BBC报道： https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-54566978 Fukushima: Japan ''''to release contaminated water into sea'''' Japan is to release treated radioactive water from the destroyed Fukushima nuclear plant into the sea, media reports say. The release of more than a million tonnes of water, which has been filtered to reduce radioactivity, would start in 2022 at the earliest, according to Japanese media outlets including national dailies the Nikkei and the Yomiuri Shimbun. 还没最后定。这是多大的危害啊。海鲜彻底不能吃了。如果开始据说3年布满美国加拿大周围海域。
说得这么绝对的100%就是纯扯淡，"no harm ever"？有什么机构做过50年跟踪1百万人，而且还要把健康状况的所有其他原因都排除？根本就是impossible，所以这种说法就是自证bullshit 贴一个在美国的悲惨辐射故事，对政府或公司鼓吹的什么“绝对没问题”都不要盲目相信 The Forgotten Story Of The Radium Girls, Whose Deaths Saved Thousands Of Workers'''' Lives https://www.buzzfeed.com/authorkatemoore/the-light-that-does-not-lie
I don''t know anything at all other than the news. Perhaps not a simple issue. Why act until today? It could also affect Australia? Perhaps people should try a simulation first with other liquid. 除了新闻，我什么都不知道。 也许不是一个简单的问题。 为什么要行动到今天？它也可能影响澳大利亚? 也许人们应该首先尝试使用其他液体进行模拟。 Q http://www.coastalwiki.org/wiki/Ocean_circulationFig. 1. Ocean surface currents [2] UQ
I don''t know anything at all other than the news. Perhaps not a simple issue. Why act until today? It could also affect Australia? Perhaps people should try a simulation first with other liquid. 除了新闻，我什么都不知道。 也许不是一个简单的问题。 为什么要行动到今天？它也可能影响澳大利亚? 也许人们应该首先尝试使用其他液体进行模拟。 Q http://www.coastalwiki.org/wiki/Ocean_circulationFig. 1. Ocean surface currents [2] UQ EvenOdd 发表于 2020-10-18 08:49
<它也可能影响澳大利亚? 也许人们应该首先尝试使用其他液体进行模拟。> Actually, same kind of simulation should have done few years ago, therefore we can see a meaningful report nowadays. 实际上，几年前就应该进行相同的模拟，因此，我们今天可以看到有意义的报告。
Perhaps one possibility would be using the polluted water to mix with cement to make concrete blocks before dumping each of the blocks into a old mining field. 可能的一种可能性是，在将每个砌块倾倒到旧的采矿场之前，将污水与水泥混合制成混凝土砌块。 Super Pit view from the ground https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-09-28/super-pit-view-from-the-ground/8993150?
Japan is to release treated radioactive water from the destroyed Fukushima nuclear plant into the sea, media reports say. The release of more than a million tonnes of water, which has been filtered to reduce radioactivity, would start in 2022 at the earliest, according to Japanese media outlets including national dailies the Nikkei and the Yomiuri Shimbun.
Japan is to release treated radioactive water from the destroyed Fukushima nuclear plant into the sea, media reports say. The release of more than a million tonnes of water, which has been filtered to reduce radioactivity, would start in 2022 at the earliest, according to Japanese media outlets including national dailies the Nikkei and the Yomiuri Shimbun.
Japan is to release treated radioactive water from the destroyed Fukushima nuclear plant into the sea, media reports say. The release of more than a million tonnes of water, which has been filtered to reduce radioactivity, would start in 2022 at the earliest, according to Japanese media outlets including national dailies the Nikkei and the Yomiuri Shimbun.
楼主，你题目里没有写关键词，误导了一堆不好好看内容的人
. hkmty 发表于 2020-10-18 10:10
但2018年9月该公司承认，用于处理含有核污水的1,000个储水罐，未能将放射性物质去除至低于法定标准值，其中包括锶-90这种剧毒放射物也超标。。。。 楼主内容里写了，东电一直认为可以filter to reduce，但事实没有成功。reduce 是reduce 了，但依然超标
Perhaps "Treated" watse from the #1 post means only "Diluted" watse? Q Radiation levels in the sea off Fukushima were millions of times higher than the government's limit of 100 becquerels. And still today, radioactive substances can be detected off the coast of Japan and in other parts of the Pacific. They've even been measured in very small quantities off the US west coast in concentrations "well below the harmful levels set by the World Health Organization," according to Vincent Rossi, an oceanographer at France's Mediterranean Institute of Oceanography (MIO). https://www.dw.com/en/fukushima-how-the-ocean-became-a-dumping-ground-for-radioactive-waste/a-52710277# Nuclear waste barrels dumped in the sea decades ago, a common practice in the Channel between France and England in the 1960s, are now rusty and are leaking radioactive substances UQ
Japan is to release treated radioactive water from the destroyed Fukushima nuclear plant into the sea, media reports say. The release of more than a million tonnes of water, which has been filtered to reduce radioactivity, would start in 2022 at the earliest, according to Japanese media outlets including national dailies the Nikkei and the Yomiuri Shimbun.
