"America's poor want jobs, not welfare or patronising socialism." Q These are the people who believed themselves to be not just "forgotten" but despised. To fail to see this was the unforgivable error not only of the Democrats and their camp followers in the media but of most of the Republican Party too. 这些人相信自己不仅被“遗忘”，而且被鄙视。 未能看到这一点不仅是民主党及其媒体上的阵营追随者，而且也是大多数共和党的不可原谅的错误。 https://www.afr.com/world/north-america/the-left-can-t-ignore-the-help-that-it-gave-donald-trump-20201109-p56ct5 That is what Trump stood for. To the surprise of the liberal establishment, huge numbers of black and Latino voters were attracted to this message because, like most Americans, they did not want to see themselves as permanent victims or losers. What they wanted was a chance to succeed. 这就是特朗普所代表的。 令自由主义制度感到惊讶的是，这一消息吸引了大批黑人和拉美裔选民，因为像大多数美国人一样，他们不想将自己视为永久的受害者或失败者。 他们想要的是一个成功的机会。 Over the coming months, senior Republicans and Democrats are going to have to find a way to talk to the Trump constituency without insulting them. If they don't, then it will just be a matter of time before another ranting populist lures them away. And the next one might be less obviously absurd. 在接下来的几个月中，高级共和党人和民主党人将不得不寻找一种与特朗普选区对话的方式，而不会侮辱他们。 如果他们不这样做，那么另一个愤怒的民粹主义者引诱他们离开只是时间问题。 下一个显然不那么荒谬。 The Telegraph London Janet Daley Contributor UQ
"America's poor want jobs, not welfare or patronising socialism." Q These are the people who believed themselves to be not just "forgotten" but despised. To fail to see this was the unforgivable error not only of the Democrats and their camp followers in the media but of most of the Republican Party too. 这些人相信自己不仅被“遗忘”，而且被鄙视。 未能看到这一点不仅是民主党及其媒体上的阵营追随者，而且也是大多数共和党的不可原谅的错误。 https://www.afr.com/world/north-america/the-left-can-t-ignore-the-help-that-it-gave-donald-trump-20201109-p56ct5 That is what Trump stood for. To the surprise of the liberal establishment, huge numbers of black and Latino voters were attracted to this message because, like most Americans, they did not want to see themselves as permanent victims or losers. What they wanted was a chance to succeed. 这就是特朗普所代表的。 令自由主义制度感到惊讶的是，这一消息吸引了大批黑人和拉美裔选民，因为像大多数美国人一样，他们不想将自己视为永久的受害者或失败者。 他们想要的是一个成功的机会。 Over the coming months, senior Republicans and Democrats are going to have to find a way to talk to the Trump constituency without insulting them. If they don't, then it will just be a matter of time before another ranting populist lures them away. And the next one might be less obviously absurd. 在接下来的几个月中，高级共和党人和民主党人将不得不寻找一种与特朗普选区对话的方式，而不会侮辱他们。 如果他们不这样做，那么另一个愤怒的民粹主义者引诱他们离开只是时间问题。 下一个显然不那么荒谬。 The Telegraph London Janet Daley Contributor UQ EvenOdd 发表于 2020-11-08 23:27
Like like the UK/CA/AU political/social model similarly performs better than the US so far. Young countries like Singapore and China can progress well within just last 50 years. Perhaps the US does need a real transformation by today, not by tomorrow! 就像英国/加拿大/非盟的政治/社会模式迄今为止相比，美国表现要好。 在最近的50年中，像新加坡和中国这样的年轻国家可以取得良好的发展。 也许美国确实需要在今天而不是明天之前进行真正的转型！ Q https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/trump-trade-war-has-failed-to-boost-u-s-manufacturing.351783/page-3 Bottom Line: Let's concentrate on getting back on our feet first. It's unacceptable that cities in America declare bankruptcy and with no infrastructure. It's unacceptable that people who used to be middle class now can only afford to live in their vans in Walmart's parking lots. Young people who make six-figure income choose to live in their trucks and take shower in YMCA. It's unacceptable that we pay so high of school taxes and yet we still have to pay more to send kids to private schools or even homeschool them when it's time for them to learn. It's unacceptable that people can't even afford the medical treatments that they need to feel better. Start to solve these problems first. These people are human too and they also should have the human rights of decent living, to be free of economic hardship. And then think about changing the world, making other societies "free". And you never know, maybe without us doing anything, other societies might become freer than ours. 底线：让我们先集中精力重新站起来。 美国城市宣布破产且没有基础设施是不可接受的。 过去曾经是中产阶级的人们现在只能负担住在沃尔玛停车场的货车上，这是不可接受的。 年收入六位数的年轻人选择住在卡车上，在基督教青年会洗个澡。 我们缴纳如此高的学校税是不可接受的，但是当他们需要学习时，我们仍然必须付出更多的钱才能将孩子送到私立学校甚至是在家上学。 人们甚至无法负担自己需要感觉更好的医疗服务，这是无法接受的。 首先开始解决这些问题。 这些人也是人类，他们还应享有体面生活的人权，摆脱经济困难。 然后考虑改变世界，让其他社会“自由”。 而且你永远不会知道，也许如果我们不做任何事情，其他社会可能会变得比我们更自由。 UQ
