果想做一个理性中立就事论事的人,会被两边都说成里外不是人。你觉得美国社会AA走太远了?你一定支持川普,一定反堕胎,歧视女性。你觉得gop推广民粹和极端主义,那你一定是支持拜登,ccp的走狗,非蠢即坏。
Sidney Powell 在律界的名声,打听一下,好吧? 不懂就不要瞎掰!
朱利安尼现在绝对心里想的是赚一票走人,川普怎么样他已经不管了。他心知肚明的。
前几天有新闻报道他一天收川普团队2万美元的佣金,弄这些诉讼的事。
那么2016年为啥没有从新选一次?
楼主你醒醒
对对 老川缺钱了 赶紧去捐助 不要在这里磨蹭了
凭什么为了一个疯子,就要践踏别人的选举成果?
川川现在很需要钱,川粉互相监督下,没有捐到max的都应该开除粉籍
不选到川普赢誓不罢休 哈哈
太对了 ✌️
轮轮和湾湾不会都是共产党派过来从内部瓦解美国的间谍吧?我要到AOC Twitter去提建议严查🤔
Georgia recount expected to affirm Biden victory AFP 3 hrs ago
Fact check: Amy Coney Barrett ruled that police did not knowingly violate… Police dog shot and killed after gunman opens fire into patrol car Georgia recount expected to affirm Biden victory
Georgia was due Thursday to release results of a hand recount of presidential election votes -- with President-elect Joe Biden expected to be reaffirmed as the first Democrat to win the southern US state in almost three decades. © Tami Chappell The US state of Georgia conducted a hand recount of some five million presidential election ballots, but the process is highly unlikely to overturn President-elect Joe Biden's victory there over incumbent President Donald Trump President Donald Trump has claimed baselessly that the recount of some five million ballots is rigged and the state would "flip" to him if authorities conduct a fairer process. But Georgia officials have defended the integrity of the audit and say there is no evidence that the recount will change the outcome. Biden was declared the winner in Georgia last week after a tumultuous election that saw the veteran Democrat prevail overall by 306 electoral votes to 232, denying Trump a second term. Trump's legal team has launched dozens of challenges -- several of which have already been dismissed -- in battlegrounds like Michigan and Pennsylvania, and requested recounts in Wisconsin. In Georgia, Biden's original margin of victory was just over 14,000 votes. The hand recount that began last week and concluded late Wednesday narrowed that gap slightly to more than 12,700 as of early Thursday. Some discrepancies were found in Republican leaning counties, according to Gabriel Sterling, Georgia's voting system manager who helped monitor the so-called risk-level audit.
Trump背后有上帝,不可能输,只能是造假
rational-basis review strict scrutiny intermediate scrutiny 确实没有normal scrutiny哎!
第一,不知道你要说的论点。 第二,解释下Normal Scrunity,其实就是普通人的常识判断,换句话,就是这个事情比较愚蠢,一般智商的人都可以判断,你满意了? 第三, 此次证据不看多少,就看证据能否确定改变大选基数,如果证明是,那么高院根据宪法会判结果,高院一般不会一个州一个州地去审视。 第四,证据在没有呈现法院前,是没有理由详细阐述于媒体和公众,此次比较特殊,关系到每个选民,所以略加说明。 第五,建议不明白就问,不要带偏我们小白。
共和党的地盘也不帮川川,可恶!
朱利安尼都快成了笑话了
华人几个算卦神婆都说了,川川势必连任,所以他绝不可能输,输了就是造假
哈哈,实在好笑
我看这样吧,把选民们分点分批的关在各个投票点里,投票选举,选不出懂王的,接着投,不准回家。
川粉可以认真的和懂王建议一下,我看这招行,绝对能得到想要的结果。
哈哈,川普团队里面,那些大陆出来的前共产党员,肯定能给川普支这招~~
这个我看行,川普团队早点雇你也不会输得一败涂地,叹气
我妈妈一个虔诚的基督徒都要被这些整天说 ”川普是上帝派来拯救人类 川普的背后是上帝“ 的华人大妈们气吐血了 上帝只安排了自己唯一的儿子耶稣来人间受苦拯救了人类
外面还可以派proud boys 拿着枪踢正步。 投不到懂王想要的结果就一直投,或者干脆,举手投票,看谁不忠于懂王。 还不信治不服这批刁民了, 奶奶的。
俗话说会哭的孩子有奶吃,最近捐款又拿了不少吧
我说你偷了我财产,为了公正,为了证明你没有,你必须放弃你全部财产,重赚一遍。如果你没偷,赚一百次也是你多,怕啥?
Wisconsin仅仅是重新计票就要7.9 million的经费,Trump阵营这点钱都舍不得,只花3 million重点最大两个county的票,也不知道他阵营4年来募的钱都跑哪儿去了。
这还仅仅是一个州的重新计票需要的经费,全国重新大选多少钱可以想一想。如果不选上Trump誓不算数,得一直大选下去的话,这钱应该是川粉出——你们先帮Trump集资把Wisconsin全部重新点一下再说,这个缺口也就5百万,现实得多。别跟巨巨纳税一样只出750刀啊,丢人。
说了很清楚了,重要的是恢复公众对选举对政府的信任,而不是谁当选。民心所向的Biden,肯定不怕重选,独裁者才害怕吧?
选举是儿戏吗?有个小丑loser不认输就要重来,你孩子撒泼打滚要东西的时候你都无条件满足?