水已经处理过了 不要被楼主误导，自己好好看看内容
. hkmty 发表于 2020-10-18 10:14
处理到什么程度了？有标准么 氚这种半衰期12年+的是怎么处理的？ reduce radioactivity, to what extent?
BBC报道： https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-54566978 Fukushima: Japan ''''to release contaminated water into sea'''' Japan is to release treated radioactive water from the destroyed Fukushima nuclear plant into the sea, media reports say. The release of more than a million tonnes of water, which has been filtered to reduce radioactivity, would start in 2022 at the earliest, according to Japanese media outlets including national dailies the Nikkei and the Yomiuri Shimbun. 还没最后定。这是多大的危害啊。海鲜彻底不能吃了。如果开始据说3年布满美国加拿大周围海域。
According to the figures and photos, it seems there has been a miscalculation for the ongoing development that cannot be solved technically and economically. Too bad indeed! 根据这些数字和照片，似乎对正在进行的开发存在错误的估算，这在技术上和经济上都无法解决。 确实太糟糕了！ Why don't they simply put enough cement powder into each storage tank before cover all the tanks with protective bowls? 他们为什么不简单地在每个储罐中放入足够的水泥粉，然后再用保护碗覆盖所有储罐？
Japan is to release treated radioactive water from the destroyed Fukushima nuclear plant into the sea, media reports say. The release of more than a million tonnes of water, which has been filtered to reduce radioactivity, would start in 2022 at the earliest, according to Japanese media outlets including national dailies the Nikkei and the Yomiuri Shimbun.
Fukushima: Japan ''''to release contaminated water into sea'''' Japan is to release treated radioactive water from the destroyed Fukushima nuclear plant into the sea, media reports say. The release of more than a million tonnes of water, which has been filtered to reduce radioactivity, would start in 2022 at the earliest, according to Japanese media outlets including national dailies the Nikkei and the Yomiuri Shimbun.
还没最后定。这是多大的危害啊。海鲜彻底不能吃了。如果开始据说3年布满美国加拿大周围海域。
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说得这么绝对的100%就是纯扯淡，"no harm ever"？有什么机构做过50年跟踪1百万人，而且还要把健康状况的所有其他原因都排除？根本就是impossible，所以这种说法就是自证bullshit
贴一个在美国的悲惨辐射故事，对政府或公司鼓吹的什么“绝对没问题”都不要盲目相信
The Forgotten Story Of The Radium Girls, Whose Deaths Saved Thousands Of Workers'''' Lives
https://www.buzzfeed.com/authorkatemoore/the-light-that-does-not-lie
怎么说呢，当然不会一排到海里鱼虾就挂了，人吃了海鲜立刻就生病。很多东西怕的是累积，量到了一定的程度就会出问题，排放的水里面又不仅仅是tritium，也有别的反射性微量元素，人类真正又了解多少呢？氮磷钾排放多了还会富营养化造成环境和渔业损失呢。环境问题真的不是这么单一简单的，要敬畏自然。
是啊。核工业，克隆。。。 总说核工业安全，那是在保障安全措施的前提下，“保障安全措施”本身就是假设。一旦出事没有解决办法, 这风险太大了，各国趋之若鹜本质不是为了民用为了军备竞赛有话语权吧。
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Q http://www.coastalwiki.org/wiki/Ocean_circulation
<它也可能影响澳大利亚? 也许人们应该首先尝试使用其他液体进行模拟。>
Actually, same kind of simulation should have done few years ago, therefore we can see a meaningful report nowadays. 实际上，几年前就应该进行相同的模拟，因此，我们今天可以看到有意义的报告。
Radioactivity in the Ocean: Diluted, But Far from Harmless ... e360.yale.edu › features › radioactivity_in_the_ocean_...
Apr 7, 2011 — Still, the world has never quite seen an event like the one unfolding now off the coast of eastern Japan, in which thousands of tons of radioactively contaminated water from the damaged Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant are pouring directly into the ocean. ...