Perhaps there should be a nonpartisan think tank to design a national multifaceted model after consulting and coordinating two major parties. 在咨询和协调两个主要政党之后，也许应该有一个无党派的智囊团来设计一个国家多方面的模型。 Progress and performance then can be reviewed accordingly, and commented by voters periodically. 然后可以对进度和绩效进行相应的审查，并由选民定期进行评论。 The major parties are required to provide their different approaches during election. 要求主要政党在选举期间提供不同的方法。 The process of discuss and finalise a policy goal should be handled by this think tank that consists qualified professionals and practitioners. 由合格的专业人员和从业人员组成的智囊团应负责讨论和最终确定政策目标的过程。 Probably the current model to manage a big nation with huge spending budget, being decided by politicians that are elected by general voters, could be potentially problematic. 由一般选民选出的政客决定，目前管理庞大支出预算的大国的当前模式,可能存在问题。
+1 Exactly! I''ve been thinking for some time about exactly the same positive achievement by Trump for the US! 究竟！ 我一直在思考特朗普为美国取得的完全相同的积极成就！ It seems both cars the US and China raced too fast for many years, beyond control rationally! 看来美国和中国的赛车多年来都跑得太快了，无法合理控制！ Perhaps moderation would be better, just like EU! 也许像欧盟一样，节制会更好！
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These are the people who believed themselves to be not just "forgotten" but despised. To fail to see this was the unforgivable error not only of the Democrats and their camp followers in the media but of most of the Republican Party too. 这些人相信自己不仅被“遗忘”，而且被鄙视。 未能看到这一点不仅是民主党及其媒体上的阵营追随者，而且也是大多数共和党的不可原谅的错误。
https://www.afr.com/world/north-america/the-left-can-t-ignore-the-help-that-it-gave-donald-trump-20201109-p56ct5
That is what Trump stood for. To the surprise of the liberal establishment, huge numbers of black and Latino voters were attracted to this message because, like most Americans, they did not want to see themselves as permanent victims or losers. What they wanted was a chance to succeed. 这就是特朗普所代表的。 令自由主义制度感到惊讶的是，这一消息吸引了大批黑人和拉美裔选民，因为像大多数美国人一样，他们不想将自己视为永久的受害者或失败者。 他们想要的是一个成功的机会。
Over the coming months, senior Republicans and Democrats are going to have to find a way to talk to the Trump constituency without insulting them. If they don't, then it will just be a matter of time before another ranting populist lures them away. And the next one might be less obviously absurd. 在接下来的几个月中，高级共和党人和民主党人将不得不寻找一种与特朗普选区对话的方式，而不会侮辱他们。 如果他们不这样做，那么另一个愤怒的民粹主义者引诱他们离开只是时间问题。 下一个显然不那么荒谬。
The Telegraph London Janet Daley Contributor UQ
福利不是更好吗 机器完成工作 人就享受好了
<刚回来还烦人家，说人家抢工作>
More details? Please explain/explore. 更多细节？ 请解释/探索。
Joe: "沒有Blue States，沒有Red States，只有United States"
business 狂加税，自己都要倒闭，哪儿给大家提供工作？
只吃福利没工作的话，很多人会得忧郁症等等，自杀的也不少。有过研究的。
Q https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/trump-trade-war-has-failed-to-boost-u-s-manufacturing.351783/page-3
Bottom Line: Let's concentrate on getting back on our feet first. It's unacceptable that cities in America declare bankruptcy and with no infrastructure. It's unacceptable that people who used to be middle class now can only afford to live in their vans in Walmart's parking lots. Young people who make six-figure income choose to live in their trucks and take shower in YMCA. It's unacceptable that we pay so high of school taxes and yet we still have to pay more to send kids to private schools or even homeschool them when it's time for them to learn. It's unacceptable that people can't even afford the medical treatments that they need to feel better. Start to solve these problems first. These people are human too and they also should have the human rights of decent living, to be free of economic hardship. And then think about changing the world, making other societies "free". And you never know, maybe without us doing anything, other societies might become freer than ours. 底线：让我们先集中精力重新站起来。 美国城市宣布破产且没有基础设施是不可接受的。 过去曾经是中产阶级的人们现在只能负担住在沃尔玛停车场的货车上，这是不可接受的。 年收入六位数的年轻人选择住在卡车上，在基督教青年会洗个澡。 我们缴纳如此高的学校税是不可接受的，但是当他们需要学习时，我们仍然必须付出更多的钱才能将孩子送到私立学校甚至是在家上学。 人们甚至无法负担自己需要感觉更好的医疗服务，这是无法接受的。 首先开始解决这些问题。 这些人也是人类，他们还应享有体面生活的人权，摆脱经济困难。 然后考虑改变世界，让其他社会“自由”。 而且你永远不会知道，也许如果我们不做任何事情，其他社会可能会变得比我们更自由。
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Progress and performance then can be reviewed accordingly, and commented by voters periodically. 然后可以对进度和绩效进行相应的审查，并由选民定期进行评论。
The major parties are required to provide their different approaches during election. 要求主要政党在选举期间提供不同的方法。
The process of discuss and finalise a policy goal should be handled by this think tank that consists qualified professionals and practitioners. 由合格的专业人员和从业人员组成的智囊团应负责讨论和最终确定政策目标的过程。
Probably the current model to manage a big nation with huge spending budget, being decided by politicians that are elected by general voters, could be potentially problematic. 由一般选民选出的政客决定，目前管理庞大支出预算的大国的当前模式,可能存在问题。
+1 Exactly!
I''ve been thinking for some time about exactly the same positive achievement by Trump for the US! 究竟！ 我一直在思考特朗普为美国取得的完全相同的积极成就！
It seems both cars the US and China raced too fast for many years, beyond control rationally! 看来美国和中国的赛车多年来都跑得太快了，无法合理控制！
Perhaps moderation would be better, just like EU! 也许像欧盟一样，节制会更好！
+1
不是的，其实很多低收入白人想做，都没人收，很多服务行业被西裔垄断了。你去看看 福耀玻璃《made in america》那个纪录片，很多白人、黑人低收入都想找工作的。