让选民们坐炕上,下面烧的很热,谁坐不住站起来,就是选川川,可以敲锣打鼓给他戴上大红花去投票然后可以走人了~~
大街上拦个美女,怀疑人家男扮女装,必须脱光检查,要真不是男扮女装怕什么检查?
之前募的钱要给家属开工资呀,过门的未过门的儿媳妇都靠川粉爱的供养。
反正这次最后认输也不怕,接着喊一句Trump 2024,捐款不能停
川普不赢川粉会接受重选结果?况且自己凭什么要求别人陪你玩,有证据你就去告,30个官司输了29个有什么脸面要求别人配合你玩?
你一定看过老舍的茶馆。把肚子破开证明自己没偷吃,然而之前看客们都散了。
https://lawandcrime.com/2020-election/when-applying-normal-scrutiny-rudy-giulianis-court-appearance-was-a-total-flop/ 他跟trump真的不是一家人不进一家门。 Before Tuesday, Rudy Giuliani last registered an appearance in the U.S. federal judiciary in 1992, and in the view of many legal observers, it showed. The former mayor of New York flubbed basic concepts of law and, in at least one instance, displayed a poor command of the English language.
Giuliani confessed that he did not know the word “opacity,” applying the Bizarro World definition that it “probably means you can see.” “It means you can’t,” U.S. District Judge Matthew Brann corrected.
When pressed by the judge on what standard of scrutiny should be applied to Pennsylvania government’s action, Giuliani replied: “The normal one.”
Trump蠢,川粉则是可笑。你怎么可以如此背着脸为他说话。
那我一个律师来回答一下你这个小白,既然你没听明白我的论点。
关于宪法问题, 有三种review standards,strict scrutiny,intermediate scrutiny和rational basis。这是一年级法学院学生都知道的基本概念。法官问朱利安尼,what standard of review should I apply。normal scrutiny显然不是答案选项之一,而且是个很初级的错误。
再重申一下,你说得没错,证据的确不看多少,但要在法庭上作数,证据是要满足一定条件的,如果和complaint无关,那也不能在法庭上使用了...
川粉还真的就是一摸一样的逻辑,生活在法治国家,满脑子封建独裁思维方式,我说你有罪但是我没有证据,你要自己证明自己清白,凭什么?
太可怜了,再不捐款儿媳妇都要跑了
法官说对了! Giuliani: opacity means you can see ? Judge: opacity means you cannot see ! Then Opacity election means you cannot see. Giuliani wins.
你是谁,我为啥要care你认为我清白不清白? 你可以让Biden跟几千万人说同样的话去,就是嘴皮子一动的事情。
Giuliani是不是年度最贵群演?
你也可以这样教育你家小孩,输了没关系,可以一直要求重来,直到赢了为止
几千万人的数据哪里来的,有做过几亿人的survey吗?还是嘴一张就开始造谣?
那你这个律师比朱利安妮懂得多啊
朱市长一天charge 川普 2万美元的诉讼代理业务。 这个价格,律师界的都知道。当然,朱市长可以说,部分收入是弥补我丢人现眼的损失。
脑残川粉,丢人显眼
所以精神胜利法是川粉目前唯一的解脱方法
大多数选了拜登的为什么要care一个loser满口谎言?床粉造谣才是动嘴皮子的事儿。造谣一张嘴,辟谣跑断腿,有点脑子的人都懒的理你们这种撒泼打滚。
川粉继续捐啊
瞧着真金白银,他还要啥脸面
拦都拦不住的对号入座啊
2万一天,一年356天,就700万/年,被你说得好像朱跟你们一样没见过钱么。能不把2万一天说的那么香么?
很多选了川普的也相信这次选举是公正的,不依不饶的也只是部份狂热川粉
我觉得他该捞着么多,因为等他们家大白反应过来,就该fire他这个律师小白了。
我最后一次回复这个帖子。不是为了说服任何人,是希望潜水的人能看到一个比较中立客观的解释。
讲不过对方就攻击对方的公信力和人格,并不能证明对方的论点是错的。我看到一些人觉得川普能够翻盘的想法很大程度是基于对朱利安尼的名声和经验的期望。我一直是很欣赏朱利安尼的,特别是他作为纽约市长的成就。但这不代表他前天在法庭上犯的错误就不存在了,也不证明我比他懂得多。
纯粹为这个被点赞团强推的无知荒诞回复感慨一下 哈哈 嗯梦想独裁的小丑就这样 你们必须得选我 否则就耍赖不认账就地打滚 还有千万粉丝在旁边喝彩 全然不知全世界都在看笑话,灯塔国都可以这样的?
对对,潜水的会觉得你特别客观公正
同为法律工作者比较为你汗颜。 如果逻辑这一课没有学好,建议重新复习。 你提出我第二点有问题的逻辑,请参见 Argumentum ad Hominem Composition
朱律师毕业好多年,啥也不记得了。再说整天和trump泡一起,词语都儿童化了,正经的专业词汇全丢还给体育老师了。
你这才叫谣言的典型。
你这些说法,全部源自Josh Billinson的一个推,然后左媒全面跟进。
Fact-checking网站snopes说“Snopes asked the court for transcripts of the oral arguments that took place on Nov. 17, but we did not receive any response. ”
也就是说,左媒根据一个推,就大肆报道所谓的朱利安尼连基本法律常识都没有。
原文里他说的是normal one,也就是说,他不知道(不记得)是哪个,他没有说normal scrutiny这个词哎。 然后你洋洋洒洒列了那么多条为他洗白,为啥呢?