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PDF about the potential impact of deep sea disposal of radioactive waste. Shown here ... So far, samples of sea water, sedi- ments ... dilution sink ensuring low concentration rates in the marine ... and impact on the sea floor and to minimize, to the. by DP Calmet · 1989 · Cited by 29 ·
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搬点中文的易读版 转： 我发现不少人还不知道，福岛核泄漏问题
其实到现在都没解决。
2011年3月，日本北部发生9.0级地震，海啸紧接而来。
随后福岛核电站发生灾难性核泄漏。
过了近一个月，眼看事情压不住了。
日本当局才肯承认福岛核电站真的出现了严重的事故，只因他们不愿意舍弃斥巨资的反应堆。
等下决定时，已经出现了大面积的泄露，核污染开始了。
为了冷却沸腾的核燃料，防止堆芯熔化，
东电只能不断地向反应堆
注入海水冷却。
这些往反应堆里注入的海水，受到反应堆的污染，就成了
含高浓度辐射物的核废水。
这9年来，日本每天需要向反应堆注入150吨冷却水。
也就是说，每天会产生150吨核废水。
这些泡过融化堆芯的海水，可能是世界上辐射最强的液体。。。。
因其含有大剂量碘-131、铯-134和铯-137等放射性物质，
东电只能将这些辐射水储存在一个个水箱里，然后再研究长期对策。
东京电力公司2013年起，一直声称有技术能将放射性物质含量降至
“低于容许排放的水平”。
但2018年9月该公司承认，用于处理含有核污水的1,000个储水罐，未能将放射性物质去除至低于法定标准值，其中包括锶-90这种剧毒放射物也超标。。。。
距今为止，储水罐里的核废水，大概已经有了惊人的110万吨，
而且还在继续以每天170吨的速度增加。。。
预计到2022年，也就是明年，
核电厂废水储存设施
将达到极限。
而且据说最早的一批罐子已经开始锈蚀，
个别的还出现漏水的情况，造成土壤等二次污染。
日本必须想办法尽快处理掉这些核污染废水。。。
所以，日本计划，从现在开始，
向海洋释放掉这些核废水……
按照日本政府的说法，
“别无选择，只能把（福岛）污水排入大海，使污水稀释。”
然而，如果福岛核泄漏的问题一直不解决，
这意味着每8年日本就要排放100多万吨核废水入海！
到时候我们的海洋将是什么样子？
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福岛核泄漏事件的后果，只能由全世界一起买单！
顶级海洋科学研究机构——德国GEOMAR Helmholtz Centre曾对核废水的扩散情形进行计算机模拟演练。
蓝色为轻微辐射，红色为高剂量辐射。↓↓↓
结果显示，57天后，辐射已经扩散一大半，
半年后高剂量辐射大面积扩散，
只需3年，美国和加拿大被污染，
十年后整个太平洋都被污染。
日本会让别国了解他们装置细节吗。美国跟他们关系好也不会施压。
中国比美国西岸还能好一点，污水会先向北然后依顺时针方向跨越太平洋到达西海岸
Super Pit view from the ground https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-09-28/super-pit-view-from-the-ground/8993150?
东海岸是不是好些
洋流不是这么走的
Not, not 2025!
Perhaps 2023!
中国人吃的盐不是海盐，急啥
？？？
东海岸能好一点，但归根结底全球洋流都是相通的，只是时间早晚的区别，这是全人类的灾难。日本可能觉得稀释了就好，但很多元素本来就只需要一点点就能有很强的破坏性，而且半衰期那么长。。。
科学工作者已经担忧了很多年了，一般民众因为对自己的生活没有产生明显直接的影响所以并不在意。也许人类以后会因此有更多的慢性病。
听着跟土共真是挺像的。这难道是亚洲文化的原因吗？
连加州产的葡萄酒里都测出来成百上千倍的放测性元素了，只不过大家还不知道直接后果会有多严重
对啊 什么叫别无选择 我愿意捐钱给它买储水罐 晚一天排放就多一分净化污水的希望
2011年泄漏的时候，我还在做这个research，后来放弃了。
楼主，你题目里没有写关键词，误导了一堆不好好看内容的人
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我对此表示强烈悲观，尤其在经历疫情之后后。smart peopke只能研究研究而己，连人们戴不戴口罩都管不住，更管不了一伙子人或者一个国家要抽什么疯了。
水已经处理过了
不要被楼主误导，自己好好看看内容
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Smart people are just people too. 他们也是受到各种政治金钱压力影响的。不要太相信 Smart people。They may know the truth. But they don't necessarily say the truth.
但2018年9月该公司承认，用于处理含有核污水的1,000个储水罐，未能将放射性物质去除至低于法定标准值，其中包括锶-90这种剧毒放射物也超标。。。。 楼主内容里写了，东电一直认为可以filter to reduce，但事实没有成功。reduce 是reduce 了，但依然超标
no 日本从最开始就说有能力处理，事实是到今天也远没有处理到可以安全排放的标准。
楼主文章里写绝大部分核污已被移除了
会英文的话自己读一读楼主引用的文章好吗？
不解释了 有些东西靠自己理解
Perhaps "Treated" watse from the #1 post means only "Diluted" watse?
Q Radiation levels in the sea off Fukushima were millions of times higher than the government's limit of 100 becquerels. And still today, radioactive substances can be detected off the coast of Japan and in other parts of the Pacific. They've even been measured in very small quantities off the US west coast in concentrations "well below the harmful levels set by the World Health Organization," according to Vincent Rossi, an oceanographer at France's Mediterranean Institute of Oceanography (MIO).
https://www.dw.com/en/fukushima-how-the-ocean-became-a-dumping-ground-for-radioactive-waste/a-52710277#
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有点科学精神好吧？这个东西有严格的国际标准，不是大部分差不多就可以了。 打个难听的比方，一堆屎把绝大部份屎分子都处理干净了，看上去透明无害，但是大肠杆菌没有办法去除，严重超标，敢给人喝吗？ 日本＂处理过＂的核废水里氚无法去除，锶也超标。而且韩国报道这几年日本一直偷偷排放。一旦他决定公开倾倒，谁去检测？谁去监督？他最后不处理或者凑合处理一下就倒了谁制止它？
除了会英文，还需要会科学。
处理到什么程度了？有标准么 氚这种半衰期12年+的是怎么处理的？ reduce radioactivity, to what extent?
Pressure to dump nuclear waste in Australia will persist: ... atmosphere when burning coal, policy makers today know exactly the risks of storing nuclear waste. UQ
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Recycling nuclear waste – a lucrative business | Made in ... - DW www.dw.com › recycling-nuclear-waste-a-lucrative-busin...
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I saw a documentary video showing an above-ground bowl was built to cover the nuclear plant. 我看到一个纪录片，显示一个地上的碗是用来盖住核电站的。
要让地球人都变超人啊
肯定的，西海岸首当其冲
那现在科技公司允许永久WFH也是未雨绸缪啊
Why don't they simply put enough cement powder into each storage tank before cover all the tanks with protective bowls? 他们为什么不简单地在每个储罐中放入足够的水泥粉，然后再用保护碗覆盖所有储罐？
不是西方喜欢日本，而是日本从明治维新开始就脱亚入欧，是西方的一员，西方阵营三大（美国欧盟日本）四小（加拿大澳大利亚新西兰以色列）都是互相罩着的。
很简单，日本自己承担核污染包括本国土壤污染和经济负担，还是放进海里全世界共享。你要是日本也会这么做。西方国家不管，没有国家有能力管，所以环保这个词成了笑话。
民主国家怎么能叫屁民呢。
只是经济共同体吧，亚洲国家里日本最受西方认可是真的，但是从新冠报道看，西方没有把日本算自己人。核污染这事，西方不伸援手，日本不愿意付出代价局限在自己土地上，只有地球受祸害，大国们才心理平衡吧。
https://www.forbes.com/sites/nishandegnarain/2020/10/18/japan-to-release-radioactive-fukishima-water-into-ocean/#27a3931b4329 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-japan-disaster-water/japan-to-release-fukushimas-contaminated-water-into-sea-reports-idUSKBN27037O https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-54566978
嗯，这几个国家准确说应该是美国眼里的西方阵营，好比韩国也亲美亲上天，但是基本没有受到美国认可。日本和以色列就是美国在亚太和中东扶植的亲信来巩固其全球势力。话说回来日本在联合国花了大力气lobbying，是为了降低环境海洋污染排放的标准，当初拿奥斯卡的The Cove那部纪录片叫停的商业捕鲸19年日本也退出协定不顾国际舆论压力重新开始猎杀鲸鱼了。说到底，强权的本质都是流氓。
7楼里中文内容说的是处理过的水也不能把放射性物质降到低于法规标准。就是还有危险吧。
有链接吗？有点可怕
如果只是倒现有的污水也就罢了，总有个限度。但问题是他们还在源源不断的产生污染的海水，每年都要排放的话，风险就没头了。 只要制冷问题不能解决，大家都长期受影响。
囤个鬼，难道不是想办法阻止吗。